View Full Version : Channing Crowder going pro

01-06-2005, 12:42 AM
He'll be the 2nd LB off the board & a probable top 15 pick. Urban is gonna pretty much have to start over with stars since Fason & Crowder are leaving.

01-06-2005, 04:07 PM
Meyer still has Chris Leak who seems to get better by the snap (except when he played Miami ;))!

01-06-2005, 09:35 PM
He's getting better but he's gonna need Andre Caldwell, Chad Jackson, & Deshawn Wynn to step it up considerably.

01-17-2005, 09:42 AM
Don't forget Dallas Baker, Tate Casey, and Skylar Thornton. I think Brandon Siler will fill in for Crowder nicely.

They have the talent there already, and now they finally have the coaching as well. should be interesting to see how it comes together.

01-17-2005, 06:23 PM
As a Notre Dame fan I'm hoping Meyer falls flat on his face. Nothing against UF but you understand :)

01-18-2005, 02:01 AM
As a Notre Dame fan I'm hoping Meyer falls flat on his face. Nothing against UF but you understand :)

I'm glad ND didn't get Meyer. ND wouldn't be the same with the high school spread offense BS.

01-18-2005, 05:37 AM
I'm glad ND didn't get Meyer. ND wouldn't be the same with the high school spread offense BS.
It all worked out, I really like the Charlie Weis hire. Hopefully it hurts NE in the long run also

01-18-2005, 10:18 AM
Consensus Draft Services has Channing ranked 5th best player in the country, ONE SPOT AHEAD OF JOHNSON--and we're taking some heat for it. I'll try to post the entire LB rankings later. Meanwhile, you may want to visit the "Arguing over the Pro Prospects" thread over there and chime in on the Crowder v. Derrick Johnson debate.

01-18-2005, 10:29 AM
Middle Linebackers for the 2005 Draft
-Seniors and declared underclassmen

Analysis: This is a pretty deep group of inside linebackers with a lot of abilty to be outstanding NFL players. Leroy Hill is very talented but right now the position he will play looks a little cloudy. He might be too small for middle linebacker. Crowder is a special talent.

1. Channing Crowder, 6-2 245, Soph*, Florida
Crowder is an elite linebacker, with size, speed, toughness and pedigree, as the son of former NFL player. His father Randy was an All-America tackle at Penn State and played for the Miami Dolphins and Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He's (Channing) 20 years old and draft eligible* having spent a year out of football working as a car washer enrolling late while recovering from a torn ACL suffered in his high school senior year. When it was finally his time to get on the field, he was suspended for the San Jose State opener because of misdemeanor battery charges. When he got a chance to play in 2003 he tore up Gator opponents as one of the SEC's best linebackers making 106 tackles only playing in 11 of the team's 13 games. Crowder was named to The Sporting News All-Freshman team, the Rivals All-America team, the Scripps/FWAA All-America team, Second-Team All-SEC (Coaches), and was dubbed The Sporting News SEC Defensive Freshman of the Year. Crowder was having an awesome 2004 season, but on 30 October 2004, in a 31-24 loss to Georgia he left the game on crutches and a cast covering his right foot, but the Gators can look forward to having their leading tackler back on the field for their bowl game. Even though he only played in 7 games this year (2004), he still finished with 69 total tackles, 2 sacks and 1 INT. Will his past legal problems and injuries haunt him in the NFL Draft? Maybe, but when he is on the field there is no questioning his ability.

2. Barrett Ruud, 6-2 243, SR, Nebraska
A great, physical all-around player who stops the run well and makes big plays in the backfield. Selected as second team All-American from Phil Steele’s 2004 College Football Review. Very experienced 3-year starter, recorded 149 tackles and 14.5 tackles for loss last year (2003). Ruud is one of the best tacklers in college football and a great run plugger. He is very under rated and should climb up a lot of draft boards with good post season workouts. A virtual tackling machine, great insticts and determination, he finished the 2004 regular season ranked 7th in the entire country in total tackles with 125.

3. Odell Thurman, 6-1 225, JR, Georgia
Odell is a little under sized and he is only a junior but boy is this guy talented. He recorded 121 tackles last year with 18 tackles for loss. He was a first-team All-SEC selection last year and this year he is first team SEC and a Street & Smith’s and Walter Camp Football foundation honorable mention All-American. Odell is very quick and has excellent diagnostic skills. Odell hits like a ton of bricks and should hear his name called early in the 2005 Draft.

4. Kirk Morrison, 6-3 240, SR, San Diego State
Very hard hitter and excellent tackler. After redshirting his freshman season, he came on like a gang buster. He finish second on the team with 69 tackles, and he's been best defensive player on his team ever since. He has registered an amazing 281 career stops, 31 tackles for loss, five interceptions. He was a First-Team CFN All-America selection in 2003 and a Mountain West Defensive Player of the Year. He would've been a high round draft pick if he had decided to come out last year. Had a great senior campaign, finished with a whopping 72 solo tackles and cemented his position as an elite NFL prospect.

5. Lance Mitchell, 6-3 247, SR, Oklahoma
Lance was by far the best middle linebacker in the nation heading into the 2003 season but suffered a devastating knee injury (tore ACL) and missed the entire year. Lance has all the skills you could ever want, he has prototype size and speed and he is an incredible athlete. He played linebacker and running back in high school, he had one game in high school where he ran for 250 yards and six touchdowns with only 12 attempts! He rushed for more than 3,000 yards as a senior (9.6 yards per carry) and 36 touchdowns. He started out in Junior College and was a first team juco All-American, he recorded 80 tackles, and five sacks, one interception and one fumble return for a touchdown as a sophomore. Oh he is used to winning, he led his juco team to a 24-0 mark during his career with two California state junior college titles and a pair of JC Gridwire national championships. That means he has only lost 3 games since high school. He originally signed with Florida and was attending classes there when it was learned that Southeastern Conference rules would not allow him to participate and subsequently transferred to Oklahoma where he just tore up the NCAA. As a sophomore in 2002 he was voted All-America second team (CNNSI), Big 12 Newcomer of the Year (ESPN), All-Big 12 second team (Kansas City Star, Fort Worth Star-Telegram), All-Big 12 honorable mention (AP), consensus Big 12 Defensive Newcomer of the Year. He produced on the field and led his team in tackles with 124; he had more solo (87) and assisted (37) tackles than any other Sooner and was the team leader in tackles for loss with 19 for 46 yards. Lance recorded the seventh best TFL total for a season at OU and equals the highest total ever for a Sooner linebacker. He led the team with four fumbles forced and had more tackles than any junior college transfer in OU history (bettered the 97 posted by Torrance Marshall). All this and he only played one year! OK I will say it now, if Lance returns to pre injury form he will be a top 15 selection in the 2005 NFL Draft.

6. LeRoy Hill, 6-1, 220, SR, Clemson
7. Alfred Fincher, 601 240, SR, Connecticut
8. Boomer Grigsby, 6-1 241, SR, Illinois State
9. Mike Goolsby, 6-4 248, SR Notre Dame
10. Liam Ezekiel, 6-1 252, Northeastern
11. James Kinney, 6-1 240, SR, Missouri

Best of the rest
Adam Seward-UNLV
Robert Rodriguez-UTEP
Justin London-UCLA
Lionel Turner-LSU
Pierre Woods-Michigan
Justin Burks, Arizona St.
Nigel Eldridge, UAB
Travis Havner (Jr.), Washington
Martin Patterson, TCU
Robert McCune, Lousiville
Godwin Akinduro, UTEP
David Bergeron, Stanford
Lance Everson, Houston
Marquelle Stinson, Arizona

Sources: Consensus Draft Services (used w/permission)

01-18-2005, 10:35 AM
Outside Linebackers for the 2005 Draft
-Seniors and declared underclassmen

Analysis: A decent year for linebackers with good depth. The verdict is mixed on most of these guys, but Derrick Johnson is a rare athlete, but might get pushed around a little in the NFL. They all have there strengths and weaknesses with kind of a mixed bag.

1. LB Derrick Johnson, 6-4, 230, Texas
As a 2002 first-team All-Big 12 selection, Johnson led the Longhorns in tackles (108), solo tackles (71), tackles for loss (17), fumble recoveries (3) and has two sacks, seven pass breakups and caused a fumble. His four interceptions in 2003 are a UT season record for linebackers while his eight career picks also are a Longhorn linebacker best, so he is obviously good in coverage. Don’t think he can’t tackle, he lead his team in tackles last year with 125 and 78 solo tackles. At 6' 4" and 220 pounds he has ideal height with frame to easily add more muscle, which he will need to add to be effective in the NFL. He was smart to come back for his senior year. Johnson has created a lot of fumbles with his patented strip move but he hasn't dominated games tackling. He was a non factor in Texas's bowl game against Michigan.

2. LB Kevin Burnett, 6-3, 237, SR, Tennessee
Maybe the best player to come from the Volunteer state since Payton Manning. In 2003 Kevin was first team All-ACC and American Football Coaches Association AFCA Good Works Team. Kevin underwent reconstructive left knee surgery in October 2002 but made it back strong in 2003. In the season opener against Fresno State, he recorded six tackles, including a TFL on his first play. He finished the regular season ranked fourth on the team in tackles with 83. Kevin has prototype size and speed had another awsome season this year (2004), he finished ranked 3rd in the nation in solo tackles with 86 and 2nd in the nation in total tackles with 104, he also recorded 1 sack and 1 INT..

3. LB Daryl Blackstock, 6-4 235, JR, Virginia
Underclassmen like Darryl will play a huge part in the 2005 NFL draft. Blackstock became a star in his freshman season as he led the nation's freshmen with 10 sacks and 14 tackles for loss. He finished the season with 107 tackles and set an ACC record for most sacks by a freshman. As a true freshman from Newport News, Virginia, Rivals and CollegeFootballnews named him national defensive rookie of the year. He has the frame to get even bigger. In 2003 he was used more in a traditional linebackers role and he didn’t rush the passer as much, but he still had a productive year. He recorded 50 solo tackles and 35 assists with a marvelous 16 tackles for loss and 4 sacks. Subsequently, Blackstock was named 2003 ACC-All Conference (honorable mention). He is a supreme pass rushing linebacker and perfect for a 34 defense. He is very young and a converted defensive end so he needs to improve on play recognition and in pass coverage.

4. LB Rian Wallace, 6-4, 245, SR, Temple
No problem with size here, an unknown from Temple but he will rock your world. Wallace drew national attention in 2003 recording 148 tackles (97 solo), 19.5 tackles for loss, one sack, six broken up passes and two fumble recoveries. Wallace is a supreme linebacker stuck on a poor team that rarely plays on national TV. But if you're looking for a future NFL star Wallace is your man. Rian is very versatile and can play inside or out. He should be a finalist for the Butkus Award and on most preseason All-America teams. He has the size and speed ratio that NFL scouts look for, and is able to shed blocks as well as the best of them. He's a great pass rusher, has fine instincts and is a scrappy brawler. He usually has some blood and grass sticking on his helmet by the end of a game. Rian needs work on improving his pass coverage; he is decent in zone, but struggles in man to man coverage. Rian won’t play in the spotlight this year but could develop into one of the top 5 linebackers in the nation.

5. LB Michael Boley, 6-3, 225, SR, Southern Miss
The two-time First-Team All-Conference USA selection finished with 154 tackles and a team-leading 11 sacks for the Golden Eagles this past season. He has to be commended for coming back to Southern Miss for his final season, many thought he would declare for the NFL draft as a junior last year. Named as preseason first team All-American by Athlon Sports and Lyndy”s, he should be a Butkis award candidate this year. However, there is a chance Boley might be moved to strong safety in the NFL. Boley reminds me of Michael Boulware who played OLB for Florida State, was drafted by Seattle and is now being asked to play SS. If Boley continues to get stronger he could easily be a first round draft pick in the 2005 draft, but will being a tweener hurt his stock?

6. LB Marcus Lawrence, 6-3 236, SR, South Carolina
7. LB Pat Thomas, 6-2 230, SR, NC State
8. LB DeMarco Ryans, 6-2 225, SR, Alabama
9. LB/DE Jonathan Goodard, 6-0 245, SR, Marshall

Best of the rest
Matt Grootegoed-USC
Matt Sinclair-Illinois
Zach Woodfin-UAB
Wendell Hunter-California
Derek Wake-Penn State
Maurice Lloyd, U Conn
Andy Avalos, Boise State
Jonathan Pollard, Oregon St.
Travis Harris, Florida
Brandon Hoyte, Notre Dame
Jared Newberry, Stanford
Dale Robinson, Arizona St.
Nick Speegle, New Mexico
Byron Santiago, LA Tech

Sources: Consensus Draft Services (used w/permission)

01-18-2005, 10:36 AM
I'd appreciate any feedback on this Derrick Johnson v. Channing Crowder debate you guys may want to give me. Thanks in advance...