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OhioPhin
03-09-2005, 01:28 PM
I couldn't find this posted, but Pats WR Patten signed with the Redskins!!!! :roflmao: Its going to be fun watching them fall apart this year!!!

bigmiamifan
03-09-2005, 01:31 PM
Well, since they are system based, I don't think they'll fall apart per say, more like just not win another SB. They can pick up some FAs and help thru the draft and they'll be fine. Much like us, Saban will build and rebuild in the same manner.

FIN-IN-RI
03-09-2005, 01:32 PM
that happened a while ago :wink:

NJFINSFAN1
03-09-2005, 01:35 PM
that happened a while ago :wink:

I thought for a minute I was in a time warp or that there were two David Pattens! :eek:

NathanHunt
03-09-2005, 01:36 PM
Well, since they are system based, I don't think they'll fall apart per say, more like just not win another SB. They can pick up some FAs and help thru the draft and they'll be fine. Much like us, Saban will build and rebuild in the same manner.

Exactly. Players are NOT their achilles heel. Coaching, however, could be. Losing both coordinators will seriously affect their ability to remain dominant.

Even though system based, the system is not an entity in itself. The administrators and designers of the system need to be in place for it to work.

NE will encounter a "rebuilding" phase, unlike what other teams endure. The knowledge is still in Bill's head, but building chemistry and getting everyone on the same page will take time for the new staff. They'll make the playoffs, but, I don't see them defending their crown this year.

IF they do, BB deserves to be included in arguments of "The Greatest Coach of All Time".

Enduring player loss is one thing, enduring player loss and coaching loss is another.

FIN-IN-RI
03-09-2005, 01:38 PM
Exactly. Players are NOT their achilles heel. Coaching, however, could be. Losing both coordinators will seriously affect their ability to remain dominant.

Even though system based, the system is not an entity in itself. The administrators and designers of the system need to be in place for it to work.

NE will encounter a "rebuilding" phase, unlike what other teams endure. The knowledge is still in Bill's head, but building chemistry and getting everyone on the same page will take time for the new staff. They'll make the playoffs, but, I don't see them defending their crown this year.

IF they do, BB deserves to be included in arguments of "The Greatest Coach of All Time".

Enduring player loss is one thing, enduring player loss and coaching loss is another.

This especially rings true when you don't replace your offensive coordinatior. BB is smart but I don't think he can do it all.

islandah
03-09-2005, 01:39 PM
I think this is the beginning of the end for the Pats. System based or not, it only is self-sustaining while it's successful. With the loss of the key coordinators and some players, I think they will start not to win those close games. Then players start doubting the system and aren't as willing to give up personal gain and recognition for the team concept. Then the "me first" attitude creeps in and you've lost your system.
I give Belichek a lot of credit for holding it together this long.

Cfasullo13
03-09-2005, 01:42 PM
Patriots are close to signing Tim Dwight.

NJFINSFAN1
03-09-2005, 01:43 PM
Patriots are close to signing Tim Dwight.

I like him!!

Good return man also!

patsfan4ever
03-09-2005, 01:50 PM
Patten was a good deep threat, but his production has been in the decline since Deion Branch and David Givens started shouldering the workload.

In my opinion, Redskins are overpaying for him (now that shouldn't be a surprise !!)

The board does not let me post an URL to another part of ITSELF !!!! :roflmao: :roflmao:
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BlueFin
03-09-2005, 01:53 PM
Exactly. Players are NOT their achilles heel. Coaching, however, could be. Losing both coordinators will seriously affect their ability to remain dominant.

Even though system based, the system is not an entity in itself. The administrators and designers of the system need to be in place for it to work.

NE will encounter a "rebuilding" phase, unlike what other teams endure. The knowledge is still in Bill's head, but building chemistry and getting everyone on the same page will take time for the new staff. They'll make the playoffs, but, I don't see them defending their crown this year.

IF they do, BB deserves to be included in arguments of "The Greatest Coach of All Time".

Enduring player loss is one thing, enduring player loss and coaching loss is another.

Everything you say is true with one caveat, There is one player on their roster they will not let go.

They will let the Ty Laws go, the Troy Browns, the Lawyer Milloys, what they will not let go of is the most important position on the field......The quarterback.....Tom Brady.

Dolphin fans should realize this as Saban will tend to operate much in the same manner, they will lose some of their favorites as time goes by.

Saban emphasized the importance of the QB position in his first press conference and there will not be a higher priority on his list until he finds his Tom Brady, whether that turns out to be Feeley, one of the QB's in this draft or elsewhere.

