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Ross
09-10-2004, 11:30 PM
After watching this Miami/Florida St game there is no doubt that UVA is miles ahead of these teams right now.

What an ugly game...

--Ross

eckerdguy
09-11-2004, 12:10 AM
You are kidding right? Virginia won't win **** and either will Clemsom. It will still be FSU or Miami for the top spot in the ACC. I still look for FSU to pull it out and win the ACC. We all know Rix sucks but Virginia won't handle the FSU defense. And don't even try to say thats why the Noles lost tonight because everyone know Rix and Jeff Bowden suck as QB/Coach

tehMick
09-11-2004, 12:16 AM
Virginia is probably the 6th best team in the ACC behind Miami, FSU, Maryland, Clemson, and Virginia Tech.
And im not too sure they're any better than NC State.
So, in fact, they're the 7th best team in the ACC.
In conlusion, um, you're an imbecile.
:hug:
:woot:

um_canes02
09-11-2004, 10:53 AM
what kinda hoser posted this...sure the offenses looked shakey last night but i dont know if you noticed but both defenses looked pretty damn good. give the offenses a couple of weeks to iron out, and then we will see the real UM and FSU. UVA please.... HaHa

Ross
09-11-2004, 05:59 PM
Miami and Flordia states looked like crap! Both of them. Offenses were horrible and it sure wasn't from great D play. That was the sorryest excuse of top 10 football I ever seen.

Right now Virgina will smoke either one of them...

--Ross

brech10
09-12-2004, 12:41 AM
Miami and Flordia states looked like crap! Both of them. Offenses were horrible and it sure wasn't from great D play. That was the sorryest excuse of top 10 football I ever seen.

Right now Virgina will smoke either one of them...

--Ross

What a ridiculous, misspelled statement. Miami has had FSU's number the last 5 years in what has been a clash of titans in the college football world. Both Virginia's recruiting and play on the field has improved, earning them some praise. However, comparing them with FSU or Miami is crazy. They have done a good job and improved their program from average to better-than-average. Quick reminder of the last 12 years for any Virginia fan running off at the mouth:

FSU 13 - UVA 3
FSU 40 - UVA 13
FSU 41 - UVA 17
FSU 28 - UVA 32 (got 1)
FSU 31 - UVA 24
FSU 47 - UVA 21
FSU 45 - UVA 14
FSU 35 - UVA 10
FSU 37 - UVA 3
FSU 43 - UVA 7
FSU 40 - UVA 19
FSU 19 - UVA 14

(ya, maybe you'll have better luck with Miami)

Icer
09-12-2004, 01:42 AM
Miami > FSU > Virginia

Snapshot
09-12-2004, 09:52 AM
Virginia will not win the ACC. It will be either Miami or FSU.

Ross
09-12-2004, 10:41 AM
Look people I said if they continue to play like they did in that game UVA will take the ACC. That game may have been billed as a clash of the Titans, but it was anything but...

--Ross

um_canes02
09-12-2004, 06:40 PM
and you can tell how far ahead of these two teams virginia is how??? by the way they played against temple and north carolina...please!! get back to us after the two game set of clemson and florida state PUNK!!

um_canes02
09-12-2004, 06:44 PM
just look at their schedule and tell me that they are gonna win the acc. they have to travel to florida state after a game with clemson. and then look at their last three games: miami, @ georgia tech, @ va. tech.... Not exactly a favorable schedule other than they get miami at home.

brech10
09-12-2004, 09:34 PM
Right now Virgina will smoke either one of them...



Virgina ???

hahaha

SMadison29
09-12-2004, 10:44 PM
LMFAO, what has Virginia done that has impressed you so? They've played two of the worst division 1A schools & should have won handedly. Virginia has a good running game but Miami has one of the best run D's. Plus Virginia has an inexperienced undersized QB, that was a WR last year, playing QB.

um_canes02
09-13-2004, 08:39 AM
in all honesty get back to us when they actually play somebody

eckerdguy
09-13-2004, 06:19 PM
Viriginia hasn't played anybody. You beat two subpar teams and you think you can beat FSU or Miami...HA! As crappy as both teams looked on Friday night they still would kill Virginia, maybe the fact that they both have awesome defenses didn't occur to you. I really think Duke will win the ACC this football season, they looked tough against UCONN

finguy
09-13-2004, 09:34 PM
This guy is a die hard VA fan. Should we berate him for this statement. Yes:roflmao:

ThunderCane
09-21-2004, 01:39 PM
I guess Ricky must be sharing that funky stuff. Cause you have to high to believe that VA or Duke will win the ACC.

Right now it is Miami's title to lose. After seeing GT and Clemson choke this past weekend. Miami is still the strong front runner.

There is still a lot of games to be played and I feel very-very good about the CANES winning their first ACC title. The D is very strong and fast, with Rolle leading the D. The O looks much improved to last years and the running game is as strong as ever.

Time will tell!

GO CANES!!!

um_canes02
09-23-2004, 11:33 AM
what a weak non-conference slate:
akron, temple, syracuse
i mean they do have to face us and fsu in conference play but c'mon...

Deez Nutz
09-25-2004, 01:00 AM
Right now Virgina will smoke either one of them...

--RossI'll believe that when I see it

Ross
10-07-2004, 10:29 PM
You are going to see it soon enough...

--Ross

um_canes02
10-07-2004, 11:24 PM
i dont know man, the first half y'all looked a little shaky, i will become a believer after i watch the fsu game

Ross
10-09-2004, 09:03 PM
i dont know man, the first half y'all looked a little shaky, i will become a believer after i watch the fsu game

True. But I don't think Miami or FSU is as good as they have been in the past. At least not yet....

