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touborg
06-14-2004, 09:27 PM
God Italy were lucky not to have lost.

TerryTate
06-15-2004, 02:06 AM
what was the score?

Prime Time
06-15-2004, 02:23 AM
0-0.

TT, you can find all the scores etc. on ESPN's bottom line during Sports Center (yes they do show them! UNBELIEVABLE! :eek: ). Or you can see it on www.soccernet.com

Italy who plays extremely defensive was lucky that Denmark didn't win. At times Denmark appeared to have cracked the code to the Defense of Italy, but they couldn't put one away although they came VERY close on a few occasions. Italy had a few opportunites, but Denmark should have shocked them.

Also, Sweden won today 5-0. Henrik Larsson got a pair of goals.

TerryTate
06-15-2004, 05:09 AM
I dont follow soccer, but from what i understand, Italy is a powerhouse....them and brazil i believe....right?

iceblizzard69
06-15-2004, 12:07 PM
Brazil is the best team in the world, and I would say France is second. After those two, there are a bunch of strong teams, including Italy, Spain, Argentina, and a few other teams. They have World Rankings but they are awful. They rank the USA 8th and I would say they should probably be around 15 and I'm a huge USA fan. They also have Mexico insanely high when they shouldn't be as well, and there are a few other things in the rankings that are wrong.

Prime Time
06-15-2004, 02:25 PM
Yeah like Peru ranked 65....:nono:

BTW, TT, Ice is wrong, France is nowhere near the team it use to be. They got shocked in the WC 2 years ago by Senegal, a team that made it's first World Cup appearance that year. France didn't manage to win a game in the World Cup. I think the top teams right now (not in any order are)
Argentina, Brazil, Spain, Italy, England, France, Germany.

USA wouldn't be too far off. They do not have world class players like Brazil or France, but they work as a team and the teamwork makes them go along way...example WC 2002.

iceblizzard69
06-15-2004, 02:46 PM
Germany? LOL. They aren't that good right now and were very lucky in 2002. If you are wondering how they got to the final, just look at the teams they had to play to get there. They really aren't that good right now and I doubt they will make it past the quarterfinals of Euro 2004 if they even get that far. They are playing Holland in a few minutes, and I doubt they will win.

The USA are good but they aren't on the same level as teams like Germany, Czech Republic, Italy, etc.

You put way too much on the last World Cup. What we did was a major accomplishment but it doesn't tell the whole story. There is more that determines how good a team is. France has played very well lately, won a tournament last year, did great in Euro qualifying (although they didn't exactly have the toughest group), and just beat England. They play well and have very good talent, they are the best team in Europe IMO.

Prime Time
06-15-2004, 03:48 PM
:lol: USA is better then Czech Republic. What are you speaking of? And Germany? They have a solid defense with the best GK in the world. Ballack is a strong player, and their forwards aren't bad either. France is no way the best European team right now. England, Italy, and Germany are better than them IMO.

iceblizzard69
06-15-2004, 05:39 PM
Do you know anything about the Czech Republic? They are extremely talented. Pavel Nedved is only one of the best players in the world. A lot of people are picking them to win Euro 2004. They are awesome and are better than the USA. I wish we were as good as them.

Germany has the best GK in the world? It isn't 2002 anymore. Kahn was pretty bad this year. As a Real Madrid fan, you should know about at least one of his many bad games. Kahn is probably going to leave Bayern. He isn't what he used to be. As for their forwards, they aren't great. Mirislov Klose's career is pretty much the one game he had against Saudi Arabia. Kuranyi is a good young striker but overall their strikers aren't that good. They tied Holland today 1-1, I thought Holland would win since they are a lot more talented but they seem to never play to their full potential.

You have proved that you have no idea what your talking about? Germany better than France? LOL. England better than France? That explains why France beat them 2-1 2 DAYS AGO! Italy? They play a boring defensive style. They have talent but aren't as good as France.

If France doesn't win Euro 2004, it will be because Santini will be thinking too much about his new job with Tottenham or something. They are the most talented team and should be able to win the tournament.