Rhody Phins Fan
03-09-2005, 02:00 PM
David Patten sucked anyways.

outlawd2u
03-09-2005, 02:04 PM
I think it's just wishfull thinking by most of us to say that the Pats are going to falter now. They haven't lost anyone of any great importance, and losing their two coordinators would KILL a team without a great head coach, but that's obviously not the case in New England. You think BB, Tom Brady, and all of these other guys that have been running the same system for so long are going to all of a sudden forget what they're supposed to be doing??? And the losses personell wise that they've taken are minor at the most, and they still have yet to play their hand in free agency, and the draft(which they always seem to do pretty darn well at). If they fix that secondary a little they won't miss a beat IMO. But with all this being said, I hope when the season starts they are lost in the sauce, and get off to a terrible start......(I just don't think it will happen, but hey......It'd be great wouldn't it?

WiGGy
03-09-2005, 02:14 PM
I couldn't find this posted, but Pats WR Patten signed with the Redskins!!!! :roflmao: Its going to be fun watching them fall apart this year!!!


Whoever heard of David Patten before the Patriots hired him from his warehouse packing job? The only fun will be for Patriots fans watching the team raise their 3rd consecutive Lombardi trophy.

FinzManiac
03-09-2005, 02:16 PM
This thread is so LAST week... :roflmao:

NathanHunt
03-09-2005, 02:18 PM
Everything you say is true with one caveat, There is one player on their roster they will not let go.

They will let the Ty Laws go, the Troy Browns, the Lawyer Milloys, what they will not let go of is the most important position on the field......The quarterback.....Tom Brady.

Dolphin fans should realize this as Saban will tend to operate much in the same manner, they will lose some of their favorites as time goes by.

Saban emphasized the importance of the QB position in his first press conference and there will not be a higher priority on his list until he finds his Tom Brady, whether that turns out to be Feeley, one of the QB's in this draft or elsewhere.

Everyone is replaceable. Just ask Drew Bledsoe.

LarryFinFan
03-09-2005, 02:18 PM
I couldn't find this posted, but Pats WR Patten signed with the Redskins!!!! :roflmao: Its going to be fun watching them fall apart this year!!!


WHEN they fall apart, I'll believe it...

Canadianfishfan
03-09-2005, 02:22 PM
I think it's just wishfull thinking by most of us to say that the Pats are going to falter now. They haven't lost anyone of any great importance, and losing their two coordinators would KILL a team without a great head coach, but that's obviously not the case in New England. You think BB, Tom Brady, and all of these other guys that have been running the same system for so long are going to all of a sudden forget what they're supposed to be doing??? And the losses personell wise that they've taken are minor at the most, and they still have yet to play their hand in free agency, and the draft(which they always seem to do pretty darn well at). If they fix that secondary a little they won't miss a beat IMO. But with all this being said, I hope when the season starts they are lost in the sauce, and get off to a terrible start......(I just don't think it will happen, but hey......It'd be great wouldn't it?

Actually i think they will falter... i think its the beginning of the end for them. Both COs gone?... a host of FA defections and cuts....with Bruschi's health in question... i thin NE will hae their work cut out for them. They wont be bottom feeders.... but I dont think they make the playoffs.

yankeehillbilly
03-09-2005, 02:26 PM
Who is gonna win the AFC East? We are a season or two away.... the Bills are gonna rely on Losman, the Jets maybe, if Pennington stays healthy (yeah, right!). The Pats will make the playoffs by winning the East but I doubt they'll get past the 1st round.

islandah
03-09-2005, 02:37 PM
Who is gonna win the AFC East? We are a season or two away.... the Bills are gonna rely on Losman, the Jets maybe, if Pennington stays healthy (yeah, right!). The Pats will make the playoffs by winning the East but I doubt they'll get past the 1st round.

Pretty good assessment, IMO.

Charles
03-09-2005, 02:40 PM
The Pats are done. Thats all you need to say.

NathanHunt
03-09-2005, 02:41 PM
WHEN they fall apart, I'll believe it...

Exactly.

It's time fans START appreciating the REAL story in NE. What they have done admist the FA and Salary Cap Eras is NOTHING SHORT OF BRILLIANCE.

Hate them as you may, THEY are 3 time Champs. Once might be a fluke. Twice might be lucky. Three times is by design.

The Patriots have a PHILOSOPHY. This is not a statement on the Locker Room Wall. It's not a statue named "Touchdown Jesus". It's not a motto on the Corporate logo. This is something more.