--Ross

tehMick
10-10-2004, 01:47 AM
Well, clearly i dont know anything about ACC Football.
:roflmao:

Virginia is probably the 6th best team in the ACC behind Miami, FSU, Maryland, Clemson, and Virginia Tech.
And im not too sure they're any better than NC State.
So, in fact, they're the 7th best team in the ACC.
In conlusion, um, you're an imbecile.
:hug:
:woot:

modestophinfan
10-10-2004, 03:33 AM
Ross, when the canes play virginia, the canes are gonna run all over the cavaliers, Lance Leggett will get 3 TDs, and Gore will run for another. Bottom Line: It aint gonna be pretty.

Ross
10-10-2004, 11:36 PM
Ross, when the canes play virginia, the canes are gonna run all over the cavaliers, Lance Leggett will get 3 TDs, and Gore will run for another. Bottom Line: It aint gonna be pretty.

We'll see. Miami isn't exactly making me scared yet.

First things first though. FSU.

--Ross

modestophinfan
10-11-2004, 04:00 AM
Ross, FSU is going to beat VA's *** up and down the field on Saturday, it isnt even going to be funny at all. Im sorry man, but thats the way it is.

brech10
10-11-2004, 09:32 AM
I don't see UVA winning in Tallahassee.
I know they like the fact that Syracuse gave FSU a game, but if I were a UVA fan, I would have rather FSU blown Syracuse out and feel like they are coasting coming into this game...the close one provides an urgency.

However...saying UVA is the 6th best team in the ACC is just ridiculous

Ross
10-11-2004, 08:39 PM
Hey people, VA doesn't deserve the respect Miami or FSU deserve. You guys have the history, you guys have gotten it done before.

Having said that, this is by far the most Athletic team VA has ever put on the field. FSU had better be on top their game.

Only a three point underdog so ...

--Ross

shane_109
10-12-2004, 04:55 PM
viriginia is not even close to miami or fsu

um_canes02
10-14-2004, 12:51 PM
virginia is for real and america will see that on saturday when they beat an average fsu squad that had a hard time with syracuse, and even bowden admitted they should have lost.

Ross
10-14-2004, 09:42 PM
FSU hasn't exactly played up to their normal standards

Philter25
10-15-2004, 11:50 AM
Virginia is probably the 6th best team in the ACC behind Miami, FSU, Maryland, Clemson, and Virginia Tech.
And im not too sure they're any better than NC State.
So, in fact, they're the 7th best team in the ACC.
In conlusion, um, you're an imbecile.
:hug:
:woot:
wow... oh how the times have turned.........

Ross
10-15-2004, 10:57 PM
I think VA. has a good shot at FSU. Rix is hurt, not starting. FSU's comeback against Syracuse was accomplished by the run, and quick slant routes. That play's into VA's defensive strenght. The LB's.

Doesn't mean our O can move the ball of FSU's D though...

--Ross

tehMick
10-16-2004, 12:48 AM
If you scroll up you'd notice i quoted myself 6 days ago and made a self-deprecating post about my ACC football knowledge.

...or lack of it.


wow... oh how the times have turned.........

StartingTailbak
10-16-2004, 10:37 PM
I am watching the FSU v UVA game right now. It was 19-3 FSU at the half and it wasn't even that close. In the second half it looks like Va is completely abandoning it's gameplan. The don't even look like they belong on the same field with FSU. This game is over. And this discussion can be laid to rest.

Ross
10-16-2004, 10:40 PM
So much for VA having a shot at FSU or the ACC title.

FSU beat VA in every facet of the game. Very complete win.

Congrats.

--Ross

Rick 1966
10-16-2004, 11:17 PM
As a Canes fan, I was a bit worried about Virginia before this game. Now I am just worried about Virginia Tech.

Icer
10-16-2004, 11:29 PM
Ouch, talk about a beat down.

Good bye Pretenders

Lights_Out
10-17-2004, 12:11 AM
nice thread ..........lol....beat down in every phase of the game......

Bling
10-17-2004, 11:35 AM
LMAO @ Fearing Virginia Tech!


















GO NOLES

Rick 1966
10-17-2004, 12:09 PM
LMAO @ Fearing Virginia Tech!


Why? Your post makes little sense and, btw, your sigline is pretty pitiful, given your team's record against UM.

Bling
10-17-2004, 06:24 PM
Why? Your post makes little sense and, btw, your sigline is pretty pitiful, given your team's record against UM.

If I were UM, I wouldn't fear VT.
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btw, your logic is pretty pitiful. Sucks as in I hate them, not sucks as in they're horrible.
:rolleyes:

brech10
10-17-2004, 07:12 PM
FSU beat Virginia...but that doens't mean Virginia isn't good enough to contend.
The way FSU beat Virginia is why we now know they are not good enough to contend.

They were destroyed by a far supperior football team.

UVA is confused now...fans took pride in the 275 yards per game on the ground.
Line them up against a real defense (29 carries for 20 yards).

Rick 1966
10-17-2004, 09:26 PM
btw, your logic is pretty pitiful. Sucks as in I hate them, not sucks as in they're horrible.
:rolleyes:

Ah, I see...you don't know what the meaning of "sucks" is in this context. What you meant to say was "I hate UM," which is unarguable...no one could tell you that you DIDN'T hate them. Saying "UM sucks" is a statement of quality, not preference.

Bling
10-17-2004, 09:49 PM
Ah, I see...you don't know what the meaning of "sucks" is in this context. What you meant to say was "I hate UM," which is unarguable...no one could tell you that you DIDN'T hate them. Saying "UM sucks" is a statement of quality, not preference.

