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baccarat
03-15-2004, 01:03 AM
Socialists Oust Spain's Ruling Party
Popular Party Hurt by Charges It Provoked Bombings by Aiding Iraq War
By ED McCULLOUGH, AP

MADRID, Spain (March 14) - Spain's Socialists scored a dramatic upset in elections Sunday, unseating conservatives stung by charges they provoked the Madrid terror bombings by supporting the U.S.-led war in Iraq and making Spain a target for al-Qaida.

It was the first time a government that backed the Iraq war has been voted out of office. Incoming prime minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero has pledged to bring home the 1,300 troops Spain has stationed in Iraq when their tour of duty ends in July.

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Another casualty in the bombing in Madrid. This hurts the war on terror and ends any possibility that the Spanish govt. will capture the bombers on March 11th.

mf52dolphin
03-15-2004, 02:24 AM
That news really sucks:mad: :yell:
By the Spanish populace voting for the Socialists, who have shown no intentions of supporting the war on terrorism, it is as if the the terrorist were successful in their goals with the attack.:yell:

Kamikaze
03-15-2004, 08:01 AM
Oh yes of course, damn those dirty Socialists!

PhinPhan1227
03-15-2004, 10:21 AM
In a nutshell, Spain just handed over their lunch money to the bully in the middle of the play yard, after just a shove. Not only does THAT bully know you'll role over, every OTHER bully does too. ETTA must be foaming at th mouth right now! I won't blame the Socialists, I'll blame the people of Spain. Talk about the WORST message you could have sent. They only thought that ETTA was bad before, now they've been shown by Al-Qaida that the "gentlemanly" tactics they've emplyoed up till now won't work. Hurt a few hundred Spanish civilians and the rest of the population will roll right over.

ohall
03-15-2004, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by Kamikaze
Oh yes of course, damn those dirty Socialists!

Damn right!

Oliver...

ohall
03-15-2004, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by m_churchill
Socialists Oust Spain's Ruling Party
Popular Party Hurt by Charges It Provoked Bombings by Aiding Iraq War
By ED McCULLOUGH, AP

MADRID, Spain (March 14) - Spain's Socialists scored a dramatic upset in elections Sunday, unseating conservatives stung by charges they provoked the Madrid terror bombings by supporting the U.S.-led war in Iraq and making Spain a target for al-Qaida.

It was the first time a government that backed the Iraq war has been voted out of office. Incoming prime minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero has pledged to bring home the 1,300 troops Spain has stationed in Iraq when their tour of duty ends in July.

For the full article
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20040314154709990002&_mpc=news%2e4



Another casualty in the bombing in Madrid. This hurts the war on terror and ends any possibility that the Spanish govt. will capture the bombers on March 11th.

They'll learn, selling your soul ain't cheap. And they don't have to worry America will make the world a safe place, just like it has the last 60-years!

Oliver...

DeDolfan
03-15-2004, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by ohall


They'll learn, selling your soul ain't cheap. And they don't have to worry America will make the world a safe place, just like it has the last 60-years!

Oliver...

The direction this has taken makes me wonder how long it will be b4 America is in this thing alone? Blair has been catching hell for it in England, now Spain, who's next? These are some hard things we have to look at now. How would we fare going it all alone, etc. ? Yikes!!

PhinPhan1227
03-15-2004, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by Kamikaze
Oh yes of course, damn those dirty Socialists!

Maybe you could remind us of the last time things got better when the Socialists took power?

iceblizzard69
03-15-2004, 03:45 PM
The old government in Spain screwed themselves by blaming ETA for the attack and then insisting that it was them. ETA's terrorist attacks are always on a smaller scale and they always give out a warning before they do something. I'm not saying that this makes them better, because what ETA does is disgusting, but this clearly was the style of Al Qaeda and not ETA.

Also, the war in Iraq was very unpopular in Spain. Over 95% of the population was against it. Also, I heard that many people in Spain believe that if Spain did not support the war in Iraq, Al Qaeda would not have attacked them the other day.

This doesn't surprise me. The old president's actions concerning Iraq were very unpopular in Spain and it hurt his party during the elections. I supported the war on Iraq, but I understand why this man was elected. Doing something that nearly everyone in your country is against will hurt your party during an election, and lying to the people of your country just days before the election won't help your party either.

Kamikaze
03-15-2004, 05:52 PM
Sheesh, some of you make it sound like they're going to be installing a socialist government similiar to Castro's Cuba. The Spanish Socialist Workers Party (http://www.encyclopedia4u.com/s/spanish-socialist-workers-party.html) is simply another social-democratic party similar to others you'll find in Western European countries.

In terms of Spain's contribution to Iraq, 90% of the population opposed having troops sent there. Combine this with the Popular Party bungling of the terrorist attack, and anyone with a sensible mind can realize why the people voted them out of power. It tells me that Spanish democracy works quite well, and that their people will hold a government accountable for failing to protect them.

I at least give 1227 props for catching some blatantly obvious sarcasm.

PhinPhan1227
03-16-2004, 05:29 PM
Originally posted by Kamikaze
Sheesh, some of you make it sound like they're going to be installing a socialist government similiar to Castro's Cuba. The Spanish Socialist Workers Party (http://www.encyclopedia4u.com/s/spanish-socialist-workers-party.html) is simply another social-democratic party similar to others you'll find in Western European countries.

In terms of Spain's contribution to Iraq, 90% of the population opposed having troops sent there. Combine this with the Popular Party bungling of the terrorist attack, and anyone with a sensible mind can realize why the people voted them out of power. It tells me that Spanish democracy works quite well, and that their people will hold a government accountable for failing to protect them.

I at least give 1227 props for catching some blatantly obvious sarcasm.

I'm not concerned about a Cuban style "Commu-Socialism"...I'm more afraid of a French style "Suck the Life out of Everything-Socilaism"...:evil:

baccarat
03-16-2004, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by PhinPhan1227


I'm not concerned about a Cuban style "Commu-Socialism"...I'm more afraid of a French style "Suck the Life out of Everything-Socilaism"...:evil:

To be fair, France and the newly elected Spanish leader have breathed in lots of air to the morale of terrorists.


Al Qaeda web sites have celebrated the election and state that their goals were achieved. Strategy 101: time and surprise are the two most vital elements in war. Islamic terrorists have just won a victory in this war.


And Ice, polls before the bombing showed the popular Party edging out a victory. So, appeasment was the deciding factor.

iceblizzard69
03-16-2004, 11:46 PM
Originally posted by PhinPhan1227


I'm not concerned about a Cuban style "Commu-Socialism"...I'm more afraid of a French style "Suck the Life out of Everything-Socilaism"...:evil:

The current government in France is right-wing. Jacques Chirac is not a socialist.

An example of a current government in Europe with a socialist president is Germany.

PhinPhan1227
03-19-2004, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by iceblizzard69


The current government in France is right-wing. Jacques Chirac is not a socialist.

An example of a current government in Europe with a socialist president is Germany.

As Socialism is as much or more an economic stance as a political one, I'll stand by my statement. France is still a heavily socialized state. :cool:

Section126
03-22-2004, 11:11 PM
The president gave a speech a few weeks after 9/11 were he said something to this effect: "This is a war that we might eventually find ourselves alone in because some won't have the stomach for it."

He ended up being right.

Al Quada scored with that election in Spain...........

PhinPhan1227
03-23-2004, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by Section126
The president gave a speech a few weeks after 9/11 were he said something to this effect: "This is a war that we might eventually find ourselves alone in because some won't have the stomach for it."

He ended up being right.

Al Quada scored with that election in Spain...........

It's mind boggling how short some peoples memories are. There are still people who were alive the last time Europe played "appeasement", and yet there they are, doing it all over again.