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Prime Time
08-11-2004, 07:18 PM
Alotta games today, but I don't know all the scores so I'll let Ice post that If he knows. Argentina is winning 6-0 right now. :woot: and are favs. to win the whole thing. I think they will, they brought a rather strong side. Mexico today tied to Mila 0-0! :roflmao:

minus
08-12-2004, 01:20 AM
Tevez is only 20?

I thought he was hitting his 30's.The guy looks old as hell with all his scars.He grew up in a rough neighborhood?

Bodzilla29
08-12-2004, 01:54 PM
Mila? Never heard of such a place.

Mali however.....

Prime Time
08-12-2004, 07:23 PM
Tevez is only 20?

I thought he was hitting his 30's.The guy looks old as hell with all his scars.He grew up in a rough neighborhood?

Yeah Tevez is 20...might be 19 but yeah he is around there. He is so good, and alot of people say he will be Argentina's next all star. They are saying....Maradona...Batistuta...Tevez. His goals yesterday were awesome.

The reason he has those scars...he lived in a poor neighborhood and one day he grabbed a pot full of boiling water and it got on his face. His mom tried to help him by putting a towel on him. When he got to the hospital, the doctors tried to take the towel off...but when they took it off..they realized it had been stuck to the skin and it tore off skin too. Ouch. I feel bad for him but he is having a ton of success in football. I see him playing for a European team in no more than 2 years.

minus
08-12-2004, 09:28 PM
Yeah Tevez is 20...might be 19 but yeah he is around there. He is so good, and alot of people say he will be Argentina's next all star. They are saying....Maradona...Batistuta...Tevez. His goals yesterday were awesome.

The reason he has those scars...he lived in a poor neighborhood and one day he grabbed a pot full of boiling water and it got on his face. His mom tried to help him by putting a towel on him. When he got to the hospital, the doctors tried to take the towel off...but when they took it off..they realized it had been stuck to the skin and it tore off skin too. Ouch. I feel bad for him but he is having a ton of success in football. I see him playing for a European team in no more than 2 years.

Maradona? :shakeno: (Not that good)

I do agree he is a good player.He just lower his shoulders goes through defenders.He won't last too long in Boca.

Bodzilla29
08-12-2004, 10:48 PM
Ha! Maradona is EASILY the best player I have ever seen, there is no comparison. Too young for Pelé so I have to give it to Maradona.

What are you smoking saying he isn't that good? Probobly the same stuff he is! HA

minus
08-12-2004, 11:19 PM
Ha! Maradona is EASILY the best player I have ever seen, there is no comparison. Too young for Pelé so I have to give it to Maradona.

What are you smoking saying he isn't that good? Probobly the same stuff he is! HA

You have to be smoking some good **** if you think he is as good as Maradona.

Mebeverine
08-13-2004, 02:56 AM
Bodzilla: think he was saying that Tevez is 'not that good' to be compared to Maradona.


Maradona is EASILY the best player I have ever seen, there is no comparison.

While you said you haven't seen Pele, did you see Zidane, Cruyff, Puskas or Georgie Best? Those 4 were all quite easily better than Maradona (though no-one was more talented), who never really managed to sustain what he did: while he played 90 odd times for Argentina, he only truely played brilliantly for a lot smaller number.

Prime Time
08-13-2004, 03:47 AM
Mebeverine....Maradona is the best player soccer has ever seen. Period. Pele is #2. Maradona carried all the teams he was on to championships. He made teams known and he made sorry players known. He was truly #1.

Mebeverine
08-13-2004, 04:57 AM
Mebeverine....Maradona is the best player soccer has ever seen. Period. Pele is #2. Maradona carried all the teams he was on to championships. He made teams known and he made sorry players known. He was truly #1.

Pass me whatever the hell you are smoking...

You're 16 years old and yet you can tell me as a fact that Maradona is better than Pele? Give me a break.

*Argentina won the World Cup without Maradona in 1978.
*He won the Argentine Championship with Boca.
*He broke his ankle at Barcelona and joined Napoli without really living up to the hype.
* There he was a hero and had his great moment in the 1986 World Cup, which he dominated.
* In 1990 he didn't win the World Cup.
* 1991 he gets banned from football, after serving his ban he demands to move to Spain
* He was a disaster at Sevilla.
* In 1993 he quits Newells Old Boys
* In 1994 he is banned again.

He doesn't even compare to Pele. He did it at Napoli, I'll give you that. But he played in an Argentina side that still won without him, and featured such "sorry players" as Jorge Valdano, Mario Kempes and Daniel Passarella.

Maradona showed flashes and had he sustained his ability throughout his career, would have probably been right up there with Pele. However, he didn't, Pele did.

Mebeverine
08-13-2004, 05:24 AM
Argentina is winning 6-0 right now and are favs. to win the whole thing

I fancy the Italians to win it. Looking at their squad: Bonera, Pirlo, Sculli, Gilardino, Gasbaroni, Ferrari, Del Nero...that is some young squad and Italians generally play more as a unit than the Argentines.

BTW: You seem quite knowledgable about Argentina. Is Cavenaghi, the young River striker, as good as they say?

minus
08-13-2004, 10:50 AM
I fancy the Italians to win it. Looking at their squad: Bonera, Pirlo, Sculli, Gilardino, Gasbaroni, Ferrari, Del Nero...that is some young squad and Italians generally play more as a unit than the Argentines.

BTW: You seem quite knowledgable about Argentina. Is Cavenaghi, the young River striker, as good as they say?

Keep an eye on this guy:

Radamel Falcao 18 years old (Colombian)
He is playing in the reserves of River Plate in Argentina ... and is mentioned as a true star who will soon play in the first team. He is a #9 ... of 'complete" scale.

He is taking the same path as Juan Pablo Angel. :cooldude:

Bodzilla29
08-13-2004, 12:11 PM
Mebeverine...let merephrase:

Maradonna(at his best) is better than any other player I have ever seen at their best. Of course he did not sustain it like you said, but his peak was higher than any other, bar Pelé because I never saw him.

Also, I was responding to "Maradonna? Not very good" more than I was comenting on Tevez. BUt right now, no I do not think you can fairly compare the two. Tevez looks an excellant player though.

minus
08-13-2004, 12:19 PM
Mebeverine...let merephrase:

Maradonna(at his best) is better than any other player I have ever seen at their best. Of course he did not sustain it like you said, but his peak was higher than any other, bar Pelé because I never saw him.

Also, I was responding to "Maradonna? Not very good" more than I was comenting on Tevez. BUt right now, no I do not think you can fairly compare the two. Tevez looks an excellant player though.

Did you see Copa Libertadores?

Tevez is a very good player but I wouldn't call him great.He is still young so he hasn't reach his full potential yet.

minus
08-13-2004, 12:25 PM
In other soccer news

Sub-16 Team
Colombia 2 - 0 U.S
Peru 2 - 0 Ecuador

Saturday 14

Colombia VS Peru
U.S VS Ecuador

Colombia is 2-0
U.S 1-1
Peru 1-1
Ecuador 0-2

minus
08-13-2004, 12:32 PM
Alotta games today, but I don't know all the scores so I'll let Ice post that If he knows. Argentina is winning 6-0 right now. :woot: and are favs. to win the whole thing. I think they will, they brought a rather strong side. Mexico today tied to Mila 0-0! :roflmao:

Mexicans were saying that their sub-20 team is better than their "A" team.I don't see how Argentina doesn't win gold medal.I think African teams will be more of a problem than Europeans teams for Argentina.I wasn't that impressed by Italian team and let me not talk about the sub-20 European runners up.


Hey Primetime:

Are you a fan of Boca Juniors or River?

or

You follow peruvian league more?

Mebeverine
08-13-2004, 02:47 PM
Maradonna(at his best) is better than any other player I have ever seen at their best. Of course he did not sustain it like you said, but his peak was higher than any other, bar Pelé because I never saw him.

All I'm saying is that had George Best been born English....


Also, I was responding to "Maradonna? Not very good" more than I was comenting on Tevez.

