Merged: Beck just got cut!!!

[ZachThomas76]

It's funny, when Jeff Ireland made the statement that Miami has "three terrific quarterbacks." It was funny how the Pro Beck contingent took it and ran with it. "Hey X, you see.... Jeff Ireland said we have 'three terrific quarterbacks' so that means he must like Beck!" Uh.... No. What Ireland meant is what some of us we're saying all along. Ireland said Beck was "terrific" because he was trying to keep up his value in order to get something for him. When the team couldn't get anything of value for him, you saw last night how the team really thought of Beck. They released him. So much for "terrific."

Ya, it honestly blew my mind some people could be so gullible. I honestly think a part of them knew Beck was on borrowed time, but it was all they had to cling to at the time.

[kizzaboo]

It's funny, when Jeff Ireland made the statement that Miami has "three terrific quarterbacks." It was funny how the Pro Beck contingent took it and ran with it. "Hey X, you see.... Jeff Ireland said we have 'three terrific quarterbacks' so that means he must like Beck!" Uh.... No. What Ireland meant is what some of us we're saying all along. Ireland said Beck was "terrific" because he was trying to keep up his value in order to get something for him. When the team couldn't get anything of value for him, you saw last night how the team really thought of Beck. They released him. So much for "terrific."

Great, I agree. No arguement here with this part of the Beck debate. I think it is obviously that this organization doesnt like Beck. I have acknoweldged this for quite some time. The problem is that a lot of people are acting like complete jackasses (*cough* X-Pacolypse) that it is so reminiscent of the annoying-class-clown-back-when-you-were-little-that-wasnt-funny-at-all-and-is-probably-only-looking-for-attention, its sickening and quite annoying.

[ZachThomas76]

Great, I agree. No arguement here with this part of the Beck debate. I think it is obviously that this organization doesnt like Beck. I have acknoweldged this for quite some time. The problem is that a lot of people are acting like complete jackasses (*cough* X-Pacolypse) that it is so reminiscent of the annoying-class-clown-back-when-you-were-little-that-wasnt-funny-at-all-and-is-probably-only-looking-for-attention, its sickening and quite annoying.

Unfortunately, alot of people didnt agree with this take and behaved like children. Telling me 5000 times Beck is still a Phin, Beck is still a Phin, so the FO obviously likes him. The reality is, some just need to man up, admit they were 100% wrong in terms of John Becks future or value with the Phins, and move on. But if Ive learned anything about these posters, now they will just harp on how unfairly he was treated and skew the issue we had all debated recently, which was will Beck be here in September.

[4THand10]

It's funny, when Jeff Ireland made the statement that Miami has "three terrific quarterbacks." It was funny how the Pro Beck contingent took it and ran with it. "Hey X, you see.... Jeff Ireland said we have 'three terrific quarterbacks' so that means he must like Beck!" Uh.... No. What Ireland meant is what some of us we're saying all along. Ireland said Beck was "terrific" because he was trying to keep up his value in order to get something for him. When the team couldn't get anything of value for him, you saw last night how the team really thought of Beck. They released him. So much for "terrific."

Ireland was talking about the 2 Chads and Ronnie Brown as the 3 terrific QB's :lol2:.Ronnie had more pass attempts then baby boy Beck.:lol:

[MDFINFAN]

Unfortunately, alot of people didnt agree with this take and behaved like children. Telling me 5000 times Beck is still a Phin, Beck is still a Phin, so the FO obviously likes him. The reality is, some just need to man up, admit they were 100% wrong in terms of John Becks future or value with the Phins, and move on. But if Ive learned anything about these posters, now they will just harp on how unfairly he was treated and skew the issue we had all debated recently, which was will Beck be here in September.

Here's a good article on the conclusion of Beck's career here, I personally wish him good luck and a team that stands behind him..it's hard to do good when you don't feel you're wanted..

Dolphins: Beck a cautionary tale of draft hope



I went and visited Beck in Utah shortly after the draft and wrote an upbeat, introductory column for a guy pegged as the future arm of the franchise. He was impossible not to like. If you met him, you rooted for him.