It happened years ago. It started with the owner. It was mandated to the Front Office. Required of the Coaches and desired by ALL who joined the team.

When they step onto the field, they step as one. When they win, they win as a team. When they lose, they lose as a team. And, when they're spoken of, they are addressed as a team.

This is not about one player, one coach or one season. This IS the New England Patriots brand of football.

I'm sorry, but you can't JUST copy that. You build it.

It's changed how I look at the NFL.

I used to be like most guys growing up, I watched a team because of a player. My player was Dan Marino. Then, Dan left. I had no player. FA and the Salary Cap were really changing the landscape. But, I stayed a DolPhan.

Enduring the loss of Marino was hard. Having no Elite icon to associate my team loyalty. Then, Ricky came to town. For a brief 2 years, I was reunited with the feeling I once had with "Marino".

Last year, humbled me as a fan. I think most of us could say that. As I relunctantly watched Sports Center on WEDNESDAYS - SATURDAYS (never watch on Monday or Tuesday, they're still talking about the Phinz loss!), I started to pay attention to how LITTLE attention NE was getting. How "underexposed" they were in the media's eye. Then, once it was obvious the Pats would again be SB contenders, they started talking more and more about them.

That's when it hit me. All the years of hearing "No 'I' in TEAM" just scratched the surface, I finally realized why they win. It's not a motto for them, it's a way of (football) life. They are ALWAYS doing the same things. It's US who fails to notice it (like the media).

And that's why they won't "stink" this year or next year or the next year. Oh sure, they may have a bad year from time to time. But, they have a philosophy in place. And, it works.

Once you truly realize what is important, you'll stop worrying about one player... and start worrying about one team. Because, as always....

PHINZ RULE!

(I need a tissue)

BlueFin
03-09-2005, 02:43 PM
Everyone is replaceable. Just ask Drew Bledsoe.

What has Drew Bledsoe got to do with Tom Brady?

One is a champion while the other was a disapointment.

You won't see the Patriots balk at paying Brady the way they do other positions.

You can't replace a championship QB with inexpensive alternatives the way you can other positions.

NathanHunt
03-09-2005, 03:11 PM
What has Drew Bledsoe got to do with Tom Brady?

The answer is in the question.

From that, please refer to the old saying "History REPEATS itself".

DolphinzD
03-09-2005, 03:12 PM
Okay, New England was signing defensive backs off the street and they were getting the job done. I won't see a reason to believe New England won't win the Super Bowl again until they lose in the play-offs.

LOCAL SCUM!
03-09-2005, 03:12 PM
I couldn't find this posted, but Pats WR Patten signed with the Redskins!!!! :roflmao: Its going to be fun watching them fall apart this year!!!

Yea but imagine if Bellichek somehow manages to still keep it together 1 more time even without all the players and coordinators they've lost.

OhioPhin
03-09-2005, 03:17 PM
Yea but imagine if Bellichek somehow manages to still keep it together 1 more time even without all the players and coordinators they've lost.

That would be amazing if he does that. I would have even more respect for him than I do now. Lets just hope our boy Saban is as good or better!!!!

BlueFin
03-09-2005, 03:21 PM
The answer is in the question.

From that, please refer to the old saying "History REPEATS itself".

Dude, in the midst of a dynasty the Patsies have let several big name players go, but you will not see them let Tom Brady go, if you don't understand that you haven't been paying attention.

FinsForLife007
03-09-2005, 03:30 PM
I couldn't find this posted, but Pats WR Patten signed with the Redskins!!!! :roflmao: Its going to be fun watching them fall apart this year!!!

Watch them win another Super Bowl. That would be our luck.

NathanHunt
03-09-2005, 04:24 PM
Dude, in the midst of a dynasty the Patsies have let several big name players go, but you will not see them let Tom Brady go, if you don't understand that you haven't been paying attention.

And if you weren't paying attention, Drew Bledsoe replaced Tom Brady (due to injury) during the AFC Championship game a few years ago, ADMIST the DYNASTY, and won the game. One game doesn't make the man. But, the system does.

Remember... 6th round QB. And there's a 6th round in EVERY draft.

Tom Brady DOES NOT MAKE THE SYSTEM. The SYSTEM MAKES Tom Brady.

Apparently, YOU have not been paying attention.

patsdynasty
04-02-2005, 02:00 AM
David Patten sucked anyways.


he didnt sux

that one game against indy in 2001 he almost won the gm by himself!!!!
he threw for a td 90 yder!!
caught a td and ran one in for a td....