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Phinfan31
02-05-2013, 03:25 AM
http://www.nfl.com/seasoninmoments#12904-23

One of the highlights of the 2013 season. To top it off, it happened against the Patriots! :lol:

Remember that when you get pessimistic about our offense, and remember we have Ryan Tannehill with a year under his belt!

nyjunc
02-05-2013, 09:45 AM
Remember that QB has more playoff wins under his belt than the Miami franchise from 1995-2012

petefins
02-05-2013, 09:54 AM
Remember that QB has more playoff wins under his belt than the Miami franchise from 1995-2012

Why are you on this forum?

nyjunc
02-05-2013, 09:56 AM
Why are you on this forum?

who are you?

Chubby
02-05-2013, 10:05 AM
Remember that QB has more playoff wins under his belt than the Miami franchise from 1995-2012
Ya but Karma is a bitch, there is a reason they (NE) havent won diddly since getting caught cheating.

nyjunc
02-05-2013, 10:06 AM
Ya but Karma is a bitch, there is a reason they (NE) havent won diddly since getting caught cheating.

they have still been to 2 SBs, i'd take that. I just look forward to the post Brady era in NE.

Chubby
02-05-2013, 10:07 AM
they have still been to 2 SBs, i'd take that. I just look forward to the post Brady era in NE. I also look forward to the post Billicheat era. I hate him cause he is so good.
Chubbs

nyjunc
02-05-2013, 10:10 AM
Miami had their dynasty in the 70s(into the 80s), Buf in the 90s, NE in the 00s- when is it our turn to dominate the division for a decade?

silverfin
02-05-2013, 10:16 AM
Remember that QB has more playoff wins under his belt than the Miami franchise from 1995-2012

He also has one more butt fumble than any Miami Dolphins QB in history.

nyjunc
02-05-2013, 10:17 AM
He also has one more butt fumble than any Miami Dolphins QB in history.

I'll take that w/ the good times.

Daytona Fin
02-05-2013, 10:20 AM
Miami had their dynasty in the 70s(into the 80s), Buf in the 90s, NE in the 00s- when is it our turn to dominate the division for a decade?

When you get a real coach and a real qb.

silverfin
02-05-2013, 10:21 AM
I'll take that w/ the good times.

I wouldn't call losing two games before the big one 'good times'. How many people on this forum could name the teams that lost the NFC title games the years the Jets lost the AFC title games? I know I can't. Nobody remembers losers.

nyjunc
02-05-2013, 10:38 AM
I wouldn't call losing two games before the big one 'good times'. How many people on this forum could name the teams that lost the NFC title games the years the Jets lost the AFC title games? I know I can't. Nobody remembers losers.

I sure had fun and I look forward to more in the future. You would think phin fans who haven't seen a playoff win since 2000 and a title game app since 1992 would be happy to have the success the jets have had but i guess you are content w/ never contending.


as far as title game participants, I have been following this game since 1981 and I can name every title game loser since then.

'81: SD, Dal
'82: NYJ, Dal
'83: Sea, SF
'84: Pitt, Chi
'85: Mia, LA Rams
'86: Cle, Wash
'87: Cle, Min
'88: Buf, Chi
'89: Cle, LA Rams
'90: LA Raiders, SF
'91: Den, Det
'92: Mia, SF
'93: KC, SF
'94: Pitt, Dal
'95: Ind, GB
'96: Jax, Car
'97: Pitt, SF
'98: NYJ, Min
'99: Jax, TB
'00: Oak, Min
'01: Pitt, Phi
'02: Ten, Phi
'03: Ind, Phi
'04: Pitt, Atl
'05: Den, Car
'06: NE, NO
'07: GB, SD
'08: Bal, Phi
'09: NYJ, Min
'10: NYJ, Chi
'11: Bal, SF
'12: NE, Atl

traptses
02-05-2013, 11:07 AM
Yeah. The good times. Like getting ALL the way to the AFC championship, just to watch the Super Bowl, sitting on the couch next to the Dolphins

Vaark
02-05-2013, 11:19 AM
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2013/02/11buqgl-1.jpg

BahamaFinFan78
02-05-2013, 12:03 PM
I remember a time during the 90's when we were in the playoffs every year. The cry of the fans were that being good, but no great stinks. Getting to the playoffs without winning the Super Bowl over and over again sucks.

4th And Drunk
02-05-2013, 12:05 PM
It really is a thing of beauty. Arguably the greatest blooper in the history of sports and what Mr. Sanchez will ultimately be remembered for. Embrace your legacy Sanchez, you earned it.

nyjunc
02-05-2013, 12:07 PM
I remember a time during the 90's when we were in the playoffs every year. The cry of the fans were that being good, but no great stinks. Getting to the playoffs without winning the Super Bowl over and over again sucks.

I bet those same fans wish they could make the playoffs consistently again. Once you are in almost any team can win, 9-7 and 10-6 teams have won the last 3 SBs and all 3 have played during WC weekend. If you don't get in you don't have a chance.

Harry_Bagpipe
02-05-2013, 12:09 PM
the great thing is that, god willing, he'll be their starting qb again next year. No matter how the phins do, at least ill be able to laugh at watching the worst starting qb in the league each week. at least until his inevitable benching

PhinzN703
02-05-2013, 12:18 PM
Remember that QB has more playoff wins under his belt than the Miami franchise from 1995-2012

I had almost forgotten that. Thank you for the reminder. He and them also have the same amount of Super Bowl appearances and wins in 40+ years. Yay.

Fintastic2124
02-05-2013, 12:42 PM
I bet those same fans wish they could make the playoffs consistently again. Once you are in almost any team can win, 9-7 and 10-6 teams have won the last 3 SBs and all 3 have played during WC weekend. If you don't get in you don't have a chance.

dont you have enough defending to do on TGG?

Bingit
02-05-2013, 12:54 PM
Remember that QB has more playoff wins under his belt than the Miami franchise from 1995-2012



why you must you always take a shot? just enjoy the fact that you have ahd Brady and this great run.

^ Just change "Brady and this great run" to Sanchez and his buttfumble. LoL!!!

Good luck with that!

Ben Had
02-05-2013, 02:51 PM
dont you have enough defending to do on TGG?

It's been pretty enjoyable watching him get his azz handed to him steadly today over there. He still beleves he's a super fan and everyone else doesnt know what they are watching:lol:

nyjunc
02-05-2013, 03:04 PM
It's nice to have fans

jared81
02-05-2013, 04:51 PM
I sure had fun and I look forward to more in the future. You would think phin fans who haven't seen a playoff win since 2000 and a title game app since 1992 would be happy to have the success the jets have had but i guess you are content w/ never contending.


as far as title game participants, I have been following this game since 1981 and I can name every title game loser since then.

