Clark Kent
03-15-2006, 12:41 AM
Since the 1st trailer has been released I've been searching for all sorts of X3 goodies. This is the thread to post your thoughts, spoilers, rumors, etc...
We'll, at first I read that the script was a rush job and Ratner would screw the movie. Two things have changed my mind.
#1. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. This place is Xverse, and one of the writers (click the link) is 1/2 of the writing team. The other Writer Zak Penn also has his own thread (Penn wrote the script for #2, but it was slightly revised and he did not get the writing credit, but he knows X-men so I'm not worried), but Simon responds quicker and usually has better explanations. He does *not give spoilers* away however. Very interesting stuff. Also, Simon Kinberg and Penn are HUGE X-men fans. They've studied Singers first two films, and have promised to keep the same tone of the other movies. Not only that, but they're making it more badass.
#2. The cast loved Brett Ratner. In an interview about him, most of the cast said he gets a bad rap. He's a sociallite, drives nice cars, bangs hot chicks, etc... So people usually associate him with idiots like Hilton. However, he takes movies very serious, and Ian McKellen (I believe) commented that his person life and his professional life do not cross paths, and he is all business as well as being a student of directing. Also, Ratner loves the X-men, so that's a plus. Red Dragon was good, and people like Prison Break as well (some of his newest stuff).
After reading interviews, I'm very pleased with the writers (Kinberg in particular, he seems like a cool guy).
Here are some interviews.
Vinnie Jones (Juggernaut):
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VJ: He (Magneto) breaks me out and says were going to war with the X-Men do you wanna come and I'm like yeah, I got nothing else to do today, lets do it. I become like his main gladiator, he has everyone, and he has Pyro and everybody doing their stuff. But Magneto knows when it gets really tough he sends Juggie in.
Juggernaut Will Be in X-Men 4 and X-Men 5 Too, says Vinnie Jones: “I’ve signed for three, four and five. That was in the deal.” And Vinnie Jones is game for more. “Hopefully, yeah. I want a bigger house.” Is he not perfect for Juggs? Care free and a badass. He also says that he and Wolverine go at it... Sounds awesome.
Brett Ratner:
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Is it true that you were offered the first X-Men?
I was interested in it. I thought Bryan [Singer, director of the first two X-Men films] did a brilliant job of interpreting the comic. People take it for granted. There are things in comics that you have to interpret and visualize for the big screen. Dark Phoenix, for instance, is blowing up planets and galaxies. How do you show her power visually in the film medium? Bryan did a brilliant job of interpreting what existed in the comics, taking all that information and really doing a great visual interpretation of the movie.
How much influence for this film did you take from the fans or fansites?
I'll tell you this: The writers of this movie [Zak Penn and Simon Kinberg] are the biggest X-Men geeks on Earth. I did a test. I said, ''I wanna see a reference for every single scene in this movie.'' I didn't know that they had referenced the comics. I thought that some of the stuff was made up. There are thousands of X-Men comics, but I guarantee you a true X-Men geek can pull something from a comic or even a reference — it doesn't even have to be an entire scene — but it was clear that every single scene was coming from the comic book. These guys know. If I say, ''What was in comic #134?'', these guys can tell you. That's how fanatical they are.
Aaron Stanford (Pyro):
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"He's become Magneto's right hand man in this movie (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) and in X2 (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) he's very ambivalent. He's not sure where his allegiance lies. He's friends with Professor X but he also has this urge to spread his wings and find his power with the brotherhood. In X3 he's definitely off the fence. He's decided where he wants to go. He's with the brotherhood and he really is allowed to fully explore his power in this. He's off the leash."
Ratner, Berry, Jackman, McKellen (Storm, Wolverine, Magneto):
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Q: Can you pinpoint a specific element that you put your personal stamp on once you came aboard?
Ratner: Yeah. Like I said, it's been very important for me to stick to the tone that Bryan (Singer) and the actors created. My input really has been just trying to make a more emotional film. A film with more heart and more pathos. I wanted to try and tell a story and act if this is a trilogy and the third in the series. Go in there and not reinvent it, not make it a Brett Ratner film, but stay with the formula that's worked in the past and add more heart. I'm a very emotional guy and I like emotion and I like feeling something in the movie. The audiences care about these characters so much and it was very important to me to stay true to who they were and not try and reinvent it.