Prime Time
06-15-2004, 08:19 PM
Do you know anything about the Czech Republic? They are extremely talented. Pavel Nedved is only one of the best players in the world. A lot of people are picking them to win Euro 2004. They are awesome and are better than the USA. I wish we were as good as them.

Germany has the best GK in the world? It isn't 2002 anymore. Kahn was pretty bad this year. As a Real Madrid fan, you should know about at least one of his many bad games. Kahn is probably going to leave Bayern. He isn't what he used to be. As for their forwards, they aren't great. Mirislov Klose's career is pretty much the one game he had against Saudi Arabia. Kuranyi is a good young striker but overall their strikers aren't that good. They tied Holland today 1-1, I thought Holland would win since they are a lot more talented but they seem to never play to their full potential.

You have proved that you have no idea what your talking about? Germany better than France? LOL. England better than France? That explains why France beat them 2-1 2 DAYS AGO! Italy? They play a boring defensive style. They have talent but aren't as good as France.

If France doesn't win Euro 2004, it will be because Santini will be thinking too much about his new job with Tottenham or something. They are the most talented team and should be able to win the tournament.


Of course I know about Czech Republic. I know about Nedved and all that. I once had an arguement with a fan of that team and he was saying how he was better than Ronaldo :rolleyes:

USA is better than Czech IMO. What has Czech done recently? Czech didn't even make the WC in 2002. Come on man, get real.

Germany is a good team. Kahn is still a top GK. One bad year doesn't mean he sucks, and he wasn't even that bad. I never said their forwards were great, I said they weren't bad. Holland could not iwn not because they can't reach their full potential, but because Germany is a good team.

France beat England two days ago, yes, but the officiating was terrible IMO. A couple offsides calls which IMO did not exist. France is a solid team, but IMO are not the best team in Europe. Most talent doesn't mean best team. You of all people should know that. Look at our Dolphins...a lot of talent and some not so great results. 2002 - Argentina and France most talented teams, both knocked out in 1st round.

iceblizzard69
06-15-2004, 08:38 PM
As I said before, you are basing way too much on 2002 and before. The Czech Republic is awesome, if you don't think they are better than the USA, you have no idea what you are talking about. They played extremely well in Euro qualifying (which is more recent and very important) and they have a talented squad, one that is more talented than the USA's. Nedved should have won the Player of the Year award last year. He plays a different position than Ronaldo but if they were both on the market, Nedved would be sold for more money. Take that for what it's worth.

Kahn isn't a top keeper anymore. He was in 2002. He is getting old and his skill has declined. Maybe getting out of Bayern will help him, but it isn't like he is going to get better at this point. He has peaked. Germany is good and that is it. Holland is more talented and the reason they didn't win is because they play horribly as a team. They haven't reached their full potential, a team of their skill should be able to beat Germany.

Yeah, talent may not be everything, but it is still very important. The Czechs are talented and play well as a team. It's the same deal with France. France had one bad tournament and that's it. They have some great players and they are the best team in Europe right now.

Prime Time
06-15-2004, 09:02 PM
As I said before, you are basing way too much on 2002 and before. The Czech Republic is awesome, if you don't think they are better than the USA, you have no idea what you are talking about. They played extremely well in Euro qualifying (which is more recent and very important) and they have a talented squad, one that is more talented than the USA's. Nedved should have won the Player of the Year award last year. He plays a different position than Ronaldo but if they were both on the market, Nedved would be sold for more money. Take that for what it's worth.

Kahn isn't a top keeper anymore. He was in 2002. He is getting old and his skill has declined. Maybe getting out of Bayern will help him, but it isn't like he is going to get better at this point. He has peaked. Germany is good and that is it. Holland is more talented and the reason they didn't win is because they play horribly as a team. They haven't reached their full potential, a team of their skill should be able to beat Germany.

Yeah, talent may not be everything, but it is still very important. The Czechs are talented and play well as a team. It's the same deal with France. France had one bad tournament and that's it. They have some great players and they are the best team in Europe right now.