'81: SD, Dal
'82: NYJ, Dal
'83: Sea, SF
'84: Pitt, Chi
'85: Mia, LA Rams
'86: Cle, Wash
'87: Cle, Min
'88: Buf, Chi
'89: Cle, LA Rams
'90: LA Raiders, SF
'91: Den, Det
'92: Mia, SF
'93: KC, SF
'94: Pitt, Dal
'95: Ind, GB
'96: Jax, Car
'97: Pitt, SF
'98: NYJ, Min
'99: Jax, TB
'00: Oak, Min
'01: Pitt, Phi
'02: Ten, Phi
'03: Ind, Phi
'04: Pitt, Atl
'05: Den, Car
'06: NE, NO
'07: GB, SD
'08: Bal, Phi
'09: NYJ, Min
'10: NYJ, Chi
'11: Bal, SF
'12: NE, Atl

only a true loser would know this. face it, in the history of the afc east, you are the 4th best team. you hate the patriots so much because before they were good, you two were argueably the two worst teams. now it is clear who's worse.

nyjunc
02-05-2013, 04:58 PM
only a true loser would know this. face it, in the history of the afc east, you are the 4th best team. you hate the patriots so much because before they were good, you two were argueably the two worst teams. now it is clear who's worse.

A true football fan you mean.

I respect the Pats, I don't live in the 70s and 80s when Miami was relevant. Miami and Buf have been the bottom feeders for a long time now but fire up that Delorean and head back to the 70s to make yourself feel better.

jared81
02-05-2013, 05:07 PM
A true football fan you mean.

I respect the Pats, I don't live in the 70s and 80s when Miami was relevant. Miami and Buf have been the bottom feeders for a long time now but fire up that Delorean and head back to the 70s to make yourself feel better.

look at the standings buddy. the jest are a bottom feeder.

nyjunc
02-05-2013, 05:09 PM
look at the standings buddy. the jest are a bottom feeder.

is the fan of a team that has made 1 playoff app since 2002 and 1 playoff win since 2000 talking trash?

AquaInferno
02-05-2013, 05:12 PM
I sure had fun and I look forward to more in the future. You would think phin fans who haven't seen a playoff win since 2000 and a title game app since 1992 would be happy to have the success the jets have had but i guess you are content w/ never contending.


as far as title game participants, I have been following this game since 1981 and I can name every title game loser since then.

'81: SD, Dal
'82: NYJ, Dal
'83: Sea, SF
'84: Pitt, Chi
'85: Mia, LA Rams
'86: Cle, Wash
'87: Cle, Min
'88: Buf, Chi
'89: Cle, LA Rams
'90: LA Raiders, SF
'91: Den, Det
'92: Mia, SF
'93: KC, SF
'94: Pitt, Dal
'95: Ind, GB
'96: Jax, Car
'97: Pitt, SF
'98: NYJ, Min
'99: Jax, TB
'00: Oak, Min
'01: Pitt, Phi
'02: Ten, Phi
'03: Ind, Phi
'04: Pitt, Atl
'05: Den, Car
'06: NE, NO
'07: GB, SD
'08: Bal, Phi
'09: NYJ, Min
'10: NYJ, Chi
'11: Bal, SF
'12: NE, Atl

God bless the Internet

nyjunc
02-05-2013, 05:26 PM
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God bless the Internet

Actually the internet has hurt my memory b/c it's so easy to look things up now but I didn't look this up.

jared81
02-05-2013, 05:35 PM
is the fan of a team that has made 1 playoff app since 2002 and 1 playoff win since 2000 talking trash?

its not trash talking if its true. bottom feeder.

nyjunc
02-05-2013, 05:39 PM
its not trash talking if its true. bottom feeder.

ONE playoff app since 2002
ONE playoff win since 2000

THAT is a bottom feeder, you are just lucky somehow Buffalo was worse w/ zero and zero.

Bingit
02-05-2013, 05:41 PM
is the fan of a team that has made 1 playoff app since 2002 and 1 playoff win since 2000 talking trash?

Why not? They have both have the same thing to show over that time period which is 1 division title. There is no time like the present though and the Jets are on the bottom. That doesn't look like it will be changing for a while.

nyjunc
02-05-2013, 06:14 PM
Why not? They have both have the same thing to show over that time period which is 1 division title. There is no time like the present though and the Jets are on the bottom. That doesn't look like it will be changing for a while.

we won ours in a year Brady started 16 games, the only team besides the pats to do that in the Brady era.

teemu7
02-05-2013, 06:18 PM
Haha, yeah sure you know in your head every conference title game loser from the past 31 years.

You are 100% full of ****.

jared81
02-05-2013, 07:03 PM
ONE playoff app since 2002
ONE playoff win since 2000

THAT is a bottom feeder, you are just lucky somehow Buffalo was worse w/ zero and zero.

I noticed how you didn't mention division titles. If we're so terrible, how come we beat you almost every year, at least once.

Ben Had
02-05-2013, 07:28 PM
No need to argue with him over div titles...the jets have only 4:chuckle:

That's in their entire history:hi5:

4th And Drunk
02-05-2013, 08:53 PM
It's nice to have fans
'Actually the internet has hurt my memory b/c it's so easy to look things up now but I didn't look this up.you're a clown. 3 years ago or thirty years ago, it's irrelevant. You reference the past when it somehow validates an argument you are trying to make and dismiss history when it exposes the Jets. Stick to the script. History suggests the Jets a a very sad franchise, accept it, embrace it, don't attempt to spin it. Spinning it is essentially pimping yourself out for our amusement.

nyjunc
02-06-2013, 09:45 AM
Haha, yeah sure you know in your head every conference title game loser from the past 31 years.

You are 100% full of ****.

I don't care if you believe me or not.


I noticed how you didn't mention division titles. If we're so terrible, how come we beat you almost every year, at least once.

who cares if you win a div then get smoked in the WC rd?

NYJ sweeps:
2000
2001
2004
2006
2007

Mia sweeps:
2003
2009

splits:
2002
2008
2010
2011
2012


you're a clown. 3 years ago or thirty years ago, it's irrelevant. You reference the past when it somehow validates an argument you are trying to make and dismiss history when it exposes the Jets. Stick to the script. History suggests the Jets a a very sad franchise, accept it, embrace it, don't attempt to spin it. Spinning it is essentially pimping yourself out for our amusement.

come back to thsi Century please, I have never argued who has the better overall history but in recent, relevant times the 2 teams aren't close.

Vaark
02-06-2013, 10:10 AM
Not even factoring in that the jest have won 14 games out of the last 32, 10 out of the last 25, 16 out of the last 35 regular season games underscoring their downward spiral as in the NFL you're only as good as your last season or two... they have 1 legitimate winning season without outside charity over the last 4 years, absolutely no recent Divisional -nor Conference Championships ever, no SB appearances, let alone wins the the more competitive, less talent-diluted minimum 3 win postseason after-merger era.

What it boils down to is that iwhile n the past, the Fins have had meaninful relationships with 5 beauty queen knockouts, marrying two of 'em vs the jets merely dating a handful of plain spinsters .... unfortunately for both, over the more recent history, the only difference between the two is that the jest have achier blue balls. :idk:

nyjunc
02-06-2013, 10:19 AM
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2013/02/homersleep1_3-1.gif

jared81
02-06-2013, 10:53 AM
I don't care if you believe me or not.



who cares if you win a div then get smoked in the WC rd?

NYJ sweeps:
2000
2001
2004
2006
2007

Mia sweeps:
2003
2009

splits:
2002
2008
2010
2011
2012
.

Who cares if you go to the afc championship, if your going to get smoked

thank you for proving my point. In the jest "glory decade" you have only bettered us in 3 net seasons head to head out of 12 years. We have been terrible and still are within reach of the jest.

nyjunc
02-06-2013, 10:57 AM
Who cares if you go to the afc championship, if your going to get smoked

thank you for proving my point. In the jest "glory decade" you have only bettered us in 3 net seasons head to head out of 12 years. We have been terrible and still are within reach of the jest.

Getting smoked in the AFC Championship game was Miami in their last 2 trips(1985 and 1992 both at HOME), we had chances to win both in '09 & '10.

we are 16-10 against you which is basically like going 10-6 in a 16 game season while you were 6-10 so yeah we've been better head to head, better overall, MUCH better getting to and winning in postseason but you'll always have the 70s!

Vaark
02-06-2013, 12:41 PM
In 09, the Indy starters were 45-27 against the jets in approx 1.5 games. That's the equivalent of beating them 34-21 in both games 15 + the AFCCC. See how that works?

nyjunc
02-06-2013, 12:45 PM
such a petty, jealous man

Vaark
02-06-2013, 01:07 PM
such a petty, jealous man

I see you got so owned on that Itzdick Sanchez TGG thread yesterday that:
a) you asked the mods to step in
b) you're now a time share on TGG

but keep up the deflections, hypocrisies, conveniently parsed vs "fantasy" stats and babble about everyone who disagrees with your homeristic POV (at this point that includes just about everyone on 2 sites with the exception of this joker Hobbes) if doing otherwise is too injurious to your tissue-thin ego. :up:

Just don't expect anyone anywhere as a result to stop calling out the often unbelievablely delusional BS as we all encounter it. :dontknow:

nyjunc
02-06-2013, 01:21 PM
the day I get owned by one of your types is the day I stop following this game.

Stop creating multiple accounts.

Ben Had
02-06-2013, 01:29 PM
the day I get owned by one of your types is the day I stop following this game.

Stop creating multiple accounts.

I say you pretty much got you azz handed to you yesterday over on TGG. You really have a way of getting under your fellow jet fans skin over there...hopefully you werent the one pushing the mommy button that got several banned for calling you out.

Oh well...I really enjoy watching you and your friend Hobbes cause the circus to continue.

You are a master troll...keep realing em in:lol:

Vaark
02-06-2013, 01:30 PM
OMG, you really couldn't be any more clueless even if you were Rex in the middle of one of the imploding jest clubhouses. :idk:

nyjunc
02-06-2013, 01:47 PM
I say you pretty much got you azz handed to you yesterday over on TGG. You really have a way of getting under your fellow jet fans skin over there...hopefully you werent the one pushing the mommy button that got several banned for calling you out.

Oh well...I really enjoy watching you and your friend Hobbes cause the circus to continue.

You are a master troll...keep realing em in:lol:

They are our version of you guys, gnats coming at me that get swatted away.

Vaark
02-06-2013, 03:38 PM
Well, "perception is reality" It's just adorable how your "reality" is at odds with most everyone else's "reality" on 2 sites that couldn't be more at odds. Keep on keepin on.

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2013/02/2rnwh3a-1.jpg

nyjunc
02-06-2013, 03:43 PM
it is a very small percentage of posters, the bottom of the barrel on both sites,

Keep creating multiple accounts to attack me, I love that you are so consumed w/ me as sad as it is.

Vaark
02-06-2013, 03:55 PM
I know it's hard for you to believe that most everyone at this point on TGG have figured out that Sanchez has never been good and now is the worst starter in the league.. at this point, many over there have also, through the perspective of hindsight, have determined that at best the jest of a few years past was "fools gold." As to me, I have one acct here and one account on TGG where I rarely post and have never posted anything in response, reply or reaction to you, period.

Really, when it comes to being dense, the slums of Rio de Janeiro have nothing on you. :up:

nyjunc
02-06-2013, 04:00 PM
I don't care what average fans think, they are the same people who would have been bashing Flacco a month ago. Fans sway in the wind, I understand that which is why most people disagree w/ me and that's ok. If no agrees w/ me it doesn't mean I am wrong, I think for myself, I don't need espn or other "experts" to tell me how to think like the average fan does.

teemu7
02-06-2013, 07:07 PM
So you can insult people by calling them bottom of the barrel and disrespect their football opinion by calling them averge fans? Yet when anyone says anything to you you report it to the mods immediately.


Interesting.

teemu7
02-06-2013, 07:10 PM
People don't sway in the wind, they change opinion based on what hapens on the field in front of them rather than hold on to this tiny sliver of somewhat success extrapolate it out and stand by it no matter what empirical evidence is put in front of them.


And you're the one calling people average fans. The fact that this irony has not punched you in the head yet is really not surprising.

nyjunc
02-07-2013, 09:47 AM
So you can insult people by calling them bottom of the barrel and disrespect their football opinion by calling them averge fans? Yet when anyone says anything to you you report it to the mods immediately.


Interesting.

I am constantly attacked on here and I rarely report anything. The only times that I do report are when folks cross the line and it is in the best interests of the board not myself, I can take any insults you gusy throw out but others shouldn't have to be subjected to the nonsense spewed by some of you.


People don't sway in the wind, they change opinion based on what hapens on the field in front of them rather than hold on to this tiny sliver of somewhat success extrapolate it out and stand by it no matter what empirical evidence is put in front of them.


And you're the one calling people average fans. The fact that this irony has not punched you in the head yet is really not surprising.

They sway, a month ago Flacco scuked, now he's "elite". When a team wins 2 or 3 in a row they are playoff and SB bound, when they lose 2-3 in a row they suck and want the #1 draft pick. Look at the last 3 B champs, one was 9-7 the others were 10-6.

GB 3-3 their last 6 reg season games
NYG 3-5 their last 8
Bal 1-4 their last 5 games

I guarantee you if you check boards of those teams fans they were humping ship when they were struggling, sometimes players and teams struggle, sometimes they haqve bad seasons. It doesn't mean you start over by firing and trading everyone. In some situations it makes sense but most Jet fans want to fire Rex, it makes no sense.

jared81
02-07-2013, 11:14 AM
I am constantly attacked on here and I rarely report anything. The only times that I do report are when folks cross the line and it is in the best interests of the board not myself, I can take any insults you gusy throw out but others shouldn't have to be subjected to the nonsense spewed by some of you.



They sway, a month ago Flacco scuked, now he's "elite". When a team wins 2 or 3 in a row they are playoff and SB bound, when they lose 2-3 in a row they suck and want the #1 draft pick. Look at the last 3 B champs, one was 9-7 the others were 10-6.

GB 3-3 their last 6 reg season games
NYG 3-5 their last 8
Bal 1-4 their last 5 games

I guarantee you if you check boards of those teams fans they were humping ship when they were struggling, sometimes players and teams struggle, sometimes they haqve bad seasons. It doesn't mean you start over by firing and trading everyone. In some situations it makes sense but most Jet fans want to fire Rex, it makes no sense.

Who said Flaco is elite? He had a great post season, that doesn't makeup for years of inconsistent play, yet. You are confusing his agent and teammates with the rest of us.

nyjunc
02-07-2013, 12:01 PM
Who said Flaco is elite? He had a great post season, that doesn't makeup for years of inconsistent play, yet. You are confusing his agent and teammates with the rest of us.

Many people are saying it just like they did w/ Eli last year, fans and the media sway with the wind.

PhinzN703
02-07-2013, 04:13 PM
Who said Flaco is elite? He had a great post season, that doesn't makeup for years of inconsistent play, yet. You are confusing his agent and teammates with the rest of us.

Flacco being elite has been a hot topic on sports talk radio the last few days. Some are saying he is (Merrill Hoge says he's the best QB in the league), others have said he isn't yet (Sedano and crew).

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Many people are saying it just like they did w/ Eli last year, fans and the media sway with the wind.

I don't really have an opinion on whether Flacco is elite or not but since he has won playoffs games in each of his first five seasons, including the SB, I don't think it's unreasonable to discuss whether he is elite or not. It would be one thing if he had less of a track record than what he currently possesses.

nyjunc
02-07-2013, 04:30 PM
He's not elite, he did very little in postseason until his first good postseason game in 2011 at NE. he was great this postseason but this is a guy Bal won a playoff game w/ when he completed 4 passes.

He's nowhere near the elite discussion. Had a great run, deserves all the accolades for it but a 4 game run doesn't make someone elite.

PhinzN703
02-08-2013, 01:17 AM
He's not elite, he did very little in postseason until his first good postseason game in 2011 at NE. he was great this postseason but this is a guy Bal won a playoff game w/ when he completed 4 passes.

He's nowhere near the elite discussion. Had a great run, deserves all the accolades for it but a 4 game run doesn't make someone elite.

You had said the Ravens were elite though, right? If so, what makes them elite specifically?

nyjunc
02-08-2013, 09:50 AM
the fact that they are constatly competing for SBs, they may not have made and won one until this year but they are at least in the div round every year.

The New Guy
02-08-2013, 12:45 PM
the fact that they are constatly competing for SBs, they may not have made and won one until this year but they are at least in the div round every year.

As far as discussing which teams are among the best in the AFC or NFC, I would agree with that criteria. I don't like to use the word elite unless that team has won a Super Bowl. Bal making at least the division round in the last 5 seasons with 3 AFCC games and a Super Bowl win makes them elite. However, I would say that if you are consistently a serious contender for the Super Bowl, that you are among the best in your conference.

What is your definition of constantly? I would not consider a team that had 1 or 2 seasons of making the division round one of the best. I wouldn't consider a team that never made it past the division round one of the best either.

nyjunc
02-08-2013, 12:52 PM
As far as discussing which teams are among the best in the AFC or NFC, I would agree with that criteria. I don't like to use the word elite unless that team has won a Super Bowl. Bal making at least the division round in the last 5 seasons with 3 AFCC games and a Super Bowl win makes them elite. However, I would say that if you are consistently a serious contender for the Super Bowl, that you are among the best in your conference.

What is your definition of constantly? I would not consider a team that had 1 or 2 seasons of making the division round one of the best. I wouldn't consider a team that never made it past the division round one of the best either.

I think the reg season has to count to, I weight the postseason more heavily but Atl has been a 1 seed 2 of the last 3 years and made 4 of the last 5 postseasons. Are they elite? I'd probably put them in based on reg season success b/c they are consistently putting themselves in position to compete for championships even though they never actually do it.

PhinzN703
02-08-2013, 02:23 PM
the fact that they are constatly competing for SBs, they may not have made and won one until this year but they are at least in the div round every year.

So to you Flacco has nothing to do with their success the last five years?

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I think the reg season has to count to, I weight the postseason more heavily but Atl has been a 1 seed 2 of the last 3 years and made 4 of the last 5 postseasons. Are they elite? I'd probably put them in based on reg season success b/c they are consistently putting themselves in position to compete for championships even though they never actually do it.

Atlanta can't be elite if they can't make it to the Super Bowl. They've had decent success but that's all.

nyjunc
02-08-2013, 02:27 PM
So to you Flacco has nothing to do with their success the last five years?

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Atlanta can't be elite if they can't make it to the Super Bowl. They've had decent success but that's all.

Of course he does but that doesn't make him elite, using that logic every starter is elite on Baltimore.

DisturbedShifty
02-08-2013, 02:58 PM
Flacco is more elite than the back-to-back AFC Championship runner-up Jets.

Forgive my spelling. This was sent from my phone.

Ben Had
02-08-2013, 03:17 PM
Flacco is more elite than the back-to-back AFC Championship runner-up Jets.

Forgive my spelling. This was sent from my phone.

Flacco won the MVP in the super bowl! There isnt anyone on those Jet teams that could come close to his performance let alone compare the jets team to him!

The Jets AFCC game loses are past history...no one remembers them. Flacco is a winner!!! :lol2:

The New Guy
02-08-2013, 03:37 PM
I think the reg season has to count to, I weight the postseason more heavily but Atl has been a 1 seed 2 of the last 3 years and made 4 of the last 5 postseasons. Are they elite? I'd probably put them in based on reg season success b/c they are consistently putting themselves in position to compete for championships even though they never actually do it.

I don't like to use the word elite unless the team has won a Super Bowl, but I would consider Atl one of the better teams in the NFC. They have made the playoffs 4 out of the last 5 seasons and won at least 11 games 3 out of 4 of those seasons. The other two they won 9 and 10 games. I don't think you can just look at a specific round a team makes it to in the playoffs, becasue you have to consider who they lost to, who they beat, and how they won if they advanced. Atl was 1 and done in 3 out of their last 4 playoff apps, but look at who they lost to.

AZ in 2008 who was a couple of minutes away from winning the Super Bowl that year.
GB in 2010 who won the Super Bowl.
The Giants in 2011 who also won the Super Bowl.

Had Alt beat mediocre teams allowing them to advance further in the playoffs before losing to one of those teams that made it to the Super Bowl, it wouldn't change my opinion of the type of team Atl is. To me, it is not only regular season success, but who you play in the playoffs and how you won or lost.

So, yes I would consider Atl one of the better teams in the NFC based on their sustained regular season success and based on who they lost to in the playoffs.

What is sustained success to you? Do you really think that making it to the divisional round makes a team elite?

DisturbedShifty
02-08-2013, 05:01 PM
Flacco won the MVP in the super bowl! There isnt anyone on those Jet teams that could come close to his performance let alone compare the jets team to him!

The Jets AFCC game loses are past history...no one remembers them. Flacco is a winner!!! :lol2:

You're wrong. There is ONE person who does. And won't let us forget it. :lol:

Forgive my spelling. This was sent from my phone.

