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Krie30511
05-02-2005, 03:44 PM
http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=70716

yes I'm looking around seeing whats going on in others camps.... apparently Losman isn't doing so welll

CirclingWagons
05-02-2005, 03:46 PM
oh ****, we're screwed!

Wagon Circler
05-02-2005, 03:51 PM
Hmmm I like this one better.

Read me. (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/bills/2005-04-30-losman_x.htm)

inFINSible
05-02-2005, 03:55 PM
I think that thread explains everything.

wyo
05-02-2005, 04:10 PM
Hmmm I like this one better.

Read me. (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/bills/2005-04-30-losman_x.htm)

I think Chris Berman wrote this.:roflmao:

Justasportsfan
05-02-2005, 04:49 PM
http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=70716

yes I'm looking around seeing whats going on in others camps.... apparently Losman isn't doing so welll :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: Well we know you can read. The question is, can you comprehend?

Not doing so well. :roflmao:

Losman7
05-02-2005, 04:50 PM
SIDE NOTE:


John Clayton mentioned Roscoe PArrish as one of 3 rookies making noise in the 26 mini camps held over the weekend.

painnotpleasure
05-02-2005, 05:53 PM
I hate the Bills just as much as the next guy here (the 90+% Phin fans that is), but the guy hasn't even started a game. He's not a disappointment regardless how he's performing in "mini camps". I think that's pretty bad for anyone to assume about any player. The guy's still a rookie in my book. I'm not going to be talking any SH!T until he starts playing like it, during the season. :D

TigerJ
05-02-2005, 06:00 PM
For anyone who seriously wants to understand what's going on, JP Losman has been in Buffalo the full offseason, putting in 6 days a week studying film, working out, working with QB coach Sam Wyche. He's also worked with Lee Evans, developing some chemistry learning to anticipate what he's going to do.. Eric Moulds has not been in Buffalo. Losman missed a few throws on the first day, notably to Moulds. Between first day jitters, ssome rust at not being in a team workout for several months and not having worked on timing with Moulds, can you really expect anything different? It should be noted that on the second and third days of mini-camp Losman got progressively better drawing rave reviews from teammates, coaches and observers.

However, I encourage you to keep on saying and thinking that the Bills will suck this year.

Marino1983
05-02-2005, 07:16 PM
For anyone who seriously wants to understand what's going on, JP Losman has been in Buffalo the full offseason, putting in 6 days a week studying film, working out, working with QB coach Sam Wyche. He's also worked with Lee Evans, developing some chemistry learning to anticipate what he's going to do.. Eric Moulds has not been in Buffalo. Losman missed a few throws on the first day, notably to Moulds. Between first day jitters, ssome rust at not being in a team workout for several months and not having worked on timing with Moulds, can you really expect anything different? It should be noted that on the second and third days of mini-camp Losman got progressively better drawing rave reviews from teammates, coaches and observers.

However, I encourage you to keep on saying and thinking that the Bills will suck this year.
:spit:
You mean like the post where you stated that the Dolphins would be "one win better this season"??
I know that most if not all you billy fans think that you are the (miss cleo's) of the NFL but I truly hope that your f-o, coaching staff, and above all,, the wildebeest players think the same way that you do Tiger!!!
:yes:

:www:

Marino1983

Marino1983
05-02-2005, 07:19 PM
SIDE NOTE:


John Clayton mentioned Roscoe PArrish as one of 3 rookies making noise in the 26 mini camps held over the weekend.
It would be very interesting to see what your opinion was of this guy if he was drafted by the Dolphins!! I bet the hype would be missing from any of your post's about Roscoe the dwarf... :lol:

Marino1983

Wagon Circler
05-02-2005, 07:22 PM
It would be very interesting to see what your opinion was of this guy if he was drafted by the Dolphins!! I bet the hype would be missing from any of your post's about Roscoe the dwarf... :lol:

Marino1983

Ronnie Brown gets hype and I don't see any bills fan try and talk smack about him. He said one win better, big deal. That's his opinion. I say two wins better, three at the most.

Marino1983
05-02-2005, 07:33 PM
Ronnie Brown gets hype and I don't see any bills fan try and talk smack about him. He said one win better, big deal. That's his opinion. I say two wins better, three at the most .
Because R Brown was / IS the best rb in the draft!!!!
And how could you talk smack about Brown? What guy did your jills take that would even come close to comparing Ronnie's talent???
"He said one win better, big deal. That's his opinion. I say two wins better, three at the most" My point was that he had the goats's improving to a possible 3 games this season and the Phins maybe one game!!!
It might help if you learn to read the entire post....