:lol: Everything you just said is the same thing you said in the other post, but posted differently. And there is no way, Nedved would go for more than Ronaldo, no way.

iceblizzard69
06-15-2004, 10:46 PM
:lol: Everything you just said is the same thing you said in the other post, but posted differently. And there is no way, Nedved would go for more than Ronaldo, no way.

European players of the year tend to go for more money than overweight, overrated strikers. Ronaldo was great in 1998, he's still good but Nedved has definitely been the better player in the past year.

Prime Time
06-16-2004, 12:16 AM
:rofl: Overweight? Overrated? And you said I didn't know what I was talking about? :lol: Ice you just showed how much you know.

iceblizzard69
06-16-2004, 03:14 PM
:rofl: Overweight? Overrated? And you said I didn't know what I was talking about? :lol: Ice you just showed how much you know.

Ronaldo is overrated. Many talk about how he is the best in the world and crap but he isn't, Thierry Henry is. As for being overweight, look at his stomach.

Prime Time
06-16-2004, 03:35 PM
Yes let me go to his house across the street and let me look at his stomach. :rolleyes: If he was fat, he wouldn't be able to run as fast as he could, and he wouldn't have the agility to do what he does. Ronaldo is the best. Henry is a very solid player, top 5 striker in the world but Ronaldo is on the top of that list. The top 5 (not in any order) IMO are...

Ronaldo
Van Nistelrooy
Henry
Owen
Larsson

What are your top 5 Ice?

iceblizzard69
06-16-2004, 03:45 PM
Top 5 strikers (in order)

1. Henry
2. van Nistelrooy
3. Shevchenko
4. Ronaldo
5. Owen

I'm probably forgetting someone who should be there, but all 5 could play for Blackburn if they want to. :) :lol:

Prime Time
06-16-2004, 03:51 PM
Top 5 strikers (in order)

1. Henry
2. van Nistelrooy
3. Shevchenko
4. Ronaldo
5. Owen

I'm probably forgetting someone who should be there, but all 5 could play for Blackburn if they want to. :) :lol:

After some heavy thinking...top 5 forwards in order are....

1. Ronaldo
2. Henry
3. Van Nistelrooy
4. Owen
5. Larsson

iceblizzard69
06-16-2004, 03:54 PM
Ronaldo #1? :lol:

Vieri should probably be in the top 5. I forgot about him.

Prime Time
06-16-2004, 05:45 PM
Hey Ice, I want to see who you think is the best GK, best D, best M, best F, and best coach.

Bodzilla29
06-17-2004, 12:38 AM
Both of you are talking some rubbish.

France are a GREAT TEAM. The goal they let in against England, look up the last time they even let in a competetive goal. They have strength everywhere. England, Germany, et al WISH they had the atacking options France has. France have won 2 out of the last 3 MAJOR competitions, that means they are GREAT.

Henry is overrated. Sure he scores against the likes of Leeds and Birmingham, but when has he ever scored in a big game? NEVER. He folds like a bad hand in poker when the goin gets tough.

Nedved is very, very good but had a poor season by his standards, along with most off his Juventus mates. Ronaldo would go for MILES more cash in the transfer market, simply because he is the top finisher in the world and is 5 years YOUNGER.

Ronaldo scored BOAT LOADS of goals THIS YEAR and was Madrid's best player all year. He got injured and they started their slide. They missed him immensley. He may look overweight but he is still VERY fast and is one of the quickest men in the world, he glides by defenders.

Owen is vastly overrated. His biggest asset, speed, has been reduced due to his constant hamstring injuries. All he does is run on long balls. His finishing is suspect. He is a good player but not a great player and hardly one of the best 5 in the world.

Christian Vieri had a very poor season as well and looks to be heading out of Inter, which would be a good move as Adriano is taking his position as a target man and Martins is the linking striker. Both players are way younger than Vieri, who is on the wrong side of 30.

GK - Gianluigi Buffon, Iker Casillas, Sergio Canizares
LB - Christoph Metzelder, Gianluca Zambrotta
CB - Alessandro Nesta, Walter Samuel, Roberto Ayala
CB - Carles Puyol, Sol Campbell, Christian Chivu
RB - Lillian Thuram, Paulo Ferreira
LM - Zinedine Zidane, Vicente
DM - Patrick Vieira, Edgar Davids, Genarro Gatusso
AM - Francesco Totti, Pavel Nedved, Kaka
RM - Ronaldinho, Joaquin
ST - Andiy Shevchenko, Thierry Henry, David Trezeguet
ST - Ronaldo, Ruud Van Nistlerooy, Roy Makaay
Coach - Jose Mourinho, Sir Alex Ferguson, Fabio Capello


PS The Czechs are much better than the Americans. They have GREAT prospects that are just coming into their own and many believe Tomas Rosicky will be a better pro then Nedved.

Prime Time
06-17-2004, 01:30 AM
I think you are dead on for the most part with your team. Keep in mind though Samuel can be considered a LB because that is what he plays in Argentina as Ayala is the CB.

ChrisKo
06-17-2004, 02:25 AM
Sol played great for Arsenal this season, but he looked pretty horrible against France. Not sure I could put him in my top CBs at this point in his career.

Who would I replace him with??? Not sure at this point, so I guess he can stay there. I look for Rio to come back after suspension and prove to the world just how great he can be though. Ok, maybe it's just my Man Utd homerism :D

ChrisKo
06-17-2004, 02:29 AM
And Kaka NEVER performed for my teams on Championship Manager, he really angers me in that game.

I recently decided to take York and I've done pretty well. First year I was 4th in Division and lost in the finals of the division 3 playoffs. Second year I won the division and got promoted to division 2. Third year right now and I'm about 20 games in and in 13th for second division. I want to make a top 10 finish this year and get promoted to division 1 next year.

It's getting a LOT harder because I'm over my wage budget by 450k, so I can't offer decent contracts until I get that back down. I think I might have to start releasing some players for free :(

Am I the only CM player here???

iceblizzard69
06-17-2004, 10:08 AM
Am I the only CM player here???

No you aren't. I still play CM4 once in a while. I never bought 03/04. I was addicted to CM4 for a long time.

Prime Time
06-17-2004, 01:35 PM
No you aren't. I still play CM4 once in a while. I never bought 03/04. I was addicted to CM4 for a long time.

CM4 sounds like a cool game but nothing compared to Winning Eleven 7: International for the Ps2. Does anyone here play it? I know Ice doesn't :shakeno:. It is the best soccer game ever created.

iceblizzard69
06-17-2004, 05:16 PM
CM4 sounds like a cool game but nothing compared to Winning Eleven 7: International for the Ps2. Does anyone here play it? I know Ice doesn't :shakeno:. It is the best soccer game ever created.

CM isn't comparable to WE. They aren't the same type of game. The only thing that the two have in common is that they are soccer games.

Prime Time
06-17-2004, 06:19 PM
Of course you can. Compare them by which one you have more fun in. Definately WE.

ChrisKo
06-18-2004, 03:09 AM
I still haven't grabbed Winning Eleven yet, but I play the crap out of CM03/04 and I've also started playing EA's Total Club Manager a lot too.

Why doesn't EA take the Total Club Manager code and use it as the basis for franchise mode in Madden? They would definatly tear up Sega if they did that, because it's pretty amazing how many options are available.

Prime Time
06-18-2004, 01:31 PM
Chrisko you should definately pick up a copy of WE 7 ASAP. You too Ice. The game is fantastic. You see new stuff in every game you play. It is amazing. Unfortunately, you have to edit but I am sure you can download some things with all the real names. Me? I editted all of it. It took me 2 days. It was quite tedious. But it is worth it. Game is amazing.