PhinzN703
02-09-2013, 01:25 PM
Of course he does but that doesn't make him elite, using that logic every starter is elite on Baltimore.

I guess, I'm not really a fan of individual players being elite b/c the ones discussed are usually the premiere positions (QB, WR, LB, etc). Baltimore as a whole is right up there as being an elite team. Playoffs the last 5 years with back to back AFC Title Game appearances with an advance and win in the SB certainly makes the case.

Next year might be different post-Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, and potential others so we'll see.

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I don't like to use the word elite unless the team has won a Super Bowl, but I would consider Atl one of the better teams in the NFC. They have made the playoffs 4 out of the last 5 seasons and won at least 11 games 3 out of 4 of those seasons. The other two they won 9 and 10 games. I don't think you can just look at a specific round a team makes it to in the playoffs, becasue you have to consider who they lost to, who they beat, and how they won if they advanced. Atl was 1 and done in 3 out of their last 4 playoff apps, but look at who they lost to.

AZ in 2008 who was a couple of minutes away from winning the Super Bowl that year.
GB in 2010 who won the Super Bowl.
The Giants in 2011 who also won the Super Bowl.

Had Alt beat mediocre teams allowing them to advance further in the playoffs before losing to one of those teams that made it to the Super Bowl, it wouldn't change my opinion of the type of team Atl is. To me, it is not only regular season success, but who you play in the playoffs and how you won or lost.

So, yes I would consider Atl one of the better teams in the NFC based on their sustained regular season success and based on who they lost to in the playoffs.

What is sustained success to you? Do you really think that making it to the divisional round makes a team elite?

Atlanta can't possibly be an elite team since they haven't made it to the Super Bowl. If you were to call them elite, what is Green Bay then? Or the Giants? More elite? That isn't a 'thing'.

The New Guy
02-09-2013, 07:38 PM
Atlanta can't possibly be an elite team since they haven't made it to the Super Bowl. If you were to call them elite, what is Green Bay then? Or the Giants? More elite? That isn't a 'thing'.

I never called them elite. Junc did. I said:


I don't like to use the word elite unless the team has won a Super Bowl, but I would consider Atl one of the better teams in the NFC.

I consider the teams that consistently compete in the playoffs the better teams. The teams that have won a Super Bowl and have / had, or continue to compete in the playoffs are elite. What I mean by that is a team could have been consistently competing in the playoffs before their Super Bowl win and I would consider them elite. I don't have to wait to see if Bal continues to compete in the playoffs to call them elite, since they have already competed the previous 4 years. They had been in at least the divisional round the previous 4 years and made 2 AFCC games. That combined with their Super Bowl win makes them elite.

The Giants are the only exception to my rule. Winning 2 Super Bowls in 5 seasons makes them elite.

PhinzN703
02-10-2013, 12:33 PM
I never called them elite. Junc did. I said:



I consider the teams that consistently compete in the playoffs the better teams. The teams that have won a Super Bowl and have / had, or continue to compete in the playoffs are elite. What I mean by that is a team could have been consistently competing in the playoffs before their Super Bowl win and I would consider them elite. I don't have to wait to see if Bal continues to compete in the playoffs to call them elite, since they have already competed the previous 4 years. They had been in at least the divisional round the previous 4 years and made 2 AFCC games. That combined with their Super Bowl win makes them elite.

The Giants are the only exception to my rule. Winning 2 Super Bowls in 5 seasons makes them elite.

I didn't mean you personally, I meant those in general. Your definition of elite is the same as mine for the most part. Winning a SB is the first step in being an elite team b/c otherwise what's the point? Finishing the season without a trophy like the other 31 teams doesn't make a team elite for trying.

The New Guy
02-10-2013, 03:06 PM
I didn't mean you personally, I meant those in general. Your definition of elite is the same as mine for the most part. Winning a SB is the first step in being an elite team b/c otherwise what's the point? Finishing the season without a trophy like the other 31 teams doesn't make a team elite for trying.

That is why I don't like to use the word elite for teams that have not won a Super Bowl. They need to be distinguished from the teams that have won one. Those teams are the truly elite teams. I do think the teams that consistently compete should also be distinguished from the teams that don't, even if both haven't won a Super Bowl. We can talk about which teams have been the better teams during a certain period of time, or who we think will continue to be the better teams without calling them elite. You and I (and I think most people) reserve that term for the select few that have won a Super Bowl, and I think that fits the term nicely.

nyjunc
02-11-2013, 09:46 AM
Flacco won the MVP in the super bowl! There isnt anyone on those Jet teams that could come close to his performance let alone compare the jets team to him!

The Jets AFCC game loses are past history...no one remembers them. Flacco is a winner!!! :lol2:

yes, if the jets won the SB it's impossible anyone could win the MVP:rolleyes2:

Flacco didn't deserve the MVP and even if he did it doesn't make him elite.


I don't like to use the word elite unless the team has won a Super Bowl, but I would consider Atl one of the better teams in the NFC. They have made the playoffs 4 out of the last 5 seasons and won at least 11 games 3 out of 4 of those seasons. The other two they won 9 and 10 games. I don't think you can just look at a specific round a team makes it to in the playoffs, becasue you have to consider who they lost to, who they beat, and how they won if they advanced. Atl was 1 and done in 3 out of their last 4 playoff apps, but look at who they lost to.

AZ in 2008 who was a couple of minutes away from winning the Super Bowl that year.
GB in 2010 who won the Super Bowl.
The Giants in 2011 who also won the Super Bowl.

Had Alt beat mediocre teams allowing them to advance further in the playoffs before losing to one of those teams that made it to the Super Bowl, it wouldn't change my opinion of the type of team Atl is. To me, it is not only regular season success, but who you play in the playoffs and how you won or lost.

So, yes I would consider Atl one of the better teams in the NFC based on their sustained regular season success and based on who they lost to in the playoffs.

What is sustained success to you? Do you really think that making it to the divisional round makes a team elite?

the div rd you are final 4 in your conference so that's a big deal. I can see the Atl thing the other way b/c they haven't won, at the very least I would consider them an NFC elite team.


I guess, I'm not really a fan of individual players being elite b/c the ones discussed are usually the premiere positions (QB, WR, LB, etc). Baltimore as a whole is right up there as being an elite team. Playoffs the last 5 years with back to back AFC Title Game appearances with an advance and win in the SB certainly makes the case.

Next year might be different post-Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, and potential others so we'll see.

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Atlanta can't possibly be an elite team since they haven't made it to the Super Bowl. If you were to call them elite, what is Green Bay then? Or the Giants? More elite? That isn't a 'thing'.

you understand that more than 1 team can be elite, right?

Ben Had
02-11-2013, 11:10 AM
yes, if the jets won the SB it's impossible anyone could win the MVP:rolleyes2:

Flacco didn't deserve the MVP and even if he did it doesn't make him elite.



the div rd you are final 4 in your conference so that's a big deal. I can see the Atl thing the other way b/c they haven't won, at the very least I would consider them an NFC elite team.



you understand that more than 1 team can be elite, right?

