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burton87
06-21-2004, 09:11 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1825839



As a rocket fan, I'm really disappointed were giving up what we are to get TMac. I don't want him.
I like stevie. :cry:
I like mobley. :cry:
I like Cato. :cry:

BOOOOOOOOOOO THIS TRADE :fire:

t2thejz
06-21-2004, 09:18 PM
yea its a stupid trade by the rockets

LIQUID24
06-21-2004, 09:30 PM
I think it's a good trade for the Rockets (and the Magic as well). It was well documented that Francis and Van Gundy did not see eye-to-eye.

As a Laker fan, I am not happy to see T-Mac in our conference.

ThunderCane
06-21-2004, 10:56 PM
I heard it was not going to be done cause Stevie does not want to go to Orlando. I heard it on ESPN...who knows?! :shakeno:

Deez Nutz
06-22-2004, 12:24 AM
I just heard on ESPN that it's done as long as the Bobcats don't take any of them. Steve Francis said he doesn't wish to go to Orlando and as soon as he gets there will request a trade, but, if he doesn't get a trade, he will still play for the Magic.

Clumpy
06-22-2004, 12:44 AM
Sounds like a stupid trade for the Rockets. Why get someone that will likely opt-out after 04 :shakeno:

Fresh
06-22-2004, 12:19 PM
It's basically a done deal if the Bobcats don't take Juwan Howard tonight, and I don't think they will take anybody with a deal as long as his(I believe he has 4-years left at around $6-8m a year).

Prime Time
06-22-2004, 12:30 PM
This trade is stupid for Houston IMO. They are giving up way too much for him IMO. T-Mac isn't even a top 5 player in the NBA. He is a top 10 player in the league but I wouldn't give up that much for him. This could be like the trade made in baseball last year for Richie Sexson, giving up numerous quality players for one All-Star, and so far in baseball it hasn't panned out well for the D-backs.

AggieFin21
06-22-2004, 01:56 PM
Well I'm a Rockets fan and I'm all for it. It's obvious "The Franchise" isn't living up to the name. Lets not make the mistake of thinking that it was Francis that took the Rockets to the playoffs last year. Van Gundy had a lot to do with it and I hear some guy named Yao Ming might have had a little to do with it as well. (It was however Stevie Franchise who decided to dribble the ball for 15 seconds then put up an off balance 3 pt. shot with a defender in his face that cost the Rockets a game against the Lakers.) It's obvious that Francis doesn't fit well into Van Gundy's new "Big Man" scheme. As much as he wants to say that he's working on it and he's all for it, it's just a bunch of bull. Francis is a scorer, plain and simple. And his misses and air ball shots are getting old when he's trying to "make plays". Francis had the chance to be the leader of this team and failed, time to move on.

I don't mind seeing Mobley go too much either. He's a little to streaky for me, though when he's hot, he's very hot...I'll give him that. If he could stay consistant then I wouldn't have a problem with him, but as of late he can't. And as for Cato, well I'll miss the rebounds...and the 6 extra fouls and the overpriced contract...Oh wait a minute. We've got a 7'6 center for rebounds...and Mo Taylor for the fouls...so all I'm really missing is the contract right?

Now in McGrady we're getting another scorer with a constant playmaking ability, nice outside shot and more importantly someone who wants to win and wants to be here. He's publicly said that he wants to play in Houston with a top notch big man. Last time I check we had both of those. And mark my words, or the tape or board, whatever you want. Yao Ming will be the premier center in the NBA next year! Better than Wallace, J.O'Neal an yes even Shaq. IMO this is a great trade for the Rockets, so if everything hits I say pull the trigger.

Fresh
06-22-2004, 01:58 PM
This trade is stupid for Houston IMO. They are giving up way too much for him IMO. T-Mac isn't even a top 5 player in the NBA. He is a top 10 player in the league but I wouldn't give up that much for him. This could be like the trade made in baseball last year for Richie Sexson, giving up numerous quality players for one All-Star, and so far in baseball it hasn't panned out well for the D-backs.