What i mean is that I think the guy was saying Tevez is not as good as Maradona when he said "Maradona? Not that good." IE: Tevez is not as good as Diego.

Prime Time
08-13-2004, 04:11 PM
Mexicans were saying that their sub-20 team is better than their "A" team.I don't see how Argentina doesn't win gold medal.I think African teams will be more of a problem than Europeans teams for Argentina.I wasn't that impressed by Italian team and let me not talk about the sub-20 European runners up.


Hey Primetime:

Are you a fan of Boca Juniors or River?

or

You follow peruvian league more?

I follow both leagues a good amount. More so for Argentina though.

Prime Time
08-13-2004, 04:16 PM
Pass me whatever the hell you are smoking...

You're 16 years old and yet you can tell me as a fact that Maradona is better than Pele? Give me a break.

*Argentina won the World Cup without Maradona in 1978.
*He won the Argentine Championship with Boca.
*He broke his ankle at Barcelona and joined Napoli without really living up to the hype.
* There he was a hero and had his great moment in the 1986 World Cup, which he dominated.
* In 1990 he didn't win the World Cup.
* 1991 he gets banned from football, after serving his ban he demands to move to Spain
* He was a disaster at Sevilla.
* In 1993 he quits Newells Old Boys
* In 1994 he is banned again.

He doesn't even compare to Pele. He did it at Napoli, I'll give you that. But he played in an Argentina side that still won without him, and featured such "sorry players" as Jorge Valdano, Mario Kempes and Daniel Passarella.

Maradona showed flashes and had he sustained his ability throughout his career, would have probably been right up there with Pele. However, he didn't, Pele did.


What? He did live up to the "hype" in Napoli. He dominated games by himself. First you say he didn't then you say he did. Which side are you going to take. Valdano and Kempes were good but nothing super. Passarella, I'll agree with you on. According to you he isn't up there with Pele, yet so many people consider him next to, or right under, or EVEN above him even though you said he showed flashes. I guess those flashes impressed people to say he is right net to Pele. El Diego is the best player EVER.

Mebeverine
08-13-2004, 06:18 PM
What? He did live up to the "hype" in Napoli. He dominated games by himself. First you say he didn't then you say he did. Which side are you going to take.

No I said he left Barce without living up to the hype. You can't join someone (Napoli) and have already not lived up to the hype (at that club), that doesn't make sense. He didn't live up to the hype at the club he left.


Valdano and Kempes were good but nothing super.

Kempes nothing super? He almost single handedly won a World Cup...he was awesome. The best striker in Spanish football since Di Stefano and rivaled since only by Ronaldo.


According to you he isn't up there with Pele, yet so many people consider him next to, or right under, or EVEN above him even though you said he showed flashes. I guess those flashes impressed people to say he is right net to Pele. El Diego is the best player EVER.

No, those are generally

a) people with a vested interest in Maradona (such as you)
b) people who can't bear to go with the norm (can't comment)
c) people who didn't see Pele (such as you)

Pele is the greatest by a long, long way. I've never met ANYONE with a respected opinion on football who lived through seeing Pele and Maradona who says Maradona is better.

Now he might well be the most talented player ever born, but he wasn't freakin close to being the best ever.

Prime Time
08-13-2004, 06:37 PM
No I said he left Barce without living up to the hype. You can't join someone (Napoli) and have already not lived up to the hype (at that club), that doesn't make sense. He didn't live up to the hype at the club he left.



Kempes nothing super? He almost single handedly won a World Cup...he was awesome. The best striker in Spanish football since Di Stefano and rivaled since only by Ronaldo.



No, those are generally

a) people with a vested interest in Maradona (such as you)
b) people who can't bear to go with the norm (can't comment)
c) people who didn't see Pele (such as you)

Pele is the greatest by a long, long way. I've never met ANYONE with a respected opinion on football who lived through seeing Pele and Maradona who says Maradona is better.

Now he might well be the most talented player ever born, but he wasn't freakin close to being the best ever.


I believe Tommy Smyth said Maradona over Pele.

