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miamirw
10-30-2004, 02:25 PM
Watching Kyle Orton for the first time against a very bad Northwestern team and he looks awful. Couple interceptions and he's just been benched - though in fairness to Orton they say he's got a slight hip problem.

This guy is not a first round QB in my opinion. Maybe it's just one bad game, but the other thing they were saying about him is that he hardly ever throws deep. It's mainly short slants and screens and quick hitches or outs which allow the receivers to gain much of the yardage. Can anyone confirm this?

We'll get another chance to see Aaron Rodgers later tonight when Cal plays Arizona state. Other thatn Rodger and Leinert though, I don't see a top ten let alone first round pick out there.

Nicky Napoleon
10-30-2004, 02:34 PM
Orton got benched for poor play against the 86th ranked pass defense. He is like 15 for 38 for 160 and change with a TD, INT, and Fumble. There is definately something off but you have to be able to play through the pain in the NFL. They just reported it was a hip pointer.

SECfootball
10-30-2004, 02:38 PM
Is it really windy or has this kicking just been horrible?


And yes, Orton is looking really bad against this D. It seems he's cooled down after the past couple games.

Zeke0123
10-30-2004, 02:38 PM
Hackney is the future :) ....well actually I have no clue who is good or isnt I have to wait for the combine to get a feel for who I like... but that Hackney Kid did impress me with his arm strength and Fullback like running style :eek:

sports24/7
10-30-2004, 03:40 PM
You happened to see him in his worst game. I still think this guy is a good QB. There are a few guys I would take ahead of him, but I still think he will be a fine QB.

Shamboubou
10-30-2004, 03:47 PM
He wasnt benched for poor play, he was benched because Tiller was changing game stratagies. The wind was horrible today and passing was tough so they put in the other QB that is a better runner than Orton. He didnt look good today by any means though, but he is still a good QB.

I also really dont think a whole lot of the college stats and stuff go into choosing a QB, I think its a lot of what they do at the combine, I know that college stats have some to do with it, but the combine is where you really get to make a name for yourself.

Phinsdude
10-30-2004, 03:54 PM
I disagree with Leinhart. He is a good college quarterback, I honestly don't see him as a top 10 pick, or even a first round pick. I like Jason White, personally. I mean, if you look at value, the guy can be had for a middle round pick. He's never mentioned about Quarterbacks coming out, but he is a winner, he is passionate about the game, he's a leader, he's smart, got a good arm, and still, after the ACL injuries, is more mobile then Feeley. I feel that we use our first, to trade down, stock up on picks, and load up. With extra picks, we get a QB. If Orton continues to stuggle, who knows where he will drop to. He is still a good qb. Going 17 TD's to 0 INT's is not luck. We have to be ready in all rounds, for value picks, because this team has a lot of holes due to horrible drafting. You look at impact draft picks over the past 4 years, and I see Mcmicheal, Chambers, Greenwood, and that's it. That's sad, really sad.

GCD960
10-30-2004, 03:54 PM
Hackney is the future :) ....well actually I have no clue who is good or isnt I have to wait for the combine to get a feel for who I like... but that Hackney Kid did impress me with his arm strength and Fullback like running style :eek:


Looks good i think but he gets hurt alot

prob cause he thinks hes a mack truck
he jsut runs into people

he got a gun to

pretty acurate for a huge guy

MarinoEqualsGod
10-30-2004, 03:56 PM
Yeah, Orton looked horrible today. Even if they took him out bc of switching game strategies, it doesn't say much for him that Tiller didn't put him back in on the final drive when all they needed was a FG. I used to be high on the kid, but now he's off my list. He hasn't played well the past three or four games. (at least not as well as earlier this year)

Nicky Napoleon
10-30-2004, 04:24 PM
Three games ago Orton was one of the front runners for the heisman, and now he's been benched because of wind?!?! I really dont wanna hear the "changing game plan" reason. If you are a great QB which is what some think Orton is, you are NEVER pulled out of a game. Now I know Ill hear the "hip pointer" excuse, but thats just what it is an excuse. Do you really want a QB that cant play through pain? Come on the NFL is all about playing through pain. This wasnt Orton's 1st bad game either, he hasnt looked very good in their last 3 games. By the way he only through for 130 yards, 1TD, 1INT, and 1 fumble. Thats Fiedler type numbers against the 86th ranked pass defense in division 1.

sports24/7
10-30-2004, 04:30 PM
I disagree with Leinhart. He is a good college quarterback, I honestly don't see him as a top 10 pick, or even a first round pick. I like Jason White, personally. I mean, if you look at value, the guy can be had for a middle round pick. He's never mentioned about Quarterbacks coming out, but he is a winner, he is passionate about the game, he's a leader, he's smart, got a good arm, and still, after the ACL injuries, is more mobile then Feeley. I feel that we use our first, to trade down, stock up on picks, and load up. With extra picks, we get a QB. If Orton continues to stuggle, who knows where he will drop to. He is still a good qb. Going 17 TD's to 0 INT's is not luck. We have to be ready in all rounds, for value picks, because this team has a lot of holes due to horrible drafting. You look at impact draft picks over the past 4 years, and I see Mcmicheal, Chambers, Greenwood, and that's it. That's sad, really sad.
I still think Leinart is a good QB. I don't think he will be picked before Rogers, but Leinert is a VERY accurate QB who will win games. He may not have great arm strength, or great athleticism, but he can move the ball. He is too accurate not to go in round 1, and will probably be a top 10 pick. I definitely don't want Miami to pick White. He is another good college QB in a great system that won't make it in the NFL. White will proably go in the late rounds, but only because of his success in college, much like Josh Hyupel.

KillerBeez
10-30-2004, 04:51 PM
Check out some of the QB's the MAC seems to be producing as of late.

MARLINSFAN305
10-30-2004, 05:04 PM
Sleeper: Stefan Lafors of Lousiville. Has played great all season but really showed up to play a UM team which is as close to playing an NFl team as you can in college football. He is short (6'0") but showed that his height wasnt a factor throwing over UM's tall offensive line.

sphincter
10-30-2004, 05:08 PM
Three games ago Orton was one of the front runners for the heisman, and now he's been benched because of wind?!?! I really dont wanna hear the "changing game plan" reason. If you are a great QB which is what some think Orton is, you are NEVER pulled out of a game. Now I know Ill hear the "hip pointer" excuse, but thats just what it is an excuse. Do you really want a QB that cant play through pain? Come on the NFL is all about playing through pain. This wasnt Orton's 1st bad game either, he hasnt looked very good in their last 3 games. By the way he only through for 130 yards, 1TD, 1INT, and 1 fumble. Thats Fiedler type numbers against the 86th ranked pass defense in division 1.Not defending the guy, but they had the same wind we had here last night and it was wicked. My Iowa hawks played Ill. today and the wind was bad there also, one punt in the hawk game was 80 yards.

Phinsdude
10-30-2004, 05:34 PM
I think White is much better the Josh Heupal, much better. Also, I think he can be a good QB, because he's got good arm strength, and got the intangibles. I also say my fav QB coming out is Lefors. I like the kid, and I like his backround. He's a guy I would love to draft.

PS, there are some good RB's coming out next year. Maybe not even first, though Cedric Benson is my favorite back, but there are some good backs. Last thing, How nice would it be to see Adrien Peterson be able to come out, and we get a shot at him. Oh well, Nice thought. The dude is sick.

Kistner10
10-30-2004, 08:35 PM
I think Leinart is going to be a star. His arm strength is comparable to David Carr so he's got above average arm strength. He's accurate and knows how to win games. I hope the Dolphins can draft him. I think he's going to be great.
The only 2 quarterbacks I like this year are Leinart and Rodgers. Orton doesn't impress me. All the other QB's don't look that great either. If we can't get Leinart or Rodgers than I'd say we should just sign a vetran.

LIQUID24
10-30-2004, 10:15 PM
He wasnt benched for poor play, he was benched because Tiller was changing game stratagies. The wind was horrible today and passing was tough so they put in the other QB that is a better runner than Orton. He didnt look good today by any means though, but he is still a good QB.

Then why didn't they put him back in for the final drive? It's not like they were going to run. Orton sucks.

NeilMags
10-31-2004, 02:12 AM
I agree with the LeFors sentiment. I saw him shred my Tarheels earlier this year. He's a good, tough college QB. Not sure if he has an NFL-caliber skill set, but we could likely get him for a mid-round pick and spend our first rounder on a top OT (Barron), DT (Hawthorne), or RB (Benson, Williams).

Truly, I think we should get a more seasoned QB like Kitna through free agency....

saves
10-31-2004, 04:04 AM
You happened to see him in his worst game. I still think this guy is a good QB. There are a few guys I would take ahead of him, but I still think he will be a fine QB.
I saw his past 3 games, not impressed one bit.

saves
10-31-2004, 04:06 AM
Check out some of the QB's the MAC seems to be producing as of late.
Toledo has a senior that is pretty damn good. Very accurate but more of a pure pocket guy. His name slips my mind right now. Bowling Green has a big armed, mobile guy who's leading the 4th ranked offense right now but he wont eligible till next year.

XXXSURTAINXXX
10-31-2004, 05:42 AM
2 words.

David Greene

Kistner10
10-31-2004, 02:43 PM
I'm not a big Greene or Orton fan. I think Orton is more of a system QB and he looked terrible yesterday. Greene is very inconsistant on the college level so I dont see him becoming an above average QB on the pro level.

Aqua
10-31-2004, 02:58 PM
If anybody thinks we're drafting a QB in the first round is sadly mistaken. Leinart and Rodgers are the only two first round possibilities and both have some question marks. If these two were in last years draft neither would have seen the top 32.

Phishstix
10-31-2004, 04:05 PM
imo the team can't pass up the opportunity to get a young franchise guy. rodgers and lienart are both top ten guys, but there is a huge drop-off after that. i'm not sure if the f.o. will draft a qb, but this pick needs to be an impact player- and the only types of positions worthy of top 5 consideration are a qb, a wr, a left tackle, a d tackle, and a cb. we don't need a cb and a wr would help, but a dt, ot, and qb are huge needs. both are expensive f.a. positions so drafting these positions would be more affordable. the question again is rather or not the franchise pass up a rare opportunity to draft a sure-fire qb prospect?

Philter25
11-01-2004, 05:10 PM
Just wanted to say that I called Orton a fluke weeks ago when they were 4-0 when everyone here was up on his junk..... hes not NFL material


Leinart and Rodgers are the only QB's worth a 1st rounder and they even are not that super lookin.