Marino1983

Wagon Circler
05-02-2005, 07:53 PM
Because R Brown was / IS the best rb in the draft!!!!
And how could you talk smack about Brown? What guy did your jills take that would even come close to comparing Ronnie's talent???
"He said one win better, big deal. That's his opinion. I say two wins better, three at the most" My point was that he had the goats's improving to a possible 3 games this season and the Phins maybe one game!!!
It might help if you learn to read the entire post....

Marino1983

Ummm ever heard of Willis Mcgahee? Or are you talking about this years draft? You did not specify. I don't say anything about Brown because he hasn't done anything yet in the NFL. Who cares if he had the bills improving three wins and you only one. Like I said, that's his opinion. However many games the bills improve has nothing to do with how much the dolphins will improve.

And how can you talk smack about JP? It's the same thing. Such hypocrisy.

TigerJ
05-02-2005, 09:53 PM
:spit:
You mean like the post where you stated that the Dolphins would be "one win better this season"??
I know that most if not all you billy fans think that you are the (miss cleo's) of the NFL but I truly hope that your f-o, coaching staff, and above all,, the wildebeest players think the same way that you do Tiger!!!
:yes:

:www:

Marino1983

The "one more win" comment was in jest. I'm not going to make predictions yet about the upcoming season, and when I do, those predictions will carry the same weight as all the Dolphin predictions for a winning season, exactly none. Again, the real point of my post was to try and bring a little bit of accuracy to the subject of Losman'sminicamp performance to counter the mountain of missinformation you boys seem obsessed with generating.

Roman529
05-02-2005, 10:26 PM
I haven't heard much about Losman,,,,doesn't he have a goofy delivery. :D

TigerJ
05-02-2005, 11:04 PM
Where did this notion of a goofy delivery ever come from? Phil Rivers has a goofy delivery. As far as arm position is concerned Losman's delivery is textbook perfect. If you want to criticize him, say he had happy feet in college, or say he threw off the back foot sometimes, or say he held on to the ball too long sometimes. The player Losman resembles as far as his form, and the quickness of his release is a fellow named Dan Marino. No, I'm not saying he's another Dan Marino, but when he plants and delivers that's what his throwing motion looks like. Did Marino have a goofy delivery?

Dirtywater
05-02-2005, 11:22 PM
I have no idea where all this Losman-bashing is coming from other than jealousy. Seriously. This kid looks good and has a crap load of potential. Now it is the NFL, and nothing is guaranteed, but I'd wait a bit before trashing this kid.

gr8slayer
05-02-2005, 11:27 PM
Everyone has their opinion on how good Losman is doing. Who cares how he does right now (good or bad), Im more worried about how he does during the season.

BillsCA
05-02-2005, 11:42 PM
Its way too soon to be saying anything about anyone. :cooldude:

BBsuck
05-10-2005, 12:07 PM
I have no idea where all this Losman-bashing is coming from other than jealousy. Seriously. This kid looks good and has a crap load of potential. Now it is the NFL, and nothing is guaranteed, but I'd wait a bit before trashing this kid.

5 pass attempts 3 comps and 1 INT=(career)=(Rookie) No Dolphin fan is afraid of the Bills QB potential..:shakeno:
He is going to be ragged until he proves us wrong..He doesnt have the O-Line to protect him period. Sure the Bills have fast recievers, How is he (Losman) going to have time to deliver??? Last year he sat on the sidelines watching football not playing-- HUGE difference!! This year they dont have a choice , time to throw him to the wolves and find out,, Im not worried..Potential all Potential at this point.:shakeno: :shakeno: :shakeno: :shakeno:


Lets go Burpaload, Lets go Burpaload,:roflmao:

Predaphin
05-11-2005, 12:46 AM
Those were bad habits he learned from Drew.

Gotta love this comment. http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2005/09/36_1_21-1.gif

TigerJ
05-11-2005, 09:32 AM
Last season, the Bills only put Losman into the games at garbage time. He wasn't supposed to impress. He was supposed to not give up a big turnover and to play conservative. It was mainly about giving him a few snaps so that this coming season when they expected he would start, it wouldn't be his first time under certer in the regular season. It would also give him an inkling of the speed of the pro game and the things he needed to work on in the offseason. With his injury a year ago the Bills knew he wasn't ready for anything more than that. His stats of 3 out of 5 with 1 int. mean nothing. It was too small a sample. Had he completed 5 out of 5, or had 5 interceptions, it would still have been meaningless.