:lol: Ok, I'll change it

um_canes02
10-19-2004, 02:44 PM
bling, your stance against the noles is pretty strong considering you have admitted to only liking the noles for what two seasons. how does the bandwagon feel, is it crowding up after the uva win.

um_canes02
10-19-2004, 02:45 PM
im sorry i meant to say "against the canes"

CirclingWagons
10-19-2004, 07:44 PM
God I love the Miami Hurricanes...it's always great to have them when all your other teams are screwing the pooch

Bling
10-19-2004, 08:11 PM
bling, your stance against the noles is pretty strong considering you have admitted to only liking the noles for what two seasons. how does the bandwagon feel, is it crowding up after the uva win.

If you'd like, go back since (I want to say) July, how I supporting FSU. Then after the game, how I supported FSU. Now, I'm still supporting FSU.

Bling
10-19-2004, 08:19 PM
http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/showthread.php?t=40810


http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/showpost.php?p=573307&postcount=4

http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/showthread.php?t=40809

http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/showpost.php?p=526418&postcount=3

What's next? I edited the text? How about you stick to talking about **** that you barely know, instead of people's teams.

CirclingWagons
10-19-2004, 09:11 PM
http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/showthread.php?t=40810


http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/showpost.php?p=573307&postcount=4

http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/showthread.php?t=40809

http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/showpost.php?p=526418&postcount=3

What's next? I edited the text? How about you stick to talking about **** that you barely know, instead of people's teams.

well, we all know this much: FSU is Miami's ***** :)

Wide Right I
Wide right II
Wide Right III
Wide Left I
Wide Left II
Block!

it's not nice to bad-mouth your daddy :shakeno:

Mindwarp
10-19-2004, 09:18 PM
FSU would have beat miami this year if the Canes MVP for the last 5 yrs was not playing..


Chris Rix is teh uber sux

Thank god they have Wyatt Sexton playing now.

papafin
10-19-2004, 11:10 PM
FSU would have beat miami this year if the Canes MVP for the last 5 yrs was not playing..

:roflmao:
Every Cane fan on the face of the planet saw that one coming from a mile away. Do you honestly believe that? Wyatt Sexton, in his first college start, versus the Miami Hurricanes in the Orange Bowl. Probably not the most ideal situation for a young QB to cut his teeth.

If we'd started Kyle Wright, we win that game comfortably. Not so logical, heh?

Bling
10-21-2004, 08:20 PM
well, we all know this much: FSU is Miami's ***** :)

Wide Right I
Wide right II
Wide Right III
Wide Left I
Wide Left II
Block!

it's not nice to bad-mouth your daddy :shakeno:

surprising, um_canes isn't here to correct you.


Buddy, it's Wide Right IV, not Wide Left II. Don't worry, we all make mistakes. I won't call you a bandwagoner.

Bling
10-21-2004, 08:21 PM
:roflmao:
Every Cane fan on the face of the planet saw that one coming from a mile away. Do you honestly believe that? Wyatt Sexton, in his first college start, versus the Miami Hurricanes in the Orange Bowl. Probably not the most ideal situation for a young QB to cut his teeth.

If we'd started Kyle Wright, we win that game comfortably. Not so logical, heh?

I think we all can agree that Rix always underachieves when he plays UM. He isn't the passer he is when he plays other teams. Sure, he does play one of the best secondaries, but he makes some bonehead plays he wouldn't make vs. UNC.

papafin
10-22-2004, 02:36 AM
I think we all can agree that Rix always underachieves when he plays UM. He isn't the passer he is when he plays other teams. Sure, he does play one of the best secondaries, but he makes some bonehead plays he wouldn't make vs. UNC.

Agreed, on all counts. Miami's defense has alot to do with Rixie's poor play. My post was directed at the other guy.


FSU would have beat miami this year if the Canes MVP for the last 5 yrs was not playing.

What are the alternatives? Joe Montana, John Elway, or Dan Marino? Hardly. FSU could've started Rix, Sexton, or XLee. To suggest that one of the latter would've outperformed Rix, in the OB vs. UM (at night, no less), in their first college start is utterly insane.

I think FSU is a "top 5" type team in the nation. I think they're better off with WS than CR. But, everyone goes through growing pains (read: Dorsey vs. Washington in 2000). I have a big problem believing that Sexton (or any other freshman, for that matter) would've had much success in that environment. Call me naive...

nick1
10-22-2004, 10:07 AM
Virginia has no chance to win the ACC anymore, their lost to FSU sealed their fate. Miami has all but locked up the ACC

Phishstix
10-22-2004, 08:50 PM
i can't believe i've been sleepin on this thread. uva win the acc.....hahahahahaha, that's the funniest thing i've ever heard. that fsu game was one enjoyable experience for yours truly, it finally shuts up all of these hoos that were talking nat'l title this year.

Brad528
10-22-2004, 11:40 PM
Overrated.....overrated.....!!!!!!!!!!

Ross
10-23-2004, 09:28 AM
All these Hoo's? I believe I'm the only one here and I didn't say a thing about a national title.

On a side note, Miami had better hope they don't have to play FSU again with Wyatt at QB. If he'd been the QB in the first game Miami would have the L instead of the FSU.

Not much doubt about that considering how ugly the QB play was in that game...

--Ross

nick1
10-23-2004, 11:37 AM
you also have to consider that on the Miami defense Wyatt would not do *hit plus Berlin has gottin better since that game too

Bling
10-23-2004, 01:44 PM
you also have to consider that on the Miami defense Wyatt would not do *hit plus Berlin has gottin better since that game too

Funny...I heard the same about Berlin last year--look what he did in the OB. Berlin just isn't a good QB. The fact of the matter is that both teams have tremendous Defenses, and it comes down to which QB doesn't suck more.

papafin
10-23-2004, 04:09 PM
On a side note, Miami had better hope they don't have to play FSU again with Wyatt at QB. If he'd been the QB in the first game Miami would have the L instead of the FSU.

