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Mr.Murder
06-30-2004, 06:08 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,123438,00.html

Click it before they edit the link or take it down...

Mr.Murder
06-30-2004, 06:14 PM
And this made us safer....http://nocapital.blogspot.com/2004_06_01_nocapital_archive.html#108860273822659928

Ashcroft singing that tune about Eagles but eltting terro go. Stay in Missouri and buy houses for 19 year old babysitters while you pardon and son with a growroom habit (50 pot plants worth). Wonder if his name is purged on the FLA rolls...

PhinPhan1227
06-30-2004, 06:14 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,123438,00.html

Click it before they edit the link or take it down...


Still waiting for Kerry's full military records and ANY of his wifes financial statements. Tell you what, Kerry can keep the rest of his records covered if his wife will uncover her financials from just last year...deal?

Mr.Murder
06-30-2004, 06:16 PM
I worked with Paul Lukasiak in 2001 -- researching the origins of the Florida Voter Purge. He knows more than anybody about how Tom Feeney and the GOP sneaked the enabling legislation past the Democrats in the Florida Legislature.

Greg Palast reported that there were 8,000 names from Texas, that were part of the Florida False Felons list that was supplied to ChoicePoint. Bottom Line -- it was a Karl Rove scheme, that he had first tried out in Texas, in 1982.

Bottom Line -- the Bush Rove Criminal Conspiracy to Steal the Election was put in motion no later than 1998.

To check out my findings, do google search on The Texas Blueprint for the Stolen Election -- or click on the hompage URL: http://www.democrats.com/view.cfm?id=10362 Your state folks.

PhinPhan1227
06-30-2004, 06:17 PM
I worked with Paul Lukasiak in 2001 -- researching the origins of the Florida Voter Purge. He knows more than anybody about how Tom Feeney and the GOP sneaked the enabling legislation past the Democrats in the Florida Legislature.

Greg Palast reported that there were 8,000 names from Texas, that were part of the Florida False Felons list that was supplied to ChoicePoint. Bottom Line -- it was a Karl Rove scheme, that he had first tried out in Texas, in 1982.

Bottom Line -- the Bush Rove Criminal Conspiracy to Steal the Election was put in motion no later than 1998.

To check out my findings, do google search on The Texas Blueprint for the Stolen Election -- or click on the hompage URL: http://www.democrats.com/view.cfm?id=10362 Your state folks.


Still waiting for the Ketchup Files.

Mr.Murder
06-30-2004, 06:18 PM
And Bush's FEC papers for insider trading with Harken Oil? It's a two way steet there.

Section126
06-30-2004, 07:01 PM
And Bush's FEC papers for insider trading with Harken Oil? It's a two way steet there.


Murder.......please go back to your rubber room before you hurt yourself.

Section126
06-30-2004, 07:04 PM
And this made us safer....http://nocapital.blogspot.com/2004_06_01_nocapital_archive.html#108860273822659928

Ashcroft singing that tune about Eagles but eltting terro go. Stay in Missouri and buy houses for 19 year old babysitters while you pardon and son with a growroom habit (50 pot plants worth). Wonder if his name is purged on the FLA rolls...

OMG, do you know what it says at the top of that site you posted?

Here it is:

Political blog from the radical left.


:crazy:

DolFan31
06-30-2004, 07:04 PM
Murder.......please go back to your rubber room before you hurt yourself.

God forbid he uses his right to freedom of speech and stating his opinions/views.

Section126
06-30-2004, 07:20 PM
God forbid he uses his right to freedom of speech and stating his opinions/views.

He posted a link to a site that proclaims itself as the "Blog of the Radical Left" and then expects us to take him seriously.

Freedom of Speech my ***.

BigFinFan
06-30-2004, 07:21 PM
Don't you start 31!
:roflmao:

DolFan31
06-30-2004, 07:34 PM
Don't you start 31!
:roflmao:
:D

rorschach
06-30-2004, 08:14 PM
Section126--

If you have a problem with what I said, please advance arguments to prove me wrong. Just because you don't like the Left, that doesn't mean that Ashcroft was right in sending a suspected terrorist home to Syria, where he is very likely planning further attacks.

If the Right is doing that, and the Left is pointing out how stupid it is, which side do you want to be on?

Cheers.

rorschach
No Capital

Section126
06-30-2004, 08:22 PM
Section126--

If you have a problem with what I said, please advance arguments to prove me wrong. Just because you don't like the Left, that doesn't mean that Ashcroft was right in sending a suspected terrorist home to Syria, where he is very likely planning further attacks.

If the Right is doing that, and the Left is pointing out how stupid it is, which side do you want to be on?

Cheers.

rorschach
No Capital

:crazy:

http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif

rorschach
06-30-2004, 09:24 PM
That's about what I expected.

rorschach

Section126
06-30-2004, 10:15 PM
That's about what I expected.

rorschach

If you are the owner of that drek of a site...then, I repeat:

http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif

Mr.Murder
07-01-2004, 12:07 AM
Kind of funny that you post a$$clown pics instead of provide counterpoint dialogue...

We are safer with republican values. Pics of guys hamming it up for cams in straightjackets and Fox network is a bigtime porn marketer.

Family values indeed...

Section126
07-01-2004, 12:10 AM
Kind of funny that you post a$$clown pics instead of provide counterpoint dialogue...

We are safer with republican values. Pics of guys hamming it up for cams in straightjackets and Fox network is a bigtime porn marketer.

Family values indeed...

That guy is the average moveon.org contributer.

I like counter point dialog...but I won't debate somebody who is obviously irrational and possibly deranged.

Mr.Murder
07-01-2004, 12:25 AM
Now liberals drafted the Constitution and declared Independence. Republicans at the time were Loyalists, Torie sympathy types...

Phinzone
07-01-2004, 01:24 AM
Now liberals drafted the Constitution and declared Independence. Republicans at the time were Loyalists, Torie sympathy types...

Kind of funny that you say that considering Republicans are seen as staunchly clinging to the consitution, while Democrats push gay marriages and anti-gun and tobacco laws :shakeno:

rorschach
07-01-2004, 02:50 AM
Section126--

You know nothing about me, and yet you claim that I am an average MoveOn supporter. And you keep posting the inane straightjacket pic, as though it proves some point.

Again, the Republicans are doing nothing to make us safer from terrorism. They sent a terrorist back to Syria, a hotbed of terrorism. They need to be replaced by responsible people who care about our safety, don't you think?

rorschach
No Capital

iceblizzard69
07-01-2004, 09:31 AM
Kind of funny that you say that considering Republicans are seen as staunchly clinging to the consitution, while Democrats push gay marriages and anti-gun and tobacco laws :shakeno:

Gay marriages aren't against the constitution unless Bush gets his away and gets an amendment that discriminates against a certain group of people. :shakeno:

I don't think the government should be telling gays if they can get married or not. I tend to agree with Republicans on gun control though.

Section126
07-01-2004, 10:53 AM
Section126--

You know nothing about me, and yet you claim that I am an average MoveOn supporter. And you keep posting the inane straightjacket pic, as though it proves some point.

Again, the Republicans are doing nothing to make us safer from terrorism. They sent a terrorist back to Syria, a hotbed of terrorism. They need to be replaced by responsible people who care about our safety, don't you think?

rorschach
No Capital

Yeah, they need to be replaced by the same responsible people that have been wrong about every enemy that we have faced in the last 30 years. The same people that considered terrorism a criminal matter. The same people that would have NOT eliminated our enemies with prejudice as Bush has.

I say...NO THANK YOU.

PhinPhan1227
07-01-2004, 10:54 AM
Now liberals drafted the Constitution and declared Independence. Republicans at the time were Loyalists, Torie sympathy types...


Um...those guys were wealthy land owners trying to fight taxation on thier business dealings. "Big Business" as you like to throw that word around. Hardly the Liberal Ideal, although Mrs Heinz/Kerry seems to have taken FULL advantage of all the recent tax cuts and every loophole she could.

PhinPhan1227
07-01-2004, 10:56 AM
Section126--

You know nothing about me, and yet you claim that I am an average MoveOn supporter. And you keep posting the inane straightjacket pic, as though it proves some point.

Again, the Republicans are doing nothing to make us safer from terrorism. They sent a terrorist back to Syria, a hotbed of terrorism. They need to be replaced by responsible people who care about our safety, don't you think?

rorschach
No Capital


Actually, according to the 9/11 Commission, Al Quida has been severely damaged/hampered by the actions of the Bush administration. And as for those who "care about our safety", are you referring to the group that thought that cruise missile strikes would make the bad people go away?

Mr.Murder
07-01-2004, 09:14 PM
WHo was wrong about terror? Bush demoted Richard Clarke, Ashcroft cut terror funding before 9-11 but still quit flying under wanrings, and Bin Ladden/Al Qaeda was mentioned ONCE BEFORE 9-11.

By his entire administration. ONE TIME.

Mr.Murder
07-01-2004, 09:16 PM
WHO was wrong about terror? Bush demoted Richard Clarke, Ashcroft cut terror funding before 9-11 but still quit flying under warnings, and Bin Laden/Al Qaeda was mentioned ONCE BEFORE 9-11.

By his entire administration. ONE TIME.


Rogue states were their only concern. That being Iraq. He let the window of development for North Korea slam shut in his focus on the country he said he would not nation build over. Flip-flop Bush.

BigFinFan
07-01-2004, 09:18 PM
The Democratic Party's presidential front-runner, Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.), has pledged that if elected he will abandon the president's war on terror, begin a dialogue with terrorist regimes and apologize for three-and-one-half years of mistakes by the Bush administration

BigFinFan
07-01-2004, 09:23 PM
According to dissident Ayatollah Mehdi Haeri, who fled Iran for Germany after being held for four years in a regime prison, Iran's hard-line clerics "fear President Bush." In an interview with Insight, Haeri says that President Bush's messages of support to pro-democracy forces inside Iran and his insistence that the Iranian regime abandon its nuclear-weapons program "have given these people the shivers. They think that if Bush is re-elected, they'll be gone. That's why they want to see Kerry elected."

Mr.Murder
07-01-2004, 09:31 PM
Yeah right. According to the media and the INTEL community Ahmed Chalabi who sat behind the first lady at the State of the Union Address gave them codes which compromised our entire codework/encryption decipher capabilities.

So we can take the word of one "supposed" unloyal dissident or the word of the entire media and INTEL community including Wilson whose wife was the chief nuclear nonproliferation cover.

Section126
07-02-2004, 12:44 AM
Wilson whose wife was the chief nuclear nonproliferation cover.


SHE WAS A DESK JOCKEY.

She never had field clearance.

The one time she "might" have worked under cover, she was stationed in LONDON.

Joey Wilson's own BIO from 1998 said that his wife worked for the CIA.....so Joey outed her himself.

Where do you get this stuff? Or do you just make it up as you go along?

Mr.Murder
07-02-2004, 01:24 AM
She worked in London when Ahmed Chalabi was in exile there... the man who sat behind the First lady at the Sate of the Union.She was in the field when she was outed.

Show the excerpt of a 98 book where this was mentioned again please. The book most are familiar with was released earlier this year that mentions her at all, it is on my order list and will be required reading.

A desk jockey works in DC, nice to know they have an office in Nigeria that also does subcontracting ARAMACO the Saudi oil company...

PhinPhan1227
07-02-2004, 02:08 AM
WHo was wrong about terror? Bush demoted Richard Clarke, Ashcroft cut terror funding before 9-11 but still quit flying under wanrings, and Bin Ladden/Al Qaeda was mentioned ONCE BEFORE 9-11.

By his entire administration. ONE TIME.


Let a guy punch you in the face once without doing anything and it might not be a big deal...let him do it 5-6 times and you've taught him a lesson. Bill Clinton taught the terrorists a lesson.

Mr.Murder
07-02-2004, 02:17 AM
They punched Bush in the face four times on 9-11 and he kept reading kid's stories.

How many foreign attacks on our soil after the WTC bombing? How about those millenium terror plots that did nothing?


Bin Ladden/Al Qaeda was mentioned ONCE BEFORE 9-11.

By his entire administration. ONE TIME.
Thanks for blocking the Gore antiterror bill republicans.
http://www.cdt.org/policy/terrorism/adm-anti-terror-otl.html

Looks like Bill was doing more than you give him credit for. And if Bush is so right against terror why did he go to Oilraq to let Al Qaeda regroup and strengthen recruits because as the 9-11 commission stated the country was not the main tie to terror that would be Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia.

Mr.Murder
07-02-2004, 02:20 AM
August 6th PDB was 11 pages, not the usual 2 or 3, the CIA director flew to delvier it personally and go over it, Bush ended it to continue the longest vacation ever and go fishing.

Squirm all you want trying to play the blame game enough people are onto to it and this new movie only strengthens that well founded perception.

rorschach
07-02-2004, 04:39 AM
Wrong:

"More than a year of intensive efforts by the American military and the Central Intelligence Agency to destroy the insurgency in Iraq has failed to reduce the number of ``hard-core Saddamists'' seeking to destroy the interim Iraqi government, a former senior official of the just-dissolved American-led occupation authority said in an interview on Thursday. "

themole
07-02-2004, 09:10 AM
Now liberals drafted the Constitution and declared Independence. Republicans at the time were Loyalists, Torie sympathy types...

Tensions in Early American
Political Thought
Joseph R. Stromberg

According to the eminent historian of political thought J.G.A. Pocock, republican theory (or "civic humanism") was the most significant current of eighteenth-century English and American political philosophy. In the form of "country ideology," republicanism gave "left" and "right" critics of government policies a framework and believable rhetoric for their arguments. The so-called "radical Whiggism" of the American Revolution was itself, on this reading, merely an extreme and consistent version of the republican ideas of the English opposition.

From 1656, when James Harrington published a definitive statement of English republicanism in Oceana, down to the Americans' secession from the empire, republicanism furnished ideas for Tory party dissidents around Viscount Bolingbroke and their magazine, The Craftsman, and for various "commonwealthmen" and True Whigs on what we could perhaps call the original Left.

Have more if interested.

ltfinfan
07-02-2004, 09:12 AM
Section126--

If you have a problem with what I said, please advance arguments to prove me wrong. Just because you don't like the Left, that doesn't mean that Ashcroft was right in sending a suspected terrorist home to Syria, where he is very likely planning further attacks.

If the Right is doing that, and the Left is pointing out how stupid it is, which side do you want to be on?

Cheers.

rorschach
No Capital

um the left let bin laden go.

PhinPhan1227
07-02-2004, 10:23 AM
They punched Bush in the face four times on 9-11 and he kept reading kid's stories.

How many foreign attacks on our soil after the WTC bombing? How about those millenium terror plots that did nothing?


Bin Ladden/Al Qaeda was mentioned ONCE BEFORE 9-11.

By his entire administration. ONE TIME.
Thanks for blocking the Gore antiterror bill republicans.
http://www.cdt.org/policy/terrorism/adm-anti-terror-otl.html

Looks like Bill was doing more than you give him credit for. And if Bush is so right against terror why did he go to Oilraq to let Al Qaeda regroup and strengthen recruits because as the 9-11 commission stated the country was not the main tie to terror that would be Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia.

After the FIRST World Trade Center Bombing? Plenty...



Oct. 12, 2000 - A terrorist bomb damages the destroyer USS Cole in the port of Aden, Yemen, killing 17 sailors and injuring 39.

Aug. 7, 1998 - Terrorist bombs destroy the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. In Nairobi, 12 Americans are among the 291 killed, and over 5,000 are wounded, including 6 Americans. In Dar es Salaam, one U.S. citizen is wounded among the 10 killed and 77 injured.

In response, on August 20 the United States attacked targets in Afghanistan and Sudan with over 75 cruise missiles fired from Navy ships in the Arabian and Red seas. About 60 Tomahawk cruise missiles were fired from warships in the Arabian Sea. Most struck six separate targets in a camp near Khost, Afghanistan. Simultaneously, about 20 cruise missiles were fired from U.S. ships in the Red Sea striking a factory in Khartoum, Sudan, which was suspected of producing components for making chemical weapons.

June 21, 1998 - Rocket-propelled grenades explode near the U.S. embassy in Beirut.

June 25, 1996 - A bomb aboard a fuel truck explodes outside a U.S. air force installation in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. 19 U.S. military personnel are killed in the Khubar Towers housing facility, and 515 are wounded, including 240 Americans.


Nov. 13, 1995 - A car-bomb in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia kills seven people, five of them American military and civilian advisers for National Guard training. The "Tigers of the Gulf," "Islamist Movement for Change," and "Fighting Advocates of God" claim responsibility.


February 1993 - A bomb in a van explodes in the underground parking garage in New York's World Trade Center, killing six people and wounding 1,042.

BigFinFan
07-02-2004, 11:33 AM
They punched Bush in the face four times on 9-11 and he kept reading kid's stories.

You call it punching him in the face.

Those of us that have been in combat call what President Bush did composure and leadership.

themole
07-02-2004, 11:48 AM
You call it punching him in the face.

Those of us that have been in combat call what President Bush did composure and leadership.


There ya go! :up:

What would they have said, if he would have thrown the kid on the floor and dashed out!

"President looses composer, frightens children, upon hearing news of terrorist attacks".

They would have had a field day with a headline like that.

Good call "B"

PhinPhan1227
07-02-2004, 11:58 AM
There ya go! :up:

What would they have said, if he would have thrown the kid on the floor and dashed out!

"President looses composer, frightens children, upon hearing news of terrorist attacks".

They would have had a field day with a headline like that.

Good call "B"

That would have been the friendly Fox headline. The CNN headline would have read..

"President Panics during attack, tramples children in his rush to safety"

BigFinFan
07-02-2004, 12:00 PM
Kerry might have cut his finger on the pages of the book and received another Purple Heart.

Wonder if he would throw that one over the fence too?

Mr.Murder
07-02-2004, 09:45 PM
How many of those were on American soil after WTC bombing? Oh yeah zero and they arrested people plotting to hijack and bomb airliners. Thanks for noting the difference between our land and others 1227.

By the way the latest report on terror says it has increased, well over what you claimed were Clinton's shortcomings abroad 1227.

Five incidents abroad, and we launched missiles at the target source, the attempts to limit their funding was blocked with efforts by Dennis Hastert and newt Gingrich in Congress. Hastert was an early winner of an electronic voting scam after the comapny he ran served the state he was running for office in.


Gingrich, on the heels of an inpeachment process underwent a divorce of his wife after moving another woman into the house with him for nearly the duration of the Clinton witchhunt impeachment proceedings. He later resigned over campaign finance violations related to money from nonprofits(much like Al Qaeda) and political donations.

He threw his ribbons and medals others gave him in good faith to do so to show their outrage with a govenrment who was sending predominantly middle and lowerclass men to fight a war to support a government that replaced a Democratically chosen leader.

By the way Bin laden was not let go he was not available as claimed Against All Enemies proves that and the book was cleared by the Bush White house...

BigFinFan
07-03-2004, 12:30 AM
Soon after Kerry, as a Navy Lieutenant (junior grade) commanding a Swift boat in Vietnam, was awarded the Silver Star, he used a loop hole in Navy regulations to leave Vietnam and his crew before completing his tour of duty.

After returing home, he quit the Navy early and changed the color of his politics to become a leader of VVAW. Kerry wasted no time organizing opposition in the United States against the efforts of his former buddies still ducking communist bullets back in Vietnam. Kerry participated in the so-called Winter Soldier Investigation where his fellow protesters accused his fellow GIs of war crimes.

Kerry's betrayal of American prisoners of war, his blatant disrespect for the families of our missing in action, Vietnam veterans, the military, his support for communist Vietnam and his waffling over the issue of use of force in Iraq proves he is a self promoting Chameleon Senator who cannot be relied on to protect the best interests of the United States. Although Kerry voted to support military intervention in Iraq he is now claiming that he only approved the threat of force by the United States.

PhinPhan1227
07-03-2004, 11:15 AM
How many of those were on American soil after WTC bombing? Oh yeah zero and they arrested people plotting to hijack and bomb airliners. Thanks for noting the difference between our land and others 1227.

By the way the latest report on terror says it has increased, well over what you claimed were Clinton's shortcomings abroad 1227.
..


You obviously need to take some classes Murder. A United States Naval vessel IS United States soil. A United States Embassy IS United States soil. In EVERY way, those attacks might as well have taken place in the middle of Times Square. Clueless and Ignorant is no way to go through life son. Oh...and read the 9/11 report again. Al Quida's funding has been drastically reduced. And their organization has been splintered. That's stated quite clearly thank you very much. And as for an increase in terror...I haven't seen any US warships or US Embassies.

Mr.Murder
07-03-2004, 06:58 PM
He voted for the President to be authorized should 1441 be followed (Bush did not return to UN for vote to approve action). In fact if it wasn't about the oil, stupid... why did we start the action two days ahead of schedule once Saddam set fire to oil wells the Bechtel and Halliburton were liable for damage there perhaps?

Bush was not observed for duty at a time of war tell me how this is better? And Kerry did vote for payraises for soldiers. And the POW were exchanged and to say he would deliberately leave one behind reeks of partisanship. Ohhhh wait Rambo One , Two, and Three were true movies.

Not observed for duty, moved up over more capable prospects, and leaving 8 months early for Yale makes Bush a fit C-in-C...

Kerry was up for 2 tours. Bush toured the bars of Texas and Alabama and to have make-up duty to the unit he supposedly showed up for would have required make-up duty listed showing up to Boston.


Friday, July 02, 2004
Paul Lukasiak, who compiled that recent outstanding analysis of Bush's military records, "Deserter: The Story of George W. Bush After He Quit the Air National Guard", is about to release the second part of his work, titled "Discharge? or Desertion? How the Bush Files Show that Bush Deliberately Ignored His Legal Obligations to America's National Security". He's asking for readers to critique the work before he officially "releases" it.

If you're interested, write to him at awol@glcq.com. He'll send you a URL for the latest installment.

I'm particularly eager to read the portion of his work that Paul described in a post at Table Talk:

the "Deserter" article is just a fraction of what I've been able to come up with by comparing the records themselves to the laws and policies of that era.

right now, I'm working on the documents concerning Bush's actual discharge. Those documents make it clear that Bush's INTENTION was to blow off his Military Service Obligation.

The really fun part of all of this is that the White House doesn't realize how much information is in the payroll records that were released...

if they knew, they would never have released them.

At the bottom of each page, there are all these lines of incomprehensible "data"....as it turns out, those lines are the data that was entered INTO the payroll system.....and THAT information makes it clear that Bush engaged in pre-meditated fraud.

[Update: I see Paul has posted the working draft URL. You can get a sneak peek at it here.]
8:56 PM

Comments (3)(From Orcinus blog...http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/ )

http://www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpc1.htm There is the extensive body of work on Bush's failure at service. At a time of war.