It's not like they're trading the team away. I'm not completely in favor of this trade, but who is gonna stop T-Mac and Yao? Find that answer and then come back to me. And no, it's not Shaq and Kobe, because I doubt they're together next year.

I'm not gonna have a complete mind set on this trade until free agency is all said and done. Let's see if Houston can come away with a decent point guard like Carlos Arroyo or Rafer Alston. Many sources are saying that they're after Fisher as well.

I'm really starting to like Orlando's chances at being challenging Miami for the division title.

Prime Time
06-22-2004, 02:16 PM
It's not like they're trading the team away. I'm not completely in favor of this trade, but who is gonna stop T-Mac and Yao? Find that answer and then come back to me. And no, it's not Shaq and Kobe, because I doubt they're together next year.



But If they are together next year then that will be my answer :D

AggieFin21
06-22-2004, 02:33 PM
I'm not gonna have a complete mind set on this trade until free agency is all said and done. Let's see if Houston can come away with a decent point guard like Carlos Arroyo or Rafer Alston. Many sources are saying that they're after Fisher as well.
Hadn't even realized that Fisher and Alston were going to be on the market. I'd love to see either of them out there with Jimmy Jackson at the SF and...wait who's going to play the PF. And if you say Mo Taylor I'ma smack you! :D

Fresh
06-23-2004, 04:06 AM
Hadn't even realized that Fisher and Alston were going to be on the market. I'd love to see either of them out there with Jimmy Jackson at the SF and...wait who's going to play the PF. And if you say Mo Taylor I'ma smack you! :D

Juwan Howard is in the deal. He'll play the 4.

Fresh
06-23-2004, 04:09 AM
Deal hit a snag? http://realgm.com/src_wiretap.php

"Looking elsewhere, the Magic entered into serious discussions with Phoenix yesterday, and the Suns are offering Shawn Marion, the up-and-coming Joe Johnson and this year's first-round pick (seventh over all), for McGrady."

Orlando would have to be the dumbest team in the NBA to take Houston's deal over that. Are they stupid? Too young studs and #7 overall?

Look at that line-up:

1-Devin Harris(#7 overall)
2-Joe Johnson
3-Shawn Marion
4-Drew Gooden
5-Emeka Okafor(#1 overall)

That's sick in the future.

t2thejz
06-23-2004, 10:41 AM
So the deals not done yet

AggieFin21
06-23-2004, 11:09 AM
Deal hit a snag? http://realgm.com/src_wiretap.php

"Looking elsewhere, the Magic entered into serious discussions with Phoenix yesterday, and the Suns are offering Shawn Marion, the up-and-coming Joe Johnson and this year's first-round pick (seventh over all), for McGrady."

Orlando would have to be the dumbest team in the NBA to take Houston's deal over that. Are they stupid? Too young studs and #7 overall?

Look at that line-up:

1-Devin Harris(#7 overall)
2-Joe Johnson
3-Shawn Marion
4-Drew Gooden
5-Emeka Okafor(#1 overall)

That's sick in the future.
Only problem I see with that line up is Okafor would be more suited to playing PF than C, a sort of Duncan or J.O'Neal-ish type situation. He's not a true center.

Fresh
06-23-2004, 01:15 PM
He's not a true center, but it is the Eastern Conference.

I mean...there's even a chance Stromile Swift plays center this year, especially if he comes to the East.

Bodzilla29
06-23-2004, 02:37 PM
Gooden is horrible. All he does is hit the offensive boards. If you are looking at him to play major minutes at PF your team is destined to struggle.

Okafor looks to be a PF, he measured at 6'8 3/4 at a workout, without shoes.

Orlando gm on T-Mac "I'm pretty sure we could have finished in last place without T-Mac." He has won NOTHING in his career and is another Iverson waiting to happen. His practice habits are shoddy and who's to say he will give the ball to Yao if he does go? One of the more overrated players around.

Franchise is a petulant little baby. Please alert me when he isn't crying or having that "someone just stole my lunch money" look....overrated as well.

These players were made for each other and it is hilarious that they will be dealt for each other.

AggieFin21
06-23-2004, 07:24 PM
What's this I hear about the Phoenx Suns in the mix now?! :yell: T-Mac for Marion? I swear I'll become the biggest Suns hater around if they come in and screw this up for the Rockets.:fire:

Deez Nutz
06-23-2004, 09:00 PM
Francis says that if he's traded to the Magic he will opt out, so I imagine it would be a three team trade sending T-Mac to the Rockets, Francis to the Suns, and Marion to the Magic. At least that's my guess.

Fresh
06-24-2004, 08:38 AM
Okafor looks to be a PF, he measured at 6'8 3/4 at a workout, without shoes.


This is the Eastern Conference. Okafor can and probably will play center, whether he's a Magic or Bobcat.

AggieFin21
06-25-2004, 11:32 AM
Consider this deal as good as done gentlemen. In an article released by the Orlando Sentinel, Steve Francis has met with the Magic's owner and through his agent has annouced that he no longer has any reservations about playing for the magic and likes the view that the management has for the future of the team. So it looks as if the deal will go something like this:

Francis, Mobley and Cato for McGrady, Howard, Lue and Gaines.

Further cementing the deal was the Magic trading for PG Jameer Nelson. Since they're shipping out both their PGs, they'll need a servicable back up to Francis. But to play devil's advocate, I guess it could also be viewed as trading for someone to compete at the PG spot if they dont get Francis.

So with the deal going down it appears the Rockets starting roster will look something like this...

c- Yao Ming
pf- Juwan Howard
sf- Jim Jackson
sg- Tracy McGrady
pg- ??? (Here's where it gets interesting. We've got a nice veteran in Mark Jackson but I'd really like to see Mike Wilks step up, hit his potential and crack the starting line up. Then again, going after a Derek Fisher or Rafer Alston peeks my interest as well)

SMadison29
06-28-2004, 01:18 AM
I wouldn't trade T-Mac for Marion & others because that would leave the Magic without any shooters. If you trade a prolific scorer like T-Mac you have to get a scorer & someone that can shoot in return. Marion is a very good all around player but he can't carry a team nor dependable in the clutch. For that I think the Francis & Mobley deal is better. I wouldn't count on it but a Francis-Mobley-Hill-Gooden-the Center(won't be Howard) is a very promising future.

Bodzilla29
06-28-2004, 11:59 AM
I wouldn't count on it but a Francis-Mobley-Hill-Gooden-the Center(won't be Howard) is a very promising future.

You don't actually think Hill will actually play a full season ever again to you man? He is finished, and if he ever does come back he will NOT be the Grant Hill of the Detroit Pistons, he will be a shell of his former self. You can't be out of the game injured for 4 years and come back the same.

Gooden is brutal. Waste of ability. If he is counted on to play major minutes the Magic will be lottory bound again.

No center to speak of in Magicland, maybe Cato. I think he would be ok as just a defender/rebounder. Better than any loser Orlando threw out last year.

Francais and Mobley are both volume shooters and need to learn how to play a team game or Dwight Howard will never get the ball down low, that is if he is even bothered enough to go down there.

Mbley is my favorite player in the deal, but obviously not the best(in terms of ability).

Fresh
06-29-2004, 11:25 AM
Mobley and Cato are more than likely on the move, just to remind you.

t2thejz
06-30-2004, 04:32 PM
This next NBA season will be wierd with all of these players in new uniforms. Thats just the way profesional sports are these days

Fresh
06-30-2004, 05:34 PM
This next NBA season will be wierd with all of these players in new uniforms. Thats just the way profesional sports are these days

And now Nene is spitting fire in the Brazil papers saying the Nugs are discussing moving him for K-Mart, but he wants to come to Miami where he'd be 8 hours from home. :up:

t2thejz
06-30-2004, 07:16 PM
Yea..how good is he anyway though. I know he is young. How much potential does he have?