:shakeno:
Good call. Sexton would've shredded Miami's defense in his first college start. Happens all the time. The OB at night is a bit of a different animal than the Carrier Dome vs. Syracuse.

papafin
10-23-2004, 04:34 PM
Funny...I heard the same about Berlin last year--look what he did in the OB. Berlin just isn't a good QB. The fact of the matter is that both teams have tremendous Defenses, and it comes down to which QB doesn't suck more.

Stats through the first 5 games

Berlin TD Int.
2003 6 7
2004 8 3

Hmm, no improvement? Look, I'll never be the guy that calls BB a great QB. The fact is, he is light years ahead of where he was last year. The coaches have obviously told Brock to just not lose games for them. He's done that, and also proven that he can carry the team to victory (FSU and 'Ville) if need be. I'm the first guy to call a spade as such. If Brock struggles, I'm not making excuses for him. Last year he was atrocious. This year (to this point) he's been far better. It may or may not last, who knows?

Phishstix
10-23-2004, 09:24 PM
All these Hoo's? I believe I'm the only one here and I didn't say a thing about a national title.

On a side note, Miami had better hope they don't have to play FSU again with Wyatt at QB. If he'd been the QB in the first game Miami would have the L instead of the FSU.

Not much doubt about that considering how ugly the QB play was in that game...

--Ross

i wasn't talking about you in particular, but living in va., all i've heard on the local news and from my hoos friends is that this is the year. yea, aite.

StartingTailbak
10-23-2004, 09:37 PM
:shakeno:
Good call. Sexton would've shredded Miami's defense in his first college start. Happens all the time. The OB at night is a bit of a different animal than the Carrier Dome vs. Syracuse.

It's almost as if you did not watch the game. Rix handed the game to the Canes, literally. He was on his knees praying 'Please let me find a way to lose this game.' And he finally found a Canes player, or two, who was willing to take the gift. Rix may make an outstanding WR in the NFL maybe a good conditioning coach.

I don't think anyone is saying Sexton would have shredded UM's D. There are 10 other players on offense and 11 on D that totally beat UM. The QB was the weak link in that game. Sexton would not have had as much in-game experience and familiarity with the WRs but he also would not have made as many mistakes. That is the story of Rix's career. Brilliant series followed by bonehead plays.

Say what you will about Syracuse, FSU still won that game. Syracuse may be as good as #18 ranked Louisville (freaking Army scored 3 TDs on them). And Louiville totally whooped on Miami in the order of 40 points. On both counts the better team did what it should, win.

Wake Forest scored 2 defensive TDs and on FSU before half time. They only got a field goal the rest of the way and the D almost pitched a shutout the rest of the game.

Unless USC or Oklahoma loses Miami will probably face FSU again in a BCS bowl then we will see who is the best in the state and in the conference.

It's sad though because the BCS and the polls really suck. Oklahoma has been beating tomato cans by a large margin so theyHow in blazes is Georgia still ranked that much higher than Tennessee? Maybe they need to get a better uni.

Notre Dame sux and they are suddenly ranked. Big surprise. :rolleyes: They will finish 7-4 this year and still manage to get a bowl.

Ross
10-23-2004, 09:56 PM
i wasn't talking about you in particular, but living in va., all i've heard on the local news and from my hoos friends is that this is the year. yea, aite.

Well that was stupid talk until after they had played FSU. What Dips. You don't talk like that until you earn the right to talk like that...

--Ross

Ross
10-23-2004, 10:00 PM
:shakeno:
Good call. Sexton would've shredded Miami's defense in his first college start. Happens all the time. The OB at night is a bit of a different animal than the Carrier Dome vs. Syracuse.

Dude he couldn't have played worse QB. The QB was throwing the ball 5 yards into the dirt. Doesn't matter if it would have been his first start. There were opportunities and the QB was never close. You can't even begin to say that was because of great D....

--Ross

papafin
10-24-2004, 04:25 AM
There are 10 other players on offense and 11 on D that totally beat UM.

Who wasn't watching the game? Do the link, youngster.
FSU totally outplayed UM (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=242542390)
Looks to me as if UM outgained FSU 365-165. Keep spouting that garbage that FSU outplayed UM. It may come to fruition, eventually.


but he also would not have made as many mistakes.
please give me the numbers to the state lotto, oh great Nostradomus. You don't watch very much football.


Syracuse may be as good as #18 ranked Louisville (freaking Army scored 3 TDs on them).
Absolutely. SU is twice the team that Louisville is. Ask anyone who knows a thing about football. Freakin' Rutgers scored 31 on them.

Please make more excuses. I've freely admitted that FSU is a good (top 5 caliber) team. UM is better. They proved it on the field. But I guess I should never expect an FSU fan to admit as much.

papafin
10-24-2004, 04:36 AM
You can't even begin to say that was because of great D....
You're right, nowhere near the caliber defense that let a freshmen put 36 on them.

Point is that UM won the game, Period. You guys look sillier and sillier by making all of these excuses. Show me someone who agrees with you (other than FSexcuse fans) on the matter of Sexton winning the UM game. I'll show you a guy who knows nothing about football.

Rick 1966
10-24-2004, 09:39 AM
You guys look sillier and sillier by making all of these excuses.

