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Oaklandraider
05-13-2005, 07:21 PM
Who do you think are the top Dbs right now!!!

1. Ty law
2. ricky manning
3. rhonde barber
4. sam madison
5. My very own charles woodson
6. chris maclister
7. Fred smoot
8. ken lucas

ether79
05-13-2005, 07:24 PM
1. Pat Surtain
2. Chris Mcallister
3. Champ Bailey
4. Ty Law
5. Antoine Winfield
6. Fred Smoot
7. Rhonde Barber
8. Shaun Springs

Oaklandraider
05-13-2005, 07:24 PM
1. Pat Surtain
2. Chris Mcallister
3. Champ Bailey
4. Ty Law
5. Antoine Winfield
6. Fred Smoot
7. Rhonde Barber
8. Shaun Springs

How could c-wood not be on your list.

ether79
05-13-2005, 07:25 PM
Who do you think are the top Dbs right now!!!

5. My very own charles woodson

Most overrated player in the NFL.

Oaklandraider
05-13-2005, 07:32 PM
No way are you kidding me look at dre bly or chump they got dicked this season but you cant say the guy is not a shut down corner.

ether79
05-13-2005, 07:37 PM
No way are you kidding me look at dre bly or chump they got dicked this season but you cant say the guy is not a shut down corner.
Champ had a bad season, as did many CBs trying to adjust to the new rule. What does Chuck shut down? Can he stay healthy a WHOLE season? I've always thought he was overrated, had many heated discussions with a friend thats a Raiders fan. You can tell me anything you want but nothing he has ever done has impressed me to the point of calling him a "shut down" corner.

Oaklandraider
05-13-2005, 09:27 PM
I dont understand where your coming from this guy has proven himself week in and week out, made it to quite a few pro bowls as well as earned the respect of evry other coener in the leauge, just watch game film on the guy but I guess evryone has there opnion as crazy as it may sound!!

Crisis
05-13-2005, 09:37 PM
Nate Clements not a top 8 corner? He's top 5 easy, possibly top 3.

Oaklandraider
05-13-2005, 09:42 PM
clements your killing me clements please.

Prime
05-13-2005, 09:52 PM
Why on Earth do you have Manning rated #2?

Oaklandraider
05-13-2005, 09:55 PM
Hes a damn good corner I was watching game film on the guy and he is one of the ideal corners in the leauge.

Prime
05-13-2005, 09:58 PM
Hes a damn good corner I was watching game film on the guy and he is one of the ideal corners in the leauge.


If he is so good....then why did they sign Ken Lucas? they could of easily got a cheaper guy to just be their nickelback.

Oaklandraider
05-13-2005, 10:02 PM
They got him to play along side of him not to start over him did you not see his Sb performance and his Nfc title performance his actions in those games speak for him.

Prime
05-13-2005, 10:04 PM
They got him to play along side of him not to start over him did you not see his Sb performance and his Nfc title performance his actions in those games speak for him.


Yes i saw that NFC title game and Manning was outstanding in it. But this season he really didnt impress me alot, like he did in the NFC title game.

Oaklandraider
05-13-2005, 10:16 PM
well c-wood wasnt very impressing this season they just need to work a little harder at the posistion thats all. I see it all the time guys have one bad season and end up going to the pro bowl thew next season some guys just have an off season.

ether79
05-14-2005, 03:09 AM
I dont understand where your coming from this guy has proven himself week in and week out, made it to quite a few pro bowls as well as earned the respect of evry other coener in the leauge, just watch game film on the guy but I guess evryone has there opnion as crazy as it may sound!!
While they might be right be right about me leaving Clements out, the craziest thing is you leaving Surtain out. I really don't care how "game film" you watched of Woodson to put him in the top 8 and leave Surtain out!? You don't know corners. IMO

Crisis
05-14-2005, 11:24 AM
Clements is 10x the corner that Woodson or Manning will ever be.

Predaphin
05-14-2005, 01:19 PM
How could c-wood not be on your list.

How could Surtain not be on your list? (A little baised are we?)

Predaphin
05-14-2005, 01:24 PM
1. Pat Surtain
2. Champ Bailey
3. Charles Woodson
4. Sam Madison
5. Antoine Winfield
6. Ty Law
7. Rhonde Barber
8. Troy Vincent

Oaklandraider
05-14-2005, 02:53 PM
All right ill redo it Top 10 you happy!!!
1 Ty law
2 Rhonde barber
3 Charles woodson
4 sam madison
5 patrick surtain
6 chump bailey
7 fred smoot
8 antoine winfield
9 ken lucas
10 ricky manning

Oaklandraider
05-14-2005, 02:54 PM
Clements is 10x the corner that Woodson or Manning will ever be.



For that comment I know you really have never seen C-wood in action.

Oaklandraider
05-14-2005, 02:57 PM
While they might be right be right about me leaving Clements out, the craziest thing is you leaving Surtain out. I really don't care how "game film" you watched of Woodson to put him in the top 8 and leave Surtain out!? You don't know corners. IMO


No you dont!!! the raiders have had some of the most notable corners who have ever played the game.

Jaj
05-14-2005, 03:12 PM
1. Bailey
2. Surtain
3. when healthy Law
4. Woodson
5. Clements
6. Barber
7. Smoot
8. Trufant

ether79
05-14-2005, 07:29 PM
the raiders have had some of the most notable corners who have ever played the game.
That says nothing of how woodson plays or what you know of CBs. ANy list of top CBs that has RICKY MANNING at #2 is horrible and then you only changed it after people called you out.

Crisis
05-14-2005, 10:05 PM
All right ill redo it Top 10 you happy!!!
1 Ty law
2 Rhonde barber
3 Charles woodson
4 sam madison
5 patrick surtain
6 chump bailey
7 fred smoot
8 antoine winfield
9 ken lucas
10 ricky manning

What a joke. Manning is garbage, Lucas is above average, Winfield is lost in pass coverage (I'm a Bills fan, I've watched alot more of him than you have) and has hands of stone. Champ Bailey is BARELY the top corner in the league. Barber has had one GREAT year and a bunch of ok years. Madison in this stage of his career isn't a top 10 corner, possibly a top 15.

Clements is a top 3 corner in the league. Him, Champ, Surtain, and McAlister are all stuck up jumbled together. Look at the season Clements had.

Here are the stats of the #1 WRs of each team that Clements faced.

Week 1 - Jimmy Smith - 4 recepts, 83 yards. (INT)
Week 2 - Joey Porter - 3 recepts, 45 yards.
Week 4 - David Givens - 4 recepts, 86 yards.
Week 5 - Santana Moss - 2 recepts, 62 yards. (FF)
Week 6 - Chris Chambers - 3 recepts, 23 yards.
Week 7 - Travis Taylor - 2 recepts, 52 yards.
Week 8 - Anquain Boldin - 4 recepts, 50 yards. (SACK)
Week 9 - Santana Moss - 6 recepts, 157 yards. (McGee was covering Moss when he broke a big score to inflate his yard total, and Clements covered McCaries for part of the game, who was 2-27.
Week 10 - David Givens - 5 recepts, 66 yards. (INT)
Week 11 - Torry Holt - 8 recepts, 90 yards. (FF, Punt return TD) - A decent game for Clements, but Bulger also had 45 attempts in the game.
Week 12 - D. Jackson - 4 recepts, 45 yards.
Week 13 - Chris Chambers - 5 recepts, 49 yards. (INT)
Week 14 - Antonio Bryant - 4 recepts, 37 yards. (INT) Most of Bryant's yardage came in garbage time, the Browns had negative offensive yards until late in the 4th quarter.
Week 15 - Chad Johnson - 2 recepts, 10 yards. (FF) Clements shuts down the league's leader in receptions (at the time) to 2 receptions for 10 yards.
Week 16 - Brandon Lloyd - 2 recepts, 25 yards. (INT)
Week 17 - Hines Ward - 2 recepts, 11 yards. (INT for TD)

painnotpleasure
05-14-2005, 11:19 PM
What a joke. Manning is garbage, Lucas is above average, Winfield is lost in pass coverage (I'm a Bills fan, I've watched alot more of him than you have) and has hands of stone. Champ Bailey is BARELY the top corner in the league. Barber has had one GREAT year and a bunch of ok years. Madison in this stage of his career isn't a top 10 corner, possibly a top 15.