Q: For each of you, how have your characters changed between X-Men 2 to X-Men 3? As far as powers, personality?
Berry: Storm has one now [laughs]. The movie for me is still very much an ensemble; that's one of the things I really love about working on X-Men. But this time my character of Storm, not that she's there any more than she ever was, but when she's there she's saying something, she has a definite point of view and that's been really wonderful for me. I know that Brett was really instrumental in making that happen. He always wondered, 'Well what the heck is Storm doing'? He's really been a supporter of just finding a voice for the character. I think I've struggled with that over the years, (Storm is) very much a part of it but not really sure myself what voice Storm was taking from the comic books because it didn't always materialize in the script for me. This time it does.
McKellen: Probably people are thinking, 'Oh I see what happens with these'…well, I'm not going to use that dreaded F word you used. These are films. To call it a 'franchise' as if we're in the business of just making money, I think it's an insult to everybody involved, including the audience. We're telling a very important story, and because we're telling it with the same characters three times over just means that the story is worth telling three times over to be truthful. If you're looking for a totally different view of X-Men, it will be perfectly possible. Our view of X-Men is quite other than the style of comics and the television spin-off. But it would be possible that Brett would be going way down off the Singer path and I've been very impressed that you decided that you absolutely didn't want to do that because you loved so much what Bryan had done. It's a script that we all agree is superior from the start out, to the previous two, and it has a very intriguing hook that gets you involved immediately and emotionally with the characters. But we have the advantage of being the third time around and not having to introduce everyone. No wonder Storm didn't have much to do with it; there were twenty people all fighting to get on the screen somehow. I think things have relaxed a little bit and that's a little more indulgent. Magneto has a bit more to say than he did in the last movie.
There's more from that interview (really interesting stuff too). I'm excited... I'll try and keep posting updates. However, if you have a question, I would go to the link above (Xverse; Kinberg Q and A). He takes time out to answer questions, and theres 39 pages of good ones. Check it out.
Here's some stuff from the set of X3.
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Rumors and Spoilers. (C=confirmed)
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* Cyclops dies early in the film. This was a rumor because of AICN.com's fake script report. Although the writers have kept hush about his character, most indications are that he lives.
* Iceman Ices up in this one. Sounds cool...
* (C) Mystique has a heart breaking scene in the film.
* (C) Pheonix is a powerhouse
* (C) We see Young Charles and Young Magneto. Rumor has it, they'll be Nazi hunters in one part, and the confirmed other half is they meet young Jean Grey.
* (C) No Gambit. Just not enough room for him, and the writers didn't feel a cameo would do him justice. However, they said if there's an X4 he's in, no question (they also want Emma Frost too).
*Trask is being played by Bill Duke. Trask is the man who creats the Sentinels. Are they in this movie? The short answer is yes! We'll, that's based on Wizard Magazines Brett Ratner interview, Trask, and the fact that the Sentinels were a HUGE plot point in #2, but they didn't have the budget for them.
Zak, regarding X2, can you tell us how it was planned to bring Sentinels into the storyline? We've seen the design concept, we know there wasn't the budget to animate them, but how would they have been brought into the story? Was the storyline very different at the time they were mooted? Can you tell us what the general storyline of X2 was when Sentinels were included?
* The storyline was the same, except for the fact that instead of soldiers storming the house, it was prototype sentinels (their first mission.) The third act was in the same location, but Stryker was stealing Cerebro to download the list of all mutants into the Sentinels. (There was no cerebro-weapon thingy) One scene I was particularly into that got cut was, after Stryker activated the Sentinels, their program decided that the only way to really stop the mutant threat was for them to kill all mutants AND all carriers of the mutant gene. Stryker got stuck in a room with one of his own creations, it scanned him and then (because his son was a mutant) killed him.
The finale had Jean pushing the X-Men out and sealing herself in the base and then destorying all ten thousand sentinels in the base in a fiery Phoenix explosion.