They're typical FSU fans...every time Miami beats them, they always have some excuse and some reason why "we would beat you if we played you later in the year." Except of course last year, when the Canes beat them TWICE. No wonder they're bitter. :roflmao:

Bling
10-24-2004, 08:36 PM
Stats through the first 5 games

Berlin TD Int.
2003 6 7
2004 8 3

Hmm, no improvement? Look, I'll never be the guy that calls BB a great QB. The fact is, he is light years ahead of where he was last year. The coaches have obviously told Brock to just not lose games for them. He's done that, and also proven that he can carry the team to victory (FSU and 'Ville) if need be. I'm the first guy to call a spade as such. If Brock struggles, I'm not making excuses for him. Last year he was atrocious. This year (to this point) he's been far better. It may or may not last, who knows?

Instead of a 1.2, it's a 1.6 TD rate through 5 games. So basically, you're telling me that BB is going to score 1 TD more? Sorry, besides the INTs, he isn't improving considering the fact that he hasn't lost Gore, and has a much more matured WR core.

nick1
10-24-2004, 08:58 PM
Instead of a 1.2, it's a 1.6 TD rate through 5 games. So basically, you're telling me that BB is going to score 1 TD more? Sorry, besides the INTs, he isn't improving considering the fact that he hasn't lost Gore, and has a much more matured WR core.

look kid! before you speak remember to respect you elders, UM is clearly better then FSU (who had trouble with Forest).

Ross
10-24-2004, 09:14 PM
You're right, nowhere near the caliber defense that let a freshmen put 36 on them.

Point is that UM won the game, Period. You guys look sillier and sillier by making all of these excuses. Show me someone who agrees with you (other than FSexcuse fans) on the matter of Sexton winning the UM game. I'll show you a guy who knows nothing about football.

Is sounds ignorant to say that either team played like a top five ball club that night. Both teams sucked in preformance compared to past teams who held that honor.

Show me a guy who thinks they did, and I'll show you a homer who either didn't see the game, or don't know **** about football...

--Ross

Bling
10-24-2004, 09:14 PM
look kid! before you speak remember to respect you elders, UM is clearly better then FSU (who had trouble with Forest).

Congrats, you're lame--someone that's only a grade over me is bragging about his age.

I'll remember to brag about you guys barely beating an unranked team. You know how many times upsets happen to top 10 teams? At the end of the day, we won. That's all that matters.

papafin
10-24-2004, 09:46 PM
Wow, wrong (again) on almost every front. First, I'll give you the updated numbers, just for the heck of it.

Stats through 6 games
Berlin TD Int.
2003 7 10
2004 13 4


Now, let's get to your post.




Instead of a 1.2, it's a 1.6 TD rate through 5 games. So basically, you're telling me that BB is going to score 1 TD more?

I'll give you this--you figured out the TD/game correctly. The rest of that portion of your post is WRONG.
In 2003, UM played 13 games. Through 5 games, (as you pointed out) Brock was on pace to throw 1.2 TD passes/game. If he'd kept that pace (which he didn't), he would have thrown 15.6 TDs. For the sake of round numbers, I'll say that would have been 16.
In 2004, UM will play 12 games. If you want to evaluate Brock this year vs. last year, all things have to be equal. So you have to use the 13 games marker. Brock is on pace for 1.6 TD passes/game(through 5 games). If he keeps that pace (he greatly improved that pace last night, but I'll use the numbers through 5 games just for the sake of argument), he'll throw 20.8 TDs. Again, for the sake of round numbers, I'll say 21,
Let's see, 21-16=5. Nice try with the "only one more TD" argument.



Sorry, besides the INTs, he isn't improving

Are you aware that the SINGLE most important stat in football is turnovers? Winning the turnover battle correlates to winning games over ANY other stat (except, of course, points for/against :tongue: ). I would expect any fan of the sport to know this.


considering the fact that he hasn't lost Gore,

Uh, he didn't lose Gore until the fifth game last year.



and has a much more matured WR core.

Roscoe Parrish (322 yards) and Ryan Moore (637 yards) are the only returning WR who played in more than 3 games last year. Moore has 3 catches (in 3 games) this year. Lance Leggett, Darnell Jenkins, and Akeem Jolla have made big contributions this year. Before this year, those three guys have played in 4 college football games combined. So here's my question--how is our WR corps much more matured? Don't you have to play in games to mature? I haven't even mentioned the losses of Kevin Beard and some tight end named Winslow. They aren't WR, but Greg Olsen and Kevin Everett (our tight ends if you're wondering) are very inexperienced as well. Everett saw plenty of action last year, but that Winslow guy caught the Lion's share of TE passes.


I guess that addresses most of your post.

papafin
10-24-2004, 10:08 PM
Is sounds ignorant to say that either team played like a top five ball club that night.


Not as ignorant as this sounds:


Virginia will win the ACC this year.

How's that working for you these days?



I (along with 250 million other americans) don't care what YOU think UM/FSU looked like that night. It's of minor importance. AP writers, college coaches, and the BCS all agree that both are top 5 teams right now. That really doesn't matter either. The rankings on Jan. 5 are the ones that matter. Every team has games in which they don't "look the part". USC struggled with unranked Stanford and Va. Tech. OU had problems with 2-4 Kansas State. Auburn need some breaks to beat a very average LSU team. Wisconsin needed a Kyle Orton fumble inside 3:00 to beat Purdue. Maybe, by your system, Utah should be the #1 ranked team. I think they've looked good in all of their games.

Ross
10-24-2004, 10:47 PM
“Not as ignorant as this sounds:”

Almost as cowardly as leaving out the following sentence. "After watching this Miami/Florida St game there is no doubt that UVA is miles ahead of these teams right now.”
I guess you missed that, or the words “right now”. Right then both teams sucked.

