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Dolfan984
08-06-2002, 04:05 PM
http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/showthread.php?s=&postid=60100#post60100

http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/showthread.php?s=&postid=60102#post60102



His signature totally relates to what his other signature was all about. Only a person with that kind of beliefs would think of a signature like the one he had before. I am a person who rarely judges a person without talking to them personally, but I can tell that Clayton83 is a mindless drone who would most likely want to nuke everyone before settling it down. (Of course taking all the money out of companies that do not help big business and/or rich people) People like Clayton83 is exactly what this country DOES NOT need.

Kamikaze
08-06-2002, 04:26 PM
Well we have hit upon a touchy subject here at Finheaven, so allow me to inject my own comments into this debate.

The beautiful thing about the Constitution is that it allows people to say whatever they please. The intent of the First Amendment was to allow people to bring forth their ideas without being punished by the state. That's what democracy is all about. An unfortunate side effect of this is that we have to allow racism, or risk being called unfair. On Constitutional grounds Clayton83 has the right to say whatever he pleases, like it or loathe it. However this is a PRIVATE forum, and therefore AJ can force him to change his speech. There are other forums to which Clayton83 can go to spread his hate speech.

Personally, however, I would like to come up to Clayton and show him just what a liberal (or in my case, Socialist) can do to a person. I guarantee you his remains will need to be identified by DNA analysis. His speech is absolutely sickening. Have we not learned a DAMN thing about what racism does to a person? We fought a Civil War, we forced segregation, we lock up minorities in prisons for simply not being the correct shade of white. Racism has not, and will NEVER work. Human beings will NEVER break free from the dark clouds of war, greed, hatred, intolerance, fear, etc., until we learn to accept we're all HUMAN BEINGS and that we're all BROTHERS. I view the radical terrorists of the world in the same light as I do as our so-called "leaders" (including Bush). NONE of them are fighting for us, they're only fighting for their own selfish ends and brainwashing us to follow them. Clayton83 is one of the serverly brainwashed individuals holding back the liberation of the working class with his racist and nationalist rhetoric (which unfortunately is often repeated in mainstream media).

To conclude, don't let Clayton83 intimidate you. He is a clueless individual with a very basic view of how the world works. The fact he must resort to name-calling and violence is further proof of how little he knows. I say let him use whatever signature he wants. At least that way we can ALL identify him for the idiot that he is.

Peace. Love. Unity.

(And for any right-wing nuts who wish to call me some godless commie, feel free! I wear my atheist-socialist tag as a badge of honor. Your pathetic name calling and "facts" only make me and the working class movement stronger.)

Dolfan984
08-06-2002, 04:47 PM
Well, what both Clayton's signatures both represent many of the ultra conservative views of this country. Many ultra conservatives like Clayton83 would rather fling out racist names than to think and talk about exactly what happened. Yes, we all want to stop the terrorists, but in all reality, most Muslims would rather be left alone. Only a select percentage (Most likely the more conservative types of that government) of the 'towel wearers' (What you call them Clayton83) were responsible for the September 11th attacks.

Clayton83, even though you are a conservative bastard and a racist, you have the right to speak your mind. Go ahead and keep the signature, but it shows just how scewed your mind is.

In my opinion, our country would be better without people like you.

iceblizzard69
08-06-2002, 06:11 PM
I am not a Liberal or Conservative, but Clayton is an embarrasment. People are mad at him because he had a racist signature, and now he just looks like a complete moron. It is an embarrasment that people like him exist, people who hate others simply because of their religion. It is disgusting. I have different beliefs in who is right and wrong in wars but I respect all races, nationalities, and religions, even though I don't respect all governments and all leaders.

ohall
08-06-2002, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by Dolfan984
Well, what both Clayton's signatures both represent many of the ultra conservative views of this country. Many ultra conservatives like Clayton83 would rather fling out racist names than to think and talk about exactly what happened. Yes, we all want to stop the terrorists, but in all reality, most Muslims would rather be left alone. Only a select percentage (Most likely the more conservative types of that government) of the 'towel wearers' (What you call them Clayton83) were responsible for the September 11th attacks.

Clayton83, even though you are a conservative bastard and a racist, you have the right to speak your mind. Go ahead and keep the signature, but it shows just how scewed your mind is.

In my opinion, our country would be better without people like you.

... that he is a liberal looking to give concervatives a bad name?

There are very concervatives that would say what Clayton is saying. If he is a concervative, he's giving us real concervatives a bad name.

Oliver...

Kamikaze
08-06-2002, 06:26 PM
Clayton83 is not a liberal. He is as conservative as they come. His remarks are Nazi BS, and we all know that Nazi Germany was one of the most conservative governments in the history of man. If you don't believe me open up a history book and look for yourself.

Dolfan984
08-06-2002, 06:30 PM
I called him an ultra conservative. Not all conservatives are that twisted :)

Dolfan984
08-06-2002, 06:31 PM
"His remarks are Nazi BS, and we all know that Nazi Germany was one of the most conservative governments in the history of man"


VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY true.

iceblizzard69
08-06-2002, 07:05 PM
Nazi Germany was just horrible. I don't know the right name for it, but I don't think it is ultra conservative. John Ashcorft is ultra conservative. He is the only member of Bush's cabinet that I don't like because he is way too extreme.

Dolfan984
08-06-2002, 07:31 PM
Hitler had a lot of beliefs that many ultra conservatives agree with. Many ultra conservatives are very racist.