Have the jets been to a super bowl in your lifetime?

nyjunc
02-11-2013, 11:39 AM
Have the jets been to a super bowl in your lifetime?

Nope, so that means it is impossible? the Red Sox had never won a WS in my lifetime until 2004, the Cards had never been to a SB until 2008. Nothing is impossible, heck the dolphin may even win a playoff game this Century at some point:D

PhinzN703
02-11-2013, 12:58 PM
you understand that more than 1 team can be elite, right?

Well to you the Jets were elite along with 3-4 other teams. How does one rank elite teams in the same year anyway? Elite should be elite.

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Flacco didn't deserve the MVP and even if he did it doesn't make him elite.


You said the same thing for Eli Manning both times. Why not hire you on the award committee b/c they clearly have no clue what they're doing with their current staff.

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That is why I don't like to use the word elite for teams that have not won a Super Bowl. They need to be distinguished from the teams that have won one. Those teams are the truly elite teams. I do think the teams that consistently compete should also be distinguished from the teams that don't, even if both haven't won a Super Bowl. We can talk about which teams have been the better teams during a certain period of time, or who we think will continue to be the better teams without calling them elite. You and I (and I think most people) reserve that term for the select few that have won a Super Bowl, and I think that fits the term nicely.

A team that hasn't even gotten to the SB cannot be elite. Let's say the Ravens are now elite. How can the Falcons also be elite when they haven't accomplished what the Ravens just did?

The New Guy
02-11-2013, 01:08 PM
the div rd you are final 4 in your conference so that's a big deal. I can see the Atl thing the other way b/c they haven't won, at the very least I would consider them an NFC elite team.

Only 6 teams qualify for the playoffs in each conference. If winning 1 playoff game makes you elite, then you might as well say you are elite if you make the playoffs. You are final 6 in your conference. The Dolphins made the divisional round 3 straight years from 1998 to 2000. You really think they were elite? How can you use the same term for a team that got blown out in the divisional round as teams that got to, and won Super Bowls? Those are the elite teams. The other teams can be the better teams, but certainly not elite.

Vaark
02-11-2013, 01:08 PM
Flacco not elite, or MVP deserving is too funny coming from the guy who on TGG asserted something to the effect that in '10, Buttchez might have been the 28th ranked QB but he was still in the 'top 10'

The New Guy
02-11-2013, 01:11 PM
A team that hasn't even gotten to the SB cannot be elite. Let's say the Ravens are now elite. How can the Falcons also be elite when they haven't accomplished what the Ravens just did?

I guess in the same way the 2009 through 2011 Jets are elite like the Super Bowl winning Packers, Ravens, Steelers Ect...:lol:

nyjunc
02-11-2013, 01:16 PM
I guess in the same way the 2009 through 2011 Jets are elite like the Super Bowl winning Packers, Ravens, Steelers Ect...:lol:

so you think there is only 1 elite team per year? that's silly, there is 1 SB champion per year but multiple elite teams.

Ben Had
02-11-2013, 01:33 PM
so you think there is only 1 elite team per year? that's silly, there is 1 SB champion per year but multiple elite teams.

In your opinion!

nyjunc
02-11-2013, 01:37 PM
In your opinion!

isn't everything we post "in our opinion"?

PhinzN703
02-11-2013, 02:27 PM
isn't everything we post "in our opinion"?

Your comments seem to indicate you believe them to be fact whereas minions like most on this site are clueless and offering minuscule opinions.

That's just the vibe I get.

Ben Had
02-11-2013, 02:27 PM
isn't everything we post "in our opinion"?

I guess in your opinion it is...because those that disagree with your opinion are just average fans...

PhinzN703
02-11-2013, 02:27 PM
so you think there is only 1 elite team per year? that's silly, there is 1 SB champion per year but multiple elite teams.

It isn't just an individual year by year basis. Tell us what teams you think were elite in 2009. Then tell us which teams were elite in 2010. We'll start there.

nyjunc
02-11-2013, 02:46 PM
Your comments seem to indicate you believe them to be fact whereas minions like most on this site are clueless and offering minuscule opinions.

That's just the vibe I get.

maybe you should stop getting vibes from dudes?


I guess in your opinion it is...because those that disagree with your opinion are just average fans...

that's not true, pleanty of people that know more than me disaagree w/ me. The folks, like you, who are average fans are the ones that rely solely on stats and rankings w/o context. The folks thhat call Eli elite last year and Flacco elite this year, the folks that sway in the wind and can't think for themselves.


It isn't just an individual year by year basis. Tell us what teams you think were elite in 2009. Then tell us which teams were elite in 2010. We'll start there.

2009:

NO
Ind
Min
NYJ

2010:

GB
Chi
Pitt
NYJ
NE

PhinzN703
02-11-2013, 03:26 PM
maybe you should stop getting vibes from dudes?

Wait, what? I hope a 13 yr old kid got a hold of your account for a sec. For someone who cries about people being immature or talking ****, that comment is kind of weird.

nyjunc
02-11-2013, 03:27 PM
I was joking, relax.

PhinzN703
02-11-2013, 03:29 PM
2009:

NO
Ind
Min
NYJ

2010:

GB
Chi
Pitt
NYJ
NE

I like that you added Minnesota since they didn't get to the Super Bowl which lends credence to your 'Jets are elite' opinion. Minnesota hasn't been in the SB since 1976. Not elite.

PhinzN703
02-11-2013, 03:35 PM
I was joking, relax.

Continue with the shots at me. Relax, as if I'm a mess b/c of your weird comment. C'mon man, let's be mature about it.

nyjunc
02-11-2013, 03:45 PM
I like that you added Minnesota since they didn't get to the Super Bowl which lends credence to your 'Jets are elite' opinion. Minnesota hasn't been in the SB since 1976. Not elite.

Did you ask me who I thought was elite or areyou telling me? you asked the question, I answered it. yes, I consider a final four team to have had an elite season. Sorry that bothers you.


Continue with the shots at me. Relax, as if I'm a mess b/c of your weird comment. C'mon man, let's be mature about it.

Someone is overly sensitive today, you take many more shots at me than I take at you as I really don't ever take shots at you.

PhinzN703
02-11-2013, 03:50 PM
2009:

NO - 13-3 year, won the SB, went 24-8 in two years after. I'd agree they were elite.
Ind - 14-2 year, lost to NO in SB. Prior to that they hadn't won fewer than 10 games since 2001. Manning gets hurt, they get Luck. I'd agree they were elite.
Min - 12-4 year, lost in OT to NO in NFCCG. Prior to that they were above .500 four times in an eight year span. Haven't been to SB since 1976. Not elite.
NYJ - 9-7 year, lost to IND in AFCCG. Four playoff appearances in eight years prior. Haven't been to SB since 1969. Not elite.