“I (along with 250 million other americans) don't care what YOU think UM/FSU looked like that night. It's of minor importance….yada, yada, yada, Blah blah, blah” (Don’t you ever get tired of hearing yourself talk?)

Yeah, you would be right in saying its’ of minor importance it we WEREN”T TALKING ABOUT THAT GAME. LOL, do you even know how to stay on subject? I have my doubts, but I’ll try again for the learning disabled that seem to spawn on this board. YOUR TEAM SUCKED that night. If your grandmaw had played in that game, she couldn’t have played the QB position any worse. If Sexton had played in that game Miami would have the ‘L’ and not FSU. There’s no getting around that unless you are such a homer that you can’t even say your team had a bad game.

I await the typicial homer’s reply of how your team always walks on water...

--Ross

papafin
10-25-2004, 11:05 AM
Almost as cowardly as leaving out the following sentence. "After watching this Miami/Florida St game there is no doubt that UVA is miles ahead of these teams right now.”I guess you missed that, or the words “right now”. Right then both teams sucked.

Nope, didn't miss it. I thought I would give you a pass on the idiocy of that statement. You want to call me out on that, fine. You made that post the night of the UM/FSU game. Tell me something, at that point in the season, who had UVA played that you were basing that claim on. That's right, TEMPLE. Let's see if I have this correct.

1. <Ross sees two traditionally strong programs in one of the fiercest rivalry games around play a defensive struggle>

2. <Ross sees his hoos woodshed one of the worst teams in college football>

3. <Ross deduces the hoos are better than UM and FSU RIGHT THEN>

Too rich.


If Sexton had played in that game Miami would have the ‘L’ and not FSU.
What on earth are you basing this on? Sexton lighting up the overrated hoos? Do me a favor, tell me the last time a freshman qb led his team to victory against a top 5 team, on the road, at night, in his first college start.

I'll be waiting.

Btw, here are Sextons stats in his two road games this year.

32/65 363 yds. 2 TD 3 int.

This is against Wake Forest and Syracuse. Not exactly world beaters. Both are 3-4.Here's the link.
Sexton's Stats (http://college.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=136670)

papafin
10-25-2004, 11:41 AM
Forgot to address this part of your post.


There’s no getting around that unless you are such a homer that you can’t even say your team had a bad game.

I can freely admit when my team has a bad game. Houston was not good. Our defense sucked against Louisville and NC State. It's football, I have better things to do than make excuses when they are unfounded. I will, however, defend my team against claims that are absurd. There is a big difference in looking pedestrian vs. FSU and looking pedestrian vs. Houston. FSU has a great defense, and have made a few teams look average. Houston smokes pole (not that there's anything wrong with that:D), and UM's game vs. them was terrible. You gotta keep it in perspective, man.

Bling
10-27-2004, 04:26 PM
Wow, wrong (again) on almost every front. First, I'll give you the updated numbers, just for the heck of it.

Stats through 6 games
Berlin TD Int.
2003 7 10
2004 13 4


Now, let's get to your post.




I'll give you this--you figured out the TD/game correctly. The rest of that portion of your post is WRONG.
In 2003, UM played 13 games. Through 5 games, (as you pointed out) Brock was on pace to throw 1.2 TD passes/game. If he'd kept that pace (which he didn't), he would have thrown 15.6 TDs. For the sake of round numbers, I'll say that would have been 16.
In 2004, UM will play 12 games. If you want to evaluate Brock this year vs. last year, all things have to be equal. So you have to use the 13 games marker. Brock is on pace for 1.6 TD passes/game(through 5 games). If he keeps that pace (he greatly improved that pace last night, but I'll use the numbers through 5 games just for the sake of argument), he'll throw 20.8 TDs. Again, for the sake of round numbers, I'll say 21,
Let's see, 21-16=5. Nice try with the "only one more TD" argument.

I said 1 more TD vs. FSU, not 1 more TD on the year.





Are you aware that the SINGLE most important stat in football is turnovers? Winning the turnover battle correlates to winning games over ANY other stat (except, of course, points for/against :tongue: ). I would expect any fan of the sport to know this.

Keep putting words in my mouth. I said besides INTs, he isn't improving. Where did I say he wasn't improving?


Uh, he didn't lose Gore until the fifth game last year.

Do you just have reading problems?


Roscoe Parrish (322 yards) and Ryan Moore (637 yards) are the only returning WR who played in more than 3 games last year. Moore has 3 catches (in 3 games) this year. Lance Leggett, Darnell Jenkins, and Akeem Jolla have made big contributions this year. Before this year, those three guys have played in 4 college football games combined. So here's my question--how is our WR corps much more matured? Don't you have to play in games to mature? I haven't even mentioned the losses of Kevin Beard and some tight end named Winslow. They aren't WR, but Greg Olsen and Kevin Everett (our tight ends if you're wondering) are very inexperienced as well. Everett saw plenty of action last year, but that Winslow guy caught the Lion's share of TE passes.

Oh ****, you lost Kevin Beard!!!!!! I said your WR corp is mature, which basically means they're a better corp than last year.


and yeah, if you guys actually had a WR last year, you wouldn't have to rely on Winslow.




Sorry, until Berlin proves to me that he's drastically improved, and can make FSU's secondary look bad, you're just another homer.

nick1
10-27-2004, 04:54 PM
why do you hate UM? Cause they kick FSU's @$$ every year or because your too young to realize their greatness?

papafin
10-27-2004, 10:04 PM
I said 1 more TD vs. FSU, not 1 more TD on the year.



Instead of a 1.2, it's a 1.6 TD rate through 5 games. So basically, you're telling me that BB is going to score 1 TD more? Sorry, besides the INTs, he isn't improving considering the fact that he hasn't lost Gore, and has a much more matured WR core.

Hmm, please show me where it says something about "1 more TD vs. FSU" in that post. I posted a stat of Berlin's TD/int ratio of 2003 vs. 2004. You retort with his TD/game rate, commenting that he'll score "1 TD more". That is obviously a take on his yearly production, not just that vs. FSU. You should play defensive back with all of the backpedalling you do.





Keep putting words in my mouth. I said besides INTs, he isn't improving. Where did I say he wasn't improving?


Two things here.

1. Nick made the comment that Berlin had gotten better since the FSU game, to which you replied:


Funny...I heard the same about Berlin last year--look what he did in the OB. Berlin just isn't a good QB.
While you didn't explicitly say Brock isn't improving, you certainly insuated as much.

2. By saying "besides INTs", you're minimizing the value of that stat. I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. The fact is that cutting down on turnovers for Berlin is HUGE. It makes him infinitely more valuable to the Canes. With the recent defensive struggles, Brock (along w/ Hester) has been the team MVP for the last couple of weeks.


Do you just have reading problems?

No, I have other problems as well. :D
You, again, minimized BB's improvement in pointing out that this year he still has Frank Gore to help shoulder the load. I pointed out that Gore was hurt in Game 5 last year. Our discussions have been centered on BB's play through the first 5 games of last year vs. this year. By making the statement about Gore, you imply that Berlin's improvement is (in part) attributed to Gore's presence. While having Gore certainly doesn't hurt Berlin, it's not really a variable b/c Gore was there last year as well. In fact, Gore had better numbers through the first 5 last year.


I said your WR corp is mature, which basically means they're a better corp than last year.

The word "mature" implies age. Our WR are relatively young. I do agree that they're better than last year, but alot of that can be attributed to Brock (and Werner) perfoming better this year. Our OC last year was a baffoon.
Roscoe--Jr
Moore---So
Jenkins--So
Moss----So
Leggett--Fr
Jolla-----So


if you guys actually had a WR last year, you wouldn't have to rely on Winslow.

Any idea what tea's going for in China these days?




Sorry, until Berlin proves to me that he's drastically improved, and can make FSU's secondary look bad, you're just another homer.

Why? You've said yourself that FSU has a great defense. While he didn't make FSU's secondary look bad, they didn't exactly shut him down, either. He was 20/36 for 255yds. with 1TD/1int. I've said myself that Brock isn't great. I think he's "drastically improved". What about that makes me a "homer"? The numbers certainly agree with me.

As I said in an earlier post, his updated numbers are:
13 TDs
4 Ints.

If you don't think that's drastically better, you're expecting too much. What sort of numbers do you want him to put up in order to be drastically better?

StartingTailbak
10-27-2004, 11:27 PM
Who wasn't watching the game? Do the link, youngster.
FSU totally outplayed UM (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=242542390)
Looks to me as if UM outgained FSU 365-165. Keep spouting that garbage that FSU outplayed UM. It may come to fruition, eventually.


please give me the numbers to the state lotto, oh great Nostradomus. You don't watch very much football.


Absolutely. SU is twice the team that Louisville is. Ask anyone who knows a thing about football. Freakin' Rutgers scored 31 on them.

Please make more excuses. I've freely admitted that FSU is a good (top 5 caliber) team. UM is better. They proved it on the field. But I guess I should never expect an FSU fan to admit as much.


Try this link Much more accurate (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/playbyplay?gameId=242542390&quarter=4)

You even quoted me as saying that 10 players on offense and 11 players on defense totally outplayed UM. That is what I typed and that is what I meant. I guess you had to find something to be offended at. I am not sure where you are coming from. Rix's play in the 4th quarter was atrocious. He started it off with an interception and managed the game poorly.

Miami gained over 200 of those 364 yards and all 16 points in the 4th and in overtime due to Rix's mistakes. The point of my post was to illustrate that Rix was the only reason FSU lost the game, nothing more. My statements are accurate no matter how you try to spin the final stats. You say I don't know much about football yet you don't back up your arguments. If you have to start getting personal you've already lost the debate.

They will replay the game on the Sunshine Network, if you have it. Watch it again.

papafin
10-28-2004, 08:02 AM
Nope, there is no reason to get personal. You are right about that. But, your assertations that Rix is the sole reason that FSU lost that game are laughable, at best. What if I told you that Roscoe Parrish is the only reason that game was even close? He fumbled the ball that Cro returned for the TD. If it weren't for that, we'd have waxed FSU.

You see, coulda, shoulda, wouldas are lame. Miami owned FSU in that game. The stats show it, the scoreboard proves it. Miami moved the ball up and down the field all night. FSU showed great resilience(sp?) by keeping them out of the endzone. Doesn't change the fact that Miami handled them regularly.


Miami gained over 200 of those 364 yards and all 16 points in the 4th and in overtime due to Rix's mistakes.

So, maybe they should change the game to 3 quarters. Or maybe anything that happens due to the opposing players' mistakes should be discounted. So that game would've ended 0-0. You see, I'm not disputing the fact that Rix was not-so-good in this game. But, you guys that say he's the only reason you lost the game are reaching, at best. If it weren't for Miami turnovers, FSU would not have sniffed the scoreboard, but FSU's scores still count. Funny thing about football.

Bling
10-28-2004, 05:42 PM
Hmm, please show me where it says something about "1 more TD vs. FSU" in that post. I posted a stat of Berlin's TD/int ratio of 2003 vs. 2004. You retort with his TD/game rate, commenting that he'll score "1 TD more". That is obviously a take on his yearly production, not just that vs. FSU. You should play defensive back with all of the backpedalling you do.

Maybe I didn't make it clear enough. If his TD ratio stayed consistent with the one in 2004, he would have thrown 1 TD more in the FSU vs. UM game. How does someone only get 1 TD more on the season from those numbers?






Two things here.

1. Nick made the comment that Berlin had gotten better since the FSU game, to which you replied:
While you didn't explicitly say Brock isn't improving, you certainly insuated as much.

2. By saying "besides INTs", you're minimizing the value of that stat. I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. The fact is that cutting down on turnovers for Berlin is HUGE. It makes him infinitely more valuable to the Canes. With the recent defensive struggles, Brock (along w/ Hester) has been the team MVP for the last couple of weeks.

I think Berlin honestly is a much smarter QB than last year.


No, I have other problems as well. :D
You, again, minimized BB's improvement in pointing out that this year he still has Frank Gore to help shoulder the load. I pointed out that Gore was hurt in Game 5 last year. Our discussions have been centered on BB's play through the first 5 games of last year vs. this year. By making the statement about Gore, you imply that Berlin's improvement is (in part) attributed to Gore's presence. While having Gore certainly doesn't hurt Berlin, it's not really a variable b/c Gore was there last year as well. In fact, Gore had better numbers through the first 5 last year.

I misread, sorry.


The word "mature" implies age. Our WR are relatively young. I do agree that they're better than last year, but alot of that can be attributed to Brock (and Werner) perfoming better this year. Our OC last year was a baffoon.
Roscoe--Jr
Moore---So
Jenkins--So
Moss----So
Leggett--Fr
Jolla-----So

Now to tell me that Roscoe, Moore older isn't a good thing, would be an understatement. I think Roscoe is one of the most underrated WR in the league. I think you guys didn't lose anything with the loss of Kevin Beard. I do think you miss Winslow big time, but like all teams, you lose quality talent fast in the NCAA.


Why? You've said yourself that FSU has a great defense. While he didn't make FSU's secondary look bad, they didn't exactly shut him down, either. He was 20/36 for 255yds. with 1TD/1int. I've said myself that Brock isn't great. I think he's "drastically improved". What about that makes me a "homer"? The numbers certainly agree with me.

As I said in an earlier post, his updated numbers are:
13 TDs
4 Ints.

If you don't think that's drastically better, you're expecting too much. What sort of numbers do you want him to put up in order to be drastically better?

He really made me think my position with the Wolfpack, but I think once he proves he can do that consistently, I'll just say his INT performances are better. He's doing better than last year, but how much worse can you be than last year?

StartingTailbak
10-28-2004, 09:43 PM
You see, coulda, shoulda, wouldas are lame. Miami owned FSU in that game. The stats show it, the scoreboard proves it. Miami moved the ball up and down the field all night. FSU showed great resilience(sp?) by keeping them out of the endzone. Doesn't change the fact that Miami handled them regularly.




I don't know about you but as I was watching that game I was confident that FSU would hold on for the win. A buddy of mine went to the airport to pick up his friend and when he came back he asked 'How much did FSU win by' and he is a Miami fan. I am not sure how you can say that the Canes moved the ball on FSU all night when the stats, which you promote so much, clearly state that FSU choked away a game they had in hand.

Again my original post had nothing to do with who is the better team. I simply posted in response to the assertion that Sexton would have had to have thrown all over the Canes to win. I have stated that in three posts now. How this turned into a manhood measuring contest is beyond me. I am done with this thread.

Ross
10-30-2004, 10:37 PM
How's that working for you these days?

Looks good.

You?

--Ross

papafin
11-05-2004, 07:15 AM
Looks good.

You are looking good. I cannot defend, nor explain that stinker the Canes threw out there versus UNC. Pathetic. Although I never really predicted the Canes to win the ACC, I feel obligated to dine on some crow (re: the rest of this thread). Tastes BAD! :)

Ross
11-12-2004, 01:26 PM
You are looking good. I cannot defend, nor explain that stinker the Canes threw out there versus UNC. Pathetic. Although I never really predicted the Canes to win the ACC, I feel obligated to dine on some crow (re: the rest of this thread). Tastes BAD! :)

Nice post.

See ya'll this saturday my man...

--Ross

papafin
11-13-2004, 01:01 AM
Sounds good. If we pull the upset (boy, that feels weird to say), I think it throws the ACC into about a 9-way tie for the lead. :tongue:

Ross
11-15-2004, 12:38 PM
Nice win for the Canes.

UVA doesn't belong at the top of this division. They have the talent, but they lack the confidence when they line up against the "big boys"

Maybe Uva can get a 3rd place finish...

papafin
11-15-2004, 08:57 PM
I think Groh got a little too cute early in the game. The interior (DT and MLB) of our defense is as soft as a baby's arse. He should've pounded us up the middle from the beginning. Everyone has had success with that. The other thing is that I think Hagans is not a good QB. When forced to throw, he turded himself all night. Even on the TD to Miller, only a circus catch bailed out an awful throw to a wide open man. If you guys have Schaub this year, you beat us (and maybe FSU). Oh, well. I am pulling for you guys against Technical ****** University, as it would help UM in tiebreak scenarios.

BTW...Heath Miller looks like a UM tight end (Franks, Shockey, Winslow). Guy's an absolute stud.

Ross
11-28-2004, 12:35 AM
UVA blew it big time this year. 4th place team...

Well I'll be rooting Va. Tech. next week.

--Ross

Rick 1966
11-28-2004, 10:25 AM
UVA blew it big time this year. 4th place team...

Well I'll be rooting Va. Tech. next week.

--Ross

Hope you have liquor handy. You'll need it.

Ross
12-09-2004, 01:01 AM
Yeah I needed it alright.