Clements is a top 3 corner in the league. Him, Champ, Surtain, and McAlister are all stuck up jumbled together. Look at the season Clements had.

Here are the stats of the #1 WRs of each team that Clements faced.

Week 1 - Jimmy Smith - 4 recepts, 83 yards. (INT)
Week 2 - Joey Porter - 3 recepts, 45 yards.
Week 4 - David Givens - 4 recepts, 86 yards.
Week 5 - Santana Moss - 2 recepts, 62 yards. (FF)
Week 6 - Chris Chambers - 3 recepts, 23 yards.
Week 7 - Travis Taylor - 2 recepts, 52 yards.
Week 8 - Anquain Boldin - 4 recepts, 50 yards. (SACK)
Week 9 - Santana Moss - 6 recepts, 157 yards. (McGee was covering Moss when he broke a big score to inflate his yard total, and Clements covered McCaries for part of the game, who was 2-27.
Week 10 - David Givens - 5 recepts, 66 yards. (INT)
Week 11 - Torry Holt - 8 recepts, 90 yards. (FF, Punt return TD) - A decent game for Clements, but Bulger also had 45 attempts in the game.
Week 12 - D. Jackson - 4 recepts, 45 yards.
Week 13 - Chris Chambers - 5 recepts, 49 yards. (INT)
Week 14 - Antonio Bryant - 4 recepts, 37 yards. (INT) Most of Bryant's yardage came in garbage time, the Browns had negative offensive yards until late in the 4th quarter.
Week 15 - Chad Johnson - 2 recepts, 10 yards. (FF) Clements shuts down the league's leader in receptions (at the time) to 2 receptions for 10 yards.
Week 16 - Brandon Lloyd - 2 recepts, 25 yards. (INT)
Week 17 - Hines Ward - 2 recepts, 11 yards. (INT for TD)Wow. Someone did their homework... impressive.

@@@
05-16-2005, 11:04 AM
What a joke. Manning is garbage, Lucas is above average, Winfield is lost in pass coverage (I'm a Bills fan, I've watched alot more of him than you have) and has hands of stone. Champ Bailey is BARELY the top corner in the league. Barber has had one GREAT year and a bunch of ok years. Madison in this stage of his career isn't a top 10 corner, possibly a top 15.

Clements is a top 3 corner in the league. Him, Champ, Surtain, and McAlister are all stuck up jumbled together. Look at the season Clements had.

Here are the stats of the #1 WRs of each team that Clements faced.

Week 1 - Jimmy Smith - 4 recepts, 83 yards. (INT)
Week 2 - Joey Porter - 3 recepts, 45 yards.
Week 4 - David Givens - 4 recepts, 86 yards.
Week 5 - Santana Moss - 2 recepts, 62 yards. (FF)
Week 6 - Chris Chambers - 3 recepts, 23 yards.
Week 7 - Travis Taylor - 2 recepts, 52 yards.
Week 8 - Anquain Boldin - 4 recepts, 50 yards. (SACK)
Week 9 - Santana Moss - 6 recepts, 157 yards. (McGee was covering Moss when he broke a big score to inflate his yard total, and Clements covered McCaries for part of the game, who was 2-27.
Week 10 - David Givens - 5 recepts, 66 yards. (INT)
Week 11 - Torry Holt - 8 recepts, 90 yards. (FF, Punt return TD) - A decent game for Clements, but Bulger also had 45 attempts in the game.
Week 12 - D. Jackson - 4 recepts, 45 yards.
Week 13 - Chris Chambers - 5 recepts, 49 yards. (INT)
Week 14 - Antonio Bryant - 4 recepts, 37 yards. (INT) Most of Bryant's yardage came in garbage time, the Browns had negative offensive yards until late in the 4th quarter.
Week 15 - Chad Johnson - 2 recepts, 10 yards. (FF) Clements shuts down the league's leader in receptions (at the time) to 2 receptions for 10 yards.
Week 16 - Brandon Lloyd - 2 recepts, 25 yards. (INT)
Week 17 - Hines Ward - 2 recepts, 11 yards. (INT for TD) WOW :eek: , Thought Clements was good last year but didn't realise how good, some impressive games in there.

Anyway my top 10

1. Bailey
2. Law
3. Surtain
4. McCallister
5. Clements
6. Barber
7. S.Rolle
8. Madison
9. Sheppard
10.Smoot

Wagon Circler
05-16-2005, 02:22 PM
Yup, Clements is a great corner. He's going to get some major dollars after next season.

g1n0c1d3
05-16-2005, 10:23 PM
first of all ricky manning jr??? yes he tore up mcnabb, who always chokes under pressure, but he played so well they went out and signed lucas to replace him. check the depth chart and think logically. lucas and gamble are the starters, manning is the nickel back in carolina. gamble played a lot better than manning last year.

also, to the guy who watches game film...maybe u should watch more of the raiders film if u think woodson is an elite. he was HORRIBLE last year. injuries have plagued him and he played horrible when healthy last year. granted he had noone around him and the pass rush was bad but he hasnt played well in the past two years. he is the reason they had to trade p-buch. woodson killed all of his value with injuries and poor play the past two seasons.

and since we are talking dbs not just corners, how come noone has Ed Reed, who is the best safety in the league?? law would be on my list but coming back from a foot injury is hard and he isnt getting younger. i believe that when he is fully healthy he will work back into the top 10 but until he proves he can still play on the bum foot, he is off.

1. Pat Surtain-yea im biased
2. Chris McAllister-great shutdown corner, finally settled a contract and can focus on his game
3. Ed Reed-best safety in the league. best playmaker in any secondary.
4. Clements-look at the numbers the other guy posted.
5. Smoot-had a big year and got paid. teams with winfield for the second best corner tandem.
6. S. Rolle-shutdown corner, noone will pass on this ravens defense.
7. Barber-great player. solid in every way.
8. Winfield-solid tackler and great cover man
9. Dawkins-aging but still a great leader in the eagles secondary
10. Bly-best playmaking corner

Dan13Marino
05-17-2005, 07:14 PM
Patrick Surtain was missing on your list.

Roman529
05-19-2005, 02:00 PM
TY LAW??? how can he be in any of your top 5's with his injuries?:confused:

Oaklandraider
05-19-2005, 04:26 PM
Patrick Surtain was missing on your list.


So was c-wood!!

Crisis
05-19-2005, 04:37 PM
C-Wood is OVERRATED. The fact you put Ricky Manning #2 was a joke itself.

Prime
05-19-2005, 04:39 PM
C-Wood is OVERRATED. The fact you put Ricky Manning #2 was a joke itself.



I have to agree with this statement. Woodson is only a big name,no big play guy.

FaninPatsyLand
05-19-2005, 04:48 PM
Ty Law might be the best cornerback in the Special Olympics, but the fact remains that he's been in a wheelchair for a while and there's no way you can declare him the best corner in the league with the question marks surrounding him.

Then you put Ricky Manning Jr. at number 2. I'm not even gonna touch that one. I'll just ask if you had ever heard of the guy for a noteworthy cause on the football field any time before or after the 2003 playoffs?

I thought so..

Timmy54
05-20-2005, 10:20 PM
Who do you think are the top Dbs right now!!!

1. Ty law
2. ricky manning
3. rhonde barber
4. sam madison
5. My very own charles woodson
6. chris maclister
7. Fred smoot
8. ken lucas

Your list is horrible just because you left out Pat Surtain on a miami dolphin fan site.

Oaklandraider
05-20-2005, 10:33 PM
surtain isnt a dolphin anymore and madison is there hes on your team I also changed my list.