Mebeverine
08-13-2004, 07:56 PM
An American Broadcaster?

No offense, but that won't cut it.

The most knowledgable football experts are the European critics, because football is life here. You can't get away with not knowing it inside out. Joe Public here knows more about football than Joe Public in the America's. Pele didn't even play over here while Maradona did and STILL 99% of European hacks and ex players will tell you Pele was a lot better.

But either way that's irrelevant.

When a Maradona fan comes close to finding anything which rivals Pele's record, I'll accept that he was better. In case you haven't familiarized yourself with Pele's record (which wouldn't surprise me, since you haven't ever seen him), here it is:

1958 FIFA World Cup in Sweden: winner. Sets the world a light at 17.
1959 Copa America: finalist
1959 Top goalscorer in Copa America (9 goals) (18, nearly 19 years old)
1970 FIFA World Cup in Mexico: winner

92 caps for Brazil and scored 97 goals. he didn't even play as a centre forward all the time! Far from being an out and out frontman, he was more in the role of someone like Raul at stages in his career.

He also scored 1281 goals in 1363 matches.

In 1999, Pele was voted Sportsman of the Century by the world's National Olympic Committee's despite never being in the Olympics. He won a similar award in 1980. In 2000 he came second only to Ali.

Out of this world. There will never ever be anyone better.

Prime Time
08-13-2004, 08:46 PM
Honestly Meverine. Smyth is Irish, not America. And 2nd of all Pele is not the best...Maradona. That is my opinion and I will not change it.

Bodzilla29
08-14-2004, 03:48 AM
Smyth is NORTHERN Irish....

PT...how many times have you seen maradona with your own eyes live?

minus
08-14-2004, 09:58 AM
I've watched some of Pele old games and in my opinion he is the best to ever play the game.

minus
08-14-2004, 10:00 AM
An American Broadcaster?

No offense, but that won't cut it.

The most knowledgable football experts are the European critics, because football is life here. You can't get away with not knowing it inside out. Joe Public here knows more about football than Joe Public in the America's. Pele didn't even play over here while Maradona did and STILL 99% of European hacks and ex players will tell you Pele was a lot better.

But either way that's irrelevant.

When a Maradona fan comes close to finding anything which rivals Pele's record, I'll accept that he was better. In case you haven't familiarized yourself with Pele's record (which wouldn't surprise me, since you haven't ever seen him), here it is:

1958 FIFA World Cup in Sweden: winner. Sets the world a light at 17.
1959 Copa America: finalist
1959 Top goalscorer in Copa America (9 goals) (18, nearly 19 years old)
1970 FIFA World Cup in Mexico: winner

92 caps for Brazil and scored 97 goals. he didn't even play as a centre forward all the time! Far from being an out and out frontman, he was more in the role of someone like Raul at stages in his career.

He also scored 1281 goals in 1363 matches.

In 1999, Pele was voted Sportsman of the Century by the world's National Olympic Committee's despite never being in the Olympics. He won a similar award in 1980. In 2000 he came second only to Ali.

Out of this world. There will never ever be anyone better.

Just asked people in South America who better and 99.9% people would say Pele except maybe in Argentina.

Prime Time
08-14-2004, 05:54 PM
I've watched some of Pele old games and in my opinion he is the best to ever play the game.

Exactly. My opinion is that Maradona is. I respect your opinion, but mine differs.


Smyth is NORTHERN Irish....

PT...how many times have you seen maradona with your own eyes live?

None. But I have seen alot...I mean alot of tape of tons of his games. (Not high lights but actual games). Probably around 200 or so. My dad use to tape them when he was younger.

Prime Time
08-14-2004, 07:36 PM
Argentina beat Tunisia 2-0. Tevez got a great header goal and got an EVEN better assist on a 360 spin pass to Saviola. He is the real deal.

Prime Time
08-21-2004, 04:05 PM
Argentina beat Costa Rica today. Tevez got 3 goals and now leads the tournament in goals. He is freakin awesome! Like I said before...Argentina has had its eras of star players.

