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Prime Time
06-29-2004, 09:20 PM
Not many threads about them lately, but right now they are struggling to win ball games. They are playing .500 ball and the hitting isn't picking up although A-Gon has really stepped up. We need another hitter without question, maybe we cna do a little package including Nunez and some prospects for a bat, because we desperately need one.

Deez Nutz
06-29-2004, 10:47 PM
I haven't been watching as many games lately, but from what I've heard, Billy Koch isn't doing as good as they had hoped he would do

burton87
06-29-2004, 11:11 PM
Just be thankful your not a diamondback fan. :(

ThunderCane
06-30-2004, 12:27 AM
Both of our aces our injured and the hitting is hot and cold, no different from anyother team excluding the F'ing Yanks.
Getting another bat would not hurt that is for sure. The biggest problem for the Marlins is hitting when there is a man in scoring position. The Marlins might be the worst at this in the NL. Most of the HRs the Marlins hit are with no one on base. I am sure this is driving Jack insane.
I am not to worried about anything at this moment. After the all-star fake is when we ahould turn it on, I HOPE!

Prime Time
06-30-2004, 12:30 AM
Right now our Pitchers are getting upset because they are pitching good enough to win games but they lose and are having bad records due to our terrible hitting.

nyjunc
06-30-2004, 06:53 AM
Both of our aces our injured and the hitting is hot and cold, no different from anyother team excluding the F'ing Yanks.
Getting another bat would not hurt that is for sure. The biggest problem for the Marlins is hitting when there is a man in scoring position. The Marlins might be the worst at this in the NL. Most of the HRs the Marlins hit are with no one on base. I am sure this is driving Jack insane.
I am not to worried about anything at this moment. After the all-star fake is when we ahould turn it on, I HOPE!

You haven;t been paying attention to all the yankee injuries: Brown, Mussina, Quantrill, Giambi, Sheffield, Bernie, Posada, Lee... The Yanks have battled through them all.

nick1
06-30-2004, 08:08 AM
You haven;t been paying attention to all the yankee injuries: Brown, Mussina, Quantrill, Giambi, Sheffield, Bernie, Posada, Lee... The Yanks have battled through them all.

thats because the Yankees are f'ing stacked, they have depth on top of depth now go tell someone who likes the Yankees

nyjunc
06-30-2004, 02:40 PM
Brad Halsey is amazing depth for our pitching rotation :rolleyes:

t2thejz
06-30-2004, 03:34 PM
I like the yankees and there kicking A.S.S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Prime Time
06-30-2004, 04:20 PM
Postseason is all that matters to the Yanks and like the past few years, they aren't winning it all.

t2thejz
06-30-2004, 04:31 PM
They should have it this year. The only thing that worries me is their pitching.

Deez Nutz
06-30-2004, 06:16 PM
It's too bad the Yankees don't have a future. They gave away all of their prospects and minor league players for a bunch of old washed up names.

t2thejz
06-30-2004, 07:14 PM
Ummm....A Rod, Jeter, Sheffield, Matsui, Posada, Conterus, Giambi, Vasques. Are you kidding me. :shakeno:

Deez Nutz
06-30-2004, 08:39 PM
yea, and who do they have when those players retire? Who can they bring up? And who'se in their farm system that they can throw away to buy more players? I highly doubt every team will take cash and future draft picks for their star players.

nick1
06-30-2004, 09:19 PM
I like the yankees and there kicking A.S.S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

until they play the Marlins again in this world seris

Prime Time
06-30-2004, 09:22 PM
I don't doubt that. Every year there will be teams with a Carlos Beltran situation on their hands and with the Yankees money, they will always be able to buy talent. It is unfortunate that things are that way though. I believe Baseball needs a cap and soon.

TerryTate
06-30-2004, 09:26 PM
It's too bad the Yankees don't have a future. They gave away all of their prospects and minor league players for a bunch of old washed up names.

Are you kidding me? They have never had a good farm system....they buy their talent plain and simple, who cares about a farm system anyways
:rolleyes:

nyjunc
07-01-2004, 07:14 AM
Are you kidding me? They have never had a good farm system....they buy their talent plain and simple, who cares about a farm system anyways
:rolleyes:

Not true at all, the latest dynasty was built through th system: Jeter, Bernie, Posada, Mariano, Pettitte, Soriano(wasn't around for the Championships but another homegrown player turned into a star),...

The only teams to "buy" Championships are the 1997 Florida Marlins and 2001 Arizona Diamonbacks and both had to do it to be able to win so quickly. The Yanks latest dynasty was built around an outstanding core of players brought up through their system. They also traded away good prospects to get other players in order to win(Eric Milton, Christain Guzman, Sterling Hitchcock, Mike Lowell,...). They started going crazy after high $ FAs in the past 3 years and in that time we haven't won a World Championship.

nyjunc
07-01-2004, 07:16 AM
I don't doubt that. Every year there will be teams with a Carlos Beltran situation on their hands and with the Yankees money, they will always be able to buy talent. It is unfortunate that things are that way though. I believe Baseball needs a cap and soon.


If MLb is so screwed up why have they had more Champions than any other major sport in the past 25 years or so?

Since 1980(I'm sure it goes back alot further than this but to make it easier I took it from '80):

MLB: 16 different champions-Phi, LA(twice), SL, Bal, Det, KC, NYM, Min(twice), Oak, Cin, Tor, Atl, NYY(4 times), Fla(twice), Ari, Ana

NHL: 10 different champions-NYI(4 times), Edm(5 times), Mon(2 times), Cal, Pit(2 times), NYR, NJD(3 times), Col(twice), Det(3 times), Dal, TB

NFL: 12 different Champions-Raiders(2 times), SF(5 times), Was(3 times), Chi, NYG(2 times), Dal(3 times), GB, Den(2 times), SL, Bal, NE(2 times), TB

NBA: 7 different Champions-LAL(8 times), Bos(3 times), Phi, Det(3 times), Chi(6 times), Hou(2 times), SA(2 times)


If the game is so unfair and "no other teams can compete" then why does MLB have the most different Champions?

No one complained when the Yanks stunk in the late 80s-early 90s and the Twins & A's were great. The A's stole Rickey henderson from the yanks in '89 which keyed their title run for Greg caderet, Eric plunk & Luis polonia. The Twin set the salry bar by signing Kirby Puckett to the then largest contract in MLB history. Why was it ok then and not now?

Also, Anaheim had a low salary # in '02 and they won a WS, last year it was the Marlins, in '98 SD made the WS. if it was just about money then Bal, NYM, LA, Bos would have won one by now or the Yanks would win every year. Money helps but you need to make good decisions and that is more important.

t2thejz
07-01-2004, 11:15 AM
I hate agreeing with a jets fan

Prime Time
07-01-2004, 01:17 PM
:rolleyes: This stat of the last 25 years is wack. I bet you If I went back a few years (or did it in last 10 years or something) we would have a different sport with this stat. Baseball needs a cap, without question.

nyjunc
07-01-2004, 02:45 PM
:rolleyes: This stat of the last 25 years is wack. I bet you If I went back a few years (or did it in last 10 years or something) we would have a different sport with this stat. Baseball needs a cap, without question.

It's hard to argue that when the yanks have not won a WS since 2000.

TerryTate
07-01-2004, 05:12 PM
Not true at all, the latest dynasty was built through th system: Jeter, Bernie, Posada, Mariano, Pettitte, Soriano(wasn't around for the Championships but another homegrown player turned into a star),...

Okay, now that those players are out of the way, lets see how the NYY get the automatic post-season birth and a great chance to compete for a championship EVERY YEAR....

Jason Giambi from the Oakland A's
PAY-ROD from Texas for Alphonso Soriano (traded your homegrown talent for the best player in the game, this was done by Texas to clear cap room, it was BY NO MEANS an even trade)
Mike Mussina - the former Baltimore Ace if i remember correctly
Hideki Matsui - Godzilla from JApan, possibly the best JApanese hitter ever
Kenny Lofton - One of the best lead-off men of all time
Ruben Sierra - One of the bash brothers that is well-suited as a DH now....follows the tradition of washed up power hitters such as Jose CanSUCKO

The Yankee Salary is three+ times that of the world Champion Florida MArlins and the argument is not that the Yankers win the WS every year, its the fact that they are a LOCK for the post-season in a sport where only 4 teams from the American League make it...thats also a crock of sh!t....the yankees buy talent to fill holes that their Farm League doesnt produce, and the FArm lEague hasnt produced a young sensation since the guys you mentioned....

Baseball needs a cap, and thats proof right there....A-Rod shouldve been the last straw.

Prime Time
07-01-2004, 05:39 PM
Well said TT :up:! In the AL it only has 3 spots for playoffs because Yankees are always taking one of the real four spots. So only 3 teams every year can make it. The reason they haven't won the WS is because they are getting outplayed but see how teams struggle seasons later and then Yankee fans call them a one year wonder, that is because of the money teams have. And every year Yankees can go out and get ebst player out there in FA. It is BS. Teams like the Marlins are struggling to keep their talent.

nyjunc
07-01-2004, 06:41 PM
And what have we won since we started to go after high $ FAs again? NOTHING! Maybe if other owners weren't so concerned w/ their own pockets and worried about winning then they could be as good as the yanks are every year but many owners choose to not spend so they can make more $. George is not even close to the wealthiest owner in MLB and Yankee Stadium doesn't make near as much $ as other new Stadiums but he puts all the $ back into the team.

On top of the payroll the yanks also pay an enormous amount for the luxury tax which goes to the lower payroll teams, do they put it back into the team? No, those owners put it in their wallets. A few years ago Cincy got about $10 mil from the yanks, did they get a player or 2? No, they used it to help build their Stadium. George can't build a new Stadium but other owners are building Stadiums off of his $.

1 more thing, the yanks fill up every ballpark they go into. Does anyone complain about them then? They love them when they can make an extra mil or 2 for a 3 game set but when george spends $ to win they have a problem.

The bottom line is even though the Yanks payroll is much higher nothig is guaranteed. The last 2 Champions had low-mid payrolls and both defeated the Yanks, if it was just about $ then it would only be high payroll teams in the postseason but ti is not.

TerryTate
07-01-2004, 07:24 PM
And what have we won since we started to go after high $ FAs again? NOTHING! Maybe if other owners weren't so concerned w/ their own pockets and worried about winning then they could be as good as the yanks are every year but many owners choose to not spend so they can make more $. George is not even close to the wealthiest owner in MLB and Yankee Stadium doesn't make near as much $ as other new Stadiums but he puts all the $ back into the team.

On top of the payroll the yanks also pay an enormous amount for the luxury tax which goes to the lower payroll teams, do they put it back into the team? No, those owners put it in their wallets. A few years ago Cincy got about $10 mil from the yanks, did they get a player or 2? No, they used it to help build their Stadium. George can't build a new Stadium but other owners are building Stadiums off of his $.

1 more thing, the yanks fill up every ballpark they go into. Does anyone complain about them then? They love them when they can make an extra mil or 2 for a 3 game set but when george spends $ to win they have a problem.

The bottom line is even though the Yanks payroll is much higher nothig is guaranteed. The last 2 Champions had low-mid payrolls and both defeated the Yanks, if it was just about $ then it would only be high payroll teams in the postseason but ti is not.

You missed my point entirely....it was that they were a LOCK for the playoffs....thats the beef I had, when was the last time they missed the playoffs? 1994,1995??? AS i said before, when a team getsa free pass into the playoffs when only 4 teams make it there is ridiculous. All that spending insures that they get in.

nyjunc
07-01-2004, 07:34 PM
You missed my point entirely....it was that they were a LOCK for the playoffs....thats the beef I had, when was the last time they missed the playoffs? 1994,1995??? AS i said before, when a team getsa free pass into the playoffs when only 4 teams make it there is ridiculous. All that spending insures that they get in.

The last time the yanks missed the playoffs was 1993, we had the best record in the AL in '94 until the strike. I also grew up never seeing the yanks in the postseason, we missed the postseason from '82-'94. The ridiculous payroll only came about around '00 and we had already made 6 straight postseasons.

Also, I didn't miss your point but I think you may have missed mine. Like I said money definitely helps but you need to make good decisions. Oakland has been int he playoffs for 4 straight years and they don't have a big payroll while the Mets have missed the last 3, Bal the last 6, the Dodgers the last 7. Also, why don't you complain about the Braves, the last postseason w/o the Braves was 1990.

Prime Time
07-01-2004, 10:32 PM
Like TT said, you are missing the point. Every team should have an equal shot at making the playoffs every year. The Yanks make it every year because of the $$$. Baseball needs a cap, no Ifs, Ands, or Buts about it.

t2thejz
07-02-2004, 07:53 AM
Anyone see the Yankee game last night. Boy is Jeter tough. He has rings, and the money yet he still sacrifices his body for a win. If you saw the game you would know what Im talking about. Man that was a great game though!!!

nyjunc
07-02-2004, 10:08 AM
Anyone see the Yankee game last night. Boy is Jeter tough. He has rings, and the money yet he still sacrifices his body for a win. If you saw the game you would know what Im talking about. Man that was a great game though!!!


Amazing game and amazing play by Jeter(though it wasn't the smartest play, I'd rather he drop the ball and Boston win then to lose him for an extended period of time). Jeter may not put up #s like Nomar and other SS but he makes plays like last night and has a will to win that is greater than any of them and that's why I have always said that while Jeter isn't the best SS in the game I wouldn't trade him for any of the others.

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2004/07/1088757412-1.jpg

t2thejz
07-02-2004, 11:09 AM
He is just a class act and is all about winning. Thats why I like the Yankees they are full of class act guys.

Prime Time
07-02-2004, 04:12 PM
It was an amazing play, but Pokey Reese did the exact same thing prior to that he just didn't hurt himself.

TerryTate
07-02-2004, 04:21 PM
The last time the yanks missed the playoffs was 1993, we had the best record in the AL in '94 until the strike. I also grew up never seeing the yanks in the postseason, we missed the postseason from '82-'94. The ridiculous payroll only came about around '00 and we had already made 6 straight postseasons.

Also, I didn't miss your point but I think you may have missed mine. Like I said money definitely helps but you need to make good decisions. Oakland has been int he playoffs for 4 straight years and they don't have a big payroll while the Mets have missed the last 3, Bal the last 6, the Dodgers the last 7. Also, why don't you complain about the Braves, the last postseason w/o the Braves was 1990.

I dont complain about the Bravos because they never had a payroll that was so far seperated from everyone else and really didnt tack on players whenever they got, they kept the same crew together for the most part....I'm not Mr.-Know-it-all with baseball, however I'm not gonna give ANY credit to Brian Cashman, cause when you get to work with the Budget he's got, you can look good too, give me a break....and dont play the "feel bad for me from 82-94 card" on me because after all the championships the yanks won before that, you shouldnt complain, some teams havent made the post-season in MORE than 12 years, look at the Brewers(it might be that long for them)

Just come to the realization that only you and other yankee fans are the only ones that think baseball doesnt need a salary cap due to your homerism.

Prime Time
07-02-2004, 04:24 PM
Exactly TT. And all that BS about them paying the lower budget teams money for going over what is the supposed "cap" is BS, because lets say you go over by 50 million ( I dont know the exact number), spread that out by 6 or 7 teams and that is not a lot of money.

nyjunc
07-02-2004, 05:35 PM
I guess it was ok for the Braves to outbid the yanks for Greg Maddux? and for the Braves to steal Fred Mcgriff for nothing or get some of the other palyers they got. During the latest dynasty the yanks payroll was not out of whack like it is now, in fact they were #2 in payroll in 1998 when they won 125 games. I'll say it one more time, since we have gone back to the crazy spending ways we haven't won anything. Other baseball fans should be happy we have made mostly foolish moves(until this offseason) b/c it ended our latest dynasty.

I never said MLB doesn't need a cap but i wonder why MLB has ha dthe most different Champions while other leagues have had dynasty after dynasty and those other leagues have caps(NBA & NFL).

Prime Time
07-03-2004, 02:22 PM
:rolleyes: Has had the most different champions in the past 25 years. Like I said I could make that stat for another sport just change the years around. That is a uselss stat and holds no arguement IMO.

nyjunc
07-03-2004, 03:49 PM
It's not useless, it shows the competitive balance that supposedly isn't there in MLB. MLB has had 1 dynasty in the past 30 years while the NFL, NBA & NHL have had numerous dynasties. If it wasn't fair why is this? Why aren't the large market teams winning every year, when the last 2 Champions have had low-mid level payrolls the argument holds no water. If it was just large payroll teams winning then you have facts to back it up but that's not the case.

SMadison29
07-06-2004, 01:14 AM
Beckett gets hurt every start now. He's killing my fantasy baseball team now, along with Hudson, Brown, & Nen.

Prime Time
07-06-2004, 01:44 PM
:rolleyes: Like I have stated prior to this post, I could change the years around and find another sport to take the crown for that stat. It is a pointless stat.

burton87
07-06-2004, 03:00 PM
I hope the marlins loose every game for the remainder of the season, All it does is force Mare to kick off of infield. :D :D :D

go_fins
07-06-2004, 03:33 PM
Marlins will repeat!!! WE STILL BELIEVE!!!!

nyjunc
07-06-2004, 03:46 PM
:rolleyes: Like I have stated prior to this post, I could change the years around and find another sport to take the crown for that stat. It is a pointless stat.

Stop talking about it and do it. The facts are that MLB has had ONE dynasty in the last 30 years and it ended 4 years ago while the other sports have had dynasty after dynasty.

Prime Time
07-06-2004, 04:10 PM
I am not going to do it because I do not have the time right now to do it. Maybe some day :)

nyjunc
07-06-2004, 04:12 PM
It won't take too long :D