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FinsNYanksFan13
08-26-2004, 03:51 PM
The NCAA just rejected his bid for reinstatement. The NCAA dropped the ball on this one, this kid should be allowed to play. The COURTS gave him the go ahead to play in the NFL and then the Supreme Court denied his right. Now the NCAA, despite him giving back his money to his agent, denied him. What a load of crap. The NCAA is garbage in my eyes!!

ptmn
08-26-2004, 03:56 PM
It's a complete injustice what they are doing to this kid. The NCAA is really F'd up for doing this to the kid.

Dol-Fan Dupree
08-26-2004, 03:57 PM
The guy knew the risks when he signed an agent

salsa
08-26-2004, 03:58 PM
JUST WRONG.... But I have faith that that kid will suck it up and work his tail off this year so he can have an impressive combine showing and still get drafted early

ptmn
08-26-2004, 03:59 PM
Yeah he was told he could play for the NFL by a COURT, I would believe them it they told me something.
The guy knew the risks when he signed an agent

Den54
08-26-2004, 03:59 PM
What diff does it make to sign an agent before or after the draft? Why risk it and not just wait?

Dphins4me
08-26-2004, 04:02 PM
The NCAA just rejected his bid for reinstatement. The NCAA dropped the ball on this one, this kid should be allowed to play. The COURTS gave him the go ahead to play in the NFL and then the Supreme Court denied his right. Now the NCAA, despite him giving back his money to his agent, denied him. What a load of crap. The NCAA is garbage in my eyes!!

Why does this surprise anyone? Remember the NCAA is all about the kids.

The NCAA has a sweet gig. They sell kids for tons of money and give you little in return, (Do not hand me this free education BS either.) They sell your likeness for cash and you get none.

The NCAA can make money off you, but yet you cannot make money off you.

That is why if you have a kid come to your school that needs glasses to read, the school cannot buy them, but if they need contacts to play a sport then the school can purchase them.

No these guys are not the biggest hypocrites to ever live.

john00agent
08-26-2004, 04:03 PM
Yeah he was told he could play for the NFL by a COURT, I would believe them it they told me something.


i wouldn't! but thats just me

LtDan
08-26-2004, 04:03 PM
Thanks alot Clarett

canesfins13
08-26-2004, 04:05 PM
I have to agree, he knoew the risks when he signed with an agent. He knew the case would likely be appealed. If he didn't know, boy did he get very bad legal advice. They could not let him in and deny Bloom's case. This is the right decision.

Nublar7
08-26-2004, 04:06 PM
Even if Mike Williams doesn't play this year, he definitley will be a 1st round pick next year.

MNFINFAN
08-26-2004, 04:15 PM
Yeah they did that to that kid at Colorado too, who accepted Ski Endorsements. I think the NCAA is a freakin' joke, they should be closed down as all they care about is their bottom dollar and not the kids who come through the College System. It probably started out as a good idea, but it is getting out of control IMO.

musphinzfan
08-26-2004, 04:17 PM
Mike KNEW that when he did get the Agent that that was it playing in the College.

I have a gut feeling that Williams will be in the Supplemental Draft.

Dphins4me
08-26-2004, 04:19 PM
Mike KNEW that when he did get the Agent that that was it playing in the College.

I have a gut feeling that Williams will be in the Supplemental Draft.
What supplemental draft? Its over for him this year.

AtlantaPhin
08-26-2004, 04:19 PM
I have to agree, he knoew the risks when he signed with an agent. He knew the case would likely be appealed. If he didn't know, boy did he get very bad legal advice. They could not let him in and deny Bloom's case. This is the right decision.
The thing that kills me about the Bloom case is he can't accept ski endorsement money and play football but other players can play college football in the fall and then play minor league baseball in the spring. This makes no sense at all. As for Williams, I believe he should have been allowed to come back.

