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TerryTate
07-01-2004, 05:16 AM
I was talking to a conservative colleague of mine. He comes off as knowledgable about his biases and speaks his mind, usually saying things that shouldnt be said....comes of as racist, etc, but thats besides the point. While he worships President Reagan as one of the best presidents of all time, he DESPISES Franklin Delano Roosevelt and deems him the WORST president of all time.....now you may be wondering why.....

It's because FDR implemented WELFARE!!!!!! I cannot fathom how anyone could deem him the worst president or a bad president...regardless of your opinion on welfare, the fact that he took this country to a superpower status and lead the country through a gigantic war on two fronts, against the empire of Japan and Nazi Germany...not to mention he brought our country out of the great depression.

Please tell me that the conservatives on this board do not believe that FDR was a bad/terrible president :fire:

PS - People were giving Barry Bonds heat for saying that he would never go to Boston since the city is too racist. While I cant stand BBonds, I understand his argument....this guy is from that area and is REALLY racist. I know hes not part of the whole there, but he sure doesnt help the situation.

Clumpy
07-01-2004, 05:45 AM
There are more WHITES on welfare than BLACKS, but there is a higher percentage of the black and hispanic populations on welfare than is seen in the white population. Basic Sociology 101

Sad misrepresentation on his part. FDR will always be remembered as one of, if not the, best Presidents we've had. Did he have his transgressions and faults, of course, all humans do, but no way can anyone justify what your friend said

iceblizzard69
07-01-2004, 09:40 AM
If FDR did what he did now, I would not like him. There was a lot of government involved in people's lives under his presidency. However, the country needed a boost, and he gave it one. His work really helped our economy and took us out of the great depression. He was definitely one of the most successful presidents of all time if not the most successful. I think he ranks up there among the great presidents of this country because what he did worked, and he got this country out of it's biggest economic problem ever. Also, he got us involved in WW2, and if the US wasn't involved, the world could be a totally different place right now.

Section126
07-01-2004, 10:57 AM
FDR was a good president.

However, he began the entitlement culture. He also moved us staunchly in the direction of socialism. He was also responsible for basically handing the USSR the empire that they wielded for the following 50 years.

So there are many reasons to not like FDR. I tend to think that he presided over the most important war of the last century, and he should be lauded for his success in prosecuting that war.

PhinPhan1227
07-01-2004, 11:16 AM
For FDR's first two or three terms he was a great President. His declining health however took away a lot of his ability in his last couple of years. His failure during the Malta summit can be in large part blamed for much of the Cold War.

t2thejz
07-01-2004, 11:21 AM
The worst president ever was Jimmy Carter

Phinzone
07-01-2004, 11:31 AM
I'd go as far as to say that he was a Great president. He does have quite a few questionable things in his past, but he's human. EVERY president has questionable things in their past, he's no exception. He did great things for this country. No one would say he's the
"worst" president with a level head. Was he high?

On that note..WHO was the worst president?

Clumpy
07-01-2004, 11:46 AM
The worst president ever is George W. Bush



I agree :up:

t2thejz
07-01-2004, 11:48 AM
:shakeno: :lol: :lol:

BigFinFan
07-01-2004, 12:20 PM
I LOVE GWB :up:

Glad to see that you have finally come to your senses Clumpy!

You need to change your sig to represent your new love for GWB, you can add the 'Phins later!!!

Clumpy
07-01-2004, 12:31 PM
:mad:

P4E
07-01-2004, 01:20 PM
Need help with your sig, Clump? I'm right here if you need me.:lol:

BigFinFan
07-01-2004, 01:24 PM
Here is a little help for that new sig Clumpy!

:banana: 'Fins and Bush in '04 :banana:

t2thejz
07-01-2004, 01:34 PM
Here is a little help for that new sig Clumpy!

:banana: 'Fins and Bush in '04 :banana:
OR :monkeyr: Bills and Kerry 04 :monkeyl:

BigFinFan
07-01-2004, 03:23 PM
Very Nice!

PhinPhan1227
07-01-2004, 03:38 PM
I like this one better

:banana: 'Fins IN Bush in '04 :banana:

themole
07-01-2004, 05:11 PM
FDR was a good president.

However, he began the entitlement culture. He also moved us staunchly in the direction of socialism. He was also responsible for basically handing the USSR the empire that they wielded for the following 50 years.

So there are many reasons to not like FDR. I tend to think that he presided over the most important war of the last century, and he should be lauded for his success in prosecuting that war.

FDR and Millard Filmore = two peas in a pod!

iceblizzard69
07-01-2004, 05:53 PM
The worst president ever was Herbert Hoover.

BigFinFan
07-01-2004, 05:58 PM
Let's get back to Clumpy's signature

themole
07-01-2004, 06:29 PM
The worst president ever was Herbert Hoover.

Make your case.

Mr.Murder
07-01-2004, 08:44 PM
Great Depression- Herbert Hoover. Two peas in a pod.

DolFan31
07-01-2004, 09:11 PM
I dont believe Hoover was responsible for the Depression, but I would hold him accountable for doing jack shnit to end it.

TerryTate
07-02-2004, 06:08 PM
FDR and Millard Filmore = two peas in a pod!


:crazy:

Clumpy
07-02-2004, 11:07 PM
Let's get back to Clumpy's signature


:mad:

Clumpy
07-02-2004, 11:11 PM
Great Depression- Herbert Hoover. Two peas in a pod.

Great Depression wasn't Hoover's fault. Stock speculation, excesses of the roaring 20s, misunderstanding of macroeconomic theory, among other things, caused it. FDR listened to Keynes (Keynesian) when he said that gov't spending should increase during a depression as a substitute for decresaed consumer spending. This is what FDR did with his "Great Deal". My grandfather helped on 3 different infrastructure projects as a result of this, out west, and made decent money for that time. Went back to Rome, NY and started making babies :lol:

Clumpy
07-02-2004, 11:12 PM
Let's get back to Clumpy's signature


Maybe you could suggest another song for my sig :yes:

BigFinFan
07-02-2004, 11:23 PM
Maybe you could suggest another song for my sig :yes:

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to help everyone visualize Clumpy through music. This will take a little time in order for me to ensure that I encompass everything that is Clumpy!

Please stand by!