Pink_Dove
06-25-2004, 01:20 AM
Bodz...Nice analysis...
I am a huge soccer fan and have played since I was 3...In the last years i've played in a couple big tournaments in Scotland, USA, and France...
You seem to know the game very well, I'd only make minor lineup changes to your proposed lineup:

I'd put Puyol on the right...I realize it would be a toss up between him and Thuram to start but they are 2 great choices to have at RB..I like him better out wide than in the middle...
Zidane is the greatest playmaker in the game...I don't care what anyone says having watched the man play so much since he arrived on the club scene in France, he's unlike any other player in the world...Always shows up for the big games and tournaments and is a magician with the ball...very smart player
He would definately be in the middle with Ronaldinho another wizard on my team...I'd also take Deco over Totti, they've had contrasting seasons and the Euro just confirmed it...Deco has been instrumental in Portugal's run (also at Porto where he carried them to CL glory)...Totti has been instrumental in...Italy's collapse. Trapattoni's system was based on Totti supporting Vieri and Del Piero when attacking...

On the left you definately have to go with Cristiano Ronaldo (in place of Zidane who's int he middle), because there's not that many options and for a 19 year old, he's done pretty well for the biggest club team in Europe, and in Euro 2004...

Owen is not even the best striker on his England and was arguably out performed this season at Liverpool by Baros....He definately is not a top 5 striker Ice and PT

When debating countries I agree with Ice..Brazil is at the top followed by France...Then Italy, Spain, Argentina could all have a say for number 3...
USA should probably be around 15 no more...Apart from Landon Donovan and maybe Beasley they don't have that much talent...Guys like Hejduk, Vanney, Bocanegra might look good against MLS competition but there's a reason why they havn't been recruited to play for club teams in Europe...
Also don't even mention Adu, the kid's only 14 come back in 4 years and we'll talk...They will have to repeat their last performance at the WC to convince me...1 nice showing doesn't do the trick...
The Czech Republic would put on a clinic for team USA...Their 2nd team just beat Germany :eek: talk about depth...

I am a big fan of Rosicky as well Boz...Bright, bright future it seems...
Gilardino (20 years old) in Italy scored some amazing goal this season as well and i'll be keeping an eye on him...

Prime Time
06-25-2004, 01:44 AM
On the left you definately have to go with Cristiano Ronaldo (in place of Zidane who's int he middle), because there's not that many options and for a 19 year old, he's done pretty well for the biggest club team in Europe, and in Euro 2004...


USA should probably be around 15 no more...Apart from Landon Donovan and maybe Beasley they don't have that much talent...Guys like Hejduk, Vanney, Bocanegra might look good against MLS competition but there's a reason why they havn't been recruited to play for club teams in Europe...
Also don't even mention Adu, the kid's only 14 come back in 4 years and we'll talk...They will have to repeat their last performance at the WC to convince me...1 nice showing doesn't do the trick...
The Czech Republic would put on a clinic for team USA...Their 2nd team just beat Germany :eek: talk about depth...



I know Ice is going to be able to respond to a lot of your remarks. I'll chip in even with that.

1) Cristiano Ronaldo. Good player I agree, BUT like Ice pointed out to me, he went from no name to big name. He is overrated, and I hear he does some nice moves, but they don't really do much except look nice.

2) Deco better than Totti?! Deco is a solid player, and has helped Portugal big time. No way is Deco better though. (also) IMO, Petit should not even have been in this Euro Cup, I don't understand why they continue to call him up.

3) USA is top 15 definately. Arguably top 10. They could have played Brazil in the World Cup in 02 for all the marbles. How? Just ask me, and I will tell
you.

4) Donovan + Beasley = talented = Yes. What about..
Claudio Reyna
Brian McBride
Carlos Bocanegra
Frankie Hejduk
Tony Sanneh
John O'Brien
Clint Mathis
Eddie Lewis
Cory Gibbs
Bobbby Convey
Steve Cherundolo
Pablo Mastroeni

All talented players who have played in Europe, are playing in Europe, or COULD play in Europe if they were not trying to make MLS popular :rolleyes:

5) Germany's squad is not that strong, and that is why they lost to Czech's 2nd lineup. I mean come on, they tied Latvia....:nono:

iceblizzard69
06-25-2004, 10:25 AM
Bodz...Nice analysis...
I am a huge soccer fan and have played since I was 3...In the last years i've played in a couple big tournaments in Scotland, USA, and France...
You seem to know the game very well, I'd only make minor lineup changes to your proposed lineup:

I'd put Puyol on the right...I realize it would be a toss up between him and Thuram to start but they are 2 great choices to have at RB..I like him better out wide than in the middle...
Zidane is the greatest playmaker in the game...I don't care what anyone says having watched the man play so much since he arrived on the club scene in France, he's unlike any other player in the world...Always shows up for the big games and tournaments and is a magician with the ball...very smart player
He would definately be in the middle with Ronaldinho another wizard on my team...I'd also take Deco over Totti, they've had contrasting seasons and the Euro just confirmed it...Deco has been instrumental in Portugal's run (also at Porto where he carried them to CL glory)...Totti has been instrumental in...Italy's collapse. Trapattoni's system was based on Totti supporting Vieri and Del Piero when attacking...

On the left you definately have to go with Cristiano Ronaldo (in place of Zidane who's int he middle), because there's not that many options and for a 19 year old, he's done pretty well for the biggest club team in Europe, and in Euro 2004...

Owen is not even the best striker on his England and was arguably out performed this season at Liverpool by Baros....He definately is not a top 5 striker Ice and PT

When debating countries I agree with Ice..Brazil is at the top followed by France...Then Italy, Spain, Argentina could all have a say for number 3...
USA should probably be around 15 no more...Apart from Landon Donovan and maybe Beasley they don't have that much talent...Guys like Hejduk, Vanney, Bocanegra might look good against MLS competition but there's a reason why they havn't been recruited to play for club teams in Europe...
Also don't even mention Adu, the kid's only 14 come back in 4 years and we'll talk...They will have to repeat their last performance at the WC to convince me...1 nice showing doesn't do the trick...
The Czech Republic would put on a clinic for team USA...Their 2nd team just beat Germany :eek: talk about depth...

I am a big fan of Rosicky as well Boz...Bright, bright future it seems...
Gilardino (20 years old) in Italy scored some amazing goal this season as well and i'll be keeping an eye on him...

Carlos Bocanegra was signed by Fulham in January and starts for the club. Vanney plays for Bastia in the French league but I don't think he is that good. MLS players are getting recruited by European clubs. Southampton recently offered 2 million dollars for DaMarcus Beasley by MLS rejected. Supposedly PSV is interested in Beasley and I think he will end up there in a month. Also, Tottenham tried to buy Bobby Convey last year but he couldn't get a work permit, and there are a few more cases of MLS players getting interest from European clubs. However, the USA is still no more than top 15.

And I hate to say it but the Czech Republic would beat the USA, but I've been saying that for a long time. Their team is really good.

Baros should leave Liverpool because with Owen and Cisse around he won't play much. They paid a lot for Cisse so I think they will play him based on that.

Bodzilla29
06-25-2004, 01:05 PM
I'd put Puyol on the right...I realize it would be a toss up between him and Thuram to start but they are 2 great choices to have at RB..I like him better out wide than in the middle...


Puyol, like Thuram, is exceptional at both positions. Where you put him in a squad is merely semantics, but the fact that he is in was my point. I agree thought that he makes a very good FB.



Zidane is the greatest playmaker in the game...I don't care what anyone says having watched the man play so much since he arrived on the club scene in France, he's unlike any other player in the world...Always shows up for the big games and tournaments and is a magician with the ball...very smart player


Zidane seems to prefer playing a LM role that is more central, I never meant for him to be a "winger" but he pllays at Madrid on the left and drifts in, like Pires at Arsenal. Neither are LW but both can be classified as LM.



He would definately be in the middle with Ronaldinho another wizard on my team...


Much the same as Zidane, Ronaldinho seems to take up a RmM role with toatl freedom.