Dphins4me
08-26-2004, 04:23 PM
The thing that kills me about the Bloom case is he can't accept ski endorsement money and play football but other players can play college football in the fall and then play minor league baseball in the spring. This makes no sense at all. As for Williams, I believe he should have been allowed to come back.
Its about endorsement money. The NCAA is all about them getting free labor while making a boat load of cash.

Lights_Out
08-26-2004, 04:25 PM
if court says okay then its not a ify situation so wouldnt you start getting those advancements for your family as soon as you could get them....this sucks for this kid ..he still will be a first rounder but it hampers his development a lil bit.....NCAA major money making corporation

NathanHunt
08-26-2004, 04:31 PM
What supplemental draft? Its over for him this year.

When was the supplemental draft?

Maybe Memories
08-26-2004, 04:32 PM
Either way i dont feel sorry for him... when he gets into the nfl hes gonna get what he deserves $$$ just he had too do it the hard way...

Nicky Napoleon
08-26-2004, 04:45 PM
I really think the NCAA dropped the ball here, this guy wasnt Clarett. He didnt challenge the rule, he just used a rule that was "LEGAL" at the time. Once the rule was overturned he returned the money given to him and asked for re-instatement. What did he do wrong?? Sure there are those that say he knew it was going to be challenged, but being challenged means nothing unless its overturned which no one knew was a sure thing. So as far as he knew it was going to be challenged but Clarett might win, thus giving him a BIG payday. There arent many people that could turn down a payday like he was looking at as he would have been a top 5 pick.

bakedmatt
08-26-2004, 04:47 PM
i wouldn't! but thats just me


Um... didn't he NOT want to go to class. I think he insisted on playing college ball and not going to school. I heard something like that. If that's the case, then the NCAA did the right thing.

Paul Mad ScotPZ
08-26-2004, 04:56 PM
Um... didn't he NOT want to go to class. I think he insisted on playing college ball and not going to school. I heard something like that. If that's the case, then the NCAA did the right thing.
I beleive he made up the credit in the summer to obtain reinstatement if the case was succesful.

Shame on the NCAA.

The y have shown themselves to be a petty and vindictive organisaiton that takes pleasure if saying "i told you so".

Hell be a no 1 next year, athough lack of games will bring him out of the top 15.

FireWrongstedt
08-26-2004, 04:59 PM
The NCAA is right up there with the International Olympic Committee and the mob when it comes to the most corrupt, hypocritical organizations on the planet. It's a crime what they're doing to Williams. I guess he's gonna have to go play in Canada or something. What a shame.

Denverfinfan
08-26-2004, 05:11 PM
I agree, they did drop the ball on this. With Jeremy Bloom as well as with Williams. It has gotten a lot more press and air time here in CO. Bloom has grown up wanting to play for CU, and he was willing to forgo any new endorsements until after the season.

steveincolorado
08-26-2004, 06:02 PM
I have to agree, he knoew the risks when he signed with an agent. He knew the case would likely be appealed. If he didn't know, boy did he get very bad legal advice. They could not let him in and deny Bloom's case. This is the right decision.I live in Colo and been following Bloom's case. I think the NCAA made the right choice. Bloom needed to make a choice--ski for money or play college football. Bloom made his choice to ski. Mike Williams made a choice to hire an agent. The NCAA has rules and I think they (NCAA) made the right decision.

massi20
08-26-2004, 06:10 PM
In my opinion, the NCAA rapes it's athletes.
All they care about is making money.
They suck.

Dol-Fan Dupree
08-26-2004, 06:13 PM
In my opinion, the NCAA rapes it's athletes.
All they care about is making money.
They suck.

I agree, but both players knew the rules. Mike didn't have to hire an agent.

byroan
08-26-2004, 06:16 PM
Um... didn't he NOT want to go to class. I think he insisted on playing college ball and not going to school. I heard something like that. If that's the case, then the NCAA did the right thing.
Who does want to go to class?? You act like it's a big deal he only wanted to play ball, there's hundreds of people out there that just want to play ball. When you're that good, the last thing you think about is your academics.

