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ZOD
06-03-2004, 04:42 AM
Could everyone get involved here a list the terms that various sects of society deem offensive?

Please because I don't want guys like Seau to be railroaded anymore. Most would call it common sense. I say they are the people that lack a sense of humor if not humility.


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-seau03jun03,0,5339843.story?coll=sfla-dolphins-front

Clumpy
06-03-2004, 04:59 AM
He used an inappropriate term :down:

Phinz
06-03-2004, 05:13 AM
People need to not be so damn sensitive, all they do is cry about certain words. I mean who really cares what people say, besides normally if you get offended by these words you normally are what ever the saying that is being said (not always but most of the time). You could make a list like that but then people would cry about it being offensive.

gunn34
06-03-2004, 05:30 AM
:shakeno:

themole
06-03-2004, 06:20 AM
People need to not be so damn sensitive, all they do is cry about certain words. I mean who really cares what people say, besides normally if you get offended by these words you normally are what ever the saying that is being said (not always but most of the time). You could make a list like that but then people would cry about it being offensive.

I totally agree! I'm one that is sick of this PC world that has been created.

t2thejz
06-03-2004, 06:25 AM
ohh jesus... give me a break, dumb article

CirclingWagons
06-03-2004, 06:51 AM
I agree with mole. PC is ruining this country. And **** all you PC robots out there. So he said, "******"...excuse me while i **** myself in awe. God, how ****ing soft can these mother****ers get. **** the (PC)Police :shakeno:

WestCoastPhins
06-03-2004, 07:00 AM
I take offense to this conversation. There has been much to much cursing. I feel that you violated my rights. Oh wait no you didnt, you made a statement.

Big deal so he said somthing someone didnt agree with. If he meant it spitfully I would see what they are complaining about. But he said it in a quote for one, and two he didnt direct it at homosexuals.

All we need now is some idiot to say he is offended by the word "The". Are we going to strike that word from our vocabulary too. Ugh all this Political Correctness is stupid.

Ohiophinphan
06-03-2004, 07:06 AM
Keep in mind there was a Lauderdale politician there who has made a name for himself as a gay rights activist. If he doesn't whine he loses votes. It was a dumb thing to say, he has apoligized, its done.

carolinafinatic
06-03-2004, 08:09 AM
Whatever happened to "sticks and stones"

Scrap
06-03-2004, 08:28 AM
He shouldn't apologize to anyone. If he used the word "love", someone probably would say he's a fa-got. That doesn't mean he wants to hurt anyone who's homosexual. He spoke the truth. No shame in that.

chevysales
06-03-2004, 08:30 AM
He used an inappropriate term :down:


don't be so sensitive.
political correctness left with the clinton administration...if not for a large gay community in south florida this would have fallen under the radar as it should have. no story here.

Scrap
06-03-2004, 08:36 AM
if not for a large gay community in south florida

You're really setting us up for some bad "dolfan" jokes here. ;)

MNFINFAN
06-03-2004, 08:42 AM
You're really setting us up for some bad "dolfan" jokes here. ;)
Yeah but they are all Bills and Jets fans.

fin-atic
06-03-2004, 08:56 AM
Wel I disagree with you guys. Those "too sensitive" people are only that way because they are conditioned that way. A quick story, I managed and opened a large hotel casino and hotel in Wisconsin for an Indian tribe. It was a $45M project. My comany was contracted to come in, supervise the cosntruction and opening, and then teach them how to operate it. We then go away and leave the jobs for the tribe. During that year and a half I was there, I was the minority. I was working within a fabric of a society that tolerated me, but looked down on me only because of who I was, a white man. I attended various functions and meetings and heard various terms such as "the white man can't be trusted" or "the white man takes our money" over and over again. I was being discriminated against. Some of the indians were nice and very different. Some became firends. But there were plenty who would not even exchange conversation with you because of who I was. Some hated me for the color of my skin and the history of my ancestors. For the first time I knew what it must be like to be a member of a discrminated segment of our world. You do feel it. And it affects you. It makes you bitter.

It doesn't matter if you are black,or female, or gay, or whatever. When you are singled out and slighted because of who you are it is demeaning.

Maybe the answer is not for them to "stop being so sensitive" and the rest of us start being "more sensitive" and quit thinking that a quick joke or stupid comment is worth demeaning someone. Once you walk in their shoes it really does make sense.

FinfanInBuffalo
06-03-2004, 09:05 AM
It is remarkable how stupid some people can be. There is no way that Seau is not aware that the word he used is considered offensive.

He had many other choices that would not have been offensive. I'm not the kind of person who gets offended by such things, but I am the type that questions the mental capacity of those who make the statements.

NathanHunt
06-03-2004, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by fin-atic

Wel I disagree with you guys. Those "too sensitive" people are only that way because they are conditioned that way. A quick story, I managed and opened a large hotel casino and hotel in Wisconsin for an Indian tribe. It was a $45M project. My comany was contracted to come in, supervise the cosntruction and opening, and then teach them how to operate it. We then go away and leave the jobs for the tribe. During that year and a half I was there, I was the minority. I was working within a fabric of a society that tolerated me, but looked down on me only because of who I was, a white man. I attended various functions and meetings and heard various terms such as "the white man can't be trusted" or "the white man takes our money" over and over again. I was being discriminated against. Some of the indians were nice and very different. Some became firends. But there were plenty who would not even exchange conversation with you because of who I was. Some hated me for the color of my skin and the history of my ancestors. For the first time I knew what it must be like to be a member of a discrminated segment of our world. You do feel it. And it affects you. It makes you bitter.

fin-atic... I totally agree. However, the other argument has valid points... and I agree with them as well.

I have grown to understand the world is a fence. It firmly divides. To live in the world, we must at times, ride the fence.

I agree in certain situations that offensive tones, words and ideas that lead to discrimination or the segregation of a person or group of people is wrong. However, as humans we cling to our heritage, ethnicity and beliefs to identify ourselves as individuals. Those same actions indirectly single ourselves out to the crowd. In order to be a fabric of the world quilt, we must identify and endure the very differences that make us individual.

I believe attacking people for those differences is wrong. However, I also believe the systematic brain washing of society to be politically correct also discriminates and is wrong. We are punishing the entire whole of society for the wrong doings of a few. In many situations, that is profiling. Maybe not racial profiling, but the profiling of humanity.

It does not allow for humanity to make the right choice. Instead, it simply says, "all humans discriminate and must be reprogrammed". What if I or anyone else has never discriminated against someone. Yet, I am told by society I should not treat others based on their color, ethnicity or group affiliations. I never did. Yet, I must bear the burden of responsibility as if I did.

Society, as a whole, does not do a very good job of holding individuals responsible for their actions. However, they do a very good job of eliminating rights and creating policies to police people who have never committed a wrong.

I completely understand people who have a disgust for the politically correct world. Why should they change themselves when they have done no wrong. Why should the world change to accomodate a small group. If the goup wishes to exist, they should exist in the world they live in.

If the pc world is to reign over us, then I wish to be given special treatment for being me. I am the only me in the world. I am an individual who is not receiving special treatment for being me. I should not be singled out, but I should receive recognition.

I'm sorry, it doesn't happen that way. As a member of humanity, I must take the good with the bad. It is my expectations to expect no special treatment and my responsibility to give respect to others. It is quite a humble world we live in.

It is time the world stop demanding special treatment and start giving respect to ALL.

As I said before, I see both sides.

Scrap
06-03-2004, 09:31 AM
Originally posted by fin-atic


fin-atic... I totally agree. However, the other argument has valid points... and I agree with them as well.

I have grown to understand the world is a fence. It firmly divides. To live in the world, we must at times, ride the fence.

I agree in certain situations that offensive tones, words and ideas that lead to discrimination or the segregation of a person or group of people is wrong. However, as humans we cling to our heritage, ethnicity and beliefs to identify ourselves as individuals. Those same actions indirectly single ourselves out to the crowd. In order to be a fabric of the world quilt, we must identify and endure the very differences that make us individual.

I believe attacking people for those differences is wrong. However, I also believe the systematic brain washing of society to be politically correct also discriminates and is wrong. We are punishing the entire whole of society for the wrong doings of a few. In many situations, that is profiling. Maybe not racial profiling, but the profiling of humanity.

It does not allow for humanity to make the right choice. Instead, it simply says, "all humans discriminate and must be reprogrammed". What if I or anyone else has never discriminated against someone. Yet, I am told by society I should not treat others based on their color, ethnicity or group affiliations. I never did. Yet, I must bear the burden of responsibility as if I did.

Society, as a whole, does not do a very good job of holding individuals responsible for their actions. However, they do a very good job of eliminating rights and creating policies to police people who have never committed a wrong.

I completely understand people who have a disgust for the politically correct world. Why should they change themselves when they have done no wrong. Why should the world change to accomodate a small group. If the goup wishes to exist, they should exist in the world they live in.

If the pc world is to reign over us, then I wish to be given special treatment for being me. I am the only me in the world. I am an individual who is not receiving special treatment for being me. I should not be singled out, but I should receive recognition.

I'm sorry, it doesn't happen that way. As a member of humanity, I must take the good with the bad. It is my expectations to expect no special treatment and my responsibility to give respect to others. It is quite a humble world we live in.

It is time the world stop demanding special treatment and start giving respect to ALL.

As I said before, I see both sides.Great post. I agree with it completely.

Scrap
06-03-2004, 09:41 AM
This all makes me think of something....I've been discriminated against before, because I'm a white man. Hearing a white man say he has been discriminated against is taken less seriously than if it was a woman, minority, or homosexual saying they are being discriminated against.

DrAstroZoom
06-03-2004, 09:44 AM
As many of you can probably attest, I loathe political correctness with a passion. That said, Seau's remarks were unnecessary, awkward and, ultimately, inexcusable.