Maradona Era
Batistuta Era
Tevez Era

:up:

minus
08-24-2004, 01:31 PM
I don't think Tevez is better than Andriano.

I'll rank him 2nd in the top 5 South American young players.Tevez is on a high and this year might the year he leads the Argentinian league in scores.

Prime Time
08-24-2004, 09:54 PM
The announcers were talking about how Tevez has taken the title "Young Stud at Midfield" from El Romy now. Aimar is still #1 MF in Argentina though.

Mebeverine
08-25-2004, 06:20 PM
Wasn't Saviola supposed to be the next big thing a few years ago?

I think I will wait to see Tevez in a less dominant team before I judge him...

Prime Time
08-25-2004, 06:32 PM
Wasn't Saviola supposed to be the next big thing a few years ago?

I think I will wait to see Tevez in a less dominant team before I judge him...

Savy is a striker. He is going to be Argentina's main Forward in a few years. I am talking about midfield.

minus
08-25-2004, 09:40 PM
Savy is a striker. He is going to be Argentina's main Forward in a few years. I am talking about midfield.

Isn't Tevez a striker?

I want to see Tevez do better in Argentinian league before I think he is the next great thing.

Olympics competition is not exactly great.

He did ok en La Copa Libertadores and he did good in Argentinian league.

minus
08-25-2004, 09:46 PM
Luis Amaranto Perea is playing for Real Madrid.This guy is a hell of a defender and I didn't know Boca sold him to Real.

Mebeverine
08-26-2004, 05:38 AM
Savy is a striker. He is going to be Argentina's main Forward in a few years. I am talking about midfield.

Doesn't matter.

First up Tevez is a link man. Not a midfielder...doesn't do enough defensively to be seen as a true midfielder.

I was simply talking about the fact that Saviola was supposed to be the new sensation and hasn't lived up to that so far. Better hope Tevez does better in Europe...and if he goes to Tottenham as rumoured he doesn't stand a chance of becoming the player he should.

iceblizzard69
08-26-2004, 09:52 AM
Doesn't matter.

First up Tevez is a link man. Not a midfielder...doesn't do enough defensively to be seen as a true midfielder.

I was simply talking about the fact that Saviola was supposed to be the new sensation and hasn't lived up to that so far. Better hope Tevez does better in Europe...and if he goes to Tottenham as rumoured he doesn't stand a chance of becoming the player he should.

Everyone is rumored to go to Tottenham though.....

Pink_Dove
08-26-2004, 11:22 PM
I'll steer clear of the Maradona-Pelé discussion as I've never seen them play live...
As for the Olympics, all the talk is about Tevez and he's been excellent but he's got a very good supporting cast. After the last 2 world cup disappointments (Argentina was a favourite in both) they defiantely brought some big guns to win this tourny.Heinze, Ayala, Coloccini are quality defenders in Europe (and would porbably be their back 3 on the senior side). They brought Kily and Saviola as well. D'Allessandro is my personal favourite, he's not as flashy as Tevez but he's got good ball skills and pace.

Also Minus has a good point, Adriano is a superstar in Serie A (I was in Italy earlier this summer and him and Gilardino are regarded as the 2 best young strikers in the press)

Prime Time
08-28-2004, 03:23 PM
Pink Dove, Argentina's starting 3 in the back pn the Senior Side would not contain the 3 guys you listed. It would contain Ayala, Samuel and a ? mark at RB. Argentina hasn't found someone who can be solid there too. THere are so many average or better then average guys who could play on the right but noone who is star quality.

Also...Tevez is a midfielder. He is an attacking midfielder though. He has pretty much taken Riquelme's job at that position. Saviola is playing good...not the super star level that was expected from him but he can get the job done.

Mebeverine
08-28-2004, 03:46 PM
Adriano is a superstar in Serie A (I was in Italy earlier this summer and him and Gilardino are regarded as the 2 best young strikers in the press)

They love Miccolli as well

Prime Time
08-28-2004, 03:49 PM
Also....SPOILERS.....







BTW...Argentina won the gold today...:woot:! Yeah baby! :rocker: