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Prime Time
07-29-2004, 10:51 PM
I do not come here often nor do I post here often but I have a few things to say.

I know there are MANY people who are pissed at Bush and want him to leave the White House ASAP. And everyone has a hatred towards him that is and could be blinding. With that being said....I think Kerry is Joe Nobody. He is not a good candidate IMO, and the MAJORITY of the people who vote for him will be because they are ANTI-Bush and not PRO-Kerry. I honestly think people are just hoping he wins so Bush can be out of there, but honestly...If it where between him or someone else I doubt so many people would be going for Kerry. I bet If it were between I and Bush, and I said the same things Kerry said tonight I would have many people jumping on my bandwagon so to speak.

Also...I am listening to Kerry speak as I type this and he doesn't mention anything about what he will do If he becomes President besides "stop the war, and not send our kids to war". He is just trying to get people who don't like the war to get on his side and not vote for Bush. It is utter crap. I don't think he is a good candidate, he is just using what he knows will get people to vote for him and not Bush. My 2 cents.

BigFinFan
07-29-2004, 10:54 PM
Kerry is a tool!

BengalsFan
07-29-2004, 11:14 PM
I don't like Kerry at all, I think he is too conservative and "flip-flops" on the issues, but I would rather have him as Pres. than Bush. Anyone is better than Bush.

If Bush is elected I'm moving to Sweden.

CirclingWagons
07-29-2004, 11:18 PM
I don't like Kerry at all, I think he is too conservative and "flip-flops" on the issues, but I would rather have him as Pres. than Bush. Anyone is better than Bush.

If Bush is elected I'm moving to Sweden.
Now that's a bit much...Bahamas is more like it

MDFINFAN
07-29-2004, 11:24 PM
I do not come here often nor do I post here often but I have a few things to say.

I know there are MANY people who are pissed at Bush and want him to leave the White House ASAP. And everyone has a hatred towards him that is and could be blinding. With that being said....I think Kerry is Joe Nobody. He is not a good candidate IMO, and the MAJORITY of the people who vote for him will be because they are ANTI-Bush and not PRO-Kerry. I honestly think people are just hoping he wins so Bush can be out of there, but honestly...If it where between him or someone else I doubt so many people would be going for Kerry. I bet If it were between I and Bush, and I said the same things Kerry said tonight I would have many people jumping on my bandwagon so to speak.

Also...I am listening to Kerry speak as I type this and he doesn't mention anything about what he will do If he becomes President besides "stop the war, and not send our kids to war". He is just trying to get people who don't like the war to get on his side and not vote for Bush. It is utter crap. I don't think he is a good candidate, he is just using what he knows will get people to vote for him and not Bush. My 2 cents.

I wished you had waited before you wrote this, now you know what Kerry would do... :lol:

Kamikaze
07-29-2004, 11:33 PM
It is utter crap. I don't think he is a good candidate, he is just using what he knows will get people to vote for him and not Bush. My 2 cents.

Ahem, as a politician, he's supposed to win votes. He's supposed to get people to vote for him and not Bush. Just as Bush is supposed to get people to vote for him, and not Kerry. This is a two party faux democracy, that's how it works.

Kamikaze
07-29-2004, 11:34 PM
Kerry is a tool!

Bush is a tool!

Look, I'm as smart and articulate as you!

Karl_12
07-29-2004, 11:47 PM
Kerry was brilliant tonight. He was energetic and laid out his plan. The intro with Max Cleland and his felloe solders was moving. He let us know who he was and what he stands for. He will be strong on terror and we will work with allies. Plus he sent a message to the Bush administration that they won’t push him around. I can't wait for the debates.

Section126
07-29-2004, 11:59 PM
Kerry was brilliant tonight. He was energetic and laid out his plan. The intro with Max Cleland and his felloe solders was moving. He let us know who he was and what he stands for. He will be strong on terror and we will work with allies. Plus he sent a message to the Bush administration that they won’t push him around. I can't wait for the debates.


You are smoking what Ricky is smoking......

That speech sucked ***.


He stepped on all his applause lines.....he had a drone appearance and delivered a robotic speech...not to mention that he is a total fraud that says in one line that parents should not have to take a collection to get their sons body armor in Iraq and then not acknowledge that HE VOTED AGAINST BODY ARMOR FOR THE TROOPS IN IRAQ when he voted against the 87 Billion to fund the war.....

He is a complete and utter TOOL.

Kamikaze
07-30-2004, 12:21 AM
You are smoking what Ricky is smoking......

That speech sucked ***.


He stepped on all his applause lines.....he had a drone appearance and delivered a robotic speech...not to mention that he is a total fraud that says in one line that parents should not have to take a collection to get their sons body armor in Iraq and then not acknowledge that HE VOTED AGAINST BODY ARMOR FOR THE TROOPS IN IRAQ when he voted against the 87 Billion to fund the war.....

He is a complete and utter TOOL.

Oh well, he can't please every rabid-mouthed Republican.

What really counts for me is this. Both Bush and Kerry are capitalists. Kerry is simply a less offensive capitalist than Bush is. John Kerry wins my unenthusiastic vote this November.

Karl_12
07-30-2004, 12:24 AM
LOL! I think you are scared that Kerry is going to win this election.

You are so blinded by Bush ideology that you can't see that Kerry was more energetic than in the past. Kerry maintained his speech so that it wouldn't run over it is called time management. If he would have let the applause play out he would still be at the point where he said that we will only go to war when we have to. You’re missing the main point we shouldn't even be in Iraq right now we should be concentrating on getting Osama. Better enjoy these days with Bush as President as much as you can, America is waking up and they want the truth.

Section126
07-30-2004, 12:27 AM
LOL! I think you are scared that Kerry is going to win this election.

You are so blinded by Bush ideology that you can't see that Kerry was more energetic than in the past. Kerry maintained his speech so that it wouldn't run over it is called time management. If he would have let the applause play out he would still be at the point where he said that we will only go to war when we have to. You’re missing the main point we shouldn't even be in Iraq right now we should be concentrating on getting Osama. Better enjoy these days with Bush as President as much as you can, America is waking up and they want the truth.


All I can say after reading that drivel is this: :roflmao:

Karl_12
07-30-2004, 12:34 AM
I am happy you liked it.

PhinPhan1227
07-30-2004, 12:39 AM
Oh well, he can't please every rabid-mouthed Republican.

What really counts for me is this. Both Bush and Kerry are capitalists. Kerry is simply a less offensive capitalist than Bush is. John Kerry wins my unenthusiastic vote this November.


Um...when has John Kerry EVER taken part in capitalism? Every paycheck he has EVER recieved has been at the hands of the US Government. He has NEVER drawn a check from the private sector, nor has he ever been a producer. Kerry has been involved in Socialism, NOT Capitalism.

Kamikaze
07-30-2004, 12:42 AM
Um...when has John Kerry EVER taken part in capitalism? Every paycheck he has EVER recieved has been at the hands of the US Government. He has NEVER drawn a check from the private sector, nor has he ever been a producer. Kerry has been involved in Socialism, NOT Capitalism.

So that makes Bush a socialist while he's president then eh? I wonder what the Republican party has to say about that...

PhinPhan1227
07-30-2004, 12:44 AM
So that makes Bush a socialist while he's president then eh? I wonder what the Republican party has to say about that...


There's a difference between spending PART of your career living off the tax payer, and ALL of your career living off him. I just find it funny that Kerry wants to lead the worlds largets economy when he has never contributed to it.

Kamikaze
07-30-2004, 12:53 AM
There's a difference between spending PART of your career living off the tax payer, and ALL of your career living off him. I just find it funny that Kerry wants to lead the worlds largets economy when he has never contributed to it.

But is he going to turn over the means of production in America to the workers when he takes office? Is he going to raise taxes for everyone in the country and create a true welfare state? Nope. Kerry is a capitalist, and he will ensure that the current economic structure stays well entrenched, because if he doesn't listen to them, (put on the tinfoil hat now!) he will meet with an assassin's bullet.

Prime Time
07-30-2004, 01:13 AM
I will say it again Kerry is not a BETTER president than Bush. All he does is say "I will stop the war." to get votes. And this makes him a better President...how?

ohall
07-30-2004, 01:14 AM
I will say it again Kerry is not a BETTER president than Bush. All he does is say "I will stop the war." to get votes. And this makes him a better President...how?

Dang it PT, because he and his filthy rich wife says so!

Oliver...

Kamikaze
07-30-2004, 01:18 AM
All he does is say "I will stop the war." to get votes.

You must have heard a different speech than me, because I did not hear Kerry say "I will stop the war." ad infantum. Either that or you're not paying any attention to Kerry at all.

modestophinfan
07-30-2004, 01:25 AM
section126....tell the truth, wouldnt you call every democrat who ran a tool?

ohall
07-30-2004, 01:26 AM
You must have heard a different speech than me, because I did not hear Kerry say "I will stop the war." ad infantum. Either that or you're not paying any attention to Kerry at all.

You're wrong. He says once that he will not change the path of our military in Iraq, he then says 5 or 6 times the President lied to us about Iraq and he never would have done that and put us into Iraq because we are only there because of a lie.

PT is 100% correct.

The thing that is funny to me is everytime he BASHES Bush for the Iraq war he's bashing himself. I cannot get over how stupid his campaign is for doing this. I don't think they've figured that out quite yet. He's made his bed with his non-vote to fund the war. If he was a smart politician he would embrace that. He's such a flip flopper he doesn't even know he's flip flopping everytime he talks about the war in Iraq.

Oliver...

Kamikaze
07-30-2004, 01:29 AM
You're wrong. He says once that he will not change the path of our military in Iraq, he then says 5 or 6 times the President lied to us about Iraq and he never would have done that and put us into Iraq because we are only there because of a lie.

PT is 100% correct.

The thing that is funny to me is everytime he BASHES Bush for the Iraq war he's bashing himself. I cannot get over how stupid his campaign is for doing this. I don't think they've figured that out quite yet. He's made his bed with his non-vote to fund the war. If he was a smart politician he would embrace that. He's such a flip flopper he doesn't even know he's flip flopping everytime he talks about the war in Iraq.

Oliver...

Sentence number one was a joke. Laugh. I was trying to be funny. Sentence number two was an opinion of mine that I think PT isn't really trying to listen to what Kerry has to say.

And in case you haven't figured it out, I'm not rah rah rah blind supporting Kerry. He's not anti-war, as you have already proved for me.

ohall
07-30-2004, 01:54 AM
Sentence number one was a joke. Laugh. I was trying to be funny. Sentence number two was an opinion of mine that I think PT isn't really trying to listen to what Kerry has to say.

And in case you haven't figured it out, I'm not rah rah rah blind supporting Kerry. He's not anti-war, as you have already proved for me.

Got ya. So you're not voting this year then?

Oliver...

Section126
07-30-2004, 08:25 AM
section126....tell the truth, wouldnt you call every democrat who ran a tool?


No....I posted a list a couple of weeks ago with 10 democrats that I thought would have been spectacular candidates....

I'll give you two right now.......

Evan Byah (Senator Indiana)

Joe Lieberman (Senator Conneticut)

PhinPhan1227
07-30-2004, 10:39 AM
But is he going to turn over the means of production in America to the workers when he takes office? Is he going to raise taxes for everyone in the country and create a true welfare state? Nope. Kerry is a capitalist, and he will ensure that the current economic structure stays well entrenched, because if he doesn't listen to them, (put on the tinfoil hat now!) he will meet with an assassin's bullet.


No, I'm sure he will still maintain MOST of the status quo. But his career has also led him to the same belief that most TRUE Socialists have...the money grows on trees. I just don't think that deep down John Kerry understands how an economy works. Seriously, it's like watching Paris Hilton hold down a regular job.

Kencoboy
07-30-2004, 01:28 PM
No....I posted a list a couple of weeks ago with 10 democrats that I thought would have been spectacular candidates....

I'll give you two right now.......

Evan Byah (Senator Indiana)

Joe Lieberman (Senator Conneticut)
I'll agree there. The Democrats kill themselves with their unwillingness to nominate a moderate candidate or to get an electable one to run. Kerry might have a shot at winning, but if he does it will be because Dubya has invoked so much animosity with his policies. Kerry would not stand a chance if the GOP had a real leader in office.

Prime Time
07-30-2004, 06:29 PM
I was listening to Kerry as I was eating dinner during his speech, so yes I heard him. He will run this country alot worse than Bush (and I do not even think Bush did bad) If elected.

MOULDSROCKS
07-31-2004, 08:46 PM
Prime Time claims to be a latino ghetto child.... yet he supports Bush.



That, coupled with his bandwagon style of choosing teams and the many stupid posts I've seen of him on these forums leads me to beleive that he will grow up to be like Napoleon Dynamite's older brother.

ohall
08-01-2004, 12:41 AM
Prime Time claims to be a latino ghetto child.... yet he supports Bush.



That, coupled with his bandwagon style of choosing teams and the many stupid posts I've seen of him on these forums leads me to beleive that he will grow up to be like Napoleon Dynamite's older brother.

It's not a surprise that a hispanic in Miami would lean to the right. And leave PT alone, you're just jealous of his new car!

Oliver...

AZNeilo
08-01-2004, 05:41 AM
Dear Optimus Prime(time),
Good canidates aren't ones that scare us all the time into voting for them. Also, not everyone who we elect is good just because they are an elected official. The tough choice is to question these people that we think "have to be telling us the truth".

Karl_12
08-01-2004, 11:42 AM
No....I posted a list a couple of weeks ago with 10 democrats that I thought would have been spectacular candidates....

I'll give you two right now.......

Evan Byah (Senator Indiana)

Joe Lieberman (Senator Conneticut)Joe Lieberman is a closet Republican.

PhinPhan1227
08-01-2004, 12:39 PM
Joe Lieberman is a closet Republican.


That's why I voted for the first Bush. Everyone accused him of being a closet Democrat. To me the closest we will ever get to a moderate or Independant President is one who managed to piss off his own party just a TINY bit less than he pisses off the other party. Lieberman/McCain in 2008!!!

Karl_12
08-01-2004, 01:03 PM
I would rather have McCaine as President.

MOULDSROCKS
08-02-2004, 12:32 PM
Napoleon Dynamite's brother = Prime Time

Section126
08-02-2004, 03:21 PM
I would rather have McCaine as President.


McCain is more conservative than Bush.......

Check out his record with the Conservative Union...they score McCain as having a 87% conservative record.....

They even endorsed mcCain over Bush in 2000 because they said that Bush was a moderate.

ABrownLamp
08-02-2004, 06:49 PM
You're trying to tell me that McCain is more conservative than the Bush that we know today? Come on man. He approves stem cell research funding, against constitutional marraige clauses, supports assault weapons ban, supports partial birth abortions...
Jon McCain doesn't even represent what the majority of the Republican party represents, nevermind GWB.

PhinPhan1227
08-02-2004, 07:01 PM
You're trying to tell me that McCain is more conservative than the Bush that we know today? Come on man. He approves stem cell research funding, against constitutional marraige clauses, supports assault weapons ban, supports partial birth abortions...
Jon McCain doesn't even represent what the majority of the Republican party represents, nevermind GWB.


My biggest problem with McCain if he still holds this stance...there's just NO justification for PBA's. Mothers health is NOT in issue there.

Section126
08-02-2004, 07:32 PM
You're trying to tell me that McCain is more conservative than the Bush that we know today? Come on man. He approves stem cell research funding, against constitutional marraige clauses, supports assault weapons ban, supports partial birth abortions...
Jon McCain doesn't even represent what the majority of the Republican party represents, nevermind GWB.


McCain supporting PBA's? HE IS PRO-LIFE!

McCain is not pro-PBA...he is against it.....and Bush supports the Assault Weapons Ban also...he said he will re-authorize. So that's it for the factual errors you committed...BTW..the only people that support PBA's are the left wing wacko fringe in congress....(Kerry is included) Check the roll call on the PBA ban......

mcCain has voted 87% of the time with the American Conservative Union...which places him in the top 5% most conservative politicians in either house....That is just a fact...sorry...but in actuality...he is.

ABrownLamp
08-03-2004, 03:56 AM
McCain supporting PBA's? HE IS PRO-LIFE!

McCain is not pro-PBA...he is against it.....and Bush supports the Assault Weapons Ban also...he said he will re-authorize. So that's it for the factual errors you committed...BTW..the only people that support PBA's are the left wing wacko fringe in congress....(Kerry is included) Check the roll call on the PBA ban......

mcCain has voted 87% of the time with the American Conservative Union...which places him in the top 5% most conservative politicians in either house....That is just a fact...sorry...but in actuality...he is.

I'm pretty sure he voted in support of PBAs in 2000, it's too late for me to check right now. My point is that he is not a true representative of what republicans stand for today. Like Gulianni and Schwartzenneger

iceblizzard69
08-03-2004, 09:16 AM
I'm pretty sure he voted in support of PBAs in 2000, it's too late for me to check right now. My point is that he is not a true representative of what republicans stand for today. Like Gulianni and Schwartzenneger

Gulianni was originally a Democrat. He became a Repblican in the early 90s so he could run for mayor of NYC. The current mayor of NYC (Mike Bloomberg) did the same thing. However, Bloomberg's actions as mayor prove that he is a Democrat, and I can't say the same thing about Gulianni (although he has done a bunch of things that aren't very Republican as well).

Section126
08-03-2004, 09:43 AM
Gulianni was originally a Democrat. He became a Repblican in the early 90s so he could run for mayor of NYC. The current mayor of NYC (Mike Bloomberg) did the same thing. However, Bloomberg's actions as mayor prove that he is a Democrat, and I can't say the same thing about Gulianni (although he has done a bunch of things that aren't very Republican as well).


Let me guess...everything bad he did was republican and everything good he did was democratic...... :shakeno:

Section126
08-03-2004, 09:45 AM
I'm pretty sure he voted in support of PBAs in 2000, it's too late for me to check right now. My point is that he is not a true representative of what republicans stand for today. Like Gulianni and Schwartzenneger


Dude.....How can a guy that is PRO-LIFE have voted for PBA's?

Trust me he didn't.

As for McCain not standing for what republicans stand for......

Try to explain this number: 87%

iceblizzard69
08-03-2004, 10:28 AM
Let me guess...everything bad he did was republican and everything good he did was democratic...... :shakeno:

I'm not a Democrat. Unlike you, I look past party affiliations. They don't matter to me. I think Gulianni was a pretty good mayor actually.

Prime Time
08-04-2004, 01:33 AM
Prime Time claims to be a latino ghetto child.... yet he supports Bush.



That, coupled with his bandwagon style of choosing teams and the many stupid posts I've seen of him on these forums leads me to beleive that he will grow up to be like Napoleon Dynamite's older brother.

My bandwagon style of choosing teams? Liking every team in South Florida (except Heat, I did jump on their bandwagon).

And learn how to read carefully...I said I don't support Kerry, doesn't mean I support Bush.

Wow...this was an actual post of yours that I have seen that is longer then one line.

Prime Time
08-04-2004, 01:37 AM
Napoleon Dynamite's brother = Prime Time

I don't even know who that is so I won't comment. But look, another one line post by you! Congrats. :rolleyes:

MouldsRocks = Marty McFly's dad in HS....:roflmao: