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WeVie
03-22-2004, 11:56 PM
What kind of car do you guys have? What is your dream car? Right now I have a 2001 Eclipse GT and a 1995 Mustang GT.

I think that I am going to trade the Mustang this weekend for a 2000 Trams Am with ram air and a six speed. One of these days when I am rich I am going to buy a Dodge Viper. That is my dream car by far.2001 Eclipse GT (http://www.kbb.com/VehicleJPegs/BHMIECLGT017.jpg) 1995 Mustang GT (http://www.kbb.com/VehicleJPegs/BCFOMUSGTCPE952.jpg) 2000 Trans Am (http://www.kbb.com/VehicleJPegs/BCPOFIRRAM001.JPG) Dodge Viper (http://www.kbb.com/VehicleJPegs/BRDOVIP041.JPG)

SMadison29
03-23-2004, 02:30 AM
I have a 95 Mustang SRS.

I'd like to get a Viper.

poornate
03-23-2004, 02:52 AM
1999 Jeep Cherokee
1969 El Camino (454 Big Block)
1995 Miata (wifes car)

poornate
03-23-2004, 02:53 AM
Anybody want to buy an El Camino?:bling:

Snickersbps
03-23-2004, 03:05 AM
I drive a '79 Camaro z28(yellow one)...
http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif

(my friend's is a '67 Camaro SS Clone)

my dream car, is either a '66 Mini Cooper with a 350 SBC, or a pro streeted '63 vette. More so the corvette, but hey, wouldnt that mini be awesome?! :lol:

Dajesus
03-23-2004, 03:24 AM
I drive a 2003 spicy orange Mazda Speed Protege. With a few tweaks to the intake, cpu, and toping out the PSI to 10 I am up to about 230hp out of a 4 cylinder 2.1 lieter turbo. I absolutely love my car mostly because I have only ever sceen one other Mazda Speed on the road, but it was a 2003.5. I also love it because I am let to lose a race to another 4 cylinder turbo yet. I have also taken most of the V6 cars I have gone against. I fear the day I see a WRX, and don't realize that it is an STI before I floor when the light hits green.

My dream car would be the Ferrari convertable with the mid engine and the plexy glass above the trunk to see the mid engine(don't know the model0 Realisticly I will own a Acura NSX before I die.

WeVie
03-23-2004, 04:10 AM
I have thought about buying a little import and making it really fast but there is something about that V8 rumble that I can't get away from. The Eclipse is my wife's car but I do like it alot. I may do some things to it if she will let me.

WeVie
03-23-2004, 04:13 AM
Originally posted by Snickersbps
I drive a '79 Camaro z28(yellow one)...
http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif

(my friend's is a '67 Camaro SS Clone)

my dream car, is either a '66 Mini Cooper with a 350 SBC, or a pro streeted '63 vette. More so the corvette, but hey, wouldnt that mini be awesome?! :lol:


I have to admit, old cars are cool but they never have appealed to me that much for some reason. Not sure why. I guess I like the newness and the modern technology like the leather, cd players, cruise and a/c.

Snickersbps
03-23-2004, 04:17 AM
thats funny...my car has leather, a cd player, cruise control, and a/c plus that 100% natural V8 rumble :D

I know what you mean though. I prefer older cars because of the look, and the fact that they're 100 times easier to work on

WeVie
03-23-2004, 04:36 AM
Originally posted by Snickersbps
thats funny...my car has leather, a cd player, cruise control, and a/c plus that 100% natural V8 rumble :D

I know what you mean though. I prefer older cars because of the look, and the fact that they're 100 times easier to work on


Does it really? Just goes to show you how much I know about cars huh? I did'nt realize older cars had those thing in them.

Clumpy
03-23-2004, 04:37 AM
I have a 2001 Ford Ranger SuperCab 4x4 :cool:

Snickersbps
03-23-2004, 04:49 AM
well there's a catch... on the 100+ degree summer days, leave the car at home. Running the a/c in stop and go city driving and its going to over heat in no time. The CD player isnt stock, obviously, but who keeps a stock stereo these days? The leather is actually a seat set from a 1999 Trans AM (car came with a very nice vinyl...but the new Trans AM seats are comfier and power operated). Front seats bolt in directly and the backs with some small modifications. Cruise Control is there, and worked when I bought the car, but I bypassed it because it started to cause my speedometer to read incorectly. A new Cruise valve is a pretty penny and not too common, so I can do without. Besides, my car isnt for highway driving anyways :evil:

Justasportsfan
03-23-2004, 10:55 AM
http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif

LIQUID24
03-23-2004, 11:14 AM
That's a tricked out ride.........:lol: :lol:

Pagan
03-23-2004, 01:14 PM
~ 1973 'Cuda 340
~ 2002 Saturn SC2

Dream car - 2004 Ford GT

dolphan39
03-23-2004, 01:58 PM
Have: 2003 Nissan Maxima SE
Want:

http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif

not in yellow though

Justasportsfan
03-23-2004, 02:40 PM
I love Nissans.

WeVie
03-23-2004, 02:47 PM
is that a porche?

wonderl33t
03-23-2004, 02:55 PM
94-95 IMPALA SS. I LOVE THIS MODEL

http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif

BigFinFan
03-23-2004, 03:22 PM
2002 Eddie Bauer Expedition
2002 Explorer Sport Trac

dolphan39
03-23-2004, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by WeVie
is that a porche? :yes:

http://www.porsche.nl/911/911_gt3/0,11052,,00.html

WestPhish
03-23-2004, 03:38 PM
I drive:

Audi A4 1.8T CVT

want:

Anything with a prancing horse or raging bull emblem on it. (hint: Lamborghini or Ferrari)

SMadison29
03-23-2004, 04:18 PM
I love this car

http://home.online.no/~mnoestby/bil/bilder/gts1-2.jpg

!PapaCrunk81!
03-23-2004, 09:28 PM
have a '01 Mitsubishi Galant, would love to have the twin turbo AWD JDM version. This isn't my car, but this is what a Galant's potential could be w/ a little extra $$$$
GALANTS (http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/538492)

SuavePhin
03-23-2004, 09:38 PM
Have 97 Ford Taurus

Want 2004 Chevy Avalance

Peebs
03-23-2004, 11:09 PM
I have a 89 Olds Cutless Supreme and a 2001 Ford Escape.

My dream is a Porsche 911 turbo convertible.

poornate
03-23-2004, 11:13 PM
Iwant to randomly start trashing so many peoples rides on this thread but I can't! I love you guys man!!!

(I work appraising cars)

Snickersbps
03-24-2004, 12:34 AM
now even though the comment was made in fun, you have to realize some people have their cars soley for joy of having it(like myself) not the actually $$ value.

Id say my car isnt worth a dime over $5000 on its best day, more around $4000, but even then I'd need to find someone who is interested in my car. Given that, I wouldnt even think twice about turning down $7-8 grand. $10 is when I start to waver but even then Ill cry myself to sleep :lol:

themole
03-24-2004, 12:35 AM
Me 2002 Z71
wife 2002 Nissan X-terra

Dreams:1966-67 427 SC Shelby Cobra

1966 Shelby GT 350

1956-73 Corvettes

Vintage Harleys

More practical: wwII 44-47 willis jeep 4x4

Baz
03-24-2004, 01:54 AM
Cherry Red Jeep Wrangler with a black hardtop and a 5-inch lift kit. Oh yeah, needs the big swamping tired too......

WeVie
03-24-2004, 06:16 PM
Looks like I have worked out a deal for the Trans Am. I have'nt seen the car yet because they have it at another of there lots. They are going to go get it and if I am satisfed with the car I will drive it home.

I just wish it was'nt white.

TerryTate
03-24-2004, 06:30 PM
96 Dodge Avenger, Red, runs like crap...

Dream Car: The Black Diablo I saw parked in a handicap spot on Las Olas, went to get my camera from the condo, felt the hotel rumble 4 floors up and I came back down and it was gone...

themole
03-24-2004, 06:38 PM
http://www.seriouswheels.com/images/a_1967_AC_Cobra_427_SC_2.jpg

This is a picture of the gorgeous beast that sent Enzo Ferrari packing back to Italy in 1966-67. Fastest production car ever built.

There is 427 CID of american steel under that hood putting out over 500 hp in a 2100 lb car. AWESOME:evil: Untouchable and still the KING!

themole
03-24-2004, 07:00 PM
http://musclecar-logbook.net/FORD/1966%20Shelby%20GT%20350%20%200114.jpg

This the Snakes little brother...In the world of cars these two are the equivalent of the "72" Dolphins folks! Awesome...undefeated and untied.

American muscle at its best!!

poornate
03-24-2004, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by Snickersbps
now even though the comment was made in fun, you have to realize some people have their cars soley for joy of having it(like myself) not the actually $$ value.

Id say my car isnt worth a dime over $5000 on its best day, more around $4000, but even then I'd need to find someone who is interested in my car. Given that, I wouldnt even think twice about turning down $7-8 grand. $10 is when I start to waver but even then Ill cry myself to sleep :lol:

I'm not talking about the beaters. I'm talking about some of the newer cars that people bought....( I love a good beater. I change cars like most people change socks. I haven't had a car with less than 75,000 miles since my freshman year of college. I use 'em, abuse ,em, and replace 'em! Smartest way to do it!)

Gfraeverne21
03-24-2004, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by dolphan39
Have: 2003 Nissan Maxima SE
Want:

http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif

not in yellow though


I love how that exact same porsche without the spoiler is sitting in my garage right meow :eek: :nana:

P4E
03-24-2004, 11:40 PM
The girl's got class, Baz. Marry her quick.:)

Baz
03-25-2004, 12:18 AM
Originally posted by Phan4Ever
The girl's got class, Baz. Marry her quick.:)

She isn't kidding guys. I'm looking at the car right now, Its even yellow!! No spoiler though......

Snickersbps
03-25-2004, 12:48 AM
Originally posted by Gfraeverne21



... in my garage right meow

what are you laughing out meow? :lol:


love that movie

inFINSible
03-25-2004, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by Bazinet37


She isn't kidding guys. I'm looking at the car right now, Its even yellow!! No spoiler though...... what are you doing in the garage!?! Get back inside and seal the deal!.....Uhm, no pun intended..hehe...:D

WharfRat
03-25-2004, 12:01 PM
Currently Drive:

http://www.finheaven.com/photo/data/500/661grandprix-med.jpg
2003 Pontiac Grand Prix SE

Dream Car:

http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif

1969 Pontiac GTO "Judge"

Pagan
03-25-2004, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by themole
http://musclecar-logbook.net/FORD/1966%20Shelby%20GT%20350%20%200114.jpg

This the Snakes little brother...In the world of cars these two are the equivalent of the "72" Dolphins folks! Awesome...undefeated and untied.

American muscle at its best!!

I'll agree with you on the 427 Shelby being undefeated....but not the GT 350.

A '70 Hemicuda, '70 LS6 454 Chevelle, or a '70 Gran Sport 455 Stage-1 would peel it's paint. ;)

WharfRat
03-25-2004, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by Pagan


I'll agree with you on the 427 Shelby being undefeated....but not the GT 350.

A '70 Hemicuda, '70 LS6 454 Chevelle, or a '70 Gran Sport 455 Stage-1 would peel it's paint. ;)

Hey Pagan...

You guys playing in NYC area anytime soon?

themole
03-25-2004, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by Pagan


I'll agree with you on the 427 Shelby being undefeated....but not the GT 350.

A '70 Hemicuda, '70 LS6 454 Chevelle, or a '70 Gran Sport 455 Stage-1 would peel it's paint. ;)

Pagan...I wasn't talking 1/4 mi. I was talking SCCA. While the Cobra was King across all classifications and unbeatable the Gt 350 was king in its class. It was NOT a drag racer, it was a road racer. Riverside, Watkins Glenn, Seabring, Daytona this is where the 350 performed its magic. Although it couldn't touch the Hemi Cuda,"426cid 415hp" in the 1/4, I believe it would compete with the other two cars you mentioned.

Remember the GT 350 only squeezed 306hp out of its 289 cid engine.

WeVie
03-25-2004, 05:34 PM
Does anyone know the difference in the Firebird Formula and the Trans Am. Although I have not looked at the car yet it seems it is a Formuala instead of a Trans Am. The salesman did say it has the Ram Air package with the WS6 package and the six speed manual but from what I can tell the Formula is about $2000 cheaper than the Trans Am. Any ideas?

themole
03-25-2004, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by WeVie
Does anyone know the difference in the Firebird Formula and the Trans Am. Although I have not looked at the car yet it seems it is a Formuala instead of a Trans Am. The salesman did say it has the Ram Air package with the WS6 package and the six speed manual but from what I can tell the Formula is about $2000 cheaper than the Trans Am. Any ideas?

T/A has heavier suspension WeVie, that's where the money went, but also some gadgits.

Was your Mustang a G.t 5.0? If so I wouldn't make the trade. Poornate will tell ya.

WeVie
03-25-2004, 05:46 PM
Is that the only difference? Yes my Mustang GT 5.0. As I realize it is the last year with the 302 5.0 being a 1995 model I have always wanted a Trans Am and they are much much much much more faster than my Stang.

themole
03-25-2004, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by WeVie
Is that the only difference? Yes my Mustang GT 5.0. As I realize it is the last year with the 302 5.0 being a 1995 model I have always wanted a Trans Am and they are much much much much more faster than my Stang.

Stang, is much more appealing "$" car WeVie. FOMOCO has traditionally made its owners spend a little more money for performance but it is there. The T/A has a 350 CID engine the Stang has a 302. If that 302 is strong with just a little tweaking you can have it run circles around the T/A.

That tweaking can be accomplished by new chip in computer, Exhaust Headers, K&N air filter. That's just minor add ons that could add 15 + 30 hp to that 302.

WeVie
03-25-2004, 06:03 PM
I do realize all of that but it's just that I like the Trans Am better than just about anything. Once I get this I will keep it intill I can afford my Viper.

themole
03-25-2004, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by WeVie
I do realize all of that but it's just that I like the Trans Am better than just about anything. Once I get this I will keep it intill I can afford my Viper.

If you have your mind set on the T/A that's what you should do. Down the road in time that Mustang will be more desirable to own. Pick up a Trader Mag. and see which cars are holding value. Remember one thing...that Formula is NOT a T/A. Other than that go for it my friend.:D

WeVie
03-25-2004, 06:24 PM
That what I thought. I thought they were two different cars. I am going to go look at it tomorrow and drive it and kick the tires and all that stuff. If's it's not what I am looking for then it will stay there and I will continue my search.

themole
03-25-2004, 06:57 PM
Originally posted by Pagan


I'll agree with you on the 427 Shelby being undefeated....but not the GT 350.

A '70 Hemicuda, '70 LS6 454 Chevelle, or a '70 Gran Sport 455 Stage-1 would peel it's paint. ;)

Pagan I found this..makes an old man want to cry:.

Shelby American

BY TOM WILSON

Shelby American had been building and racing small-block Cobras for two years when Ford whipped America into a froth with the Mustang. Along with miniskirts, the Mustang was one of the more enjoyable aspects of the Sixties, but as taken as the public was by the first long-hood, short-deck personal car, Ford recognized that its runaway sales success had no performance pedigree and needed one fast.

This meant rushing the Mustang into racing, specifically in Sports Car Club of America road racing. Victory in SCCA nationals against the long-established Corvette was exactly the paperwork the new Ford needed to prove its mettle. The only catch was, the SCCA didn't consider the 4-seat Mustang a sports car.

In lesser times, this would have been the end of the story, but this was the Total Performance Era, as conveniently labeled by Ford public relations. Henry Ford II was the undisputed czar at Ford World Headquarters, and Henry had wisely, and somewhat emotionally, decided winning races was the way to sell Fords in the go-go Sixties. This would be the last stand of the monarch as car builder, and the racing juggernaut Ford assembled was of truly regal proportions.

When it came to sports cars in mid-1964, Carroll Shelby was the man Ford depended on to develop and race winners. His 289 Cobras were coming within a technicality of winning the FIA GT Constructors Championship and would soon pound Ferrari down to the babbitt in 1965. With its Cobra building and racing experience, not to mention its well-developed, reliable racing version of Ford's 289-cu.-in. small-block V-8, the Shelby equip was the logical choice to transform the Mustang into a winning sports car.

Shelby's first step was to find out just what the SCCA wanted changed on the Mustang in order to turn it into a sports car. SCCA Executive Director John Bishop said such a Mustang could have but two seats along with either a modified engine or a modified suspension, but not both. Furthermore, 100 cars would have to be built to homologate the new car into the B Production class, home of the small-block Corvette. By the time Shelby American Competition Director Ken Miles was handed the project, it was August. He had only until January to build the necessary 100 cars if the new Shelbys were to make it into the 1965 racing season.

Not only would 100 cars be required, but also two versions of the new Shelby Mustang were necessary. A handful of GT-350 R-Models would be assembled strictly for competition, while the standard GT-350 sold the required volume, as the race-car market could never absorb 100 pure competition models. In other words, Shelby American needed to homologate the homologation special. Miles began with the race car. Using two Mustang coupes and a stack of parts books, Miles worked under orders to keep things simple, as most of the car would have to be duplicated at least 100 times and, it was hoped, more if customer demand was forthcoming.

With the 289 engine proven and reliable up to 365 bhp in the racing Cobras, Miles knew his toughest job would be the chassis. The Mustang's simple Hotchkiss rear and Falcon front suspension limited traction coming off the corners and understeered with a vengeance going in. Ford engineers helped by computing a simple 1.0-in. lowering of the front upper A-arm, a job done by redrilling two bolt holes in the front structure's sheet metal. This lowered the ride height almost an inch but, more important, gained negative camber while cornering. Koni shocks and a 1.0-in. anti-roll bar were added.

Keeping the rear axle from hopping when assaulted by Cobra-type horsepower was the job given to a pair of override traction bars. The bars were attached to brackets welded to the rear axle and anchored in boxes cut and welded into the rear floorpan. The overriders worked by limiting wrap-up in the leaf springs, but like the relocated front A-arms, they were a time-consuming, costly fix. More fiscally reasonable was the "Monte Carlo" bar Miles added between the front strut towers, and the single-piece "export brace" between the shock towers and firewall. The Monte Carlo bar was nicked from the European Falcon rally program, hence the name, while the brace was a standard feature on all Mustangs headed overseas.

Because Ford would build the basic cars to Shelby's specifications at its San Jose, California, assembly plant, Miles was able to choose a few options. These included 11.3-in. front disc brakes and rear 10.0-in. drums off the full-size Fairlane station wagon, both with sintered metallic friction material. Miles also opted for an aluminum-case Borg-Warner T-10 4-speed manual transmission.

That was about all Miles needed from Ford for the race cars, as they would be assembled in San Jose without interiors and other unnecessary equipment. The street cars were ordered with Ford's most potent 289, the 271-bhp Hi-Po. It featured a high-lift, high-rpm camshaft with mechanical lifters, along with a bit of extra balancing and compression. The bulletproof 9-in. Ford rear axle with 3.89 gears was chosen, and the hoods, hood latches, grille bars, Mustang emblems, rear seats, radios and exhaust systems were deleted. All cars were white fastbacks with black interiors.

Ford churned out 95 street cars and 15 race cars in two days. They were shipped by truck to Shelby American's modest Venice, California, digs between December 22 and 30, so when the SCCA inspectors showed up in January, 1965, they were a bit surprised to find the necessary cars on hand. Shelby was in the game.

At Venice the cars were moved through final assembly in small batches because there wasn't enough room for a production line. The suspension was modified as discussed, including installation of a Detroit "No Spin" locking differential. Fabricated on the spot was the exhaust system. Built from tube-steel Tri-Y headers, glass-pack mufflers and tailpipes exiting in front of the rear tires, the assembly was pure Southern California hot-rodding fare.

Engine modifications were few. Finned, cast-aluminum valve covers with "Cobra Powered by Ford" script and a matching "Cobra" oilpan provided some dress-up, while extra power was derived from a "Cobra" high-rise aluminum intake manifold and 715-cfm Holley carburetor topped with an open-element air filter. Shelby rated the engine at 306 bhp, a figure modern dyno work on restored engines shows was accurate.

The first 100 cars or so received the same 16-in., three-spoke wood-rim steering wheel as the Cobra, while later GT-350s got 15-in. versions after complaints about the wheel hitting the thighs of larger drivers. Neither wheel had a horn button, that function being served by a spring-loaded switch on the dash.

Not without some effort, a "CS"-labeled tach and oil-pressure gauge were fitted in a pod at the top center of the dash pad. The rear seat area was covered with a simple fiberglass shelf, which doubled as a perch for the spare tire. Three-inch competition lap belts were also installed, their attachment points doubling with the driveshaft safety loop under the car.

Pete Brock was Shelby's designer, among other things, and he penned the now signature Guardsman Blue stripes. Interestingly, the stripes vary in width from their nominal 10 inches. Otherwise they would appear excessively wide at each end of the car because of perspective. Brock initially attempted to use both a horse and snake in the new car's emblem but, thankfully, couldn't pull off such a stretch, settling on the Mustang's horse and tri-bar fender badge. This was affixed to the left side of the grille, while a "GT-350" nameplate was placed on the right rear, between the fuel filler and taillight. The final GT-350 identification was the side striping, another Brock design.

Like any semi-handbuilt car, there were variations in what ultimately was the 562-car run of '65 GT-350s. Approximately the first 300 examples had the battery relocated to the trunk, until corrosion complaints put an end to that. Two wheels were also available, a stamped steel wheel built by Kelsey-Hayes and fitted to all cars at San Jose, or the optional Shelby wheel built by Cragar.

Some of the earliest cars had 15 x 51/2-in. K-H wheels, but this was soon upgraded to 15 x 6 in., including all the Cragars. Press photos and feature cars, including ours, favor the stylish Cragar, and today it's typically assumed that the "mag" was the only Shelby wheel. Records show approximately half the '65 GT-350s were sold with the steel wheels, however, which looked like a station wagon wheel without its hubcap (which it was). All tires were Goodyear Blue Dots, no surprise as Carroll Shelby was a Goodyear distributor, among all his other interests. Measuring 7.75 x 15 in., they were speed-rated to 130 mph. Other variations were made to 14 cars built with full-length tailpipes to meet various state regulations, along with the inevitable supplier changes and oversights on some of the minor equipment.

Of course, with Carroll on the scene nothing ever seemed to be done in the normal way around Shelby American, including picking the new car's name. Shelby tells the tale in the recently revised Shelby American World Registry: "We were sitting at a meeting with a bunch of guys from Ford and a bunch of my people, and nobody could agree on what to name this new car. I was tired of what seemed like an endless series of these damned meetings, so I turned to Phil Remington, who was sitting next to me, and asked him what he thought the distance was between the production shop and the race shop. They were in separate buildings. He said, 'About 350 feet.' So I said, 'That's what we'll call it-the G.T. 350. ' And we did." Car building was much simpler then.

So were the cars. Craig Conley, of El Cajon, California, is a confirmed Shelby-holic and, in keeping with the outgoing extended Shelby family, was generous enough to put me behind the wheel of his unrestored GT-350. Conley's dinged fastback might not have the same photographic appeal as the Dr. Frank Zizzo machine in our photo spread, but it delivers the Shelby experience in pure, unfiltered blasts.

It's the thin, wood steering wheel that reaches across the ages in Conley's car. For all the words in Webster's, it's a twig, smoothed and hardened, yes, but a twig nonetheless. Yielding slightly as you muscle the notchy, heavy steering, its bony rim incongruously like a skeleton's grasp, the wheel instantly links you to a now-past mechanical age. Squirt the throttle once, step on the brick-hard brake and push down the clutch pedal, feeling the bellcrank linkage pivot every angle of the way. Somehow the GT-350 gets inside you, snips your modern electronic hardwiring, leaving just threaded connections. They're all that's needed on a car whose electrical schematic could likely be drawn from memory on a cocktail napkin.

Twist the dash-mounted key, and the engine strikes up the all-steel soundtrack. Ahead, the mechanical valvetrain purrs in a muted rattle, while the exhausts exit nearly where side pipes would, and, surprise, the GT-350's glasspacking sounds exactly like a 289 Cobra. No modern V-8 makes such an elemental noise. Unfettered by catalytic converters and unyielding to modern concepts of social responsibility, the GT-350 exhaust speaks with a clearer precision. It enunciates.

Craig's engine is all original, and he still drives it with determination. Sure, the snap has softened with the miles, but the personality is still rev-happy. Pushed into the 6,000-rpm range, the Shelby scoots, although the younger fuel-injected muscle set would not be overly impressed. Originally high 14- or low 15-second quarter-milers, the GT-350 let its 427 Cobra cousin do the knuckle-dragging.

The wood shift knob is small and levers through tall, longish arcs, and with 3.89 gears in back, the engine just never quits its busyness. Happiest when whipped hard, the GT-350 nags impatiently when asked to cruise. The modern ear aches for a 5th gear as the electric tach bounces well over 3,000 rpm at highway speeds.

Most race-like are the brakes. The effort is manly, the tradeoff being excellent modulation. Outright stopping power is another thing; Conley says that even after a couple of hundred thousand miles, he still has the original shoes in the rear drums. It takes a pair of stops from 100 mph to warm them up, and it doesn't help that heel-and-toeing is next to impossible, thanks to a brake pedal placed too far to the left.

When really going, GT-350 handling is straight from the "more throttle is better" school. These cars absolutely must be steered around corners with the gas, a task made easy by the linear throttle response and long hood. The GT-350 doesn't so much turn beneath you as the hood swings from side to side while the rear asks to be stepped out with the throttle.

In tight corners the live axle and override bars can discuss who is controlling whom, leading to small "step- outs" over the bumps. As Craig pointed out, you quickly learn to anticipate such moves and they don't really add up to much. The same goes for the Detroit locker rear end. Get on and off the gas in a tight corner, and it thunks in and out of action with plenty of force to make itself known, but not enough to cause much need for steering correction. Another locker phenomenon is a clunk when pushing in the clutch at rest, along with an occasional blow of Thor's hammer when starting out in 1st gear and the locker's teeth take a revolution before engaging.

On paper all this sounds like a donkey in a tin barn, but from behind the wheel it's strangely refreshing, like meeting a strong, but engaging personality. Think of it as the mechanical version of a virtual handshake from Carroll himself. That's appropriate too, as the '65 was the GT-350 Carroll Shelby wanted to build, the pure sports machine before the accountants and salesmen trimmed it for four times the sales and higher profits. By 1966 the rear seat had made a comeback, and an automatic transmission option had appeared; the A-arm relocation, locker and overriders were deleted; and by '67 even the headers were gone as Ford maneuvered the Shelby into a luxury-sports model. GT-350 sales eventually spilled into the 1970 model year, but purists regard the '67s as the last true examples of the marque. The only two improvements found in the '66 car were the Plexiglas rear-quarter windows that have come to signify the Shelby Mustang, and functional rear brake scoops.

Like nearly everything else Shelby did with Ford, the '65 GT-350 did its job and a few laps extra. Most important, the 37 R-Models ran off with the B Production championship in 1965, 1966 and 1967 and, bolstered by numerous magazine road tests of the street cars, quickly created the Mustang performance image Ford sought. And not too incidentally, Shelby delivered another great sports car in the bargain.

WeVie
03-26-2004, 12:20 PM
Well, I just came back from the car lot with my Mustang. The Ponitac was not a ram air and it did'nt have the WS6 package. The salesman lie to me. Not the one that I was dealing with but the first one that I talked that tried to get me to buy an automatic. YUCK! He can kiss my a$$!!!!!

Oh well. My search continues.

Snickersbps
03-26-2004, 02:04 PM
im glad you walked away from that, sounds screwy. If I had read this post before you went and saw it I could have told you then NEVER put a WS6 package (handling/suspension mostly) on anything but a Trans Am. I believe the Ram Air is a Trans Am special only too, but not too sure about that. Good luck on the search...finding a car is half the fun!

WeVie
03-26-2004, 08:59 PM
Yeah. I thought it was a Trans Am because that is what I was told and before I saw the car I asked for a Carfax and it was listed as a 2000 Pontiac Firebird Fourmula/Trans Am. When I saw that I did'nt think that was what I wanted but I will find one one day.

I think I had some luck today. I stopped at a small car lot and the salesman said he was a "broker" and not a salesman. He got on his computer and showed me how be could bid on all of this live auctions and said he could get me what I wanted $3000 to $4000 dollars cheaper almost to the color. He seemed like a nice guy and legit. I am going to see what he can do and just maybe I will have my car.

themole
03-27-2004, 11:47 PM
Originally posted by WeVie
Yeah. I thought it was a Trans Am because that is what I was told and before I saw the car I asked for a Carfax and it was listed as a 2000 Pontiac Firebird Fourmula/Trans Am. When I saw that I did'nt think that was what I wanted but I will find one one day.

I think I had some luck today. I stopped at a small car lot and the salesman said he was a "broker" and not a salesman. He got on his computer and showed me how be could bid on all of this live auctions and said he could get me what I wanted $3000 to $4000 dollars cheaper almost to the color. He seemed like a nice guy and legit. I am going to see what he can do and just maybe I will have my car.

Be VERY careful WeVie...Or he will broker it off in your arse....:evil: Brokers have to sell to someone.

WeVie
03-28-2004, 12:19 AM
So what do you know about them themole? He seemed like a legit guy. The way it would work is I would sit there with him while the action is going on so I would even see what he has to pay for the car. We would have to agree on a price before he even buys the car so I don't see how I could go wrong there. What do you know that I don't? You seem to know lots about cars and buying cars. Am I missing something.

themole
03-28-2004, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by WeVie
So what do you know about them themole? He seemed like a legit guy. The way it would work is I would sit there with him while the action is going on so I would even see what he has to pay for the car. We would have to agree on a price before he even buys the car so I don't see how I could go wrong there. What do you know that I don't? You seem to know lots about cars and buying cars. Am I missing something.

Usually...at least down here where I live the Broker will charge apprx $600.00 to do what you are talking about. Two rules to buying a car.

1- Don't buy with your heart, That's not to say you can't LIKE the car you're after but remember it's just metal designed to wear out after about ten years. Buy with the attitude that you will be selling it next week and you can't get hurt. You just want your money back...

2- Do your homework and know all there is to know about the car you seek. Especially the value, not what it's worth to you, but what it's worth to the banks. What they loan on the cars is what they are worth. Study the auto trader and learn what the "consumer" value is.

When you go with the broker to the auction make SHURE you put a ceiling on how much you are prepared to spend and make shure the broker understands that. You will be required to pay in full + brokers fee for the car before you are allowed take it home.

Not all car salesmen are bad but remember the "devil is in the details" read your contract over before you sign.

Good Luck

WeVie
03-28-2004, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by themole


Usually...at least down here where I live the Broker will charge apprx $600.00 to do what you are talking about. Two rules to buying a car.

1- Don't buy with your heart, That's not to say you can't LIKE the car you're after but remember it's just metal designed to wear out after about ten years. Buy with the attitude that you will be selling it next week and you can't get hurt. You just want your money back...

2- Do your homework and know all there is to know about the car you seek. Especially the value, not what it's worth to you, but what it's worth to the banks. What they loan on the cars is what they are worth. Study the auto trader and learn what the "consumer" value is.

When you go with the broker to the auction make SHURE you put a ceiling on how much you are prepared to spend and make shure the broker understands that. You will be required to pay in full + brokers fee for the car before you are allowed take it home.

Not all car salesmen are bad but remember the "devil is in the details" read your contract over before you sign.

Good Luck


I know almost everything there is to know about the car and what is year model has been going for. The 2000 that I almost bought was $17560. Not a bad price for what I wanted. It was a very bad price for what the car turned out to be. It only retailed for about $15000. The only thing that I was unsure of is the broker. He told me he made $800 for every car he sold. That was all. The thing about him is he said he would let me sit in with him so I would know the price he payed for the car. Of course we have agreed on a price range and all that stuff already. Thanks for all the advice.

Next question. What is the first thing that I should do to it to make it faster once I finally get my hands on one? :D :evil:

themole
03-28-2004, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by WeVie



I know almost everything there is to know about the car and what is year model has been going for. The 2000 that I almost bought was $17560. Not a bad price for what I wanted. It was a very bad price for what the car turned out to be. It only retailed for about $15000. The only thing that I was unsure of is the broker. He told me he made $800 for every car he sold. That was all. The thing about him is he said he would let me sit in with him so I would know the price he payed for the car. Of course we have agreed on a price range and all that stuff already. Thanks for all the advice.

Next question. What is the first thing that I should do to it to make it faster once I finally get my hands on one? :D :evil:

NOT SO FAST THERE!:evil: Did he discuss with you about the upfront money? In other words you will need the the cost of the car plus sales tax plus his $800 brokers fee.

A car like that should cost you $10000-13000 here in Nth Fl. with the avg.40000 mi. and loaded at the auction.

WeVie
03-28-2004, 10:27 PM
He does'nt want the money up front. I am going to finace the car just like I would at a normal car lot. They cost around $17000 to $20000 here at a car lot IF you can find one. He said he could get it $3000 to $4000 bucks cheaper sooooooo I think I will be ok but I have my eye on him so to speak.

themole
03-28-2004, 10:55 PM
Originally posted by WeVie
He does'nt want the money up front. I am going to finace the car just like I would at a normal car lot. They cost around $17000 to $20000 here at a car lot IF you can find one. He said he could get it $3000 to $4000 bucks cheaper sooooooo I think I will be ok but I have my eye on him so to speak.

Looks like you have it narrowed down to....how much interest you will be paying. I'm assuming the broker wants you to finance at his lot?

Like I said WeVie, the devil is in the details. This is where you need to be careful, I have two friends that have become millionares doing this. One in Atlanta the other in St Augustine. Make sure you aren't getting raped with high interest rates. A bank or credit union would be your best bet unless you plan to blind him with cash.

WeVie
03-28-2004, 11:12 PM
He does'nt finance on his lot but he does have "his own banks" he uses but I have mine as well. I have had a few credit problems in the past which was about five years ago so my credit is between the good and great status again but closer to the good than the great so I am expecting about 8 to 9 percent. While I know that is high that is what you get for being stupid in the past. My payment should range from about $340 to $420 because if I get the 2002 model then that may be a little more costly. I also have'nt decided what I will pay down

themole
03-28-2004, 11:26 PM
Originally posted by WeVie
He does'nt finance on his lot but he does have "his own banks" he uses but I have mine as well. I have had a few credit problems in the past which was about five years ago so my credit is between the good and great status again but closer to the good than the great so I am expecting about 8 to 9 percent. While I know that is high that is what you get for being stupid in the past. My payment should range from about $340 to $420 because if I get the 2002 model then that may be a little more costly. I also have'nt decided what I will pay down

The thing that constitutes a good deal is when both parties walk away happy. looks as though you have a good grip on how this works. Enjoy the T/A

poornate
03-29-2004, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by WeVie
He does'nt finance on his lot but he does have "his own banks" he uses but I have mine as well. I have had a few credit problems in the past which was about five years ago so my credit is between the good and great status again but closer to the good than the great so I am expecting about 8 to 9 percent. While I know that is high that is what you get for being stupid in the past. My payment should range from about $340 to $420 because if I get the 2002 model then that may be a little more costly. I also have'nt decided what I will pay down

Always put down taxes and tags. He can do what is called holding points which is when he gets an approval for 7.9 and gives you 9.9 and he gets to keep the money earned on the other 2 points of interest. What I would suggest is go to your bank and see what you are approved for. Whatever rate they give you, tell him it's 2 points lower and ask him if he can beat it. If he get's a rate that is better than the one you got go with it. He still get's a bonus for finance penetration so he will work hard to get you the best rate. What to consider is the resale value of a car, not what they are selling for retail in your area. The auctions that are set up for consumers to go to are RETAIL auctions. Don't buy the car until you know it's fair market value. It usally is a better idea to go to a dealer and spend the time negotiating a deal on the car you want when you find it in house. if you post your location and the exact car you are looking for I will give you an ammount that you shouldn't exceed in purchasing the particular car you want include options you want and miles. I also need engine size and transmission type. Do not buy a car without a car fax on it. If the dealer will not supply one get the vin # and get your own. It's worth the $10 I promise you. Make sure it was not a rental vehicle and has not had a reported accident. When you look at the vehicle check for overspray which is when the vehicle has been painted and paint has gotten onto a surface that shouldn't have paint on it in a factory paint job.(trim, stickers, tags, etc.) And look inside the doors edges and under the hood to make sure the shade of the paint matches. If a car has had paint work the minimum you should deduct from it's value is 5%. And that is regardless of the extent of the paint that was put on the car. I could go on with advice forever but I'm not going to. If you have any questions though, feel free to ask. P.S.- If you have problems finding the car you are looking for I may be able to help if you are willing to drive to DC....

:)

WeVie
03-29-2004, 10:21 PM
Thanks for all the advice. If you have more I am all ears. Not only do I want a great deal on my car but I am very interested in the car business. I am thinking of trying my hand at becoming a car salesman. Some of those guys make a boat load of money. Are you a car saleman nate?

The car I am looking for is a Trans Am. 2000, 2001, or 2002

V8 5.7 liter 350 engine
Ram air package
Six speed manual Transmission
WS6 preformance and handling package
Air Conditioning
Power Steering
Power Windows
Power Door Locks
Tilt Wheel
Cruise Control
AM/FM Stereo
Single Compact Disc
Premium "Monsoon" Sound
ABS (4-Wheel)
Leather
Power Seat
T-Top Roof
Rear Spoiler
Premium Wheels(The really shiney ones)

Colors of choice in this order: 1. Pewter
2. Silver
3. Black
4. Blue
Interior must be black and leather

I live in Tazewell, VA (http://www.mapquest.com/maps/refreshmap.adp?zo=1&rand=1953)

I have used the Kelly Blue Book website to get an idea of retail and resale prices. Is that a good source or not?

As I said any more advice would be great and I may be willing to make that trip if I can't find what I want soon.

What I want; This one (http://www.pontiac.sk/graphics/gallery/full/2002-Pontiac-Trans-Am.001.jpg)
Or This (http://www.pontiac.sk/graphics/gallery/full/1999ta6.jpg)

fins4o8
03-29-2004, 10:31 PM
use to drive a 98 BMW 328i until i got laid offt. now drive a 90 Honda CRX Si. my next car will probably be a Mini SC.

WeVie
03-29-2004, 10:39 PM
how do you do that with your sig????

poornate
03-29-2004, 11:49 PM
I'll look it up for you tomorrow. I've done sales for a few years. I'm working on appraising as well now. Hopefully going to make a foray into management soon. I do very well at my job, both numbers wise and financially. It's a great job if you are good at it. Very time consuming though and you have to give up your Saturdays. it can be a real bread winner. I used to be a middle school teacher. i made my teaching salary for the year in less than my first four months of sales if that gives you a picture of the rewards the job holds. it is pretty damn hard though. 60% of people who go into the field don't make it past the first year. But if you do it is in the top five jobs in the U.S.A. in average pay.

poornate
03-29-2004, 11:56 PM
BTW Kelly blue book sucks and gives you nowhere near a good appraisal. It's a book for bankers (not car guys) and it's only printed once a year while car values change weekly(if not daily). It is also based heavily off of California auction sales which really mean dick if you're not in Cali. Even the web version is pretty off most of the time. if you want a good idea go to the library or sometimes a Barnes and Nobles and get a Black Book. It's printed once a week and is much more realistic. FYI I used to date a girl from Wytheville and a girl from Saltville (at seperate times mind you) and graduated from Radford University. I've been all up in your area.

WeVie
03-30-2004, 06:15 AM
The broker guy I am talking to sit done with me and also showed me his black book. That was one thing that makes me want to trust him. He even showed me what each price listed was for and everything.

poornate
03-30-2004, 09:06 AM
That's what you needed. After hearing you are in SW VA it may be a regular auction as well. If you've got black book prices and trust the guy then go for it. That's his job to make you happy and help you get a car. If there's something you don't like about the deal you don't have to buy the car anyway.

poornate
03-30-2004, 09:10 AM
Just realize that cars are usally purchased at average book. If is talking about buying the car at clean or extra clean book plus $800 bucks it,s a retail auction and should be avoided.

Justasportsfan
03-30-2004, 02:16 PM
My new ride. Nothing special.

Justasportsfan
03-30-2004, 02:17 PM
Front view.

Justasportsfan
03-30-2004, 02:18 PM
back view

Justasportsfan
03-30-2004, 02:20 PM
;)

WeVie
03-30-2004, 09:30 PM
The thing is is the auctions he gos to so to speak are away from here. He showed me some actions in Dallas, Ohio, Detroit and other places.

WeVie
03-30-2004, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by poornate
Just realize that cars are usally purchased at average book. If is talking about buying the car at clean or extra clean book plus $800 bucks it,s a retail auction and should be avoided.


All I know is he said he should be able to get me a car $3000-$4000 dollars cheaper than the normal car lot. I looked at a 2001 Trans Am just like I want only it was an automatic and they would not come down any less than $19800. He laughed at that price.

I just bought an Eclipse in Febuary. 2001 Gt with 3.0 V6, moon roof, Leather, cd, pw, pl, alarm, 5 speed, silver, cruise, 17 inch wheels, and 23000 miles.

I paid $14600 for the car. How did I do? He said he could have gotten the car for $12000.

WeVie
03-30-2004, 09:55 PM
Originally posted by poornate
I'll look it up for you tomorrow. I've done sales for a few years. I'm working on appraising as well now. Hopefully going to make a foray into management soon. I do very well at my job, both numbers wise and financially. It's a great job if you are good at it. Very time consuming though and you have to give up your Saturdays. it can be a real bread winner. I used to be a middle school teacher. i made my teaching salary for the year in less than my first four months of sales if that gives you a picture of the rewards the job holds. it is pretty damn hard though. 60% of people who go into the field don't make it past the first year. But if you do it is in the top five jobs in the U.S.A. in average pay.


You know where I live so you also know about the jobs here. There are almost none. Right now I make about $50000 an year. That is super good money here but I have to work about 285 hours a month for that. I work on a natural gas drill rig. The work is hard and the hours suck. 12 hours a day with about three hours of travel time to and from work each day. I work 7 to 7. That's two weeks of days and two weeks nights. We switch every two weeks. I only get four days a month off and sometimes we don't get them. We have worked as much as 21 days in a row. Before I worked here I was an assistant manager at Sonic Drive-In making almost no money so the job was hard to turn down with all the money.

The hours a salesman would not bother me at all. I love people and that is one thing that I miss about Sonic. All the peolple. All I see now are the same three ignorant rednecks all the time. I spend more time with them than my hotty wife. I think I would enjoy being a salesman and I think I would be good at it. I am a happy person, very friendly, so on and so forth.

I would love to hear more about the job. The dos and don't and and tips you may have. I think I am going to give it a try when summer time hits but no matter what I do next May my wife will be out of college and then it's my turn. :)

themole
03-31-2004, 12:30 AM
Originally posted by WeVie



You know where I live so you also know about the jobs here. There are almost none. Right now I make about $50000 an year. That is super good money here but I have to work about 285 hours a month for that. I work on a natural gas drill rig. The work is hard and the hours suck. 12 hours a day with about three hours of travel time to and from work each day. I work 7 to 7. That's two weeks of days and two weeks nights. We switch every two weeks. I only get four days a month off and sometimes we don't get them. We have worked as much as 21 days in a row. Before I worked here I was an assistant manager at Sonic Drive-In making almost no money so the job was hard to turn down with all the money.

The hours a salesman would not bother me at all. I love people and that is one thing that I miss about Sonic. All the peolple. All I see now are the same three ignorant rednecks all the time. I spend more time with them than my hotty wife. I think I would enjoy being a salesman and I think I would be good at it. I am a happy person, very friendly, so on and so forth.

I would love to hear more about the job. The dos and don't and and tips you may have. I think I am going to give it a try when summer time hits but no matter what I do next May my wife will be out of college and then it's my turn. :)

Good gosh WeVie! That's some rough hours. I thought the Peabodys had done all the damage they could do in Va. It's time for you to look for something else.

If you are good with people and are able to think on your feet you can make a nice living selling cars "your cars" that is.

The state of Fl. requires you to have a license, a lot with enough room to display at least one car and an office with electricity. That's basically it, you can start slow and sell what you drive, turn a profit, do it again and again until you are able to get someone to floor plan for you.

Like I told you my two friends started by buying basically junkers from the auction, financing them on the lot and made three times in interest what they paid for them at auction. No kidding...the down payment usually covered what they had in the cars. This want make you very popular with those who were expecting a Rolls for $2500 but if it's not you who releaves the fool from his money it will be someone else.

You can also put yourself into position to really help someone when they are desparate for a ride.

WeVie
03-31-2004, 06:42 AM
What is the Peabodys?

Chambers34Phins
03-31-2004, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by Justasportsfan
My new ride. Nothing special.

You just got one of those? I had one of those back in the day.

Justasportsfan
03-31-2004, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by Williams34Phins


You just got one of those? I had one of those back in the day. This is the first model where the seat rocks back n forth. :D

Chambers34Phins
03-31-2004, 12:17 PM
Originally posted by Justasportsfan
This is the first model where the seat rocks back n forth. :D

Very classy :D :eek:

poornate
03-31-2004, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by themole


Good gosh WeVie! That's some rough hours. I thought the Peabodys had done all the damage they could do in Va. It's time for you to look for something else.

If you are good with people and are able to think on your feet you can make a nice living selling cars "your cars" that is.

The state of Fl. requires you to have a license, a lot with enough room to display at least one car and an office with electricity. That's basically it, you can start slow and sell what you drive, turn a profit, do it again and again until you are able to get someone to floor plan for you.

Like I told you my two friends started by buying basically junkers from the auction, financing them on the lot and made three times in interest what they paid for them at auction. No kidding...the down payment usually covered what they had in the cars. This want make you very popular with those who were expecting a Rolls for $2500 but if it's not you who releaves the fool from his money it will be someone else.

You can also put yourself into position to really help someone when they are desparate for a ride.

I've got to disagree. I know people in both sides of the business. Buy here and dealership "franchised" salesmen. If you think you will do well, it's a lot better to be at a franchise. If you have ?'s I can answer.

!PapaCrunk81!
03-31-2004, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by Justasportsfan
Front view.
I always thought you were a little wet behind the ears:goof:

ZOD
03-31-2004, 03:47 PM
1997 Chevrolet S10
2001 Surburban

I'm married so guess which one I drive.

I gave a loaded 2004 Avalanche a test drive just yesterday. I think I'm going to settle for a 2002-03 though. Even with my GM supplier discount, the rebates, and haggling into the holdback it's still too expensive (30,000). The base model is around 25,000. I just can't bring myself to spend that much again (Suburban).

Plus I don't have a wife in the passenger seat with those "I'll give some" eyes saying "I like that truck". :D

Our son will be 16 this year. He inherits the S10.

Chambers34Phins
03-31-2004, 06:13 PM
I'm not a big fan of the avalanche, i mean it mind as well not even have a bed it's like 2 feet long. lol

Chambers34Phins
03-31-2004, 06:13 PM
Lucky boy gettin the s10, I had to pay for my first car, and it was a piece of crap and I loved it. But I moved on up with my new truck haha.

ZOD
03-31-2004, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by Williams34Phins
I'm not a big fan of the avalanche, i mean it mind as well not even have a bed it's like 2 feet long. lol

I wasn't a big fan of the neither. Then they took the "plastic" off of them and they had an asthetic appeal to me. You've got enough space to carry the majority of your normal household jobs along with baseball gear and such and I'll keep hauling the dirt, mulch, and rock in the S10. :D

I know what you mean about the first car thing though.

Datsun 210 here and I had to pay for it. :(

My second car was a 1982 Camaro though :D

Chambers34Phins
03-31-2004, 08:49 PM
Love the old camaro's heh, lucky.

Mine was a 92 subaru legacy, i now have an 02 nissan frontier.

I liked the plastic on the avalanch, I like the look it gives cars and trucks these days. And I like them around the wheel wells of trucks, b/c that is where they get body rot.

ZOD
03-31-2004, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by Williams34Phins
body rot.

Location, location, location......:D

ZOD
03-31-2004, 09:30 PM
Originally posted by poornate

P.S.- If you have problems finding the car you are looking for I may be able to help if you are willing to drive to DC....
:)

I flew to Northern Virginia for my S10. I bought it on Ebay back in 2000. The wife and I made it a three day vacation in DC and drove the truck back.

I'll probably buy my next truck on Ebay or either through Autotrader. I'll fly anywhere and pick it up and make a vacation out of it :D Call me "cheapskate".

poornate
03-31-2004, 09:35 PM
No cheapskate about it. I can often get NICE cars at wholesale prices so I thought I'd offer.

WeVie
03-31-2004, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by poornate


I've got to disagree. I know people in both sides of the business. Buy here and dealership "franchised" salesmen. If you think you will do well, it's a lot better to be at a franchise. If you have ?'s I can answer.


Of course I would start with a deal. Probably Ramey's. They hire all the time and are the second biggest used car dealer in the US. It would be nice to start my own dealership but I need to learn the business before I jump into anything like that.

I have a ton of questions. How do the saleman get paid. I know they only make money if they sale cars but how much per car or is it a percentage of the amount of profit on the car? I other questions are really just how is the best way to be a great salesman? I am sure different people need to hear different things and everything has there own way but do you have any suggestions or pointers.

Here is a famous salesman line I have heard a thousand times. "OK this is my final offer. I can't believe I am going to do this. I can't even get this car for this price." YEAH RIGHT!

Anything you have to offer for advice for me to get started and be a great salesman I would be greatful.

ZOD
03-31-2004, 09:55 PM
Originally posted by poornate
No cheapskate about it. I can often get NICE cars at wholesale prices so I thought I'd offer.

I know what you mean. I just thought I'd convey the level of "savings" in my priority list.

Heck, I called 30 hotels in Miami Beach with my cell phone (free long distance) to barter tickets for hotel stay :D It worked. I even pawned the preseason tickets off on a hotel. Although my wife wasn't to pleased with that one. I told her, "For an "ebay value" of a hundred bucks worth of tickets, three nights at this joint wasn't to bad a deal at all."

Chambers34Phins
03-31-2004, 11:25 PM
Originally posted by ZOD


Location, location, location......:D

lmfao

dolfan06
04-01-2004, 01:51 AM
Originally posted by WeVie
What kind of car do you guys have? What is your dream car? Right now I have a 2001 Eclipse GT and a 1995 Mustang GT.

I think that I am going to trade the Mustang this weekend for a 2000 Trams Am with ram air and a six speed. One of these days when I am rich I am going to buy a Dodge Viper. That is my dream car by far.2001 Eclipse GT (http://www.kbb.com/VehicleJPegs/BHMIECLGT017.jpg) 1995 Mustang GT (http://www.kbb.com/VehicleJPegs/BCFOMUSGTCPE952.jpg) 2000 Trans Am (http://www.kbb.com/VehicleJPegs/BCPOFIRRAM001.JPG) Dodge Viper (http://www.kbb.com/VehicleJPegs/BRDOVIP041.JPG) right now, i have a 1990 bonneville and a 2000 dodge ram, diesel!;)

Justasportsfan
04-01-2004, 12:02 PM
Anyone go to auctions. I've looking to go to one just to get a winter car for next year but don't have a dealer license. Public auctions suck.

Chambers34Phins
04-01-2004, 12:59 PM
Here is my ride.... minus all the cool stuff he has, and my truck has grey over the wheel wells and front bumper instead of the same color as the truck, i think it gives it better definition. But regaurdless this is how I want my truck to look when I am finished.

http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif

Chambers34Phins
04-01-2004, 01:00 PM
how can i resize that to fit? That is going to get annoying......

Justasportsfan
04-01-2004, 01:45 PM
Sweet!!!!

poornate
04-01-2004, 10:22 PM
Originally posted by Justasportsfan
Anyone go to auctions. I've looking to go to one just to get a winter car for next year but don't have a dealer license. Public auctions suck.

What you want Bro Man?

dolfan06
04-01-2004, 10:38 PM
and the trailer

Justasportsfan
04-02-2004, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by poornate


What you want Bro Man? Isuzu rodeo, Nissan Pathfinder, Sentra, Maxima, corolla, mostly japanese in the $3000 price range.

WeVie
04-02-2004, 09:31 PM
That is a hard price range to hope for I would say. What year models are you looking for?

Justasportsfan
04-03-2004, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by WeVie
That is a hard price range to hope for I would say. What year models are you looking for? 95 and up. It's only for the winter. In Florida, 300 can get you anywhere from a 93 to 97 Altima w/ just less than 100 ,000 miles , not rust and perfect condition for that price.
It's alll over the autotrader. I just didn't want to have to drive from Florida to Upstate ,NY but will If I have to this summer.

WeVie
04-03-2004, 09:50 PM
I see. I assumed you were looking for a newer one but that still seems pretty cheap compared to prices here. Maybe I should start looking for the Trans Am father away.

Justasportsfan
04-03-2004, 10:48 PM
Originally posted by WeVie
I see. I assumed you were looking for a newer one but that still seems pretty cheap compared to prices here. Maybe I should start looking for the Trans Am father away.



Price $2,900
Mileage 95,250
Exterior Color Silver
Interior Color Grey
Body Style Sedan
Doors Four Door
Engine 4 Cylinder Gasoline
Trans. Automatic
Stereo AM/FM Stereo Tape
Fuel Type Gasoline
Drive Type 2 wheel drive


Cars like these are a dime a dozen in Fla. 100,000 miles is nothing for a japanese car. Sentras have been rated as practically the most reliable car although resale value sucks w/c is good for someone like me who's looking for just a car to drive in the winter.

This is priced at 2,900 from a dealer but would cost way less if bought in an auction.

My bro. in Orlando got a 1996 BMW mint for 3000 in an aution.

WeVie
04-06-2004, 05:42 AM
I found one on Ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2471417666&category=6427&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AIT&rd=1) . All I can say is WOW! What do you think about buying one from Ebay. Normally I won't mind but this guys has no feedback at all.

Justasportsfan
04-06-2004, 10:05 AM
seems like it's got a 100,000 extended warantee. Actually that's where I got my car and after 1 year, no problems. Sometimes it will say, highest bidder get's to inspect the car prior to purchase.

Be careful though, it says it's been taken to the track twice which means this guy floors the gas every now and then. Eamil the seller for more info.

SuavePhin
04-06-2004, 07:00 PM
i am being tempted by a 01 Mustang.........help!:eek:

WeVie
04-06-2004, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by Justasportsfan
seems like it's got a 100,000 extended warantee. Actually that's where I got my car and after 1 year, no problems. Sometimes it will say, highest bidder get's to inspect the car prior to purchase.

Be careful though, it says it's been taken to the track twice which means this guy floors the gas every now and then. Eamil the seller for more info.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing about him taking it to the track. He said I could look at the car before purchase but of course he lives in Texas and I live in Virginia. It's 1136 miles apart.

I applied for an Ebay Motors loan last night and was approved for up to 23000 and some change. I think Ebay will be the cheapest way to go as long as I be careful on what I bid on.

WeVie
04-09-2004, 08:44 PM
He sold that one already. Hey poornate! Do you have any up your way for sale?