2010:

GB - 10-6 year, beat PIT in SB. Made the playoffs the year prior and two seasons after. Has one of the best QBs in the game. They are elite.
Chi - 11-5 year, lost to GB in NFCCG. Hadn't made the playoffs since 2006 when they lost to IND in the SB and haven't made them since 2010. Not elite.
Pitt - 12-4 year, lost to GB in in SB. Won the SB in 2008. Have made the playoffs eight times since 2001. They are elite.
NYJ - 11-5 year, lost to PIT in AFCCG. Same reasons above.
NE - 14-2 year, lost to NYJ in Divisional Round. Have made the playoffs every year since 2001 except twice, going 9-7 in 2002 and 11-5 in 2008. Have been to the SB fives times in that span too. Also have double-digit wins in each of the last 9 seasons (since 03). They are elite.

Any reason you omitted Baltimore? They went 12-4 in 2010. They've made the playoffs in each of the last five seasons, all with Flacco at QB. Winning this year's SB puts them in the discussion.

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Someone is overly sensitive today, you take many more shots at me than I take at you as I really don't ever take shots at you.

Course not. You're that much better than I.

nyjunc
02-11-2013, 03:52 PM
NO - 13-3 year, won the SB, went 24-8 in two years after. I'd agree they were elite.
Ind - 14-2 year, lost to NO in SB. Prior to that they hadn't won fewer than 10 games since 2001. Manning gets hurt, they get Luck. I'd agree they were elite.
Min - 12-4 year, lost in OT to NO in NFCCG. Prior to that they were above .500 four times in an eight year span. Haven't been to SB since 1976. Not elite.
NYJ - 9-7 year, lost to IND in AFCCG. Four playoff appearances in eight years prior. Haven't been to SB since 1969. Not elite.

2010:

GB - 10-6 year, beat PIT in SB. Made the playoffs the year prior and two seasons after. Has one of the best QBs in the game. They are elite.
Chi - 11-5 year, lost to GB in NFCCG. Hadn't made the playoffs since 2006 when they lost to IND in the SB and haven't made them since 2010. Not elite.
Pitt - 12-4 year, lost to GB in in SB. Won the SB in 2008. Have made the playoffs eight times since 2001. They are elite.
NYJ - 11-5 year, lost to PIT in AFCCG. Same reasons above.
NE - 14-2 year, lost to NYJ in Divisional Round. Have made the playoffs every year since 2001 except twice, going 9-7 in 2002 and 11-5 in 2008. Have been to the SB fives time in that span too. Also have double-digit wins in each of the last 9 seasons (since 03). They are elite.

Any reason you omitted Baltimore? They went 12-4 in 2010. They've made the playoffs in each of the last five seasons, all with Flacco at QB. Winning this year's SB puts them in the discussion.

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Course not. You're that much better than I.

I had NE in 2010 b/c they went 14-2, 12-4 is a great record but 14-2 in on a completely different level. Bal didn't make a title game either year and never won 13-14 games so I din't have them in the elite group.

You asked me about individual seasons then in your breakdown discuss seasons before and after those particular seasons.


You need to stop w/ the nonsense, just focus on football.

The New Guy
02-11-2013, 03:55 PM
so you think there is only 1 elite team per year? that's silly, there is 1 SB champion per year but multiple elite teams.

If I was only examining teams based on that 1 year and ignored what each team has done in the past, then yes. We don't do that though. We can look at what teams did in the previous years. There can be more than 1 elite team, but a team that hasn't won a Super Bowl should not be considered elite like teams that have.

You didn't respond to my post on the last page, so maybe you missed it. Here it is again:


Only 6 teams qualify for the playoffs in each conference. If winning 1 playoff game makes you elite, then you might as well say you are elite if you make the playoffs. You are final 6 in your conference. The Dolphins made the divisional round 3 straight years from 1998 to 2000. You really think they were elite? How can you use the same term for a team that got blown out in the divisional round as teams that got to, and won Super Bowls? Those are the elite teams. The other teams can be the better teams, but certainly not elite.

nyjunc
02-11-2013, 04:00 PM
If I was only examining teams based on that 1 year and ignored what each team has done in the past, then yes. We don't do that though. We can look at what teams did in the previous years. There can be more than 1 elite team, but a team that hasn't won a Super Bowl should not be considered elite like teams that have.

You didn't respond to my post on the last page, so maybe you missed it. Here it is again:

I don't think 1 playoff win makes you elite, where did I say that? I didn't give any # of wins. The dolphins weren't elite 1998-2000 b/c they proved they couldn't play w/ the big boys losing by a combined 127-10 in the 3 div rd games.

I think NE was in 2010 b/c they won 14 games, I think Atl as a 1 seed 2 of the last 3 seasons even though they have won just 1 playoff game has been, I also think Bal pre 2012 was elite based on making 2 title games from '08-'11.

PhinzN703
02-11-2013, 04:03 PM
You need to stop w/ the nonsense, just focus on football.

This is why a lot of people don't like you. You're the one who made the homophobic comment yet I'm the one who needs to stop? What's wrong with you?

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I had NE in 2010 b/c they went 14-2, 12-4 is a great record but 14-2 in on a completely different level. Bal didn't make a title game either year and never won 13-14 games so I din't have them in the elite group.

You asked me about individual seasons then in your breakdown discuss seasons before and after those particular seasons.

I don't consider teams to be elite based on one season. To me it's a body of work. Were the Colts elite when they went from 2-14 to 10-6 and into the playoffs? Not to me. Dolphins either from 1-15 to 11-5 and into the playoffs (yes only to get killed by BAL).

nyjunc
02-11-2013, 04:06 PM
This is why a lot of people don't like you. You're the one who made the homophobic comment yet I'm the one who needs to stop? What's wrong with you?

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I don't consider teams to be elite based on one season. To me it's a body of work. Were the Colts elite when they went from 2-14 to 10-6 and into the playoffs? Not to me. Dolphins either from 1-15 to 11-5 and into the playoffs (yes only to get killed by BAL).

A) I couldn't care less if people on here like me or not especially those that do nothing but bash me b/c they don't like my football opinions

B) It was a JOKE, sorry you don't have a sense of humor.


you asked specifically on one particular season.

The '12 Colts got battered in the WC rd, same thing w/ the '08 Phins so no neither were elite. had they won 2 playoff games and made the title game they would have had elite seasons.

The New Guy
02-11-2013, 04:09 PM
I don't think 1 playoff win makes you elite, where did I say that? I didn't give any # of wins. The dolphins weren't elite 1998-2000 b/c they proved they couldn't play w/ the big boys losing by a combined 127-10 in the 3 div rd games.

I think NE was in 2010 b/c they won 14 games, I think Atl as a 1 seed 2 of the last 3 seasons even though they have won just 1 playoff game has been, I also think Bal pre 2012 was elite based on making 2 title games from '08-'11.


Did you not say that a team was elite if they consistently made the divisional round? (Final 4 of your conference) You get there with a bye, or with 1 WC playoff win. Any team that doesn't win a Super Bowl proves that they are not on the same level as teams that do win the Super Bowl.

If you are just examining 1 season in 2010, how can NE be elite like GB when NE was 1 and done in the playoffs and GB won a Super Bowl? We have a much longer time frame to judge Atl, and since they have been consistently in the playoffs, I would call them one of the better NFC team, but not elite.

PhinzN703
02-11-2013, 04:15 PM
A) I couldn't care less if people on here like me or not especially those that do nothing but bash me b/c they don't like my football opinions

B) It was a JOKE, sorry you don't have a sense of humor.

I've never seen you make a joke before. Don't start if that's the sort of weird humor you have.

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The '12 Colts got battered in the WC rd, same thing w/ the '08 Phins so no neither were elite. had they won 2 playoff games and made the title game they would have had elite seasons.

How is Atlanta elite then since they hadn't won a playoff game until his year under Matt Ryan? B/c they won some regular season games? If they were elite they would've done more than just finish a high seed to then not get to the SB.

nyjunc
02-11-2013, 04:23 PM
Did you not say that a team was elite if they consistently made the divisional round? (Final 4 of your conference) You get there with a bye, or with 1 WC playoff win. Any team that doesn't win a Super Bowl proves that they are not on the same level as teams that do win the Super Bowl.

If you are just examining 1 season in 2010, how can NE be elite like GB when NE was 1 and done in the playoffs and GB won a Super Bowl? We have a much longer time frame to judge Atl, and since they have been consistently in the playoffs, I would call them one of the better NFC team, but not elite.

There's a difference btw consistently and once in a while. If a team is in the dic rd every year w/ a conf title app here and there they are elite, if they are in the div rd every year and lose(especially the way Miami didn't even compete) then they are not elite.

NE won 14 games, I can take 1 game as asort of a fluky thing for them. If it was like 2009 where they won 10 and lost in the WC rd that's different but winning 14 games is elite in any season.

I can buy Atl not being elite overall but at the very least they are an elite NFC team.


I've never seen you make a joke before. Don't start if that's the sort of weird humor you have.

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How is Atlanta elite then since they hadn't won a playoff game until his year under Matt Ryan? B/c they won some regular season games? If they were elite they would've done more than just finish a high seed to then not get to the SB.

I crack jokes often actually, my jokes are funny unlike our resident 3rd grade photoshop artist.

You don't see the difference btw being a 1 seed 2 of 3 years vs. being a 5 or 6 seed that is one and done?

The New Guy
02-11-2013, 04:39 PM
There's a difference btw consistently and once in a while. If a team is in the dic rd every year w/ a conf title app here and there they are elite, if they are in the div rd every year and lose(especially the way Miami didn't even compete) then they are not elite.

NE won 14 games, I can take 1 game as asort of a fluky thing for them. If it was like 2009 where they won 10 and lost in the WC rd that's different but winning 14 games is elite in any season.

I can buy Atl not being elite overall but at the very least they are an elite NFC team.


You are changing your criteria. :lol: It is not just making the divisional round then? You have to advance to a conference championship every once in a while?

So you finally admit that the Jets win over NE in 2010 was a fluky thing? :chuckle:

nyjunc
02-11-2013, 04:43 PM
You are changing your criteria. :lol: It is not just making the divisional round then? You have to advance to a conference championship every once in a while?

So you finally admit that the Jets win over NE in 2010 was a fluky thing? :chuckle:

Where did I say it was just making the div rd?

The Jets beat them up but from a NE perspective it was fluky for them. They proved over 16 games they were the best but anything can happen in 1 game in this era.

PhinzN703
02-11-2013, 05:16 PM
I crack jokes often actually, my jokes are funny unlike our resident 3rd grade photoshop artist.

You don't see the difference btw being a 1 seed 2 of 3 years vs. being a 5 or 6 seed that is one and done?

Most of his graphics aren't funny to me either but they don't bother me.

Atlanta is the same as any other team that doesn't make the SB. Since winning the SB is the goal of each NFL team, every time a team fails to do it, they should get lumped into the category of other teams who failed as well.

Personally going 14-2 and being bounced out of the playoffs is the same as being 9-7 and losing in the WC round. Winning 5 more games than the 9-7 team is dandy and all but if you can't get to the SB, what's the point?

nyjunc
02-11-2013, 05:23 PM
we disagree, while I think postseason means more you still deserve some credit for great reg seasons.

PhinzN703
02-11-2013, 05:43 PM
we disagree, while I think postseason means more you still deserve some credit for great reg seasons.

There's no point in having a 'great' reg season if you don't get to and win the SB. There literally is no point. If anything a team that consistently has 'great' reg seasons that never makes the SB should be labeled a choker.

nyjunc
02-11-2013, 05:50 PM
There's no point in having a 'great' reg season if you don't get to and win the SB. There literally is no point. If anything a team that consistently has 'great' reg seasons that never makes the SB should be labeled a choker.

The teams that consistently put themselves in position w/ great reg seasons usuaulyl will break through at some point.

The New Guy
02-11-2013, 05:59 PM
Where did I say it was just making the div rd?

The Jets beat them up but from a NE perspective it was fluky for them. They proved over 16 games they were the best but anything can happen in 1 game in this era.

You said in another thread that you thought a team was elite if they consistently made the divisional round. You don't recall that?

I thought you have argued many times that the Jets proved they were the better team by beating NE in the playoffs?

nyjunc
02-11-2013, 06:01 PM
You said in another thread that you thought a team was elite if they consistently made the divisional round. You don't recall that?

I thought you have argued many times that the Jets proved they were the better team by beating NE in the playoffs?

pull up the quote, I may have misspoke.

I said from a Pats persepctive it is kind of fluky. Clearly the jets prove they were the better team that day but through 16 games NE was clearly the better team. Again, I weigh postseason more heavilty but I don't discount the reg season.

PhinzN703
02-11-2013, 06:10 PM
The teams that consistently put themselves in position w/ great reg seasons usuaulyl will break through at some point.

There should be no ifs, ands, or buts regarding elite teams. No questions at all. Besides, lately teams that aren't top seeds are the ones who win Super Bowls.

The New Guy
02-11-2013, 06:31 PM
pull up the quote, I may have misspoke.

I said from a Pats persepctive it is kind of fluky. Clearly the jets prove they were the better team that day but through 16 games NE was clearly the better team. Again, I weigh postseason more heavilty but I don't discount the reg season.

I don't remember which thread you said it in, and you have too many post to go through to find it. Don't you think that the teams that do not win Super Bowls should have a different title than the teams that do? Both should not be considered elite. The teams that consistently compete should be considered the better teams in the conference. The teams that do that and have also won a Super Bowl are elite.

How can a team prove it is better than another team in 1 game if anything can happen in 1 game? What each team had done before and what they have done since tells me who was really better.

cbreeden
02-12-2013, 09:33 AM
There should be no ifs, ands, or buts regarding elite teams. No questions at all. Besides, lately teams that aren't top seeds are the ones who win Super Bowls.

Recently, it's the good teams who get hot in Dec/Jan that make runs through the play-offs and win SBs.

PhinzN703
02-12-2013, 12:09 PM
Recently, it's the good teams who get hot in Dec/Jan that make runs through the play-offs and win SBs.

Which is proof that going 14-2 doesn't always mean anything unless you have the balls to win it all.