I'd also take Deco over Totti, they've had contrasting seasons and the Euro just confirmed it...Deco has been instrumental in Portugal's run (also at Porto where he carried them to CL glory)...Totti has been instrumental in...Italy's collapse. Trapattoni's system was based on Totti supporting Vieri and Del Piero when attacking...


Totti had an absolutely BLINDING season at Roma, 20 goals from an attacking MF is unreal! He is pure class on the pitch, the jewel in the crown of Italian football, but seems to be a punk and has not dazzled on the international stage, but don't let that fool you, he is a marvelos footballer. Deco is one of the best players in the world. His workrate and defending go almost unnoticed and are top rate, he played 55mins of RB yesterday! Very good player, the fact that he has been linked with Barca, Bayern, Real and Chelsea only prove as much.



On the left you definately have to go with Cristiano Ronaldo (in place of Zidane who's int he middle), because there's not that many options and for a 19 year old, he's done pretty well for the biggest club team in Europe, and in Euro 2004...


You can almost make the same case for Arjen Robben, who is only a year older and seems to have just as much end product as Ronaldo. Vicente is pure class on the left wing and right now, is the best of the 3 mentioned as far as consistancy and end product is concerned. He was one of the top 1 or 2 players in La Liga this season.



I am a big fan of Rosicky as well Boz...Bright, bright future it seems...
Gilardino (20 years old) in Italy scored some amazing goal this season as well and i'll be keeping an eye on him...

Rosicky had a BRUTAL season for Borussia Dortmund after taking the league by storm. He is a bit lightweight but is a creative wizard when on his game. He can really go either way right now, so the next 2 years will be very important for him.

Gilardino is being linked with Juventus. Parma have had him, Mutu and Adriano, 3 of the brightest ST prospects in the world over the past 2 years, their scouting and acedemy are impeccable. Simply fantastic.

Bodzilla29
06-25-2004, 01:08 PM
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1) Cristiano Ronaldo. Good player I agree, BUT like Ice pointed out to me, he went from no name to big name. He is overrated, and I hear he does some nice moves, but they don't really do much except look nice.


That was the case up until about February, and at that point Ronaldo turned it on and was one of the better performers in the EPL for the 2ndhalf of the year. He was voted player of the year by their supporters, and they know the game. No way a show pony would win Player of the year at that club.



All talented players who have played in Europe, are playing in Europe, or COULD play in Europe if they were not trying to make MLS popular :rolleyes:


Just because a player plays in Europe doesn't mean they are good. There are a lot of sub par players all over Europe.

Bodzilla29
06-25-2004, 01:10 PM
Baros should leave Liverpool because with Owen and Cisse around he won't play much. They paid a lot for Cisse so I think they will play him based on that.

Baros has been injuredsince he got to Liverpool and needs a chance. He is technically much better than Owen who only relies on pace and the long ball. Cisse and Baros would be better in my opinion.

Let's not forget, Owen onlyhas a year left on his contract andcan sign a pre-contract with any club in January, on a Bosman free. But he has already said if he leaves he wants Liverpool to be compensated.

Prime Time
06-25-2004, 01:19 PM
Not to get off topic, but this is cool that we are getting more soccer fans posting in this forum :up:

Pink_Dove
06-25-2004, 05:37 PM
And France loses to Greece :shakeno:
So much for them being great...
Ahhhh they truly were great with Deschamps, Blanc, Desailly, Lizarazu, Zidane in their prime but it seems they'll have to bring in the next generation now..

PT, I don't consider teams like Bastia, Fulham or Southampton quality sides..
When I see guys like Boca, Vanney, Sanneh etc..produce overseas i'll take more notice but, as I said I don't buy the fact they're in the MLS to make it a better league...Unfortunately most players think about themselves first these days and a move in Europe would guarantee them international exposure and money in the bank.In other words it would make sense for them to join some quality sides in Europe if they could..

The USA could make it a game against Brazil but technically so did Grenada in that 2nd game agianst the USA...That's the beauty of soccer, any team can win on any given day...

Prime Time
06-25-2004, 09:42 PM
Exactly, Pink Dove, that is what is great about soccer. I told that to Ice and he said no...:rolleyes:

Bastia, Fullham, and Southampton may not be quality sides, but they are European teams which are better and more talented then the MLS teams. Come on, a lot of people are being offered contracts to Europe...look at Donovan, but he keeps refusing to go. He is trying to make soccer in this country popular. Sanneh, Vanney, and Blackmouth ;) are never going to put up big numbers because they are defenders but trust me they defend well and can hang with that talent level. I also said France is good, but not great, Ice disagreed, I even said they could lose to Greece, he said they could but they wouldn't. So much for that :D. I love being right ;) :jk: :lol:

iceblizzard69
06-25-2004, 10:12 PM
Exactly, Pink Dove, that is what is great about soccer. I told that to Ice and he said no...:rolleyes:

Bastia, Fullham, and Southampton may not be quality sides, but they are European teams which are better and more talented then the MLS teams. Come on, a lot of people are being offered contracts to Europe...look at Donovan, but he keeps refusing to go. He is trying to make soccer in this country popular. Sanneh, Vanney, and Blackmouth ;) are never going to put up big numbers because they are defenders but trust me they defend well and can hang with that talent level. I also said France is good, but not great, Ice disagreed, I even said they could lose to Greece, he said they could but they wouldn't. So much for that :D. I love being right ;) :jk: :lol:

You also said that Germany was better than France and that the USA was better than the Czech Republic. Neither of those are right.

Fulham and Southampton are not bad sides. It is hard for Americans to play abroad because they have to deal with work permits, restrictions on how many foreigners can play on a team, and other stuff. Tim Howard for example got a work permit because his mom is Hungarian and when they joined the EU they would have had to let him play in England. Convey also had a work permit denied and I think he could have been good for Tottenham.

Prime Time
06-26-2004, 11:42 AM
When is the last time US has played Czech? When they play and lose then I'll "admit it" :up:

iceblizzard69
06-26-2004, 05:41 PM
When is the last time US has played Czech? When they play and lose then I'll "admit it" :up:

Two teams don't have to play each other to find out whose better. The Czech Republic is clearly better, they have better players and perform very well against talent that the USA would struggle against.

And also, didn't you tell me that Sweden was going to win the whole thing? Well, I guess that won't be happening now (I did want to see them win though).

Prime Time
06-26-2004, 10:14 PM
How is the Czech Republic CLEARLY better? They didn't even make the last World Cup. They should play, then I could tell you which is better. BTW, yes I did say Sweden would win, because it would have been a feel good story, but they were eliminated today. It is either Czech or Portugal coming away with it this year....

iceblizzard69
06-26-2004, 11:40 PM
How is the Czech Republic CLEARLY better? They didn't even make the last World Cup. They should play, then I could tell you which is better. BTW, yes I did say Sweden would win, because it would have been a feel good story, but they were eliminated today. It is either Czech or Portugal coming away with it this year....

Just because they didn't qualify for the World Cup doesn't mean they are better. Just look at their roster or just watch them play. Holland also didn't go to the last World Cup, and they are also clearly better than the USA.

Prime Time
06-27-2004, 12:20 PM
Not true. Holland beat us 1-0 last time we played though. But, If you don't make the World Cup, you are not clearly better then any team that made the Cup, because you couldn't even make the WC, even with all the talent.

iceblizzard69
06-27-2004, 06:11 PM
Not true. Holland beat us 1-0 last time we played though. But, If you don't make the World Cup, you are not clearly better then any team that made the Cup, because you couldn't even make the WC, even with all the talent.

Not every team has the same route to the World Cup. The Czech Republic would have qualified out of CONCACAF. Your argument is weak.

BTW, the Czech Republic beat Denmark 3-0 today. Is the USA still better? :rolleyes2

The World Cup is one tournament. Just because you qualify doesn't mean that you are better than any team who doesn't. Do you not think that Holland and the Czech Republic are clearly better than Saudi Arabia?