#84Fan4Life
08-26-2004, 06:17 PM
The NCAA and the NFL both gave Mike Williams the shaft. He only entered the draft because it looked like Clarett was going to win his case and I believe the NFL told him he could. Once Clarett got beat by the NFL they denied Williams as well. Now the NCAA put the screws to him even though he would have made them even more money. I feel bad for Mike Williams and hope he files a fat lawsuit against the NFL and NCAA.

What right does a college have to deny the player the right to play and learn? What right does the NFL have to deny a willing and able person from joining their league?

iceblizzard69
08-26-2004, 06:34 PM
Mike Williams deserves to play football. He did nothing wrong. He didn't challenge the NFL's ruling, but when he got the opportunity to go to the NFL, he took it. He did this because the rule was changed. He would have been a first round pick so I don't blame him from entering the draft. When they changed the rule again, he fired his agent and went back to school. There is no reason why he shouldn't play for USC. Mike Williams is getting screwed and he doesn't deserve it.

Bodzilla29
08-26-2004, 07:06 PM
The NFL made it VERY clear to Mike Williams. He knew the risks involved and signed with the agent anyway, how is it anybody's fault but HIS OWN?

They told him the ruling was likely to be overturned, but he went ahead blindly anyway. He has nobody to blame but himself. There was ZERO need to hire an agent before the appeal had been settled, anybody who doesn't see it this way is just bashing the NCAA for the sake of it this time.

Sure the NCAA has many glaring problems, but this is not one of them. Mike Williams played the risk game and failed. His own fault. bad decision and one he has to live with.

NOw the question is whether or not his agent will give HIM back some cash! hahaha

headslap
08-26-2004, 08:09 PM
In my opinion, the NCAA rapes it's athletes.
All they care about is making money.
They suck.


YES! I was going write a lengthy post "admonishing" the NCAA for its blatant PIMPing, but you summed it up perfect.

AtlantaPhin
08-26-2004, 09:49 PM
I really think the NCAA dropped the ball here, this guy wasnt Clarett. He didnt challenge the rule, he just used a rule that was "LEGAL" at the time. Once the rule was overturned he returned the money given to him and asked for re-instatement. What did he do wrong?? Sure there are those that say he knew it was going to be challenged, but being challenged means nothing unless its overturned which no one knew was a sure thing. So as far as he knew it was going to be challenged but Clarett might win, thus giving him a BIG payday. There arent many people that could turn down a payday like he was looking at as he would have been a top 5 pick.
Couldn't agree more. Well said!!

AtlantaPhin
08-26-2004, 09:54 PM
I live in Colo and been following Bloom's case. I think the NCAA made the right choice. Bloom needed to make a choice--ski for money or play college football. Bloom made his choice to ski. Mike Williams made a choice to hire an agent. The NCAA has rules and I think they (NCAA) made the right decision.
Why did Bloom need to make a choice when it's legal for players to play college football in the fall then leave and play minor league baseball in the spring and get paid and then come back in the fall again and play college football? Where's the difference?

CanadaPhinsFan
08-26-2004, 10:18 PM
Why did Bloom need to make a choice when it's legal for players to play college football in the fall then leave and play minor league baseball in the spring and get paid and then come back in the fall again and play college football? Where's the difference?
It doesn't make sense that it's okay for baseball players, but not other athletes. I think the difference here is Williams was warned the ruling would likely be over turned, and he knew the consequences of hiring an agent. Under the circumstances I still think it would be the right thing to do if the NCAA let him back in. He fored the agent right away and gave the money back.

rkdinorl
08-26-2004, 10:31 PM
Yeah he was told he could play for the NFL by a COURT, I would believe them it they told me something.
That's great dude. Did you even read those articles that said instantly that the NFL was going to appeal the decision. Like originally said, he knew the risk. I knew more about his options just reading the paper and internet articles. It was a dumb decision and he's gonna pay for it. How many more rules do you want bended for athletes just because they're talented. Screw Mike Williams.