The taste it gave him was apparently enough to light a fire under him to prepare in the offseason because he's been one of the most dedicated Bills in the offseason program. He has the physical talent and measurables. He has the intelligence. He has the dedication. Obviously, until he starts a regular season game, probably more than one, the Bills won't know if he can put it all together on the field. Other QBs who looked like they had it all have flopped. But to this point Bills brass, Bills players, and Bills fans like what they see a lot. That's about all we can ask for.

BBsuck
05-11-2005, 10:08 AM
OK everyone knows that I hate Buffalo :fire:
But I think Losman hasn't had enough time to prove or disprove his place on the team yet, he hasnt been on the field long enough to judge him fairly good or bad..The problem I have is everyone( Bills brass, Bills players, and Bills fans). seems to be putting him on a trophy shelf for what he did in school, It cant be for what they saw on the field. I hope Brown is going to be awsome for us but who knows, if he played for us last year and was like 5 attempts for 12 yards and 1 fummble and then got hurt for the rest of the year I wouldnt be pummping him up like he was going to shock the NFL this year..I would be worried.
Losman has potential, but he has to prove it to the Bills and the rest on the NFL this year..there is a thread about ("Who will be better Brown or McGayhee") I think it should be who will help improve their team the most Brown or Losman on offence!! They are about even-- all potential..I cant wait to play you guys to see where we stand. :cooldude:

TigerJ
05-11-2005, 10:42 PM
OK everyone knows that I hate Buffalo :fire:
But I think Losman hasn't had enough time to prove or disprove his place on the team yet, he hasnt been on the field long enough to judge him fairly good or bad..The problem I have is everyone( Bills brass, Bills players, and Bills fans). seems to be putting him on a trophy shelf for what he did in school, It cant be for what they saw on the field. I hope Brown is going to be awsome for us but who knows, if he played for us last year and was like 5 attempts for 12 yards and 1 fummble and then got hurt for the rest of the year I wouldnt be pummping him up like he was going to shock the NFL this year..I would be worried.
Losman has potential, but he has to prove it to the Bills and the rest on the NFL this year..there is a thread about ("Who will be better Brown or McGayhee") I think it should be who will help improve their team the most Brown or Losman on offence!! They are about even-- all potential..I cant wait to play you guys to see where we stand. :cooldude:

Actually, other QBs have had better numbers in school. Tulane was plagued by a terrible offensive line, so Losman spent a lot of time running for his life. I think Tulane used a lot of shotgun formation to try andgive Losman an extra second to survey the field before the thundering horde of defensive linemen got through. Losman learned to throw on the run and was fairly effective at it. He also developed a bad habit or two, often throwing off his back foot. Fortunately, he has a strong enough arm that he got away with bad footwork. While Losman did not rack up lots of yardage, he did have an excellent TD/interception ration.

However, the things Buffalo liked about Losman were his outstanding arm strength and athleticism, his attitude, his accuracy, and glowing recommendations from his college coaching staff.

You are right in that it's all about potential at this point. Curious that you should mention Ronnie Brown. I think he is very much in the same boat as Losman, though he's a rookie. Brown shared the ball a lot with Cadillac Williams, who was the more celebrated RB at Alabama. Brown has all kinds of potential, a great size/speed combo, receiving and blocking ability, but because he split time with Carnell Williams, he didn't have the gaudy numbers you might expect from a #2 overall draft choice. I haven't followed closely what's going on in Miami, but my guess is that fans and Miami coaching staff are all gushing about Ronnie Brown.

One reason we hear a lot of this stuff is because we've got over two months before training camp begins. We're all starved for team news. Little blurbs about how players are doing get blown out of proportion as we hang on every bit of team news we hear. It's not going to get any better for a while yet.

so-long-Ricky
05-12-2005, 08:46 PM
The initial comment is somewhat misleading. During the 1st day of camp it was reported by numerous sources that Losman was off target on a number of throws. But the next 2 days of camp he was extremely sharp and completed most of his passes besides already knowing the playbook inside and out.

So....until he plays the jury is still out on him.

Master Logos
05-18-2005, 05:35 PM
Because R Brown was / IS the best rb in the draft!!!!
And how could you talk smack about Brown? What guy did your jills take that would even come close to comparing Ronnie's talent???
"He said one win better, big deal. That's his opinion. I say two wins better, three at the most" My point was that he had the goats's improving to a possible 3 games this season and the Phins maybe one game!!!
It might help if you learn to read the entire post....

