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Wildbill3
04-21-2014, 11:58 AM
It's that time of the year, time to think about the additions and subtractions and determine how our QB will fare this season.

hooshoops
04-21-2014, 12:17 PM
30 plus tds from the qb...this is the year

nyjunc
04-21-2014, 01:35 PM
I expect he will be better, how much will likely determine whether you finally break through to postseason or not.

uk_dolfan
04-21-2014, 01:36 PM
he improves virtually every week so of course he will be better. tds will be over 30 and ints will go down

fishfanmiami
04-21-2014, 01:37 PM
Even before the draft our O line and running game have been upgraded. Still more work to do but just fixing those obvious weaknesses should help big time. Hope there is more to come in the draft.
The chemistry with Wallace is a question mark but if that gets better Ryan has a real chance to have a big year so i vote yes.

fishfanmiami
04-21-2014, 01:46 PM
30 plus tds from the qb...this is the year

I think Lazor will emphasize the run a lot more than Sherman so his passing TD totals may stay about the same. That's fine as long as the INT numbers are cut to 10 or 12 and we are scoring a lot more with running plays.

Bumpus
04-21-2014, 01:50 PM
I voted yes simply because I can't envision a scenario where we don't finish fixing the O-line through the draft.

RT upright = better results.

DisturbedShifty
04-21-2014, 04:16 PM
We know that the sole vote in no will be WV's.

nyjunc
04-21-2014, 04:22 PM
We know that the sole vote in no will be WV's.

I think he would say he will be better but he kind of has to be better. he wasn't good last year overall.

Vaark
04-21-2014, 04:28 PM
* another year of experience

** A QB-whsiperer of an OC who's more promising, creative, and less predictably anarchistic than his predecessor

*** a better ZBS adept, less porous OL (sight unseen how can it be worse?) coached by an accomplished OLC

**** With Moreno, a more predictable, less schizoid running game, pass outlet and backfield blocking sack deterrent

***** Gibson, Hartline and Binns (and maybe even Keller or a suitable replacement) back at full strength

******A QB, coaching staff and teammates not distracted by tempest in a teapot BS

********Alll of the above coupled with stud-like potential, durability and mental toughness to hang in there, take a beating and as he showed as 2012 progressed, an ability to learn from past mistakes when you have all your tools and an OL that gives you more than 1.5secs to form and pocket and allow him to step into it.

Enough reasons? I've shown all my work, do I get a gold star?

Bumpus
04-21-2014, 06:24 PM
I think he would say he will be better but he kind of has to be better. he wasn't good last year overall.

... Says the guy who believed buttfumble was a franchise signal caller.


If I thought you knew what you were talking about when it came to QB play, I'd be concerned. :lol:

CalDolFan1014
04-21-2014, 08:50 PM
... Says the guy who believed buttfumble was a franchise signal caller.


If I thought you knew what you were talking about when it came to QB play, I'd be concerned. :lol:

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2013/04/blackkidohsnapgif-1.jpg

DisturbedShifty
04-22-2014, 06:19 AM
Oh! Who voted no? Was I right?

EDIT: Aww. Now there are two nos.

Vaark
04-22-2014, 09:59 AM
Oh! Who voted no? Was I right?

EDIT: Aww. Now there are two nos.

I can think of 3 Tannehill Rainmen ("TanneMans") of the top of my head- (would have been 4 if the OCD form-fitting stats attn whore hadn't been kicked to the curb already). Guess one hasn't weighed in yet, or just gave up the charade now seeing that we're gonna draft a QB somewhere :idk:

That's why when I conduct a poll, I make sure to check the public vote box making it hard to troll without looking foolish or predictable.

nyjunc
04-22-2014, 10:01 AM
... Says the guy who believed buttfumble was a franchise signal caller.


If I thought you knew what you were talking about when it came to QB play, I'd be concerned. :lol:

you meant he guy who helped his team win 4 road playoff games and reach 2 title games? yeah he's worse than the guy who led his O to 7 pts COMBINED against 2 non playoff bound teams needing one win to get a rare playoff app for his team.

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I can think of 3 Tannehill Rainmen ("TanneMans") of the top of my head- (would have been 4 if the OCD form-fitting stats attn whore hadn't been kicked to the curb already). Guess one hasn't weighed in yet, or just gave up the charade now seeing that we're gonna draft a QB somewhere :idk:

That's why when I conduct a poll, I make sure to check the public vote box making it hard to troll without looking foolish or predictable.

my #1 fan always concerned about me. I didn't vote actually and I said I think he will get better(it would be hard not to).

Vaark
04-22-2014, 11:08 AM
you meant he guy who helped his team win 4 road playoff games and reach 2 title games? yeah he's worse than the guy who led his O to 7 pts COMBINED against 2 non playoff bound teams needing one win to get a rare playoff app for his team.

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my #1 fan always concerned about me. I didn't vote actually and I said I think he will get better(it would be hard not to).

I think it's vice versa.. I didn't include yours because (based on your Sanchez and laughable jets were "elite" type opinions and blatant homerism)it really don't count. I know attention whoring is your OCD-need, but sorry to disappoint that when it comes to objective opinions, yours really is a non factor around here. But carry on with your assclownery :up:

nyjunc
04-22-2014, 11:13 AM
I think it's vice versa.. I didn't include yours because (based on your Sanchez and laughable jets were "elite" type opinions and blatant homerism)it really don't count. I know attention whoring is your OCD-need, but sorry to disappoint that when it comes to objective opinions, yours really is a non factor around here. But carry on with your assclownery :up:

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2014/04/stockphoto23463559cartoonmanfallenasleep-1.jpg

ConvenientTruth
04-22-2014, 11:15 AM
Yes....only because of his dreamboat looks....

CalDolFan1014
04-22-2014, 12:55 PM
you meant he guy who helped his team win 4 road playoff games and reach 2 title games? yeah he's worse than the guy who led his O to 7 pts COMBINED against 2 non playoff bound teams needing one win to get a rare playoff app for his team.

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2014/04/j0141367-1.gif

Keep beating that dead horse. Wake us up when you finally realize that means absolutely nothing now.

hooshoops
04-23-2014, 12:47 PM
junc up to his usual baiting ways...

nyjunc
04-23-2014, 02:31 PM
junc up to his usual baiting ways...

yep, if someone doesn't say he's the nest Tom Brady(only more athletic!) clearly they are baiting. How about "junc up to his usual FAIR ways"?

Bumpus
04-23-2014, 03:20 PM
yep, if someone doesn't say he's the nest Tom Brady(only more athletic!) clearly they are baiting. How about "junc up to his usual FAIR ways"?

How 'bout - You're a troll.

Vaark
04-23-2014, 03:22 PM
Just to amplify on my post#10 specifically on the critical need for the OL stabilizing at the least, and hopefully improving as being the linchpin to Tannehill's success, consider these "no axes to grind" analytics"

It's true that PFF ranked our '13 OL at #14 - but by the same token they ranked Ryan as the #7QB in the league. So if you're gonna dwell on the former, you implicitly are endorsing the latter as well since it's the same methodology. I think realistically, most of us think that both rankings are too unreal, so let's move on.

Advanced NFL Stats
ranks the Fins '13 OL at 28th overall and 24th at expected pass points added. And an embarrassing 32nd out of 32 in "pass win probability added" which to me means that they were no help at all. :idk:

http://wp.advancednflstats.com/teamOL.php


Then there's football outsiders which ranks our '13 OL at 28th in run blocking (and we know that a schizoid running attack only helps our opponents' pass defense) and
30th in pass protection.
Nuff said but if you want to see how miserable each member of our OL was, here's the link:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol


then you can throw in Yahoo's rank of our OL at 29 (ditto Evan Silva's Rotoworld ranking which looks like the same deal more or less as Yahoo)

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/2013-offensive-line-rankings-165300237--nfl.html
but neither of these "organizations" are really known for analytics let alone objectivity.

As a comparison, here's the '12 Fins OL rankings where you can see Tannehill literally learning and moving forward on almost a weekly basis:

PFF #23 - so according to them our OL improved, but then again, according to them Tannehill became a top 7 QB, so make of that what you will. Regardless, this was an interesting and now prescient comment:
Dud: You spend a high pick on a rookie, then it’s likely at some point you’re going to want to see what you’ve got. Well, the Dolphins got a good long look at Jonathan Martin (-22.0) and they’ll know he’s got a long way to go before he becomes the player they drafted him to be.
Advanced NFL Stats #6
Football Outsiders: #21 for run blocking/ #18 for pass protection

Anyone who's watched the games can see that if there's no OL ability to make a pocket, then there's no pocket for the classic passing QB to step into. Simple stuff that's not rocket science. :idk:

nyjunc
04-23-2014, 03:27 PM
How 'bout - You're a troll.

not really but some homers don't like reality. I am always fair, I don't bash for the sake of bashing. I haven't even bashed Ryan but if you don't say he's a young, more athletic Tom Brady(:lol:) then you are considered bashing him. I think Ryan can be a good QB, he's not there yet though.

CalDolFan1014
04-23-2014, 04:48 PM
not really but some homers don't like reality. I am always fair, I don't bash for the sake of bashing. I haven't even bashed Ryan but if you don't say he's a young, more athletic Tom Brady(:lol:) then you are considered bashing him. I think Ryan can be a good QB, he's not there yet though.

This coming from the guy that constantly preached to us that Buttfumble was the next best thing since sliced bread. Classic! :lol: :lol:

nyjunc
04-23-2014, 04:50 PM
This coming from the guy that constantly preached to us that Buttfumble was the next best thing since sliced bread. Classic! :lol: :lol:

Except I didn't, that was your perception.

Vaark
04-23-2014, 05:48 PM
Just to expand on the OL breakdown causal tentacles precipitating and compounding an array of Tannehill issues in '13

According to ESPN Team Rushing statistics:
in '13 Miami ranked #26

as compared to in
'12, Miami ranked #17

Again, with such an extreme backsliding by the OL and running game, coupled with Gibson going down, the unavailablility of Keller who he clicked with in exhibition season, the OC calling and of course the tempest in a teapot distractions, from an offensive standipoint, in some ways it's amazing that RT17 had us in the hunt thru 14 games, regardless of the last 2. And don't get me going about Wheeler and most of the defense!

hooshoops
04-23-2014, 06:54 PM
i'm not gonna explain my tom brady comments to that dumb ass again...he can take them out of context as much as he wants...i'm not scared when it comes to convictions about players

nyjunc
04-24-2014, 08:54 AM
i'm not gonna explain my tom brady comments to that dumb ass again...he can take them out of context as much as he wants...i'm not scared when it comes to convictions about players

what is there to be sacred of? if you are wrong so what? if you are right so what? it's asinine to compare him to a top 5 QB, again he's a more athletic Bledsoe not a more athletic Brady. he can be a good QB in this league but you try to oversell him.

Vaark
04-24-2014, 09:56 AM
hopefully (would be a welcome change fersure):


LT Branden Albert: I'm here to protect Ryan Tannehill's blind side
By Chris Perkins and South Florida Sun Sentinel,
Dolphins offensive tackle Branden Albert was welcomed to South Florida on Tuesday night with a dinner attended by quarterback Ryan Tannehill, center Mike Pouncey, and general manager Dennis Hickey among others. And even though Hickey, whose voice was hoarse from manning the phone during free agency, executed the deal to get Albert in the fold, he said Tannehill was the happiest man at the table. That makes sense. Tannehill was sacked a NFL-worst 58 times last season. Albert, a Pro Bowl selection with Kansas City last season, understands his role on his new team.

hooshoops
04-24-2014, 10:25 AM
what is there to be sacred of? if you are wrong so what? if you are right so what? it's asinine to compare him to a top 5 QB, again he's a more athletic Bledsoe not a more athletic Brady. he can be a good QB in this league but you try to oversell him.

i'm rarely wrong...i know that's a foreign concept for you

nyjunc
04-24-2014, 03:27 PM
i'm rarely wrong...i know that's a foreign concept for you

That's pretty funny, thanks for making me laugh.

hooshoops
04-24-2014, 03:30 PM
That's pretty funny, thanks for making me laugh.

no problem...you make me laugh daily with your nonsense...

nyjunc
04-24-2014, 03:32 PM
no problem...you make me laugh daily with your nonsense...

witty comeback! you are like a young and more athletic Billy Crystal!

roy_miami
04-24-2014, 04:37 PM
I predict the TDs and yards will be through the roof but the passer rating will remain below 85 and we'll fall short of the playoffs again, so I voted other.

nyjunc
04-24-2014, 04:39 PM
I predict the TDs and yards will be through the roof but the passer rating will remain below 85 and we'll fall short of the playoffs again, so I voted other.

If TDs are through the roof(which I would consider in the 35 range) I think you'll be a playoff team.

roy_miami
04-24-2014, 04:43 PM
If TDs are through the roof(which I would consider in the 35 range) I think you'll be a playoff team.

I'm predicting 30+ which is through the roof for us considering we haven't sniffed 30 in decades.

nyjunc
04-24-2014, 04:46 PM
I'm predicting 30+ which is through the roof for us considering we haven't sniffed 30 in decades.

I think if he has around 30 and the TOs don't go up you'll have a great shot.

SpurzN703
04-25-2014, 10:44 AM
you meant he guy who helped his team win 4 road playoff games and reach 2 title games? yeah he's worse than the guy who led his O to 7 pts COMBINED against 2 non playoff bound teams needing one win to get a rare playoff app for his team.

I bet your computer is overly tired of you copying and pasting that same outdated bull**** huh?

ConvenientTruth
04-25-2014, 10:50 AM
you meant he guy who helped his team win 4 road playoff games and reach 2 title games? yeah he's worse than the guy who led his O to 7 pts COMBINED against 2 non playoff bound teams needing one win to get a rare playoff app for his team.

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my #1 fan always concerned about me. I didn't vote actually and I said I think he will get better(it would be hard not to).

I think you mean won 4 road games in spite of their QB....

nyjunc
04-25-2014, 10:52 AM
I bet your computer is overly tired of you copying and pasting that same outdated bull**** huh?

when you guys stop posting your misinformed BS I'll stop correcting you.

ConvenientTruth
04-25-2014, 11:04 AM
when you guys stop posting your misinformed BS I'll stop correcting you.

I'll take "when Junc has a clue" for 400 Alex...

dolpns13
05-31-2014, 08:05 PM
when you guys stop posting your misinformed BS I'll stop correcting you.

Your BullS is getting old and tiresome.

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