SuperFin34
08-26-2004, 10:49 PM
Who does want to go to class?? You act like it's a big deal he only wanted to play ball, there's hundreds of people out there that just want to play ball. When you're that good, the last thing you think about is your academics.
So true, i think its so hypocritical for people to critisize someone for using college as a minor league of the pros..If a doctor could be a doctor without the eight years of school they would be gone!!!

Jimmy James
08-26-2004, 10:52 PM
The NFL made it VERY clear to Mike Williams. He knew the risks involved and signed with the agent anyway, how is it anybody's fault but HIS OWN?

They told him the ruling was likely to be overturned, but he went ahead blindly anyway. He has nobody to blame but himself. There was ZERO need to hire an agent before the appeal had been settled, anybody who doesn't see it this way is just bashing the NCAA for the sake of it this time.

Sure the NCAA has many glaring problems, but this is not one of them. Mike Williams played the risk game and failed. His own fault. bad decision and one he has to live with.

NOw the question is whether or not his agent will give HIM back some cash! hahaha

You just said what I wanted to say. Great post.

Jimmy James
08-26-2004, 10:58 PM
Mike Williams deserves to play football. He did nothing wrong. He didn't challenge the NFL's ruling, but when he got the opportunity to go to the NFL, he took it. He did this because the rule was changed. He would have been a first round pick so I don't blame him from entering the draft. When they changed the rule again, he fired his agent and went back to school. There is no reason why he shouldn't play for USC. Mike Williams is getting screwed and he doesn't deserve it.

He absolutely deserves this, and I was preparing myself to blast the NCAA for a terrible decision if they went any other way. They're not nearly good enough about doing what is right for the ideal of the student athlete, and it may well be too late for college football and basketball to change. There was just no way to have any standard if they let Mike Williams leave school, hire an agent, and get advance money without him losing eligibility. It's a shame that Mike didn't consider things a bit more soberly, but he needs to look in the mirror if he feels he should blame somebody.

Jimmy James
08-26-2004, 11:00 PM
So true, i think its so hypocritical for people to critisize someone for using college as a minor league of the pros..If a doctor could be a doctor without the eight years of school they would be gone!!!

As a law student (granted, not exactly the same as a med student), I have to dispute your statement. I wouldn't think of attempting to practice law without the training I'm receiving even if it were not mandatory (in fact, it is not mandatory in Virginia).

Dphins4me
08-28-2004, 04:50 PM
Mike Williams deserves to play football. He did nothing wrong. He didn't challenge the NFL's ruling, but when he got the opportunity to go to the NFL, he took it. He did this because the rule was changed. He would have been a first round pick so I don't blame him from entering the draft. When they changed the rule again, he fired his agent and went back to school. There is no reason why he shouldn't play for USC. Mike Williams is getting screwed and he doesn't deserve it.
Actually this is a great thing for Williams. If he plays this year and does not dominate then his draft stock will fall. By not playing his value will remain high.

However the NCAA is a total BS, and until people stand up and stop supporting their hypocrisy it will only get worse. They want to make all the money, but do not allow players any, even ones who have overcame cancer and wrote a book about it, to play baseball. Yea, they are for the kids. They are for themselves and how much money they can put in their pockets.

Geauxfins
08-28-2004, 05:30 PM
In my opinion, the NCAA rapes it's athletes.
All they care about is making money.
They suck.
You go on believing that...clearly you were never a college athlete. The NCAA has rules. The rules are made by the member university's. The NCAA is exists to enforce the rules. Seems pretty easy to me. Mike Williams had options that did not include getting an agent and taking money from that agent. He could have retained a lawyer to advise him, and the lawyer would have told him to wait and see what happened. My opinion, bad choice and too bad he has to pay the price...but you can't set a precedent by letting him skate the rules...what's next, a kid gets an agent doesn't get drafted so you have to let him back in...then, a kid gets and agent, gets drafted by San Diego, so he wants to go back to school. Nope, the NCAA exists to enforce the rules, and that is what they did. Get over it. I think Mike will be ok...:cool:

Geauxfins
08-28-2004, 05:32 PM
Why did Bloom need to make a choice when it's legal for players to play college football in the fall then leave and play minor league baseball in the spring and get paid and then come back in the fall again and play college football? Where's the difference?
The difference is taking money for endorsements, some of which were not just for Ski equipment manufacturers.

Geauxfins
08-28-2004, 05:36 PM
Actually this is a great thing for Williams. If he plays this year and does not dominate then his draft stock will fall. By not playing his value will remain high.

However the NCAA is a total BS, and until people stand up and stop supporting their hypocrisy it will only get worse. They want to make all the money, but do not allow players any, even ones who have overcame cancer and wrote a book about it, to play baseball. Yea, they are for the kids. They are for themselves and how much money they can put in their pockets.:eek:
and who are these people making this money?? Ohhhh, yeah, you mean the universities that offer these kids a great opportunity to get an education, showcase their talents for the pro's, and give them a place to live and food on their table......those guys?

Dphins4me
08-28-2004, 07:41 PM
and who are these people making this money??
You mean you do not know?



Ohhhh, yeah, you mean the universities that offer these kids a great opportunity to get an education
Thanks for making millions off of me, while allowing me the chance to get a token education. Ask Dexter Manley how he got his 4 year degree. Might want to ask him to write it out and read it to you.


showcase their talents for the pro's, and give them a place to live and food on their table......those guys?
Give you a place to live? You are working for it. Its not given. The NCAA believes they have the right to make money off you, but you are not allowed to make money off you. The NCAA is the closes form of slavery left in America. They have priced it so people are dependant and have no other viable option other than to let themselves be exploited.

Yea, the same ones that claim these are student-athletes. The same ones that will not allow a school to buy glasses for a player in order for him to be able to read, but will allow them to buy him contacts in order to play a game.
Yea, student-athletes.

The same ones that will not allow a school to pay for a trip for kids wanting to go visit a former teammate before he dies of cancer, because its entertainment.

The same ones that fire a coach who graduates all his players but does not win as often as a coach who graduates none of his players but wins more often. He will get a big fat contract extension.

Yea those guys.

caneproud117
08-31-2004, 10:09 AM
You go on believing that...clearly you were never a college athlete. The NCAA has rules. The rules are made by the member university's. The NCAA is exists to enforce the rules. Seems pretty easy to me. Mike Williams had options that did not include getting an agent and taking money from that agent. He could have retained a lawyer to advise him, and the lawyer would have told him to wait and see what happened. My opinion, bad choice and too bad he has to pay the price...but you can't set a precedent by letting him skate the rules...what's next, a kid gets an agent doesn't get drafted so you have to let him back in...then, a kid gets and agent, gets drafted by San Diego, so he wants to go back to school. Nope, the NCAA exists to enforce the rules, and that is what they did. Get over it. I think Mike will be ok...:cool:
The court system overruled their rules and therefore was not a "rule" at the time Mike Williams declared for the draft. Once the rule was put back in place he gave back everything. I wholehearted disagree with this. He followed the rules to a t.

Bling
09-01-2004, 11:28 PM
Who does want to go to class?? You act like it's a big deal he only wanted to play ball, there's hundreds of people out there that just want to play ball. When you're that good, the last thing you think about is your academics.

you're right. These guys deserve a free pass because they play a sport, and you love to watch compeitive NCAA Football. A kid that works his *** off to be tech club president doesn't get a scholarship, he still has to go to school. And last time I checked, keeping Williams out of NCAA only hurts the ratings. NCAA Football is FOR A CLEAN SPORT not for making college look like a joke so you can get the big $$ in the NFL.