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04-01-2004, 07:46 AM
Patriots hitch up Traylor and prepare to move


"The Patriots have negotiated a standing offer with the Detroit Lions to acquire the sixth overall pick in the draft in exchange for four picks, including their two first-round selections, according to an industry source. The way the deal reportedly would work is if the target of the Patriots' affection is still on the board when the Lions are ready to select at No. 6, the Lions would trade their first-round choice, as well as a fourth-round pick (No. 105), to New England for the Patriots' two first-round picks (Nos. 21 and 32), one of its second-round choices (either No. 56 or 63), and a fourth-round pick (No. 113).

The deal would be contingent on 6-foot-2-inch, 230-pound University of Miami safety Sean Taylor still being on the board. The chance exists that the Washington Redskins, who pick fifth, could grab Taylor to fill a gaping hole in their secondary, but they might choose instead to go after his teammate, All-America tight end Kellen Winslow."

I truly don't believe it myself. The draft is way too deep to give up all that for one player. If Ty Law is part of this deal that would put the Patriots back in rebuilding mode. I have a feeling Law won't be a Patriot this upcoming season.


Jimmy James
04-01-2004, 07:57 AM
If this is an April Fool's joke, it's a really curious one.

04-01-2004, 08:14 AM
There is a lot of talk about the Pats trading up. Sean Taylor is the man that they want - thats no secret. We shall see.

04-01-2004, 08:20 AM
If this is true , is it a knee-jerk reaction to Boston becoming a Dolphin? Me thinks the Pats are nervous about our passing attack. I hope they do it and Taylor is a bust. I would rather have the picks they have now then trade them for one pick.


04-01-2004, 08:47 AM
I disagree, dolfanrar, I would rather see the Pats trade up. New England has proven extremely proficient at turning quantity into quality when it comes to draft picks. They've built their mini-dynasty on having lots of depth and quality everywhere, rather than around a couple superstars.

04-01-2004, 08:49 AM
They have been fans of Taylor long before Boston arrived.

04-01-2004, 09:08 AM
so if this goes through, they have taylor and harrison, thats a nice combo of 2 starting S in this league.... :eek:

04-01-2004, 09:34 AM
Any GM that trades that much for a free safety should have their head examined.

I hope this is true.

04-01-2004, 09:37 AM
I hope it's true as well. I'd rather the Pats have 2 shots in the great crap shoot that is the NFL draft in the first two rounds than 4.

Jimmy James
04-01-2004, 09:38 AM
What I don't get is why not make this offer to the Giants instead of the Lions. I see the chance that Washington will take Taylor as a big one. If the Patriots are overpaying (and I think they probably are), why wouldn't the Giants be happy to do this. It's not like the Giants are one tackle away from greatness...

04-01-2004, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by dolfanrar
I hope they do it and Taylor is a bust.

I resent this and Sean does too!! Sean will NOT be a bust, he is more ready for the NFL than people can imagine! NOw that he read this, he said he WILL prove you wrong.

04-01-2004, 09:51 AM
I think this is an April Fools joke. Its dated April 1st, so it qualifies, and journalists are usually given some leeway by local papers to do April Fools stuff...remember last year for us it was that kicker being signed to replace Mare.

I don't know what I feel about it if its true. I guess it would be a good thing, because I dont think Sean Taylor is worth trading all those picks for him. Its one thing if you already have the #6 pick and you take him. Its another thing if you give up #6 pick value in other picks to get him. But I do think Taylor could be the best defensive player in the draft and you know Belichick would use the kid the right way too like Dallas uses Roy Williams and Baltimore uses Ed Reed.

I had previously heard that the Pats liked Larry Fitzgerald and Steven Jackson. Guess not.

04-01-2004, 10:12 AM
if it is not an april fools joke... look at how much theyd be giving up, i hope this would put to rest all those dreams of us acquiring the top pick for simply two first rounders, if we got one from wale

04-01-2004, 10:20 AM
I thought they were gonna trade up for one of the top WRs.

In that case mike williamws, roy williams or fitz will definitely be available.

the pats also would like wilfork to be thei9r new ted washington

and would love a back like jackson

04-01-2004, 10:49 AM
Initially, you'd hope this is true (although you'd rather it not be for Taylor).

While the Pats would be getting a great player, they'd only be getting one great player, instead of four really good ones.

But they're coming off a Super Bowl title. So it isn't as if they need help in a lot of places. So they can probably afford to trade picks for a great player they covet. Also, all those picks would cost some money. And fitting them all into the rookie salary pool would be tough.

Plus, New England would still have a #2, a #3, and two #4's (IIRC). So it isn't as if their draft would be bare.

04-01-2004, 01:41 PM
Ty law could be sent off for a pick to make up for 1 of the #1 pics?
also Poston started bad mouthing Belichick yesterday I think this
could be a done deal.

04-01-2004, 02:04 PM
This story broke in the Detroit Free Press yesterday and Borges' article was in todays paper.

Lions' high pick may bring offers for draft trades

Talk of possible swap with Pats
March 31, 2004


PALM BEACH, Fla. -- With seven draft picks in the first four rounds -- including Nos. 21 and 32 overall -- New England coach Bill Belichick is interested in trading up in the NFL draft next month.

And with just six picks in the entire draft -- including the No. 6 pick in the first round -- Lions coach Steve Mariucci is a target for trade offers.

"We've had some conversations with Bill," Mariucci said Tuesday. "They're the only team that has two in the first round. When you look to trade back, you always look at who's got two first-round picks. That's who you look at first.

"I've spoken with Bill, Matt has spoken with Bill, we've spoken with several people with several teams about moving. That's what goes on now."

But for the talent-starved Lions, coming off a 5-11 season with only 10 wins in the last 48 games, a simple two-for-one deal just isn't good enough.

"One concern is moving from six to 21," Mariucci said. "That's a drop, a pretty good drop. You wouldn't do it just for those two picks; it would require more."

The ideal trade for Mariucci and president Matt Millen would drop them only four to six slots in the first round and would land them at least one more draft pick, preferably in the first or early second round.

"That would be a pretty good scenario, I suppose," Mariucci said. "You could certainly get one of those good receivers. It just depends.

"If you have to drop to 21 and 32, you've got to get that for sure -- and then, what else besides that? What other draft pick or picks -- or player -- goes with it? Then you consider that."

The lure of getting the sixth-best player in the draft is a strong factor for a team lacking star power since the retirement of running back Barry Sanders in 1999.

But the alternative -- landing two, three or more solid players who could play 8-10 years -- also is appealing for the Lions, who seemingly have done well in free agency but still have needs at linebacker, guard, running back, wide receiver, tight end, safety and pass rusher.

If the Lions make any kind of deal it probably will not happen until draft day on April 24, probably not until they are on the clock with 15 minutes to make a selection or make a trade.

If they're interested in giving up the No. 6 pick, there's a good chance Belichick will listen.

"I think we have enough draft picks to be able to move if we want to move," he said. "It depends on who you're moving for, what you want to do with that move. I don't think you want to move just to move, but if there's something specific you want to do, we might have the opportunity to do that."

04-01-2004, 07:10 PM
miami.theinsiders.com is reporting that the Patiots are close to a deal with the number 6 pick to pick up Sean Taylor from the University of Miami. This sucks guys. I'm not making this up, they have a report down the page that says the two teams are dicussing the trade.

04-01-2004, 07:15 PM
We know, but Belichik is denying it.

Patriots | Belichick Denies Rumored Draft Swap W/ Lions - from www.KFFL.com
Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:59:17 -0800

Updating a previous report, Bryan Morry, of Patriots.com, reports New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick issued a firm denial of the rumored draft trade between the Patriots and Detroit Lions that would involve the team's two first round picks, a second and a fourth to the Lions for the sixth overall pick and Detroit's fourth rounder. "We definitely would not consider that," Belichick said. As previously reported, however, Belichick would not rule out the possibility of trading up in the draft to obtain a coveted player.

04-01-2004, 07:19 PM
Sean Taylor is going to be a stud safety in this league. He would be a great addition. However, the Patriots really need a RB, and by making this trade, they would not get the RB that they need.

I like this trade for the Lions because they have a lot of holes and they could use the extra picks. I also think that Taylor would be a great addition for the Patriots. It makes sense for both teams, but I kind of like it from a Dolphins perspective because I thought the Patriots would draft a RB in the first round which would make their offense scarier, and now that won't happen.

I'm trying to focus on the positives, but I don't like the site of Sean Taylor in a Patriots jersey.

04-01-2004, 07:19 PM
If its true....crap, lol.

04-01-2004, 07:19 PM
I never heard this before, where have I been? I'd hate for them to get Taylor one of my favorite all time UM players.

04-01-2004, 07:22 PM

04-01-2004, 07:33 PM
Oh no!..If the Pats get Taylor they might have a great defense and they might contend for a Superbowl...uh oh.

Chisel Monkey
04-01-2004, 07:47 PM
There is no sure thing I'd rather see the pats loose a slew of picks.

04-01-2004, 08:02 PM
...My favorite Cane and player in the Draft... a rivaled patsie...

Please god no!

04-01-2004, 08:03 PM
Originally posted by Chisel Monkey
There is no sure thing I'd rather see the pats loose a slew of picks.

I agree

04-01-2004, 08:04 PM
Time to start the "Sean Taylor to Washington" Bandwagon. :tongue:

04-02-2004, 12:43 AM
Originally posted by ChambersOwnz84
Time to start the "Sean Taylor to Washington" Bandwagon. :tongue: :lol: