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Dajesus
09-07-2002, 10:18 PM
Took a major hit tonight. Dorsey and Grossman were thought to be right after Leftwitch and Ragone, but still top 15 draft material, but i would have to think that changed big time tonight. Dorsey does not have a pretty pass, and makes many bad descions. He reminded me alot of Vinny T when he was at UM. One pass he looks like a superstar, and the next he looks like Ryan Leaf. He also needs to work on putting touch on his passes when need be, and he looked horible when he had to move out of the pocket. On the postive he has great pocket awareness and pressence. Grossman just can't leave UF early, and I hope he realizes that before the season is over. I can't name all his flaws, but mainly it is just lack of expeirence. Although i think Grossman could go in the first round in 2004 i could not justify taking either of these QBs before the 3rd round in 2003.

The Beach Bum
09-07-2002, 10:44 PM
thats a little dramatic, dorsey is 28-1 as a starter and threw 4 tds tonight even though those few bad passes.... you really know how to make things negative......

FinHeavenAJ
09-07-2002, 10:58 PM
Like every quarterback, they are allowed to have a bad game... fourtunately, he won... no, we KICKED ASS!

Dajesus
09-07-2002, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by Dol_Fan5434
thats a little dramatic, dorsey is 28-1 as a starter and threw 4 tds tonight even though those few bad passes.... you really know how to make things negative......

Negative! I didn't realize this was a Hurricane homer site as well as a homer dolphin site. When did negative and truthfull get all mixed up and smushed together to mean one thing at this web site? If you could honestly look at his performance tonight and say he is ready for the NFL your knowledge of football is not very strong. He seems to have a quark in his delivery that is why about half his passes tend to look more like ducks then spirals. The other thing that stuck out like a sore thumb tonight was he made some bad descions under preasure, it was something Dorsey has not dealt with before tonight and many were very curious how he would react. Players like Harrington and Carr who get first round grades don't have these glarring weaknesses, and are closer to being ready to deal with the much quicker NFL. If you think i am being negative, and have no idea what i am talking about please go to espn.com and ask any of their experts in their weekly chats if i was off base in my comments.

wood
09-07-2002, 11:11 PM
sorry fellas but i have to agree with Dajesus on this, they both looked suspect tonight. Go Dolphins

MDFINFAN
09-07-2002, 11:23 PM
Sorry Fellas..this is only their 2nd games of the season and first major one of the year..the nfl has preseason to get sharp. in college the games are preseason..later both these guys will be sharp and you'll forget all about this game..they weren't great tonight...but as the season go by and about the 4th game you will see a difference.

rafael
09-07-2002, 11:59 PM
Dorsey was never a likely 1st round pick, nothing he did tonight changed that. Grossman was a likely 1st round pick, if he comes out after early he still goes in the first. The idea that Grossman would go in the third if he comes out early is ridiculous.

Dajesus
09-08-2002, 12:43 AM
almost as ridiculous as the Grossman that played tonight would consider leaving early. Honestly if he doens't improve greatly he would not get a first round grade, and you have to remember he is a smaller prospect at 6'1'', witch will put more preasure on him to be that much better than everyone else. This is a make or break season for both qbs due to alot of talent on both offenses playing in the nfl now. Look at Drew Brees he graded very high in pocket pressence, awareness, accuracy, and fairly high at arm strength but his height at 6' kept him from going in round 1.

Dajesus
09-08-2002, 12:46 AM
PS he has to more games that the pros will look at when gradeing him, Tenn and Fla St. He has to get a lot better in both of those games to even have a shot at the first round. And by the way Dorsey was one of 3 senior qbs that had a preseason grade of a 6 by the scouts(article was in espn i posted it here a few months ago.) 6 is usually the grade needed to be a 1st round qb. Brees's final grade was a 5.89.

dolphinators13
09-08-2002, 02:00 AM
984, He is 21-1 as a starter mainly because of all the great talent around him. And that is why Jay Fiedler is 22-10 as a started, great talent around him. 4 td passes, you forgot to mention the 3 INTs. With every Qb including Jay you base their talent on win record. Dorsey had a bad game just admit it.

dolfan06
09-08-2002, 02:13 AM
these are preseason games for the college's, warm ups before they start conference!

Dajesus
09-08-2002, 03:55 AM
Originally posted by dolfan06
these are preseason games for the college's, warm ups before they start conference!

That is a cop out! He had spring practice, 4 weeks of two a days and last week to warm up. An NFL player only sees more than 2 series in 1 preseason game just like Dorsey got last week.

inFINSible
09-08-2002, 12:52 PM
My observations in the game were that Dorsey had alot more open receivers and time to throw. Jerome McDougal, the DE for Miami, was all over Grossman the whole game. He was throwing the timing off on nearly every play, making Grossman throw before he wanted to and to receivers that were being blanketed by Miami's DBs. Between McDougal and the canes DBs, I bet there is not a QB in college that would have looked any better than Grossman did last night.

Dajesus
09-11-2002, 03:28 AM
Originally posted by inFINSible
My observations in the game were that Dorsey had alot more open receivers and time to throw. Jerome McDougal, the DE for Miami, was all over Grossman the whole game. He was throwing the timing off on nearly every play, making Grossman throw before he wanted to and to receivers that were being blanketed by Miami's DBs. Between McDougal and the canes DBs, I bet there is not a QB in college that would have looked any better than Grossman did last night.

The Canes were in the backfeild, but Grossman was hanging on the ball to long to let the 3 to 4 UM pass rushers to get in his face. A NFL QB has to deal with preasure almost every play, and has to learn to get rid of the ball in 3 seconds. I don't think Rex won't get there, but if i was his future agent i would tell him to stay for his senior year.

inFINSible
09-11-2002, 04:37 PM
How is he supposed to get rid of the ball quickly when his receivers are being blanketed.....I never saw a pass all day where a Florida receiver was running free from coverage....He had to hang onto the ball to see if someone could work free....He couldn't throw it away EVERY play.....
Anyway....you can blame the loss on alot of things but Grossman wasn't one of them.....He was tough and he stood in there as long as he could....I know he started to short arm his throws later in the game but give the man some credit for playing hard even from the eye of the hurricane that was engulfing him.....
Like I said in my original statement ...there isn't a college QB in the country that would have looked any better than Grossman against the Canes on Saturday.

Dajesus
09-12-2002, 12:10 AM
By no means do I think Rex should be blamed for the loss, the better team won. This thread is about Rex making the jump to the NFL. An NFL defense is 20 times harder to play than the game he had last Sat. Wrs are always covered and their is always a d-lineman in your face. You watch tape of players like Carr, Harrington, Peyton Manning, and Tim Couch from college and they just don't lock on WRs nor do they short arm passes or shy away from contact.

inFINSible
09-12-2002, 01:07 PM
We'll see what happens in this new system....If he puts up numbers similar to last season..... then he will be worthy of a first round grade just for showing that he is not just another product of Spurrier's system....if he plays like he did against Miami for the rest of the season then, you're right, he needs to look for a job bagging groceries somewhere but I don't think you can say he's not ready off of this one performance. Even in the NFL, it will be rare when he is treated as roughly as he was against the Canes.

Dajesus
09-12-2002, 02:53 PM
I am not trying to bust your balls infinsable i just like that someone is actully active in this forum. I think Rex has the talent for the NFL, but i think he should do himself a favor and stay for his senior year.

inFINSible
09-12-2002, 04:12 PM
LOL.....not to worry...I'm thick skinned anyway......i just think that grossman has shown too much to dismiss him off that one performance.....You may be right though....we'll see. :D

SMadison29
09-16-2002, 01:04 AM
Leftwich was always #1 of this QB class with Grossman a close #2, well it's obvious he's fallen off a bit, so far that he's now behind Ragone. Dorsey was never a first round prospect, his lacks the arm strength. The wildcards of the class are Chris Simms & Carson Palmer, they could go in the 1st, or fall to the 4th. I like Palmer more than the others, but you dont hear much about him because he plays for USC & has had few weapons in his years there.

Grossman, Manning, Clausen, & Rivers should all stay in college.

inFINSible
09-16-2002, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by SMadison29

Grossman, Manning, Clausen, & Rivers should all stay in college.

That would make the 2004 class as good or better than the 2003 class.....which would be perfect for us since it would give us a chance to really evaluate Rosenfels at the same time we prepare to defend our Championship in 2003 ( ;) ).....then if things don't look good with Sage we can try to land one of the decent QB prospects with our 1st round draft pick in 2004 instead of a 2nd in 2003.....
Key: Fiedler continuing to play well.....that almost goes without saying but we have a ...

Wildcard: If Sage shows that he's all Fiedler is and with a stronger arm....we already have our QB of the future.

This is not just a dream either, there are a few around the league that think Superior gave up the wrong guy.....so he could actually pan out.

inFINSible
09-24-2002, 03:42 PM
I guess Grossman showed a little more worth in the Tennessee game.....;)

Dajesus
09-25-2002, 01:12 AM
Dispite a win i still saw Rex makeing the same mistakes. He locks on to his wrs and he feels the hit before it happens making him short arm balls, throw off his back foot, or not follow thru. Right now the whole class seemed to be overated comming in to the year, but we will see during the senior games and combine.