Justasportsfan
06-03-2004, 09:44 AM
I am/was a Seau admirer for being a warrior but it was the wrong choice. We do not take offense to it because we are not gay (speaking for myself at least). The words he used was a derogatory word for homosexual just like the "N" word for blacks, the "C" word for Asians etc. Had he used the word "gay" instead, it would have changed the entire context.

Scrap
06-03-2004, 09:52 AM
I don't think the words we use are offensive when they aren't meant to be.

I've heard blacks call themselves the N word, and my ex girlfriends uncle is gay and he calls his friends fa--ots.

I doubt Seau was trying to put them down when using that word, so IMO,it should be taken lightly.

phinman1
06-03-2004, 10:04 AM
The only people you don't have to be politically correct about are white males. They are fair game, everybody else is off limits. In that same vein, if I see one more woman beating a man in a sport in a commercial, I'll puke.

Maggot Brain
06-03-2004, 10:09 AM
This whole thread is gay so let's please put it to bed.

saves
06-03-2004, 10:09 AM
Is it in the constitution that you are protected from being offended? Give me a break guys, it's sticks and stones. No one is making anyone to listen to the man, he said it in front of a group of his friends and family. If any of you saw or heard what he said, that is because you sought it out, it was not forced on you.

miamirick
06-03-2004, 10:13 AM
Yes Seau's remarks were stupid...a person in such a public position should know not to use those words....however...I would venture to say that 75% of those who blast him and others for making such remarks are hypoctrites that probably say those very same things behind closed doors....including the azz that wrote that article that will just add fuel to the flame...

I am a hispanic male, born and raised in the US and yes, I do see discrimination from time to time...It sucks..

One poster wrote...what ever happened to sticks and stones?? Well, this country has become: "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will devastate my inner child and leave me crippled and make me commit suicide and ......well you get the picture."

bigmiamifan
06-03-2004, 10:15 AM
It's because he used a derogatory word that has a history of negatively labeling gays. If he would have said gay or homosexual the reaction may different. It isn't so much the subject as it is the words. Not everyone is sensitive, but some are. Because of that, we need to be more sensitive and respectful towards others.

pigskinguy
06-03-2004, 10:23 AM
This is just another case of people (the media and the PC police) blowing something out of proportion because they have nothing else to talk or b-itch about.
Now, can we please get back to talking football on this football board.

DrDevice
06-03-2004, 10:25 AM
A linebacker using harsh language, we wouldn't want that now would we?

Let's ask Greg Lloyd, hey Greg, what do you think of this?

"MAN, SUCK IT. I'LL TEAR YOUR F$@%$ HEAD OFF... KOME(filter says i'm trying to link? ya'll are strict) AT ME AGAIN AND I'LL KNOCK YOUR A$$ INTO NEXT WEEK."

Thank you, Greg. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

NathanHunt
06-03-2004, 10:25 AM
pigskinguy, if you don't mind me calling you pig...

have you taken your meds today?

:)

pigskinguy
06-03-2004, 10:31 AM
pigskinguy, if you don't mind me calling you pig...

have you taken your meds today?

:)

What?

rafael
06-03-2004, 10:40 AM
Seau used an inappropriate word in a public speech. As a result he was taken to task for it. If you're a public figure making a public speech there are certain things you shouldn't say. He violated that and he was told he should apologize. Then he did. Nobody has overreacted or blown this out of proportion. Seau made a mistake and the response from all parties was appropriate. The only overreactions I see are from some posters here.

NathanHunt
06-03-2004, 10:40 AM
You just seem to be suffering from FOOTBALL WITHDRAWAL!

j/k

pigskinguy
06-03-2004, 10:44 AM
You just seem to be suffering from FOOTBALL WITHDRAWAL!

j/k

I am. Luckily I live in Canada and have the CFL starting in a couple of weeks. I know, it's not real football but it'll have to do. It's like if you're starving and someone tosses you a soda cracker, you will eat it and think it is the best food ever. Well, the CFL is my soda cracker.

ltfinfan
06-03-2004, 10:45 AM
i am affended by all this posting

pigskinguy
06-03-2004, 10:46 AM
Seau used an inappropriate word in a public speech. As a result he was taken to task for it. If you're a public figure making a public speech there are certain things you shouldn't say. He violated that and he was told he should apologize. Then he did. Nobody has overreacted or blown this out of proportion. Seau made a mistake and the response from all parties was appropriate. The only overreactions I see are from some posters here.

I am not saying the word is not inappropriate, but it is getting WAY more attention than it needs. Thus, it is being blown out of proprtion.

PhinstiGator
06-03-2004, 10:50 AM
It's unfortunate that Junior used the wrong word. The first part of his statement gets buried and the controversial non-pc stuff becomes the story.

"You have to understand. In that locker room, there is no color barrier. We do not have a color barrier. We are a unit that cares. The reason I say cares is because it's so hard to let things go when you care.

"I would say love and everybody would say you're a f___t, but I'm not. We care in that locker room. My feminine side might come out once in a while, but I'm telling you, there is a lot of love in that locker room."

Junior wasn't trying to make a anti-**** statement. He was trying to say that inside that locker room are a group of men that care about each other.

How dare Junior Seau slur the homosexual community by associating them with the words "care" and "love". Totally disgusting. Imagine if he would have used the word "q___r". Oh, that word is now less taboo because of a TV show.

Junior has apologized to those who may have been offended. Hopefully, they will forgive him for that slip of the tongue. I'm sure the locker room will offer support to Junior...because they care.

SWS84
06-03-2004, 10:52 AM
It is remarkable how stupid some people can be. There is no way that Seau is not aware that the word he used is considered offensive.

He had many other choices that would not have been offensive. I'm not the kind of person who gets offended by such things, but I am the type that questions the mental capacity of those who make the statements.

Since your such a mental giant, you won't ever have to worry about someone questioning your mental capacity. It's obvious you have never said anything inappropriate or offensive. I'm glad to see there is a least one living person who could withstand the scrutiny the press and the fans give these guys. I know I couldn't.

He said it, relized it was not appropriate, and said he regrets using the word.

It's over!

Steve

pigskinguy
06-03-2004, 11:09 AM
Since your such a mental giant, you won't ever have to worry about someone questioning your mental capacity. It's obvious you have never said anything inappropriate or offensive. I'm glad to see there is a least one living person who could withstand the scrutiny the press and the fans give these guys. I know I couldn't.

He said it, relized it was not appropriate, and said he regrets using the word.

It's over!

Steve

I wish it was that easy and it would be over. But not in this over-sensitive, PC world we live in today.

CirclingWagons
06-03-2004, 11:11 AM
I wish it was that easy and it would be over. But not in this over-sensitive, PC world we live in today.
sad but true
those people need their balls re-attached :shakeno:

saves
06-03-2004, 11:53 AM
I wish it was that easy and it would be over. But not in this over-sensitive, PC world we live in today.
I agree completely


:boohoo:

dolphan39
06-03-2004, 01:04 PM
Seau is an idiot for using the F-g word in public. :shakeno: And this is his 2nd poor decision since joining the Phins. Hard to believe he does not think about PR more after all these years in the league
The incident marked the second time since Seau joined the Dolphins last season that he made what could be considered an offensive comment. When describing how to slow down standout San Diego running back LaDainian Tomlinson before a game last season, Seau said, "You just befriend him. You give him couple of pieces of watermelon, load him up with some fried chicken and say, `Keep eating.'" http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-seau03jun03,0,5339843.story?coll=sfla-dolphins-front

Superself
06-03-2004, 01:48 PM
Wel I disagree with you guys. Those "too sensitive" people are only that way because they are conditioned that way. A quick story, I managed and opened a large hotel casino and hotel in Wisconsin for an Indian tribe. It was a $45M project. My comany was contracted to come in, supervise the cosntruction and opening, and then teach them how to operate it. We then go away and leave the jobs for the tribe. During that year and a half I was there, I was the minority. I was working within a fabric of a society that tolerated me, but looked down on me only because of who I was, a white man. I attended various functions and meetings and heard various terms such as "the white man can't be trusted" or "the white man takes our money" over and over again. I was being discriminated against. Some of the indians were nice and very different. Some became firends. But there were plenty who would not even exchange conversation with you because of who I was. Some hated me for the color of my skin and the history of my ancestors. For the first time I knew what it must be like to be a member of a discrminated segment of our world. You do feel it. And it affects you. It makes you bitter.

It doesn't matter if you are black,or female, or gay, or whatever. When you are singled out and slighted because of who you are it is demeaning.

Maybe the answer is not for them to "stop being so sensitive" and the rest of us start being "more sensitive" and quit thinking that a quick joke or stupid comment is worth demeaning someone. Once you walk in their shoes it really does make sense.


G R E A T post!
I agree 200%!!!

gunn34
06-03-2004, 02:03 PM
Seau is an idiot for using the F-g word in public. :shakeno: And this is his 2nd poor decision since joining the Phins. Hard to believe he does not think about PR more after all these years in the league http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-seau03jun03,0,5339843.story?coll=sfla-dolphins-front

I was going to mention that this was his 2nd one in two years, but you beat me to it.

ltfinfan
06-03-2004, 02:09 PM
maybe he was using the english term for cigarrettes

CirclingWagons
06-03-2004, 02:12 PM
maybe he was using the english term for cigarrettes
""I would say love and everybody would say you're a cigarette, but I'm not."

:hmmm: i guess that might work :confused:



j/k man

ltfinfan
06-03-2004, 02:17 PM
""I would say love and everybody would say you're a cigarette, but I'm not."

:hmmm: i guess that might work :confused:



j/k man

"sniff" "sniff" smell that.... sarcasm
don't take it so litteral

CirclingWagons
06-03-2004, 02:30 PM
"sniff" "sniff" smell that.... sarcasm
don't take it so litteral
did you not see the "j/k" in there :shakeno:

in case you don't know what means, it's "just kidding"

ltfinfan
06-03-2004, 02:51 PM
did you not see the "j/k" in there :shakeno:

in case you don't know what means, it's "just kidding"


yes i saw it i just wanted to be a smart ***

sorry

FinfanInBuffalo
06-03-2004, 03:01 PM
Since your such a mental giant, you won't ever have to worry about someone questioning your mental capacity. It's obvious you have never said anything inappropriate or offensive. I'm glad to see there is a least one living person who could withstand the scrutiny the press and the fans give these guys. I know I couldn't.

He said it, relized it was not appropriate, and said he regrets using the word.

It's over!

Steve

?? WTF?

Its not a slip of the tongue that was stupid. Its the attitude displayed by his published statement:

In a team-released statement, Seau said Wednesday night, "If any offense were taken, then I certainly will be the first to apologize."

IF ANY OFFENSE WERE TAKEN????????

What a jackass. How can he possibly think that offense wouldn't be taken? He didn't say he regretted using the word. He didn't actually apologize. He stills seems to question if it was an offensive word.

THAT IS STUPID AND IGNORANT.

And that has nothing whatsoever to do with me. So your attempts to turn it around to be my problem are ridiculous.

ZOD
06-03-2004, 03:06 PM
Am I the only one that considers the referenced behavior disgusting?

I'm sitting here reading various posts charging political correctness and defense of an offended group but I see no member that mentions the fact they find the behavior reprehensible.

Call me stone age I guess or just plain stupid. Wouldn't bother me in the least bit. At least I have some sort of conviction though.

If you don't like or agree with something is wrong to say so?

BTW...Seau didn't even say what I just said. He's guilty of not knowing the accepted language of a description of a few.

Check his college transcript. Was that language class even offered?

Section126
06-03-2004, 03:09 PM
I see no ****ing thing wrong with what that mother****** said, and for the most part, all the PC police people can go **** themselves. I could give a **** what the ****ing Sun Sentinel ****ing think. They to can **** my ****, those ******* mother*******, ****suckers.

I do not on the other hand approve of using foul language just to make a point at a ****ing setting like the Dolphins Banquet.

**** you and Have a Nice Day.

inFINSible
06-03-2004, 03:14 PM
One thing I find amusing.... That some people are surprised that a football player may not be all that smart.

Otherwise, I would say stop taking the word out of context. It's not the word itself that's offensive, it's usually the manner in which it is used that is offensive. IMO, while it may have been a poor choice of words, possibly due to a limited vocabulary or slow synapse firings, it was not meant in an offensive way.

It's like getting a present from a child. It may be the most hideous fingerpainting ever but, you hang it on the fridge anyway because the thought behind it was beautiful.

ZOD
06-03-2004, 03:20 PM
humility

\Hu*mil"i*ty\, n.; 1. The state or quality of being humble; freedom from pride and arrogance; lowliness of mind; a modest estimate of one's own worth; a sense of one's own unworthiness through imperfection and sinfulness; self-abasement; humbleness.

It is a virtue.

BigFinFan
06-03-2004, 03:25 PM
Maybe what e said was taken out of context. I have listed one of the definitions for the word ******:

: bind together into a bundle <fagoted>

So - "I would say love and everybody would say you are bound together in a bundle, but I'm not."

That makes more sense!

BlueFin
06-03-2004, 03:25 PM
Wel I disagree with you guys. Those "too sensitive" people are only that way because they are conditioned that way. A quick story, I managed and opened a large hotel casino and hotel in Wisconsin for an Indian tribe. It was a $45M project. My comany was contracted to come in, supervise the cosntruction and opening, and then teach them how to operate it. We then go away and leave the jobs for the tribe. During that year and a half I was there, I was the minority. I was working within a fabric of a society that tolerated me, but looked down on me only because of who I was, a white man. I attended various functions and meetings and heard various terms such as "the white man can't be trusted" or "the white man takes our money" over and over again. I was being discriminated against. Some of the indians were nice and very different. Some became firends. But there were plenty who would not even exchange conversation with you because of who I was. Some hated me for the color of my skin and the history of my ancestors. For the first time I knew what it must be like to be a member of a discrminated segment of our world. You do feel it. And it affects you. It makes you bitter.

It doesn't matter if you are black,or female, or gay, or whatever. When you are singled out and slighted because of who you are it is demeaning.

Maybe the answer is not for them to "stop being so sensitive" and the rest of us start being "more sensitive" and quit thinking that a quick joke or stupid comment is worth demeaning someone. Once you walk in their shoes it really does make sense.
:blah:

Words are just that.......words, its actions that matter more. What was acceptable 20 years ago when Seau was growing up is now considererd offensive by certain groups that really should be more concerned about more important things.......like how the Dolphins are gonna do this season.
If Seau had used the word Homosexual versus the word he chose it would have been ok right? I don't think he meant to make a joke out of it, it was just the word he used and probably always has to describe it, who cares?:boring:

FinfanInBuffalo
06-03-2004, 03:27 PM
Otherwise, I would say stop taking the word out of context. It's not the word itself that's offensive, it's usually the manner in which it is used that is offensive. IMO, while it may have been a poor choice of words, possibly due to a limited vocabulary or slow synapse firings, it was not meant in an offensive way.

I disagree that the word by itself is not offensive. I think it is one of those words that is considered offensive by some, no matter the context.

I agree that Seau was not trying to be offensive, but that doesn't make the statement any less stupid......

As I noted before, I am more bothered by the prepared statement than the initial use of the word.

Scrap
06-03-2004, 03:29 PM
One thing I find amusing.... That some people are surprised that a football player may not be all that smart.

Otherwise, I would say stop taking the word out of context. It's not the word itself that's offensive, it's usually the manner in which it is used that is offensive. IMO, while it may have been a poor choice of words, possibly due to a limited vocabulary or slow synapse firings, it was not meant in an offensive way.

It's like getting a present from a child. It may be the most hideous fingerpainting ever but, you hang it on the fridge anyway because the thought behind it was beautiful.Exactly. He meant no harm in it, so he shouldn't have to apologize, or even defend his statement, IMO. Besides that, he's a football player, he's not running for president....so f--- all the PC bull crap.

FinfanInBuffalo
06-03-2004, 03:30 PM
who cares?

The people who were offended care.

I've seen posters get worked up because someone questioned the Florida education system. I'm sure there are thousands of homosexuals that don't live in Florida that would wonder what the problem was......

FinfanInBuffalo
06-03-2004, 03:38 PM
:blah:

Words are just that.......words, its actions that matter more.

Thats a trite statement that most people don't really mean. If someone walked up to you and your girlfriend/wife and said ... "that is one ugly b****!", would you just walk away. Tell her....they're only words honey....

BlueFin
06-03-2004, 03:39 PM
The people who were offended care.

I've seen posters get worked up because someone questioned the Florida education system. I'm sure there are thousands of homosexuals that don't live in Florida that would wonder what the problem was......To those that were offended I say........ lighten up, he was referring to what he was NOT, not calling somebody else one. I don't see the uproar over the TV show that refers to them as the Q word, certainly that must be just as offensive to them. You can call me anything you want too, its when you take action against me I'll have a problem, I don't let others ignorance bother or offend me.

inFINSible
06-03-2004, 03:43 PM
I disagree that the word by itself is not offensive. I think it is one of those words that is considered offensive by some, no matter the context.

I agree that Seau was not trying to be offensive, but that doesn't make the statement any less stupid......

As I noted before, I am more bothered by the prepared statement than the initial use of the word.
Fair enough, I agree that some people get offended no matter what the context...

But, let's examine the statement for a second.....he didn't say, "... some people would think I'm a f---t"....he said, ".... some people would say I was a f----t.".

The first example would show Jr's ownership of the chosen word. It makes it his thought.

The second example, the one he used, shows that the word is what other people would use. That means it is not necessarily the words he would choose but, the words that others would call him.

I have to agree that, if somone were stupid enough to say something like that to him, they would also be stupid enough to use that exact word.

Does this make sense to anybody but me?...:huh:

PhinstiGator
06-03-2004, 03:45 PM
Junior Apologizes...

STATEMENT FROM LINEBACKER JUNIOR SEAU
"I want to say a few words in terms of what I said yesterday. I'm truly sorry. I apologize to those I offended.

"I'd like to apologize to the group or the people that I offended, the organization of the Miami Dolphins, the players and their families.

"I said some hurtful word and it's a sad day. It really is. What I've tried to do throughout my career and as a person is to be a positive effect on people. A joke that came out last night due to my stupidity is something we have to deal with today. With that I am very sad, and I apologize. I really do. I learned a lesson, I know that. The things we say, the words are very powerful and they can be very hurtful. Because of that I stand here before you and I'd love to answer some questions because obviously it's big thing that needs to be done.

"I'm accountable to what I said. The only thing I can do right now is apologize to those who were hurt by it.

Link to Complete Apology (http://www.miamidolphins.com/pressbox/pressreleases/pressreleases.asp?contentID=3293)

BlueFin
06-03-2004, 03:47 PM
Fair enough, I agree that some people get offended no matter what the context...

But, let's examine the statement for a second.....he didn't say, "... some people would think I'm a f---t"....he said, ".... some people would say I was a f----t.".

The first example would show Jr's ownership of the chosen word. It makes it his thought.

The second example, the one he used, shows that the word is what other people would use. That means it is not necessarily the words he would choose but, the words that others would call him.

I have to agree that, if somone were stupid enough to say something like that to him, they would also be stupid enough to use that exact word.

Does this make sense to anybody but me?...:huh:
Yes, I concur!

BigFinFan
06-03-2004, 03:52 PM
Fair enough, I agree that some people get offended no matter what the context...

But, let's examine the statement for a second.....he didn't say, "... some people would think I'm a f---t"....he said, ".... some people would say I was a f----t.".

The first example would show Jr's ownership of the chosen word. It makes it his thought.

The second example, the one he used, shows that the word is what other people would use. That means it is not necessarily the words he would choose but, the words that others would call him.

I have to agree that, if somone were stupid enough to say something like that to him, they would also be stupid enough to use that exact word.

Does this make sense to anybody but me?...:huh:


I am very scared - I am agreeing with you! :D

FinfanInBuffalo
06-03-2004, 03:57 PM
Junior Apologizes...

STATEMENT FROM LINEBACKER JUNIOR SEAU
"I want to say a few words in terms of what I said yesterday. I'm truly sorry. I apologize to those I offended.

"I'd like to apologize to the group or the people that I offended, the organization of the Miami Dolphins, the players and their families.

"I said some hurtful word and it's a sad day. It really is. What I've tried to do throughout my career and as a person is to be a positive effect on people. A joke that came out last night due to my stupidity is something we have to deal with today. With that I am very sad, and I apologize. I really do. I learned a lesson, I know that. The things we say, the words are very powerful and they can be very hurtful. Because of that I stand here before you and I'd love to answer some questions because obviously it's big thing that needs to be done.

"I'm accountable to what I said. The only thing I can do right now is apologize to those who were hurt by it.

Link to Complete Apology (http://www.miamidolphins.com/pressbox/pressreleases/pressreleases.asp?contentID=3293)


This is a much better way to handle it.

BTW, I don't think anyone (that I'm aware of) is overreacting. I've not heard any calls for his head, etc.

SWS84
06-03-2004, 04:04 PM
?? WTF?

Its not a slip of the tongue that was stupid. Its the attitude displayed by his published statement:

In a team-released statement, Seau said Wednesday night, "If any offense were taken, then I certainly will be the first to apologize."

IF ANY OFFENSE WERE TAKEN????????

What a jackass. How can he possibly think that offense wouldn't be taken? He didn't say he regretted using the word. He didn't actually apologize. He stills seems to question if it was an offensive word.

THAT IS STUPID AND IGNORANT.

And that has nothing whatsoever to do with me. So your attempts to turn it around to be my problem are ridiculous.

Actually, Joe Shad of the Palm Beach Post is reporting that he regretted the comment.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/content/auto/epaper/editions/thursday/sports_04ebdaa77231205a00fb.html

"After the speech in which Seau also talked about how thrilled he is that the South Florida community has embraced him and that he wants to finish his career as a Dolphin, the linebacker told the Miami public relations staff that he regretted the comment."



It is remarkable how stupid some people can be. There is no way that Seau is not aware that the word he used is considered offensive.

He had many other choices that would not have been offensive. I'm not the kind of person who gets offended by such things, but I am the type that questions the mental capacity of those who make the statements.

and in your post you insult Seau's mental capacity because he made a mistake. I was just pointing out that if others came at you with the same standards you use to judge, when you make mistakes, would that be fair? So far, in this thread you insulted his intelligence, and you called him a jackass. Give him some time to come out with a more appropriate official statement and I'm confident he won't disappoint.


Steve

PhinstiGator
06-03-2004, 04:10 PM
This is a much better way to handle it.

BTW, I don't think anyone (that I'm aware of) is overreacting. I've not heard any calls for his head, etc.
I agree that this is a much better way to handle it and take responsibility for his words.

I do believe that it should be clear to everyone that it was NEVER Junior's intention to attack or offend anyone. He messed up and I hope that those who were offended can forgive him and accept him for who he is...one of the leaders on this Miami Dolphins team and someone who really does care about his community.

Words are powerful. They lead to actions. Junior acted to correct his wrong.

CirclingWagons
06-03-2004, 04:19 PM
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inFINSible
06-03-2004, 04:25 PM
I am very scared - I am agreeing with you! :D Stop flirting! :roflmao:

inFINSible
06-03-2004, 04:28 PM
Junior Apologizes...

STATEMENT FROM LINEBACKER JUNIOR SEAU
"I want to say a few words in terms of what I said yesterday. I'm truly sorry. I apologize to those I offended.

"I'd like to apologize to the group or the people that I offended, the organization of the Miami Dolphins, the players and their families.

"I said some hurtful word and it's a sad day. It really is. What I've tried to do throughout my career and as a person is to be a positive effect on people. A joke that came out last night due to my stupidity is something we have to deal with today. With that I am very sad, and I apologize. I really do. I learned a lesson, I know that. The things we say, the words are very powerful and they can be very hurtful. Because of that I stand here before you and I'd love to answer some questions because obviously it's big thing that needs to be done.

"I'm accountable to what I said. The only thing I can do right now is apologize to those who were hurt by it.

Link to Complete Apology (http://www.miamidolphins.com/pressbox/pressreleases/pressreleases.asp?contentID=3293)
How can you not accept that apology?...I'm faklempt....tawk amongst youselves....topic.....CW's trials and tribulations with potty training.

:jk: :tongue:

CharlestonPhan
06-03-2004, 04:29 PM
Fin-atic, since this seems to bother you, and you feel we should all be more sensitive, i gotta tell you brother, maybe the folks you were working with and around while building the hotel were annoyed you dont refer to them as "Native Americans" instead of "Indians," as you did in your post.

and on that topic, American Indians can no longer lay claim to being here before "whitey" (i hope it isnt insensitive of me to use that term, since i am about as white as it is possible to be)... anyone who cares to look, do a google search for "kennewick man" (i think that is the proper spelling) and read about how the various tribes are doing everything in their power to squash scientific finds of caucasoids (including skeletons) that predate the Indian tribes thought to be native to Amerca.

as for me, im not being PC anymore, and i am tired of trying to remember what the latest offended group wants to be called, referred to, or what their agenda is. who has time for all that? there is no constitutional right to not be offended.

CharlestonPhan
06-03-2004, 04:33 PM
geez, im really disappointed in Jr... the only reason garbage likes this becomes a big deal is because people tremble in fear when someone starts whining. if the overwhelming response was; "oh get over it you big baby" when these professional victims started their insipid crying. next time stick up for yourself Jr.

DrAstroZoom
06-03-2004, 04:35 PM
I don't think it's the word itself that is the root issue here, although it is convenient to say so, and the media is going right along by choosing to focus the attention on the "slur."

But let's look at the quote if a politically correct word were substituted:


"We are a unit that cares. The reason I say cares is because it's so hard to let things go when you care.

"I would say love and everybody would say you're a homosexual, but I'm not. We care in that locker room. My feminine side might come out once in a while, but I'm telling you, there is a lot of love in that locker room."

The thought here seems to be: "If I say I love another man, that will have identify me as a homosexual, and I don't want that, because that's bad." And the thought process that made Jr. go out of his way to clarify that is a lot more complex than a slip of the "f word," and more troubling.

I am not gay, and I am not personally offended, but can you see now that the word itself is not the problem?

inFINSible
06-03-2004, 04:43 PM
I don't think it's the word itself that is the root issue here, although it is convenient to say so, and the media is going right along by choosing to focus the attention on the "slur."

But let's look at the quote if a politically correct word were substituted:



The thought here seems to be: "If I say I love another man, that will have identify me as a homosexual, and I don't want that, because that's bad." And the thought process that made Jr. go out of his way to clarify that is a lot more complex than a slip of the "f word," and more troubling.

I am not gay, and I am not personally offended, but can you see now that the word itself is not the problem?I think I'm following what you're saying....the fact that Jr. felt he had to go out of his way to clarify his statement is not to mean that he's homosexual, is because he feels that that is what others would think. And that's the troubling part, right? That others would think that just because he used the word love in reference to other men, he may be gay?

DrAstroZoom
06-03-2004, 04:52 PM
I think I'm following what you're saying....the fact that Jr. felt he had to go out of his way to clarify his statement is not to mean that he's homosexual, is because he feels that that is what others would think. And that's the troubling part, right? That others would think that just because he used the word love in reference to other men, he may be gay?

Yes. The fact that we live in a culture where a football player can't say he loves his teammates without fearing he'll be mocked is a problem.

And THIS is why true Political Correctness infuriates me. By making the "big deal" a word Jr. used, a much larger question is ignored. And getting Jr. to say he's sorry for saying "f****t" isn't going to make the world better for anybody.

csabe
06-03-2004, 05:06 PM
everything has to be politically correct if you are in the spotlight now. If you say the wrong thing they grill you. News meesage, it's a FREE COUNTRY!!! SPEAK YOUR MIND!!!

dolfanreal69
06-03-2004, 05:26 PM
Who cares if people who are immoral and disgusting are offended. I certianly do not. If you worry about what everyone else is doing and saying your not watching your own back yard.

DeDolfan
06-03-2004, 05:39 PM
Could everyone get involved here a list the terms that various sects of society deem offensive?

Please because I don't want guys like Seau to be railroaded anymore. Most would call it common sense. I say they are the people that lack a sense of humor if not humility.


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-seau03jun03,0,5339843.story?coll=sfla-dolphins-front

Zod, it's all about the context of it and how it was meant. unfortunately, in the PC world, all we have are these li'l smiley thingies and that's not even a guarantee either. Seau used the term "******". Actually, he probably just meant it as an identfying thing and not a slur. I'm sure the reason it is deemed offensive is that in it's origin, the context of it was probably said in an demeaning way and it is still viewed as such today. What is it that "****" is offensive to some but "poop" isn't? Again, I figure it's all in the original context. I am white/straight, but I have a ton of black and gay friends. I have no problem with greeting them like "Wut up nigga" or Yo, ******, what's happenin' " or such and they don't have a problem with me doing it either. matter of fact, you should hear what they call me !! :D But by the same token, I would NEVER dream of addressing a black or gay stranger in the same manner either. But that's the best i can decribe my side of it anyway. Now when you're out in public, the best thing I can say is to just use common sense. maybe Seau did err in what he said and it does piss me off alot how the media will just jump on it saying it was a slur or whatever without even considering the context in which it was said. Now if he said it while he was pissed with hellfire in his eyes, then that's something else. It's the same term, yes, but a totally different meaning behind it. iMO, we could do with about 10% of the media we have now. Maybe then, they would be too busy with all the rivial nonsense and stick to the things that matter.

inFINSible
06-03-2004, 06:01 PM
Yes. The fact that we live in a culture where a football player can't say he loves his teammates without fearing he'll be mocked is a problem.

And THIS is why true Political Correctness infuriates me. By making the "big deal" a word Jr. used, a much larger question is ignored. And getting Jr. to say he's sorry for saying "f****t" isn't going to make the world better for anybody.
The Doc goes deep! :lol:

DeDolfan
06-03-2004, 06:06 PM
Yes. The fact that we live in a culture where a football player can't say he loves his teammates without fearing he'll be mocked is a problem.

And THIS is why true Political Correctness infuriates me. By making the "big deal" a word Jr. used, a much larger question is ignored. And getting Jr. to say he's sorry for saying "f****t" isn't going to make the world better for anybody.

You go, Doc!!

themole
06-03-2004, 06:37 PM
I agree with mole. PC is ruining this country. And **** all you PC robots out there. So he said, "******"...excuse me while i **** myself in awe. God, how ****ing soft can these mother****ers get. **** the (PC)Police :shakeno:

It's quite evident that we are raising a nation of wimps! For what I don't know.

No one will ever get me to agree that homosexualality "what a long word, no wonder they resort to the slang" is normal or acceptable. I don't wish them any harm, but I will never defend it nor support anyone politically that does.

As for the PC Police....I have had my share of trouble here with them.

themole
06-03-2004, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by fin-atic


fin-atic... I totally agree. However, the other argument has valid points... and I agree with them as well.

I have grown to understand the world is a fence. It firmly divides. To live in the world, we must at times, ride the fence.

I agree in certain situations that offensive tones, words and ideas that lead to discrimination or the segregation of a person or group of people is wrong. However, as humans we cling to our heritage, ethnicity and beliefs to identify ourselves as individuals. Those same actions indirectly single ourselves out to the crowd. In order to be a fabric of the world quilt, we must identify and endure the very differences that make us individual.

I believe attacking people for those differences is wrong. However, I also believe the systematic brain washing of society to be politically correct also discriminates and is wrong. We are punishing the entire whole of society for the wrong doings of a few. In many situations, that is profiling. Maybe not racial profiling, but the profiling of humanity.

It does not allow for humanity to make the right choice. Instead, it simply says, "all humans discriminate and must be reprogrammed". What if I or anyone else has never discriminated against someone. Yet, I am told by society I should not treat others based on their color, ethnicity or group affiliations. I never did. Yet, I must bear the burden of responsibility as if I did.

Society, as a whole, does not do a very good job of holding individuals responsible for their actions. However, they do a very good job of eliminating rights and creating policies to police people who have never committed a wrong.

I completely understand people who have a disgust for the politically correct world. Why should they change themselves when they have done no wrong. Why should the world change to accomodate a small group. If the goup wishes to exist, they should exist in the world they live in.

If the pc world is to reign over us, then I wish to be given special treatment for being me. I am the only me in the world. I am an individual who is not receiving special treatment for being me. I should not be singled out, but I should receive recognition.

I'm sorry, it doesn't happen that way. As a member of humanity, I must take the good with the bad. It is my expectations to expect no special treatment and my responsibility to give respect to others. It is quite a humble world we live in.

It is time the world stop demanding special treatment and start giving respect to ALL.

As I said before, I see both sides.

NathanHunt..YOU... are a VERY wise man.

themole
06-03-2004, 06:52 PM
Is it in the constitution that you are protected from being offended? Give me a break guys, it's sticks and stones. No one is making anyone to listen to the man, he said it in front of a group of his friends and family. If any of you saw or heard what he said, that is because you sought it out, it was not forced on you.

Very good. The constitution does NOT protect us from being offended. It also was designed for the rights of the INDIVIDUAL not GROUP rights.

SkapePhin
06-03-2004, 07:04 PM
The thing with the word "******" is that until recently people still use it amongst friends as a way to call someone a wimp, p*ssy, dork or whatever.. Kids say it all the time.. I think more recently, the word has gotten out that the word "***" is now on almost the same level as the N word...

I think Seau forgot where he was for a second and got caught up in the moment... I highly doubt he had that written in the speech..

That being said, it was still a dumb thing to say and he should be more careful when speaking in public.. Also, I really dont think Seau is a racist or homophobic person.. Words, especially slang words, carry differenct connotations in certain situations.

FinFan4Life814
06-03-2004, 07:13 PM
Ya know what I've noticed? This whole PC thing is a bigtime double standard, really hypocritical. The way it works now, it seems, is that some kinds of people are perfectly ok to trash, but others are untouchable. For example white people are always ragged on and its perfectly acceptable for white guys to be called "Stupid-A** white boy" or "F**kin Cracker" or whatever else, but as soon as any white guy drops an N-bomb in reference to an african-american, people freak out and say hes a horrible person. Correct me if I'm wrong but, if racial slurs are going to be considered offensive, shouldnt it apply to ALL the races?

CharlestonPhan
06-03-2004, 08:24 PM
"One thing I find amusing.... That some people are surprised that a football player may not be all that smart.

while it may have been a poor choice of words, possibly due to a limited vocabulary or slow synapse firings, it was not meant in an offensive way."

it is possible that Junior's statement was made under the influence of alcohol, which may have impaired his judgement. after all this was a banquet of some sort wasn't it? im sure adult beverages were served. that is offered as a possible explanation rather than an excuse. because to me he need not have offered any explanation and only did so because is likely naive in dealing with professional victims like the politician who voiced his concern. in addition, by apologizing Junior allowed the attention seeking jerk a second chance to get his name and quote in the newspaper, because you can bet your season tickets that the same goof who reported the story will run back for another quote, to see if Seau's apology was contrite enough for the weasel to accept. which gets said politician quoted in the paper two days running, which is the game all professional victims play.

to me it is every bit as offensive as Junior's supposedly hurtful utterance to question his intelligence, with no firsthand knowledge of his mental acumen, s.a.t. scores, college transcripts or other qualifying data. but that is the way the game is to be played, as established by the professional victims of America.

CharlestonPhan
06-03-2004, 08:31 PM
Ya know what I've noticed? This whole PC thing is a bigtime double standard, really hypocritical. The way it works now, it seems, is that some kinds of people are perfectly ok to trash, but others are untouchable. For example white people are always ragged on and its perfectly acceptable for white guys to be called "Stupid-A** white boy" or "F**kin Cracker" or whatever else, but as soon as any white guy drops an N-bomb in reference to an african-american, people freak out and say hes a horrible person. Correct me if I'm wrong but, if racial slurs are going to be considered offensive, shouldnt it apply to ALL the races?

bingo... political correctness is all about double standards, hypocrisy, and group identity. and the more people sit quietly and let it fester, the worse it gets. :fire:

t2thejz
06-03-2004, 08:36 PM
I think we should all e mail who wrote that and call hima a ***...lol JK but we should tell him not to write that political correct bull****

FinfanInBuffalo
06-03-2004, 09:44 PM
One more perspective on this topic. There are really very few words that are almost universally considered offensive or degrading. Is it really too much to ask for people to refrain from using those words in public? There are perfectly acceptable choices that don't carry the same connotations.

For all of you that feel people should be able to say whatever they want, that goes for the people who are complain about what Seau said also.

themole
06-03-2004, 10:20 PM
One more perspective on this topic. There are really very few words that are almost universally considered offensive or degrading. Is it really too much to ask for people to refrain from using those words in public? There are perfectly acceptable choices that don't carry the same connotations.

For all of you that feel people should be able to say whatever they want, that goes for the people who are complain about what Seau said also.


One more perspective on this topic. There are really very few words that are almost universally considered offensive or degrading. Is it really too much to ask for people to refrain from using those words in public? There are perfectly acceptable choices that don't carry the same connotations.

FinFanInBuffalo...the very act that ties them to those words are extremely offense to 80% of the American people.

For all of you that feel people should be able to say whatever they want, that goes for the people who are complain about what Seau said also.

Of course it does! It's an unalienable right guaranted by the constitution. Free Speech. Ya just can't shout "FIRE" in a crowed theatre.

FinaciousOne
06-03-2004, 11:06 PM
When I clicked this thread, I thought it was going to be about the problem Feeley has been having getting used to the "offensive language" used by the Dolphins.

BSQX4
06-03-2004, 11:17 PM
Jr. Seau was on T.V just now retracting and apologizing for the use of the word "***" at the Dolphins testimonial dinner function in his speech. I don't like that word but I think intent has to be taken into consideration. In the context that he used the word he was saying something about how close this team is and the love in the locker room and about his feminine side coming out sometimes. I think he's a good guy who just sometimes puts his foot in his mouth like the time he said that,"the only way to slow down Ladanian Tomilson is to feed him some watermelons and a bunch of chicken. " He is a guy that phrases things in a way that's unique to say the least and I know some gays are pissed about this remark but in my book I say he's a football player not a politician so I give him a pass. He should be more careful in the future because he is in the public eye. How does everyone else feel and sorry if this has been talked about already.

BSQX4
06-03-2004, 11:21 PM
I believe if he knew the correct nomenclature he would have used it so that another important point.

LIQUID24
06-03-2004, 11:27 PM
I think it was bad judgement on his part, but I'm sure he meant no harm.

BSQX4
06-03-2004, 11:33 PM
I just saw that the subject was covered by Zod. Sorry, I've been down in Key West. JK

sbh1602
06-04-2004, 01:04 AM
Ok... I originally planned to give 3 thoughts about this thing... but... they'll probably be more. Bear with me.

1) Agreeing with... ok, let me sort this... I'm thinking either ZOD or the Doc... if he had said the very same thing, replacing ****** with homosexual... it could've also been taken as offensive: "Oh, so just because you say you love a man, you are homosexual? What a creep."

2) Agreeing with someone else (please forgive my crappy memory), let's not forget or make any less of his original commentary. His main thing was to say: IN OUR LOCKER ROOM, WE CARE ABOUT EACH OTHER. WE CARE ABOUT THE TEAM.

No man is without fault. If his whole point goes to the crapper because of one dumb, thoughless slip of the tongue (or maybe not so thoughtless, I do not know), then we're really in deep doody.

3) It's not being taken out of proportion? That's up for grabs. But mark my words: This issue WILL be taken as "yet another Dolphin offseason blunder". And that bugs the hell out of me. Heck, someone will find a way to blaim Wannstedt for it, too.

4) Intention matters. I'm repeatedly called "old man" in what you could call derogatory ways... but you know why I don't mind? Inflexion. Tone. Intention, in general. But when someone says I might "break my sombrero" when :roflmao:, in a way and context that screams harm, sure, I'll be upset.

5) Also, agreeing with yet another poster I don't recall, why isn't the "queer" term derogatory anymore? Just because someone put it on TV? Conversely, why aren't the Redskins banned from the NFL? Surely the Native-americans aren't glad about that nickname.

6) Infinsible, thanks for the Myers memory...

Done rambling.

midwest_phinfan
06-04-2004, 02:39 AM
Everybody needs to chill....this isn't a big deal. Too much PC going around these days. Pretty soon big brother will be controlling what everyone says if this B.S. keeps getting out of control.

ZOD
06-04-2004, 04:09 AM
EXTORTION!

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-dolphins04jun04,0,75178.story?coll=sfla-dolphins-front

"The way I see it, apologies are meant to make the perpetrator feel good about himself," said Fort Lauderdale City Commissioner Dean Trantalis. "If a person wants to heal a wound, they need to take some action. It is my suggestion he take part in the Gay Pride Parade, and I'd even walk with him if he wanted."

Once again I submit the following definition. It seems that Seau possesses it and the minority doesn't.

humility

\Hu*mil"i*ty\, n.; 1. The state or quality of being humble; freedom from pride and arrogance; lowliness of mind; a modest estimate of one's own worth; a sense of one's own unworthiness through imperfection and sinfulness; self-abasement; humbleness.

"Both situations have made Seau aware that some of the things he says are not politically correct, especially in a public forum.

"I need to take a [sensitivity] class," he said. "I really do."

R_t_Kraken
06-04-2004, 04:17 AM
Excuse me if I seem insensitive, but I don't see the big deal here. So he made a derogatory comment. It's not like he was making a personal attack towards homosexuals. He was making a point, and used an improper term.
Then after, apologized. But the media has to blow it up and make it look like first-degree murder or something. Like he commited a capital sin. Get over it!

Scrap
06-04-2004, 07:23 AM
Take part in the parade? That's a ridiculous suggestion, IMO.

inFINSible
06-04-2004, 07:26 AM
Did someone say parade!!! :D

go_fins
06-04-2004, 07:46 AM
I can't believe the news is all over this nonsense. They should report on the goverment wasting our tax dollars or something more important.

dolphan39
06-04-2004, 09:01 AM
STATEMENT FROM LINEBACKER JUNIOR SEAU
"I want to say a few words in terms of what I said yesterday. I'm truly sorry. I apologize to those I offended.

"I'd like to apologize to the group or the people that I offended, the organization of the Miami Dolphins, the players and their families. http://www.miamidolphins.com/pressbox/pressreleases/pressreleases.asp?contentID=3293

at least he did not drive drunk after saying that or smoke a joint before :goof:

BALLS DEEP
06-04-2004, 09:26 AM
As many of you can probably attest, I loathe political correctness with a passion. That said, Seau's remarks were unnecessary, awkward and, ultimately, inexcusable.


I agree Doc. I think all the people with damaged feelings (gay and straight alike) over this can easily join the rest of the homosexuals who already root for the Bills, Jets and Patriots. This is a man's sport plain and simple. All JR was trying to do (regardless of syntax in this post-playmakers show era) was to make sure his masculinity was not questioned. People are way too sensitive and litigious these days! This is FOOTBALL!! This used to be a heavy drinking, stripper banging, elbows on the table, beer can crushing on your forehead MANS sport! Now we expect the players to rip opponents throats out on Sunday but to be warm & cuddly and PC for the rest of the week. It's a bunch of Bullsh!t!

AOL on it's main page called the Soprano's character's "GOOMBAH's" How is that any more politically correct. I think that is way more wrong than what JR said. People are born italian and have to deal with unnecessary remarks like that. Regardless what anyone tell me: NO ONE IS BORN GAY! I'm p!ssed off about the racial remark towards Italiand's and Im Scotch-German!

Figure that one out!

themole
06-04-2004, 09:28 AM
Take part in the parade? That's a ridiculous suggestion, IMO.

That would be the day the city of Miami and myself parted company!

Rump Rangers on patrol again. When will all this crap end?

dolfanreal69
06-04-2004, 09:47 AM
It is simple the media is run by the P/c left and thier dorthy skirt wearing editors!

Bowl_Bound
06-04-2004, 09:49 AM
People need to not be so damn sensitive, all they do is cry about certain words. I mean who really cares what people say, besides normally if you get offended by these words you normally are what ever the saying that is being said (not always but most of the time). You could make a list like that but then people would cry about it being offensive.


I totally disagree. Dont get me wrong I love JR (does not make me gay :roflmao: ) but he cant say stuff like that. We dont need to be less sensitive he needs to be more aware of the crap fllying out of his mouth. Especially at an event where he is winning a leadership award. I am sure he mean tno harm but you cannot hang your hat on intents. Learn your lesson and dont do it again.

GazPhin
06-04-2004, 09:57 AM
sexual harrassment. It's not the person who decides to tune in to breast FM who determines whether it's acceptable or not, it's the person who's being tuned in. If the people who are being damaged by the language decide it's out of order then it is. Junior was big enough to admit he made a mistake so it should rest.

Asking him to march at the front of a gay pride rally is a bit too far. You can only be proudly gay if you are in fact gay. If he's not coming out then it's not appropriate restitution.

pigskinguy
06-04-2004, 10:01 AM
When I clicked this thread, I thought it was going to be about the problem Feeley has been having getting used to the "offensive language" used by the Dolphins.

No, stuff like that only gets talked about on a FOOTBALL website. :rolleyes: :evil:

Ohiophinphan
06-04-2004, 10:05 AM
Friends, friends..... By spending 8 pages on this in two days aren't we worse than the PC media everyone is assaulting in this thread? Let's everyone take a deep breath, cut back on our sugar and caffeine, take a nice cup of herbal tea, and get back to calling each other names regarding Feidler/Feeley or Wanny/Spielman.....OK?

pigskinguy
06-04-2004, 11:23 AM
Friends, friends..... By spending 8 pages on this in two days aren't we worse than the PC media everyone is assaulting in this thread? Let's everyone take a deep breath, cut back on our sugar and caffeine, take a nice cup of herbal tea, and get back to calling each other names regarding Feidler/Feeley or Wanny/Spielman.....OK?

Thank You.

CharlestonPhan
06-04-2004, 11:39 AM
""The way I see it, apologies are meant to make the perpetrator feel good about himself," said Fort Lauderdale City Commissioner Dean Trantalis. "If a person wants to heal a wound, they need to take some action. It is my suggestion he take part in the Gay Pride Parade, and I'd even walk with him if he wanted.""

my psychic powers must be on this week... this is exactly what i predicted. the reporter ran back after the apology to the professional victim, and quoted him yet again, thus giving him more media exposure, and attention. and by his own quote, those of us who believe an apology should never have been issued are vindicated. nothing Junior could have said, or could say now will satisfy the professional victims... that's why we should all learn from this to not play their games any longer. i wish Junior would have issued a statement saying the following and nothing more: "oh is F*gg*t not their preference for what they want to be called these days? feel free to insert whatever term makes homosexuals feel more comfortable." seriously, who can keep up?

CharlestonPhan
06-04-2004, 11:46 AM
"Friends, friends..... By spending 8 pages on this in two days aren't we worse than the PC media everyone is assaulting in this thread?"

perhaps that is true... but it speaks to a larger issue. we should all be writing our missives, either for or against Junior's behavior, in letters to editors or to the reporter involved specifically. we allow PC to fester when it goes unquestioned in the media, because they are setting the agenda of local and national discourse, and doing so from a slanted perspective.

DolFan31
06-04-2004, 11:52 AM
My take on it is, how could he have offended anyone? He didnt call anyone a "f*ggot" nor did he make a bad joke. He was simply recalling what some of his teammates say when he talks about love. He shouldnt have apologized, considering he had good intentions. This is where PC goes too far.

Section126
06-04-2004, 11:55 AM
That would be the day the city of Miami and myself parted company!

Rump Rangers on patrol again. When will all this crap end?


:roflmao:


Watch it, Mole, if you say that again....you might get the death penalty or maybe just a Batan death march through the Gay Pride Parade.


:laughat: "Maybe he should walk in the Gay Pride Parade."

Seau = :shakeno:

Gay Pride Parade = :cheer: :peebs: :moon: :bravo: :hug: :booty: :hump:

DrAstroZoom
06-04-2004, 12:04 PM
He shouldnt have apologized, considering he had good intentions. This is where PC goes too far.

Just for fun, and because it's Friday, let me make a ludicrous comparison. If you accidentally back over your neighbor's cat pulling out of your driveway, wouldn't you apologize -- even though you bore the cat no ill will?

It's great to have good intentions, but sometimes we hurt people despite having the best intentions. To make a blanket statement that we should only apologize for intentionally lashing out at someone goes too far, IMO.

That said, I feel Junior was not being malicious in the least. He apologized, and I'm ready to go back to talking X's and O's.

Scrap
06-04-2004, 12:09 PM
He should just tell them to kiss his.......well.......nevermind, they might.

DolFan31
06-04-2004, 12:10 PM
Just for fun, and because it's Friday, let me make a ludicrous comparison. If you accidentally back over your neighbor's cat pulling out of your driveway, wouldn't you apologize -- even though you bore the cat no ill will?

It's great to have good intentions, but sometimes we hurt people despite having the best intentions. To make a blanket statement that we should only apologize for intentionally lashing out at someone goes too far, IMO.

That said, I feel Junior was not being malicious in the least. He apologized, and I'm ready to go back to talking X's and O's.

Thats a ludicrious comparison :lol: . Its not like he's John Rocker, he was just reciting what his teammates said.

But yes, he did apologize, not that he should of, and lets get back to talking about football.

Agua
06-04-2004, 12:10 PM
My Frickin' God. Would it have been any better if he'd said, "the guys think I'm gay"? Somehow I doubt it would make any difference. Apparently, you can't even refer to real existing basic differences between people without someone's feelings getting hurt.

NHFinFan
06-04-2004, 12:18 PM
Seau was entertaining the people, he even called himself a cocanut. Give him a break, and get on with life.

DolFan31
06-04-2004, 12:30 PM
Seau was entertaining the people, he even called himself a cocanut. Give him a break, and get on with life.

*gasp* he said WHAT?? Im 1/2 coconut, and Im VERY offended! Seau should apologize or we coconuts are going to take to the streets and BURN his jerseys! And if the Miami Dolphins Organiztion doesn't issue an apology, we'll destroy all Dolphins merchandise and stage a boycott of their games for this year. :fire: :evil:


:goof:

templarwd
06-04-2004, 12:34 PM
I wish it was that easy and it would be over. But not in this over-sensitive, PC world we live in today.

Sad, but true. :( Shoot first and if anybody asks questions shoot them too. :evil: I think a lot of people need to get their collective sense of humor back. The whole PC culture is completely out of control, especially on college campuses. "Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated" or at least sent to brainwashing, whoops, I mean sensitivity classes. :shakeno:

Don't be surprised if the NFL gets pressure from Lambda or some other homosexual activist groups over this. Does anyone really think Junior meant it in a derogatory way? If so, read what he said, only insert the word "gay".

Scrap
06-04-2004, 01:01 PM
*gasp* he said WHAT?? Im 1/2 coconut, and Im VERY offended! Seau should apologize or we coconuts are going to take to the streets and BURN his jerseys! And if the Miami Dolphins Organiztion doesn't issue an apology, we'll destroy all Dolphins merchandise and stage a boycott of their games for this year. :fire: :evil:


:goof:What if he offers to march in the annual coconut festival? :D

http://www.kauaivisitorsbureau.com/news.php

DolFan31
06-04-2004, 01:03 PM
What if he offers to march in the annual coconut festival? :D

http://www.kauaivisitorsbureau.com/news.php

Im still waiting for that apology first :club:

Agua
06-04-2004, 01:05 PM
Does anyone really think Junior meant it in a derogatory way? If so, read what he said, only insert the word "gay".

My point two pages back was, given the PC fantacism, if he had used the word "gay", it would have made no difference because he made reference to people who define themselves as having distinctly different basic characteristics from other people. Apparently, it is impolite to refer to anything that differs from anything else for comparative purposes, unless that difference is put in a positive light or, as the PC crowd likes to say, "celebrated".

I suppose Jr. should have said, "the guys may think I'm heterosexually challenged" or something - OOOOooooops! That makes it sound like non-heterosexuals, don't have difficulty, but face a challenge of some sort. Hmmm.... Now, how do you get out of this conundrum? The absolute PC approach would have him say, "the guys think I'm not homosexually challenged" - there, that puts the proper spin on it - straight people are challenged by the standards of homosexuality ... thus we celebrate their "diversity"...

:rolleyes:

DolFan31
06-04-2004, 01:09 PM
My point two pages back was, given the PC fantacism, if he had used the word "gay", it would have made no difference because he made reference to people who define themselves as having distinctly different basic characteristics from other people. Apparently, it is impolite to refer to anything that differs from anything else for comparative purposes, unless that difference is put in a positive light or, as the PC crowd likes to say, "celebrated".

I suppose Jr. should have said, "the guys may think I'm heterosexually challenged" or something - OOOOooooops! That makes it sound like non-heterosexuals, don't have difficulty, but face a challenge of some sort. Hmmm.... Now, how do you get out of this conundrum? The absolute PC approach would have him say, "the guys think I'm not homosexually challenged" - there, that puts the proper spin on it - straight people are challenged by the standards of homosexuality ... thus we celebrate their "diversity"...

:rolleyes:


:shakeno: This is all too much.

Agua
06-04-2004, 01:27 PM
OMG, Jr. said he "probably needs to take a class" when someone asked if he needed counseling. Sensitivity training - un-frickin real.

Dave Hyde believes this would be a good idea because "others would follow".

Yup, NFL needs to simply implement mandatory sensitivity training so as not to offend the non-homosexually challenged.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-hyde04jun04,0,4356801.column?coll=sfla-dolphins-front

BALLS DEEP
06-04-2004, 01:31 PM
Just for fun, and because it's Friday, let me make a ludicrous comparison. If you accidentally back over your neighbor's cat pulling out of your driveway, wouldn't you apologize -- even though you bore the cat no ill will?

It's great to have good intentions, but sometimes we hurt people despite having the best intentions. To make a blanket statement that we should only apologize for intentionally lashing out at someone goes too far, IMO.

That said, I feel Junior was not being malicious in the least. He apologized, and I'm ready to go back to talking X's and O's.


WHoah Doc! I love the stuff you write but I think we're reaching a little bit. Killing an animal and saying what JR. did are incomparable. One is a moral wrong the other one is a jock being a jock!

DrAstroZoom
06-04-2004, 01:51 PM
I know, I know ... I told you it was ludicrous.

But wait ... you're saying backing over an animal accidentally is morally wrong?

themole
06-04-2004, 02:04 PM
:roflmao:


Watch it, Mole, if you say that again....you might get the death penalty or maybe just a Batan death march through the Gay Pride Parade.


:laughat: "Maybe he should walk in the Gay Pride Parade."

Seau = :shakeno:

Gay Pride Parade = :cheer: :peebs: :moon: :bravo: :hug: :booty: :hump:

See... 126, You and I agree on a lot more things than we disagree on. In fact, I can sit here and say "I love ya man"
and care less what others might think. I know who I am.

Queer, ******, Gay, Rump Ranger, Hummer are all common sense names given to these people by a society that finds the act that they engage in disgusting. It is truly unnatural! I give them no quarter. Am I wrong? No! Not as long as I do not wish them bodily harm.

rhadaddy
06-04-2004, 02:13 PM
anyway you slice it what Junior said was wrong. even if he didn't mean it maliciously, he needs to set an example as a puplic figure and role model when dealing with the public. Whether you think the word gay, ******, b1tch, ****, *insert homosexual or mysoganistic term here* isn't offensive and meant in no harm. It still affects people that are discriminated against.

I don't think this is a case of the meida over reacting and PC getting over-blown. When you have young males being beat to death because they don't like females in a sexual way, or young women being harassed, violated, and discriminated against, because of their assertive behavior... you have a problem. The last thing we need in this country is for it become acceptable to publicly call people ******s, b!tches, gay or any other term of similar conotation even in a joking manner.

With that said, Junior apologized and that should be the end of it.

Agua
06-04-2004, 02:18 PM
Reminds me of listening to public radio (the great bastion of PC Media) on a long drive last July 4. The between music comments were: "On July 4, we celebrate diversity". I suppose independence day is non-pc now and needs a new theme.

This is complete insanity.

themole
06-04-2004, 02:18 PM
He should just tell them to kiss his.......well.......nevermind, they might.


:roflmao: At last...he can say something that would give them satisfaction.

rhadaddy
06-04-2004, 02:22 PM
Queer, ******, Gay, Rump Ranger, Hummer are all common sense names given to these people by a society that finds the act that they engage in disgusting. It is truly unnatural! I give them no quarter. Am I wrong? No! Not as long as I do not wish them bodily harm.

Using those terms perpetuates biggotry. It's like you saying I don't like nig***, but I don't mean black people no bodily harm.

FWIW, I also find homosexuality disgusting and I admittedly clown around with my uncles, fathers, and friends calling each other sweetheart, buttercup, or pillowbitter, etc..

But I don't believe it's *unnatural* nor do I dislike or seperate myself from gay people.

There's a big difference between clowining around in the privacy of your life, but it's another thing to do it in public, especially in front of the media.

themole
06-04-2004, 02:23 PM
Thats a ludicrious comparison :lol: . Its not like he's John Rocker, he was just reciting what his teammates said.

But yes, he did apologize, not that he should of, and lets get back to talking about football.


Get off Rocker. All he did was react to P/C in a manner most people should. It cost him dearly in money, ya know what...he refused to be bullied around by the media. I tip my hat to him.

Section126
06-04-2004, 02:44 PM
Get off Rocker. All he did was react to P/C in a manner most people should. It cost him dearly in money, ya know what...he refused to be bullied around by the media. I tip my hat to him.

INCOMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:couch: :escape:

Scrap
06-04-2004, 02:59 PM
Duck Mole.



As a side note,I'm surprised this thread hasn't been move to one of the other forums.

DolFan31
06-04-2004, 02:59 PM
anyway you slice it what Junior said was wrong. even if he didn't mean it maliciously, he needs to set an example as a puplic figure and role model when dealing with the public. Whether you think the word gay, ******, b1tch, ****, *insert homosexual or mysoganistic term here* isn't offensive and meant in no harm. It still affects people that are discriminated against.

I don't think this is a case of the meida over reacting and PC getting over-blown. When you have young males being beat to death because they don't like females in a sexual way, or young women being harassed, violated, and discriminated against, because of their assertive behavior... you have a problem. The last thing we need in this country is for it become acceptable to publicly call people ******s, b!tches, gay or any other term of similar conotation even in a joking manner.

With that said, Junior apologized and that should be the end of it.

Why do we have double-standards for "public" figures? Why do they get their rights violated(privacy, free speech) and no one feels they can do anything? Its rediculous.

DolFan31
06-04-2004, 03:00 PM
Im not going to attack Mole, since thats his analysis on the situation. But I feel Rocker was just a frustrated bigot who loathed NY :lol:

themole
06-04-2004, 03:04 PM
Using those terms perpetuates biggotry. It's like you saying I don't like nig***, but I don't mean black people no bodily harm.

FWIW, I also find homosexuality disgusting and I admittedly clown around with my uncles, fathers, and friends calling each other sweetheart, buttercup, or pillowbitter, etc..

But I don't believe it's *unnatural* nor do I dislike or seperate myself from gay people.

There's a big difference between clowining around in the privacy of your life, but it's another thing to do it in public, especially in front of the media.

rhadaddy, no preaching please. I'm quite up front and in the open about how I feel on this issue, I will NEVER be converted! It is most definitely "unnatural".

The big difference between the clowning around in the privacy of your home and not in public is called "Bigot", a hypocrite. That I am not.

Now in the best interest of this thread and not having it deleted because this needs to be discussed. I will not debate it with you.

I leave you with "I Love Ya Man".

rhadaddy
06-04-2004, 03:22 PM
Why do we have double-standards for "public" figures? Why do they get their rights violated(privacy, free speech) and no one feels they can do anything? Its rediculous.

Is he going to jail? No. is he getting arrested? no. The most that will happen, is he's seen as a biggot in the public eye. The only difference between a public figure and an everyday guy like you or I, Is the media could care less about you or I, we're not in the spotlight. We also don't have Million dollar contracts and endorsments from big corporations that want to protect their product and image. Therefore, No one cares what we say, unless we take it to an extreme level.

That's the price of being famous. FWIW, chances are if you make those statements at a company banquet in PC sensitive NYC, you'll find yourself out of a job the following day, even if it was light hearted.

themole
06-04-2004, 03:24 PM
Im not going to attack Mole, since thats his analysis on the situation. But I feel Rocker was just a frustrated bigot who loathed NY :lol:

I believe it was the spiked and multi colored haired freaks and such on the subway of NY that Johnny Boy commented on first, I don't remember. But I do know that the racial stuff started off as locker room joking. It was even varified by black team mates but the media would not let it go.

rhadaddy
06-04-2004, 03:39 PM
rhadaddy, no preaching please. I'm quite up front and in the open about how I feel on this issue, I will NEVER be converted! It is most definitely "unnatural".

The big difference between the clowning around in the privacy of your home and not in public is called "Bigot", a hypocrite. That I am not.

Now in the best interest of this thread and not having it deleted because this needs to be discussed. I will not debate it with you.

I leave you with "I Love Ya Man".
big·ot One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

First off, a biggot I am not. hypocritical, maybe.. needless to say if I clown around as mentioned earlier, we don't mean anything agianst gay people themselves, we're poking fun about the weakside or "feminine side" that all men posess. Is it right, nope because it indirectly taking a swipe at gays or women, but it's something that's been programmed and engrained in me since I could talk.

Outright hating gays, calling them ******s is biggotry whether in the privacy of your home or in public.. That's something I do not do.

I could careless is converting anyone, what you believe is what you believe. So i'm the last person you should accuse of preaching.

Point is, That's why, I can, the media, and the public will forgive JS, because they know, that what he said wasn't a malicous attack on gay people, even though it was a dumb comment to make and He apologized.

"I love you to boo boo " :lol:

themole
06-04-2004, 03:48 PM
big·ot One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

First off, a biggot I am not. hypocritical, maybe.. needless to say if I clown around as mentioned earlier, we don't mean anything agianst gay people themselves, we're poking fun about the weakside or "feminine side" that all men posess. Is it right, nope because it indirectly taking a swipe at gays or women, but it's something that's been programmed and engrained in me since I could talk.

Outright hating gays, calling them ******s is biggotry whether in the privacy of your home or in public.. That's something I do not do.

I could careless is converting anyone, what you believe is what you believe. So i'm the last person you should accuse of preaching.

Point is, That's why, I can, the media, and the public will forgive JS, because they know, that what he said wasn't a malicous attack on gay people, even though it was a dumb comment to make and He apologized.

"I love you to boo boo " :lol:
:biggrin:

dolfanreal69
06-04-2004, 03:52 PM
Too many queer eyes for the queer guys in this world are mad and are gonna burn their JR bobble head dolls and stomp their high heels in protest. Man i sure hope they do not get real mad and have an all gay boycott of the nfl. I mean who would play for the jets and the patriots. I cant even think who would for the bills. plain and simple people get over what the man said it was his words to his team. Nothing directly effecting anyones daily life.

DeDolfan
06-04-2004, 05:28 PM
So much for "freedom of speech" !!! :D :D

MDFINFAN
06-04-2004, 05:44 PM
Using those terms perpetuates biggotry. It's like you saying I don't like nig***, but I don't mean black people no bodily harm.

FWIW, I also find homosexuality disgusting and I admittedly clown around with my uncles, fathers, and friends calling each other sweetheart, buttercup, or pillowbitter, etc..

But I don't believe it's *unnatural* nor do I dislike or seperate myself from gay people.

There's a big difference between clowining around in the privacy of your life, but it's another thing to do it in public, especially in front of the media.

What's the difference? This thread is a lot bigger than I thought it would get...

rhadaddy
06-04-2004, 07:10 PM
What's the difference? This thread is a lot bigger than I thought it would get...

When I'm clowning around with my peeps in our own private environment, feelings may get hurt :) but no one is offended or insulted.

If you do it in public, especially in front of an audience or media, then you affect alot of people, and judging from the diferences in opinions on this board alone, not everyone is going to be in agreement with you, and chances are you'll offend quite alot of people.

You also have to remember JS, like it or not represents the Miami Dolphin Organization, and if he has any other endorsements, he represents those companies as well, those companies stand more to loose from boycotts, media backlash, lawsuits, and the whole nine, if it became a big issue and he wasn't released or had his contract terminated.

That's the difference. like it or not.

with that said, that comment was made in jest, he apologized. don't let it happen again all is forgiven.

ZOD
06-04-2004, 10:56 PM
Since this thread has been moved and the topic has went "that way"...........

It's definately not natural. What in nature calls for THAT kind of sexual act? I can tell you what is produced from the sexual act with my wife. Hell, I can point to two of them. What in nature is produced out of same sex relations other than venerial disease and a plague?

Sure a man can have feelings for another man. Sure he may fool himself into thinking a sexual act is proper. Does ignorance make anything right?

There are those that think the same act with farm animals is not improper. Are they too right?

ZOD
06-04-2004, 11:03 PM
Btw....

Beatings refered to in this thread are not excused by me nor should they be by anybody but.......

Generally I think you'll find that those beatings derive from a trust being broken. It's generally an accepted trust between two men. That trust being that you are not a gay individual.

I think a far worse concern is the amount of spousal abuse involved between a man and a woman. Some of the abuse derives from a trust being broken with another party involved.

The spousal abuse is wrong but that doesn't make the broken trust right.

Get my drift?

Marino1983
06-05-2004, 05:39 AM
don't be so sensitive.
political correctness left with the clinton administration...if not for a large gay community in south florida this would have fallen under the radar as it should have. no story here.


:lol:

Clumpy is a goat fan and if ANY player on his teams roster would have said this, clumpy would be DEFENDING him !!!!

:shakeno:

Marino1983

Marino1983
06-05-2004, 05:42 AM
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-seau03jun03,0,5339843.story?coll=sfla-dolphins-front


http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif

:yell:

Marino1983

ohall
06-05-2004, 09:05 AM
OMG no, Jr. used a word most of us use at times to define a certain group of ppl in the world. What to do!?

This PC crap is out of hand. He's a football player and that word is commonly used in the locker room. How many times do you think the word n-igg-er is used in a locker room? Granted he said f-a-gg-ot in public, but for me I respect him even more for not compromising how he expresses himself publicly from how he expresses himself privately. To me it shows he was simply trying to be as real then as he is in the locker room with his team mates.

Again I can't believe HOW PC this country has become. Pretty soon you won't even be able to express yourself without someone saying you offended me.

Oliver...

Dolfan954
06-05-2004, 11:21 AM
Wel I disagree with you guys. Those "too sensitive" people are only that way because they are conditioned that way. A quick story, I managed and opened a large hotel casino and hotel in Wisconsin for an Indian tribe. It was a $45M project. My comany was contracted to come in, supervise the cosntruction and opening, and then teach them how to operate it. We then go away and leave the jobs for the tribe. During that year and a half I was there, I was the minority. I was working within a fabric of a society that tolerated me, but looked down on me only because of who I was, a white man. I attended various functions and meetings and heard various terms such as "the white man can't be trusted" or "the white man takes our money" over and over again. I was being discriminated against. Some of the indians were nice and very different. Some became firends. But there were plenty who would not even exchange conversation with you because of who I was. Some hated me for the color of my skin and the history of my ancestors. For the first time I knew what it must be like to be a member of a discrminated segment of our world. You do feel it. And it affects you. It makes you bitter.

It doesn't matter if you are black,or female, or gay, or whatever. When you are singled out and slighted because of who you are it is demeaning.

Maybe the answer is not for them to "stop being so sensitive" and the rest of us start being "more sensitive" and quit thinking that a quick joke or stupid comment is worth demeaning someone. Once you walk in their shoes it really does make sense.
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Very interesting story. I clearly see your point, and there's a lot of truth to it. We've become desensitized to the word, even when it is used in a derragatory way. People don't make jokes in public and use derragatory words such as (I can't type the actual words...even in the political forum, but you know what they are). The "other F" word is just as strong, and it's easy to lose focus of that when so many people use it so loosely.