Obviously, once they decided to cut the Sentinels, all that had to go.
So... Let's talk X3.
We'll, at first I read that the script was a rush job and Ratner would screw the movie. Two things have changed my mind.
#1. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. This place is Xverse, and one of the writers (click the link) is 1/2 of the writing team. The other Writer Zak Penn also has his own thread (Penn wrote the script for #2, but it was slightly revised and he did not get the writing credit, but he knows X-men so I'm not worried), but Simon responds quicker and usually has better explanations. He does *not give spoilers* away however. Very interesting stuff. Also, Simon Kinberg and Penn are HUGE X-men fans. They've studied Singers first two films, and have promised to keep the same tone of the other movies. Not only that, but they're making it more badass.
#2. The cast loved Brett Ratner. In an interview about him, most of the cast said he gets a bad rap. He's a sociallite, drives nice cars, bangs hot chicks, etc... So people usually associate him with idiots like Hilton. However, he takes movies very serious, and Ian McKellen (I believe) commented that his person life and his professional life do not cross paths, and he is all business as well as being a student of directing. Also, Ratner loves the X-men, so that's a plus. Red Dragon was good, and people like Prison Break as well (some of his newest stuff).
After reading interviews, I'm very pleased with the writers (Kinberg in particular, he seems like a cool guy).
Here are some interviews.
Vinnie Jones (Juggernaut):
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VJ: He (Magneto) breaks me out and says were going to war with the X-Men do you wanna come and I'm like yeah, I got nothing else to do today, lets do it. I become like his main gladiator, he has everyone, and he has Pyro and everybody doing their stuff. But Magneto knows when it gets really tough he sends Juggie in.
Juggernaut Will Be in X-Men 4 and X-Men 5 Too, says Vinnie Jones: “I’ve signed for three, four and five. That was in the deal.” And Vinnie Jones is game for more. “Hopefully, yeah. I want a bigger house.” Is he not perfect for Juggs? Care free and a badass. He also says that he and Wolverine go at it... Sounds awesome.
Brett Ratner:
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Is it true that you were offered the first X-Men?
I was interested in it. I thought Bryan [Singer, director of the first two X-Men films] did a brilliant job of interpreting the comic. People take it for granted. There are things in comics that you have to interpret and visualize for the big screen. Dark Phoenix, for instance, is blowing up planets and galaxies. How do you show her power visually in the film medium? Bryan did a brilliant job of interpreting what existed in the comics, taking all that information and really doing a great visual interpretation of the movie.
How much influence for this film did you take from the fans or fansites?
I'll tell you this: The writers of this movie [Zak Penn and Simon Kinberg] are the biggest X-Men geeks on Earth. I did a test. I said, ''I wanna see a reference for every single scene in this movie.'' I didn't know that they had referenced the comics. I thought that some of the stuff was made up. There are thousands of X-Men comics, but I guarantee you a true X-Men geek can pull something from a comic or even a reference — it doesn't even have to be an entire scene — but it was clear that every single scene was coming from the comic book. These guys know. If I say, ''What was in comic #134?'', these guys can tell you. That's how fanatical they are.
Aaron Stanford (Pyro):
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"He's become Magneto's right hand man in this movie (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) and in X2 (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) he's very ambivalent. He's not sure where his allegiance lies. He's friends with Professor X but he also has this urge to spread his wings and find his power with the brotherhood. In X3 he's definitely off the fence. He's decided where he wants to go. He's with the brotherhood and he really is allowed to fully explore his power in this. He's off the leash."
Ratner, Berry, Jackman, McKellen (Storm, Wolverine, Magneto):
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Q: Can you pinpoint a specific element that you put your personal stamp on once you came aboard?
Ratner: Yeah. Like I said, it's been very important for me to stick to the tone that Bryan (Singer) and the actors created. My input really has been just trying to make a more emotional film. A film with more heart and more pathos. I wanted to try and tell a story and act if this is a trilogy and the third in the series. Go in there and not reinvent it, not make it a Brett Ratner film, but stay with the formula that's worked in the past and add more heart. I'm a very emotional guy and I like emotion and I like feeling something in the movie. The audiences care about these characters so much and it was very important to me to stay true to who they were and not try and reinvent it.
Q: For each of you, how have your characters changed between X-Men 2 to X-Men 3? As far as powers, personality?
Berry: Storm has one now [laughs]. The movie for me is still very much an ensemble; that's one of the things I really love about working on X-Men. But this time my character of Storm, not that she's there any more than she ever was, but when she's there she's saying something, she has a definite point of view and that's been really wonderful for me. I know that Brett was really instrumental in making that happen. He always wondered, 'Well what the heck is Storm doing'? He's really been a supporter of just finding a voice for the character. I think I've struggled with that over the years, (Storm is) very much a part of it but not really sure myself what voice Storm was taking from the comic books because it didn't always materialize in the script for me. This time it does.
McKellen: Probably people are thinking, 'Oh I see what happens with these'…well, I'm not going to use that dreaded F word you used. These are films. To call it a 'franchise' as if we're in the business of just making money, I think it's an insult to everybody involved, including the audience. We're telling a very important story, and because we're telling it with the same characters three times over just means that the story is worth telling three times over to be truthful. If you're looking for a totally different view of X-Men, it will be perfectly possible. Our view of X-Men is quite other than the style of comics and the television spin-off. But it would be possible that Brett would be going way down off the Singer path and I've been very impressed that you decided that you absolutely didn't want to do that because you loved so much what Bryan had done. It's a script that we all agree is superior from the start out, to the previous two, and it has a very intriguing hook that gets you involved immediately and emotionally with the characters. But we have the advantage of being the third time around and not having to introduce everyone. No wonder Storm didn't have much to do with it; there were twenty people all fighting to get on the screen somehow. I think things have relaxed a little bit and that's a little more indulgent. Magneto has a bit more to say than he did in the last movie.
There's more from that interview (really interesting stuff too). I'm excited... I'll try and keep posting updates. However, if you have a question, I would go to the link above (Xverse; Kinberg Q and A). He takes time out to answer questions, and theres 39 pages of good ones. Check it out.
Here's some stuff from the set of X3.
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Rumors and Spoilers. (C=confirmed)
____________________
* Cyclops dies early in the film. This was a rumor because of AICN.com's fake script report. Although the writers have kept hush about his character, most indications are that he lives.
* Iceman Ices up in this one. Sounds cool...
* (C) Mystique has a heart breaking scene in the film.
* (C) Pheonix is a powerhouse
* (C) We see Young Charles and Young Magneto. Rumor has it, they'll be Nazi hunters in one part, and the confirmed other half is they meet young Jean Grey.
* (C) No Gambit. Just not enough room for him, and the writers didn't feel a cameo would do him justice. However, they said if there's an X4 he's in, no question (they also want Emma Frost too).
*Trask is being played by Bill Duke. Trask is the man who creats the Sentinels. Are they in this movie? The short answer is yes! We'll, that's based on Wizard Magazines Brett Ratner interview, Trask, and the fact that the Sentinels were a HUGE plot point in #2, but they didn't have the budget for them.
Zak, regarding X2, can you tell us how it was planned to bring Sentinels into the storyline? We've seen the design concept, we know there wasn't the budget to animate them, but how would they have been brought into the story? Was the storyline very different at the time they were mooted? Can you tell us what the general storyline of X2 was when Sentinels were included?
* The storyline was the same, except for the fact that instead of soldiers storming the house, it was prototype sentinels (their first mission.) The third act was in the same location, but Stryker was stealing Cerebro to download the list of all mutants into the Sentinels. (There was no cerebro-weapon thingy) One scene I was particularly into that got cut was, after Stryker activated the Sentinels, their program decided that the only way to really stop the mutant threat was for them to kill all mutants AND all carriers of the mutant gene. Stryker got stuck in a room with one of his own creations, it scanned him and then (because his son was a mutant) killed him.
The finale had Jean pushing the X-Men out and sealing herself in the base and then destorying all ten thousand sentinels in the base in a fiery Phoenix explosion.
Obviously, once they decided to cut the Sentinels, all that had to go.
So... Let's talk X3.