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Nublar7
09-25-2004, 11:32 PM
Well, the title explained it all. :)

Clumpy
09-26-2004, 01:00 AM
:confused: ;)


At this point, I project about $10 million. However, there are some variables:

1) How will the injuries affect the cap adjustment? Injured players do not earn all of their bonuses and/or incentives. This could lead to a cap credit on 2005 and give y'all more cap space

2) How will injuries impact roster? For example: Will Bowens and Boston be shown the door? Bowens is very likely IMO to be let go and Miami moves on with rebuilding the DL. Boston, while not likely, could be let go if new coaching staff or FO personnel are brought in.

3) The amount over is nothing to worry about as compared to prior seasons. Miami will not need to do as much as in previous off-season to become cap compliant. Chambers has a $5 million roster bonus, that when guaranteed, will become signing bonus and amortized over the remaining 5 yrs of his deal, thus saving $4 million on the 2005 cap and.....

4) QB situation: Fiedler has HUGE cap numbers in both '05 & '06. His status is in question. If Feeley can show enough development, I would suspect that Fiedler is released, saving $3-4 million. Miami would go out into FA and add a veteran #2 and most likely consider drafting a young QB

5) DB Freeman has a $3 million salary which will not happen

3 or 4 moves gets you to cap compliancy......much better cap situation than the past few years, but that's because Spielman bit the bullet and made more moves than many had anticipated.

Nublar7
09-27-2004, 01:24 AM
Thanks for the update Clumpy! :)

Aqua
10-02-2004, 12:17 AM
I just finished my 2005 Salary Cap page. It's still needs to be compared to Merman and Clap's but I expect it to be quite accurate.

Projected Cap- $89,841,465. 47 players under contract + 4 minimum salaries to equal 51 players.

Projected `05 cap- $84,000,000

Here are some potential savings.
Converting Chambers roster bonus into a signing bonus- $4M.

Cutting these players would save:
Surtain- $5.85M
D. Bowens- $1.6M
St.Clair- $1.1M
McIntosh- $1.2M
Fiedler- $4.6M
Freeman- $3M
Seau- $2.6M
Thompson- $1M
That's a total of $24.95M.
There shouldn't be a problem with the cap when we have to rebuild from Wannstedt's disaster.

Clumpy
10-02-2004, 12:23 AM
OMG!! It's an Aqua sighting :wave:

Clumpy
10-02-2004, 05:29 AM
I know, I know....consider the source

Whoever gets the job has a big mess to clean up. The Dolphins have over $99 million in salary cap room committed already for next year, which is much higher than the league average of $73.832 million. Plus, age is starting to creep in on the defense, the one good thing about this team

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7741349/2

Jimi
10-02-2004, 05:32 PM
I just finished my 2005 Salary Cap page. It's still needs to be compared to Merman and Clap's but I expect it to be quite accurate.

Projected Cap- $89,841,465. 47 players under contract + 4 minimum salaries to equal 51 players.

Projected `05 cap- $84,000,000

Here are some potential savings.
Converting Chambers roster bonus into a signing bonus- $4M.

Cutting these players would save:
Surtain- $5.85M
D. Bowens- $1.6M
St.Clair- $1.1M
McIntosh- $1.2M
Fiedler- $4.6M
Freeman- $3M
Seau- $2.6M
Thompson- $1M
That's a total of $24.95M.
There shouldn't be a problem with the cap when we have to rebuild from Wannstedt's disaster.No way we can release Surtain. That would be the dumbest thing this organazation could do. I REALLY dont wanna see him go, but if it happens, it better be thru trade. Also.....Seau leaving would be sad:cry: , but i can see it comming too.

Merman
10-02-2004, 06:04 PM
I just finished my 2005 Salary Cap page. It's still needs to be compared to Merman and Clap's but I expect it to be quite accurate.

Due to some computer problems I just today caught up with all the 2004 changes. It will take a little while before I weigh in with any 2005 numbers.
:lurking:

phunwin
10-04-2004, 06:46 AM
No way we can release Surtain. That would be the dumbest thing this organazation could do. I REALLY dont wanna see him go, but if it happens, it better be thru trade. Also.....Seau leaving would be sad:cry: , but i can see it comming too.

I don't think he's suggesting we release Surtain, only pointing out what would happen if we did. However, the fact that we can get about $18 million under without losing anyone really worthwhile is good news. I wouldn't mind Seau restructuring and coming back for one more year, but the rest of them (save Surtain, obviously, since we won't cut him) can hit the bricks.

Spielman's track record is checkered at best, right now, but his capology has at least set us up well for the future (almost makes up for giving up what looks like a top 35 pick for AJ Feeley).

Nublar7
10-05-2004, 11:19 PM
I know, I know....consider the source
Whoever gets the job has a big mess to clean up. The Dolphins have over $99 million in salary cap room committed already for next year, which is much higher than the league average of $73.832 million. Plus, age is starting to creep in on the defense, the one good thing about this team
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7741349/2Clumpy, are we really about $25 million over the cap next year?

Lights_Out
10-05-2004, 11:42 PM
Ears...Timbo.....freeman...peace out....seau restucture....surtain resign or franchise

Clumpy
10-06-2004, 12:49 AM
Clumpy, are we really about $25 million over the cap next year?


No...that $73+ million number is the average cap charges for all teams on next years cap. The estimated cap is about $84 million, so Miami is approx. $15 million over

Jaj
10-07-2004, 12:47 AM
Trading Surtain at the end of this season would be a smart move, much less penalty than Madison.

Ya the rest of them are good cuts.

Clumpy
10-07-2004, 02:22 AM
Trading Surtain, quite honestly makes sense IMO. Can Miami survive at CB with Madison, Howard, and Poole for another season? I believe y'all could. Add a vet FA or high draft choice as #4 CB.

Nublar7
10-08-2004, 01:27 AM
Trading Surtain, quite honestly makes sense IMO. Can Miami survive at CB with Madison, Howard, and Poole for another season? I believe y'all could. Add a vet FA or high draft choice as #4 CB.Poole I belive is going to become one of the rare Shut Down corners in the league. I think we should trade Surtain, have the two starters be Madison and Poole, keep Howard as the #3 corner and heck pick Buckley back up as the #4. Poole will be a starter for years to come. Now, we just have to find an eventual replacement for Madison.

Jaj
10-08-2004, 02:09 AM
Well Howard at worst is a decent #2 CB. We'll get our replacement eventually.

Hostile 17
10-18-2004, 03:51 AM
Are there any salary cap advantages to our interim head coach cutting both Howard and Fiedler in the next few weeks? Can we get any relief in advance of 2005?

Merman
10-18-2004, 09:57 PM
Are there any salary cap advantages to our interim head coach cutting both Howard and Fiedler in the next few weeks? Can we get any relief in advance of 2005?


No salary cap advantage. I didn't check but I think Howard is a vested veteran.
You can see the dead money figures here. Clump calls it dead cap.

http://www.finheaven.com/seasonal/salaries.php

tndeman2001
12-26-2004, 01:19 AM
i think we should trade trade trade in want hurt

tndeman2001
12-26-2004, 01:21 AM
ithink your right poole would be a good choice

cstu
01-04-2005, 05:42 AM
Any thoughts of trading Surtain and the #1 pick for James?

Muck
01-04-2005, 01:41 PM
None whatsoever.

Philter25
01-06-2005, 01:05 PM
Any thoughts of trading Surtain and the #1 pick for James? :lol:

Only when im REAAAAAAAAAAAAALLY high and have no idea what I am saying.