Marino1983


Cedric Benson will be the best RB in the draft... but then again... that's my OPINION.

Ronnie Brown was drafted higher based on combine workouts... which is sad really. The guy couldn't even start on his college team. <--That's how you talk smack about Ronnie Brown.

Justasportsfan
05-18-2005, 08:29 PM
5 pass attempts 3 comps and 1 INT=(career)=(Rookie) No Dolphin fan is afraid of the Bills QB potential..:shakeno:


let's review Rothlesburger's first 5 attempts...

3 for 5 and one INT 1 sack . sound familiar?

Let's check out his first 5 attempts in his first start meaning, he's had a whole week to practice w/ the 1st team....

3 for 5 and 1 INT ....again!


Although I'm not saying JP is the next Ben, those stats you pulled out don't mean squat but nice try though.

BBsuck
05-19-2005, 08:09 PM
let's review Rothlesburger's first 5 attempts...

3 for 5 and one INT 1 sack . sound familiar?

Let's check out his first 5 attempts in his first start meaning, he's had a whole week to practice w/ the 1st team....

3 for 5 and 1 INT ....again!


Although I'm not saying JP is the next Ben, those stats you pulled out don't mean squat but nice try though.

So if Ben went 3 for 5 and 1 INT-(Once)=(Total) then got injured and stayed on the bench watching football for the rest of the season I am sure you would be putting Ben on a shelf also boasting about Big Bens potential..I dont think so.:shakeno:
Losman just may be your next Jim Kelly..He has to prove it to me first, then Ill give Losman credit..He has done nothing for the Bills!! thats all he's proved to me so far. He will have plenty of chances to either win or lose fans this year or gain respect. It's getting close..

Losman7
05-19-2005, 09:01 PM
RONNIE BROWN(Losman) just may be your next LARRY CZONKA(Jim Kelly)..He has to prove it to me first, then Ill give RONNIE(Losman) credit..He has done nothing for the DOLPHINS(Bills)!! thats all he's proved to me so far. He will have plenty of chances to either win or lose fans this year or gain respect. It's getting close..


:evil: :fire: :evil:

BBsuck
05-20-2005, 12:15 PM
Originally Posted by BBsuck
RONNIE BROWN(Losman) just may be your next LARRY CZONKA(Jim Kelly)..He has to prove it to me first, then Ill give RONNIE(Losman) credit..He has done nothing for the DOLPHINS(Bills)!! thats all he's proved to me so far. He will have plenty of chances to either win or lose fans this year or gain respect. It's getting close..
:eek: :eek: :eek: :roflmao:


Impressive, Most impressive.. You made me laugh..(lol,Smirk,Grin)..The sad thing is I agree even though I did not say (all) of that(misquoted Statement), Both right now are ALL potential,we will have ample time to prove it to each other but right now it's all smack and a bunch of woulda,coulda,shoulda Sh*t..

Justasportsfan
05-20-2005, 12:39 PM
So if Ben went 3 for 5 and 1 INT-(Once)=(Total) then got injured and stayed on the bench watching football for the rest of the season I am sure you would be putting Ben on a shelf also boasting about Big Bens potential..I dont think so.:shakeno:
Losman just may be your next Jim Kelly..He has to prove it to me first, then Ill give Losman credit..He has done nothing for the Bills!! thats all he's proved to me so far. He will have plenty of chances to either win or lose fans this year or gain respect. It's getting close..No one is saying he's the next Jim Kelly.I agree, Losman hasn't done squat to scare anyone but if you are going to use his first 5 attempts to judge him , take a look at Ben's first 5 attempts. Remember you pulled out those specific nos. not me. All I did was pull out the nos. of a rookie qb who is better than both your qb's COMBINED .

BBsuck
05-20-2005, 07:30 PM
No one is saying he's the next Jim Kelly.I agree, Losman hasn't done squat to scare anyone but if you are going to use his first 5 attempts to judge him , take a look at Ben's first 5 attempts. Remember you pulled out those specific nos. not me. All I did was pull out the nos. of a rookie qb who is better than both your qb's COMBINED .

You have to agree or maybe not, but alot of Bills fans are putting Losman way up on the shelf for those exact #'s the exact ones I pulled out..I think it's wishfull thinking.The guy has potential no doubt
Actually your wrong , I think your ball boy had better #'s vs our QB's combined:lol: