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iceblizzard69
08-31-2004, 06:38 PM
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=308909&cc=5901

Rooney was going to leave Everton sooner or later......

Bodzilla29
09-01-2004, 12:26 AM
Has only scored 17 goals in his career. Risky business, but he does look the real deal!

Mebeverine
09-01-2004, 01:28 PM
He's an astonishing player. In a good team he can be unstoppable...too much money though.

I hate the hypocrisy: with United signing him for 27 mil, no-one bats an eyelid. Had it been Chelsea, they'd have been accused of overpaying.

Prime Time
09-03-2004, 11:40 AM
Man Utd buys another home-grown Star. Alot of money. Anyone who blames Madrid or Chelsea for spending too much, why not say the same of Man Utd. ?

Mebeverine
09-03-2004, 01:59 PM
Anyone who blames Madrid or Chelsea for spending too much, why not say the same of Man Utd. ?

Simply because Rupert Murdoch hs a ton of money invested in both them and Sky Sports, which is the biggest sports media and news outlet over here. Also the two biggest selling newspapaers are backed by him as well.

Man Utd have now broken the British transfer record 4 times in 3 years, I wonder when they will admit that their fabled youth system doesn't produce anything anymore... after a freak few season in the early to mid 90's, I can think of a handful of players who have come through it.

iceblizzard69
09-03-2004, 10:38 PM
Simply because Rupert Murdoch hs a ton of money invested in both them and Sky Sports, which is the biggest sports media and news outlet over here. Also the two biggest selling newspapaers are backed by him as well.

Man Utd have now broken the British transfer record 4 times in 3 years, I wonder when they will admit that their fabled youth system doesn't produce anything anymore... after a freak few season in the early to mid 90's, I can think of a handful of players who have come through it.

I blame Manchester United for spending too much. As for their youth system, it hasn't produced much the past few years, but Jonathan Spector hasn't looked bad this season. Of course I'm biased because of the country he is from though. ;)

Mebeverine
09-04-2004, 03:23 AM
Did you know Spector was signed as a marketing ploy to get Americans to feel 'biased' in that way? Ridiculous...

iceblizzard69
09-04-2004, 10:54 AM
Did you know Spector was signed as a marketing ploy to get Americans to feel 'biased' in that way? Ridiculous...

Actually, no. Spector was signed because a Manchester United scout was at a game looking at a forward (I think the forward was from Austria). Anyway Spector caught the scouts eye and instead of signing the forward they decided to give Spector a chance. They signed Spector, had him play with the reserves and U-19s last year, and has now started games for the first team this year although that will end pretty soon. If Spector wasn't good, he would have never gotten signed, and if he wasn't good, they wouldn't start him. Spector didn't get signed because of his nationality, he got signed because of his talent. Last year, Manchester United also signed American Kenny Cooper. This signing was pretty weird since Cooper has never played for the USA on any level (Man United saw Spector playing for the USA and Spector played in last year's U-17 World Cup). Cooper was loaned out to Portugeese team Academica this year. Of course last year Manchester United signed Tim Howard who is now their #1 keeper. These signings have nothing to do with marketing. I hate Man United but they are just looking for talent and they found 3 talents in America. One of those players is their top keeper, another one is starting to play for the first team and looks like he will have a bright future for the club, and another one is on loan somewhere. These players were brought in because the club thought they had talent.

Mebeverine
09-05-2004, 11:01 AM
Umm...no it was originally a marketing ploy.

They signed a couple of Asian players at the same time as Spector, and there was a huge news story over here about how Peter Kenyon left Man United because they had started signing young American and Asian players simply as marketing ploys. Spector was one of the main players featured in this article. The fact that Spector looks a decent backup player is just a bonus to them. The article was never denied by United, and this "marketing ploy" has become widely parodied on satirical sports programmes such as 'They Think It's All Over'

Bodzilla29
09-06-2004, 03:31 PM
Dong Fanzhou anyone?

iceblizzard69
09-07-2004, 11:35 AM
Umm...no it was originally a marketing ploy.

They signed a couple of Asian players at the same time as Spector, and there was a huge news story over here about how Peter Kenyon left Man United because they had started signing young American and Asian players simply as marketing ploys. Spector was one of the main players featured in this article. The fact that Spector looks a decent backup player is just a bonus to them. The article was never denied by United, and this "marketing ploy" has become widely parodied on satirical sports programmes such as 'They Think It's All Over'

Marketing ploy? This is America. People here don't care if Manchester United signed some 17 year old American. Signing some Americans isn't going to get them more fans. Manchester United has some fans in this country, but they aren't gaining more by signing American players. None of these signings have been in the media except for Tim Howard and even he didn't get that much media attention here when he went to Manchester United. The only soccer player in this country who has gotten a lot of media attention was Freddy Adu and that died down a lot since the start of the MLS season. I know who Spector is because I follow US soccer pretty closely so I know of a lot of the players who go abroad but if I wasn't a soccer fan I would have no idea who Jonathan Spector is. It isn't like he has ever been on ESPN or anything. Do you also think that the reason Tim Howard is Manchester United's starting keeper is because of marketing?

Asia as a whole is way more interested in soccer than the US and will care a lot more if one of their youth players is signed by Manchester United. The only people in this country who care if American youth players are signed by Manchester United are those who are already soccer fans. People who don't like soccer don't give a **** about how our national team performs, where our players play, etc. The people who knew about Spector going to Manchester United were already soccer fans and already supported teams so it isn't like Manchester United gained fans with these signings.

If Manchester United was actually interested in getting the media's attention in the USA, they would have signed Freddy Adu. Signing Spector isn't exactly going to get the attention of the media here.

Mebeverine
09-07-2004, 01:19 PM
heck, it wasn't me who decided to sign him.

byt he way you say that...but your original comment was this


Of course I'm biased because of the country he is from though.

Is that not the desired effect? Subtle things like, casual fans supporting United simply because they have an American playing for them, over say Liverpool, who don't. That's another replica shirt sold.

iceblizzard69
09-07-2004, 02:14 PM
heck, it wasn't me who decided to sign him.

byt he way you say that...but your original comment was this



Is that not the desired effect? Subtle things like, casual fans supporting United simply because they have an American playing for them, over say Liverpool, who don't. That's another replica shirt sold.

I hate Man U but I don't hate Howard and Spector so I guess you can say I am biased towards those players. However, the people who knew about Spector going over there were already big soccer fans and most likely already followed another team in Europe. Signing Spector wasn't going to make people Manchester United fans and wasn't going to give the club any publicity in the USA.

Manchester United has fans in the USA, but it isn't because of Howard and Spector. These people were fans before these players went to Manchester United. People here tend to support Manchester United because they are successful (which is pretty sad), not because of their American players.

Prime Time
09-07-2004, 03:34 PM
Umm...no it was originally a marketing ploy.

They signed a couple of Asian players at the same time as Spector, and there was a huge news story over here about how Peter Kenyon left Man United because they had started signing young American and Asian players simply as marketing ploys. Spector was one of the main players featured in this article. The fact that Spector looks a decent backup player is just a bonus to them. The article was never denied by United, and this "marketing ploy" has become widely parodied on satirical sports programmes such as 'They Think It's All Over'


:roflmao: This post was hilarious! :up:

Mebeverine
09-07-2004, 04:28 PM
This post was hilarious!

Any particular reason?

Bodzilla29
09-07-2004, 07:28 PM
There are DEFINATELY more Utd fans because of American players, I can guarentee you that. This is a long term ploy by Utd and other clbs around Europe by signing foreigners from Asia and America(America not so much, yet).

In 20 years if Howard and Spector become big you donèt think more Americans will be Utd fans? If not, you are kidding yourselves. Sure they are talented, but they are there because it is a double whammy.

iceblizzard69
09-07-2004, 07:56 PM
There are DEFINATELY more Utd fans because of American players, I can guarentee you that. This is a long term ploy by Utd and other clbs around Europe by signing foreigners from Asia and America(America not so much, yet).

In 20 years if Howard and Spector become big you donèt think more Americans will be Utd fans? If not, you are kidding yourselves. Sure they are talented, but they are there because it is a double whammy.

As I've said before, the only American soccer player who gets media attention is Freddy Adu. Manchester United signing him would be a marketing ploy. If Spector and Howard become world class players, then obviously their signings aren't marketing ploys because they were brought in because of talent.

Manchester United has looked at American players, but I do think it is because of talent. Howard starts, and Spector has played in a few games in the Premiership at 18 and has looked good. I do think he will get called up to the US national team soon. Also, signing youth players (minus Adu) is not going to get any media attention here.

Bodzilla29
09-07-2004, 10:49 PM
Ice, you are missing the boat. They are signing these players yes because they are talented, but also because they are American and if they get REALLY BIG there is lots of money in it for Utd. Right now is not what Utd are after, they are BUILDING FOR THE FUTURE.

There are comparaible talents to Spector and Howard in Europe but these men were chosen because it presents an oppurtunity for Utd to strike it big in future American dollars. Dong Fanzhou was signed for the same reason. He has skill and if he makes it big Utd are THEE team in China.

They are banking on success 5-10 years from now, not tomorrow or the next day. You are missing the BIG PICTURE. They are laying the foundation, these things donèt happen overnight. They donèt care if nobody knows who Spector is now, they are banking on people knowing him in 5-10 years.

Mebeverine
09-08-2004, 04:22 AM
There are comparaible talents to Spector and Howard in Europe but these men were chosen because it presents an oppurtunity for Utd to strike it big in future American dollars. Dong Fanzhou was signed for the same reason. He has skill and if he makes it big Utd are THEE team in China.

EXACTLY.

In a choice between signign an Englsh player or an American with comparable talents, United would wing towards the American one, because of the money that could generate.

However, the Asians are their main priority right now.

Dolfan02
09-29-2004, 10:52 PM
The 18-year old Wayne Rooney scored a hat-trick (3 goals) in his debut with Manchester United as they beat Fenerbahce, the champions of the Turkish League, 6-2 in the Champions League.

I was skeptical about Rooney, I must admit, but he just might be the next big thing for England!

Mebeverine
09-30-2004, 02:47 PM
but he just might be the next big thing for England!

Welcome to June :-)