Rich22
01-06-2005, 02:45 PM
How come nobody has mentioned Zach as being traded or cut? I like the way he plays and has been a cornerstone of the D for years however he has been banged up quite a bit the last 2 years and it wasn't as if this D was dominant this year with him. When he was out this D played decent - with him or without him the run defense was pretty bad. He has a big cap # and it's time to start rebuilding this D with some youth. Also, I didn't think Zach's comments were very welcoming to Saban when he said the players today don't need any motivation ( I took it to reference a rah rah college guy). I disagree with Zach - ALL players perform better with extra motivation - ask Jimmy J or Parcells what they think about that. It's amazing how players perform better in contract years - everyone plays better when pushed and very few can push themselves to the point that coaches can't take it further. There has to be som etough calls on aging players with high salaries if we are to rebuild - you can't just say cut Jay and we're fine - some good guys will have to go and I'd say we can afford a hit at LB before some other positions.

MiamiFan1354
01-07-2005, 11:21 AM
Zach won't be going any where.. All I see hapening big is Fiedler cut or traded, Seau Cut or traded (or Retire) and Surtain cut or traded..

cstu
01-19-2005, 05:48 PM
:lol:

Only when im REAAAAAAAAAAAAALLY high and have no idea what I am saying.

Ok, how about this:

Edge
Colts' 2nd and 3rd round picks

for

Surtain
Dolphins #1

Comments?

RockinPhinfan
01-23-2005, 01:47 PM
Why give up the #2 pick in the draft and a good corner for a RB with some wear and tear on him when there is many other options in FA and the draft? Unless the colts do not franchise edge then it is doubtful that he is coming to miami.

Philter25
01-24-2005, 02:59 PM
Ok, how about this:

Edge
Colts' 2nd and 3rd round picks

for

Surtain
Dolphins #1

Comments?
He is a free agent, keyword FREE. Meaning if the Colts dont tag him, we can get him for FREE!

mfja9977
01-25-2005, 01:14 PM
Do you think that Boston is done in Miami?

Would be nice to see if he can produce #'s close to what he did a few years ago in AZ.

Epecially for the money that is making.:evil:

Baby Boy 69
02-08-2005, 10:25 AM
Hello everyone, this is my first time on the site and let me say I am very impressed with what I've read so far.. As for trading the our #2 for Edge and they're 2nd and 3rd is not a smart move. Edge has not run the ball with the same sense of purpose or intensity since coming back from his knee injury. Why not try to make a move for Alexander who has not had the injuries and is also younger than Edge?

PhinsTD
02-24-2005, 10:20 PM
It appears the Phins will be a very nice position against the cap this year as everyone on this board had the Fiedler numbers way off. (that's not a slam, I didn't even keep the numbers so I didn't have the chance to miss one)

We saved closerto 7 million than 4 million. That's close to 3 mil right there and will sign a guy by its self.

Miami needs to be smart this year and trim even more next year and be a player in 2007 again. I don't think we can realistically rebuild the team in one year.

Merman
02-25-2005, 07:06 AM
It appears the Phins will be a very nice position against the cap this year as everyone on this board had the Fiedler numbers way off. (that's not a slam, I didn't even keep the numbers so I didn't have the chance to miss one)

We saved closerto 7 million than 4 million. That's close to 3 mil right there and will sign a guy by its self.

Miami needs to be smart this year and trim even more next year and be a player in 2007 again. I don't think we can realistically rebuild the team in one year.

PhinsTD, no criticism of you but this is an old thread from September of last year. Which was too early to realistically talk about the New Year IMO.

At the time Fiedler's $2 million roster bonus was reported by most sources as being eliminated. It was eliminiated in 2004 but rescheduled to 2005 which only Jason Cole reported and not reported by other sources until January 2005. If you add the $2 million to the $4 million savings it's $6 million which is what we are talking about now.

http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/showthread.php?t=67003

nick1
02-25-2005, 08:48 AM
What does all this put us at? saving 4 mil on Chambers, 5 mil on cutting Fiedlier, 2.5 mil on Tim Bowens, 1.5 mil on cutting Jay Williams, 2-3 mil on cutting Freeman, and soon to be McIntosh and a Surtain trade. I think that just about makes us even with the things we already did