Then everything failed him. Cam Cameron, a supposed quarterback guru, actually told Beck he wanted him to fail in the meaningless fourth preseason game against the Saints and, to prove it, started him with a bunch of scrubs. Then Cameron didn't do anything but work him with the scout team the next couple of months.

The plan was obvious: Let Beck sit his entire rookie year. Not a bad plan, either. Except Trent Green went down, Cleo Lemon was Cleo Lemon, the team was awful and suddenly Beck needed to be thrown out there for hope, if nothing else. Developed awfully, surrounded by awful talent, he was equally awful.

From there came the regime change and, well, Beck was doomed. He looked OK for a while, then bad in camp. And then whatever chance he had evaporated when Chad Pennington fell from the sky.
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[SpaceMountain16]

Not trading him was stupid.

[ZachThomas76]

Not trading him was stupid.
Drafting him was stupid.

[X-Pacolypse]

Ireland was talking about the 2 Chads and Ronnie Brown as the 3 terrific QB's :lol2:.Ronnie had more pass attempts then baby boy Beck.:lol:

Or for that matter, Pat White.

[4THand10]

Not trading him was stupid.

And who wanted him?They have been trying to trade him for 2 years and nobody wanted him.
:crazy:

[X-Pacolypse]

Drafting him was stupid.

What would have been more stupid is if Cam and Randy had traded back up in the first round to get him. They were contemplating doing that, thank goodness they didn't. If people think that there is hate and vitriol now for Beck.... Imagine if he was a first round pick.

[MDFINFAN]

What's the deal on a long thread about Beck being cut...the guy's gone now..why are everyone arguring the merits of should he've stayed or not.. When he was first drafted, everyone here did researched and liked what they saw...none of us knew Cam wasn't going to develope the guy right off the bat..instead use him on PS prep of our D. He needed reps in practice and got none. Then throwed into the lion's den of a horrible team and season...loss confidence and that was it for him...never to recover.. that was the wrong way to bring in a young QB to the NFL.. we all know it...you have to have a talented team around a young guy if you want any semblance of winning and confidence building...asked Marino, he started behind a OL that had just come off a SB..that's how to start a young QB.. A team that couldn't stop a JV highschool team from sacking the QB was the wrong way to go CAM.. But it is what it is..and we've moved on, and so should you guys on this person..he's free to find solace elsewhere and I'm focus on what's here...join me...

[SpaceMountain16]

And who wanted him?They have been trying to trade him for 2 years and nobody wanted him.
:crazy:

The Cowboys were reportedly interested LAST year, but they kept Beck for no apparent reason even with Henne in place. I'd be stunned if we couldn't get at least a 7th round pick for Beck.

[finjim]

personally I hope Beck thrives somewhere else. I think he got a raw deal. I hope there are threads in here one day lamenting the day we let him go.

[TedSlimmJr]

And yet his offense was able to do enough to beat MIA.

Hate on Beck...I guess Ginn is the next to go. He is a Cam product.

Tried to get that point across to the Speedingnerd's R US squad as well....

Ginn is the next one out the door....I guarantee you you couldn't drive a needle in his *** with a sledgehammer right now...

[kizzaboo]

Unfortunately, alot of people didnt agree with this take and behaved like children. Telling me 5000 times Beck is still a Phin, Beck is still a Phin, so the FO obviously likes him. The reality is, some just need to man up, admit they were 100% wrong in terms of John Becks future or value with the Phins, and move on. But if Ive learned anything about these posters, now they will just harp on how unfairly he was treated and skew the issue we had all debated recently, which was will Beck be here in September.

Both sides have acted childish in this whole thing. I think what is also being missed out of this is the fact that posters on the other side have been equally bad and I would say worse.

Attacking ones religion, sexuality, 'manhood', is just pathetic.

I dont even need to touch why it is so disgusting that posters harp on Becks religion or sexuality.

To have the gall to attack his 'manhood' or his 'toughness' is pretty ****ed up. How in the hell does anyone know if he is respected or not? No one knows whether not he is as much of a ***** as many say he is. IMO that is way too self serving to believe that any one person outside of the Dolphins organization can make that kind of assessment.

Did someone see him cry after he got sacked or something? I don't get it honestly.

You are right this regime does not like Beck, but I think it needs to be realized that he was set up to fail. That isnt making up excuses either. Beck sure as hell could have performed better after Parcells got here. At the same time I think it is hard to say that he really did all that bad, and one of the underlining issues is that Beck was not this regime's guy and so ones chances at doing anything meaningful with that team deminishes greatly.

Everyone knows Parcells likes his own guys, so if he comes to your team and you:
-just completed your rookie season
-your old ****ty coach that drafted you is gone
-played with a bad team (1-15) and you played not the best but not the worst yourself considering the situation
-the new regime drafts a QB in the 2nd.
-Pennington falls from the sky

Most people dont think the prior in aqua are excuses- it is merely the situation at hand and it certainly doesnt bode well for any QB in this situation.

Will Beck ever be good? Maybe, maybe not. I have my doubts but I also have reason to believe that he can do something significant.

[X-Pacolypse]

Both sides have acted childish in this whole thing. I think what is also being missed out of this is the fact that posters on the other side have been equally bad and I would say worse.

Attacking ones religion, sexuality, 'manhood', is just pathetic.

I dont even need to touch why it is so disgusting that posters harp on Becks religion or sexuality.



Did someone see him cry after he got sacked or something? I don't get it honestly.

Two things. One, I don't recall anyone taking a shot at his sexuality. Kind of hard to do when the guy is married and has two kids. Secondly, while John Beck never cried in Miami it is actually true that John Beck cried after a loss at BYU.

[xflashx]

ROTFL!!! OMFG!!!! LOL!!!! Hey Wv, XPacolypse, TeddSlimm, ZachThomas, Rev Kev!!! Watch what Beck does at 18 seconds into this video...

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He F*ckin fumbled the cards!!! LOL!!! OMFG, he has the worst hands I've ever seen in my life! this is too f*cking funny!! I'm saving that video.

[xflashx]

Dude this is the second time you've tried to slam FTP.
Do you have a Man crush on him and he spurned your affections?


Man crush?? If I had a man crush wouldn't I be defending him kinda like you do in every Beck thread? And...I wouldn't of had to post it twice if my post wasn't deleted. You Beck lovers intelligence level is just as good as John Becks talent level in the NFL.:lol:

[moonman]

I heard he's about to sign with Detroit.

[67Stang]

Beck isn't a Phin anymore, who gives a flying ****? As for the little people who think they have won something by his release...congrats LOL. It just goes to show by how much you are gloating on here how shallow you are. I can't speak for everyone who is a quote unquote Beck supporter, but most of my statements about "Beck is still a Phin" was made just because I found humor in how much it made your blood boil and obviously still does. I still stand by what I have always said, he was given a raw deal. I never said he was all that. I wish him the best where ever he lands. As for the 3rd grade posts about I told you so, get the **** over yourself, it's embarrassing.

[phinphever]

Man crush?? If I had a man crush wouldn't I be defending him kinda like you do in every Beck thread? And...I wouldn't of had to post it twice if my post wasn't deleted. You Beck lovers intelligence level is just as good as John Becks talent level in the NFL.:lol:

Your ignorance is astounding. Think it was deleted for a reason.
I am not a Beck lover. I am a dolphin fan and don't like guys getting slammed. I am someone who roots for the underdog. John Beck has been a underdog sence Parcells came here. I really didn''t care at all until you clowns started bashing him then I had to support him. I have no respect for the average fan because they are so clueless. I can't stand conventional wisdom and bandwagon jummping.

I will root for who I like. I will support who I like.
Not your or any of your other clown friends can stop me.
You can't stand it that somone may support Beck.
Everyone must conform to your "expert opinion".
You know what, You don't work for a NFL team.
If Parcells Cuts him then he is cut even if I think he should get a chance, but thats the breaks. I know I am not a NFL expert. I don't claim to be. I also know your not either. In the last year look up most of my posts you will find my stance on Beck has been that we don't know what we had it him. And that I thought we shouldn't discard him so easily.
That is not being a Beck lover. That is being objective, thoughtful and not prone to rash judgement.

[kizzaboo]

Two things. One, I don't recall anyone taking a shot at his sexuality. Kind of hard to do when the guy is married and has two kids. Secondly, while John Beck never cried in Miami it is actually true that John Beck cried after a loss at BYU.

Go back a couple pages and press CTRL f virginity.

As for the latter, you would be surprised at how many football player from ages 8-37 cried after a season ending football game. Pee-Wee, middle school, high school, college to the pros players do get emotional.

Its an emotional game, Ive seen it happen first hand two times in high school, we've seen player greats get emotional at their retirement speeches. So for those players that I have seen get that way and the greats that we have seen retire, I would hardly call them soft or lacking 'balls'.

[xflashx]

Your ignorance is astounding. Think it was deleted for a reason.
I am not a Beck lover. I am a dolphin fan and don't like guys getting slammed. I am someone who roots for the underdog. John Beck has been a underdog sence Parcells came here. I really didn''t care at all until you clowns started bashing him then I had to support him. I have no respect for the average fan because they are so clueless. I can't stand conventional wisdom and bandwagon jummping.

I will root for who I like. I will support who I like.
Not your or any of your other clown friends can stop me.
You can't stand it that somone may support Beck.
Everyone must conform to your "expert opinion".
You know what, You don't work for a NFL team.
If Parcells Cuts him then he is cut even if I think he should get a chance, but thats the breaks. I know I am not a NFL expert. I don't claim to be. I also know your not either. In the last year look up most of my posts you will find my stance on Beck has been that we don't know what we had it him. And that I thought we shouldn't discard him so easily.
That is not being a Beck lover. That is being objective, thoughtful and not prone to rash judgement.


My post was deleted for a reason?? I biased reason. I made a joke. Its the ****ing internet man! How are you so easily offended by the stupidest ****. Its quite bizarre. I guess we're not in america I guess I'm not entitled to freedom of speech.

So... you join sides of someone just for the sake of argument is what your saying? "No one likes Beck so I'll defend him cause that makes him an underdog", Beck was never a underdog. He was highly praised by alot of us before his true colors showed. He isn't a bad person and no one is questioning that but the dude is a bum. He is one of the worst if not the worst QB I've ever seen in a dolphins uniform.

If you can't hold on to the ball when snapped when you've played football your whole life there is something wrong. You can say I have no intelligence but really you don't need any intelligence to see John Beck sucks at QB. Usually, if QB's haven't developed by his age they never do. You can say he's only been in the league for 2 years but he's old man his brain isn't able to adjust to what his tendencies already are and thats the true problem with Beck. He seems like a smart guy maybe he would be a good offensive coordinator. Cameron seems to evaluate QB's pretty good so maybe he could still be a good QB but as of right now he's not. We have QB's who will be better off learning our system and developing into something great. Its not worth putting all our eggs into one basket cause we aren't sure of Beck. All that matters is the trifecta obviously sees that Beck doesn't have what it takes so that should be easy for you to understand that he is not a QB worth holding onto.

[Doe or Die]

I don't know if anyone was listening to Mad Dog today, but his story of him having lunch with Cam Cameron one afternoon and how exactly the conversation went when Beck was brought up was pretty funny... the fact that Cam thought the dude was a scrub after drafting him says a lot, i'm surprised he lasted this long

[Marino2GinnTD]

Beck sucks!!!! I'm so happy.

[4THand10]

The Cowboys were reportedly interested LAST year, but they kept Beck for no apparent reason even with Henne in place. I'd be stunned if we couldn't get at least a 7th round pick for Beck.

They might have been intrested in him but yet they didn't offer nothing for him.

[ZachThomas76]

Beck isn't a Phin anymore, who gives a flying ****? As for the little people who think they have won something by his release...congrats LOL. It just goes to show by how much you are gloating on here how shallow you are. I can't speak for everyone who is a quote unquote Beck supporter, but most of my statements about "Beck is still a Phin" was made just because I found humor in how much it made your blood boil and obviously still does. I still stand by what I have always said, he was given a raw deal. I never said he was all that. I wish him the best where ever he lands. As for the 3rd grade posts about I told you so, get the **** over yourself, it's embarrassing.

Do you still stand by Jeff Irelands "3 terrific qbs" answer. Remember now Stang, as you and Ebozz pointed many times, Jeff Ireland was asked a question about Mike Vick and CHOSE to respond the way he did. So obviously he likes John Becks abilities, right? Way to manup homeslice. I could care less about some internet pissing contest, what makes me laugh at you is what I said before. You laughing at me telling me I had no idea what I was talking about regarding Jeff Ireland being molded in a Parcells way, and always speaking half truths and displaying a poker face with the media. Oh I get it now, you were just kidding that whole time. Good one. :hi5:

[X-Pacolypse]

Do you still stand by Jeff Irelands "3 terrific qbs" answer. Remember now Stang, as you and Ebozz pointed many times, Jeff Ireland was asked a question about Mike Vick and CHOSE to respond the way he did. So obviously he likes John Becks abilities, right? Way to manup homeslice. I could care less about some internet pissing contest, what makes me laugh at you is what I said before. You laughing at me telling me I had no idea what I was talking about regarding Jeff Ireland being molded in a Parcells way, and always speaking half truths and displaying a poker face with the media. Oh I get it now, you were just kidding that whole time. Good one. :hi5:

Nice!

[phinphever]

My post was deleted for a reason?? I biased reason. I made a joke. Its the ****ing internet man! How are you so easily offended by the stupidest ****. Its quite bizarre. I guess we're not in america I guess I'm not entitled to freedom of speech.

So... you join sides of someone just for the sake of argument is what your saying? "No one likes Beck so I'll defend him cause that makes him an underdog", Beck was never a underdog. He was highly praised by alot of us before his true colors showed. He isn't a bad person and no one is questioning that but the dude is a bum. He is one of the worst if not the worst QB I've ever seen in a dolphins uniform.

If you can't hold on to the ball when snapped when you've played football your whole life there is something wrong. You can say I have no intelligence but really you don't need any intelligence to see John Beck sucks at QB. Usually, if QB's haven't developed by his age they never do. You can say he's only been in the league for 2 years but he's old man his brain isn't able to adjust to what his tendencies already are and thats the true problem with Beck. He seems like a smart guy maybe he would be a good offensive coordinator. Cameron seems to evaluate QB's pretty good so maybe he could still be a good QB but as of right now he's not. We have QB's who will be better off learning our system and developing into something great. Its not worth putting all our eggs into one basket cause we aren't sure of Beck. All that matters is the trifecta obviously sees that Beck doesn't have what it takes so that should be easy for you to understand that he is not a QB worth holding onto.

According to the terms of the TOS you don't have free speech here.
When I see ingorance and stupidity I call it out. THe mods have complete power to determine your status here. You were bashing a fellow Finhaven member. You cried about it getting deleted. Don't violate the TOS and you won't get your posts deleted.

[X-Pacolypse]

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[phinphever]

Look, I may have gotten off on a tangent here. I don't mean to be combative about this. I just should driven by things other than a need to win an argument. There are other things in life that are more important than why, what or when about Beck or any other player.

I try to live up to certain principles and values. Like any other person I am flawed an imperfect. I have since a child loved stories of the old Teutonic knights and the Knights Templar of the Middle ages. I think chivalry and Honor were not just by words then as they are now. They were taught to live up to a code of honor.
I have tried an sometimes failed to live up to my own values. Like anyone else I am a work in progress.
The values I hold are simple.
• Honesty
• Reverence
• Hope
• Thrift
• Humility
• Charity
• Sincerity
• Moderation
• Hard work
• Courage
• Personal responsibility
• Friendship

Please under stand I have a view of football that takes into account these values.
So while I know that in the NFL today winning is everything I can't view it that way. Some of the traditions and value we hold are to me more important. I am passionate about football. I am not always right and sometimes can be a jerk. I wanted to win the argument just as bad as some of you. This is obviously at odds with my own Values and must admit I was pissed at the what I felt was unfair treatment of Beck. Also understand it's not anything particular about Beck it could have been anyone of the other players. Please understand this and let's move on from the debacle of John Beck.

[rev kev]

Look, I may have gotten off on a tangent here. I don't mean to be combative about this. I just should driven by things other than a need to win an argument. There are other things in life that are more important than why, what or when about Beck or any other player.

I try to live up to certain principles and values. Like any other person I am flawed an imperfect. I have since a child loved stories of the old Teutonic knights and the Knights Templar of the Middle ages. I think chivalry and Honor were not just by words then as they are now. They were taught to live up to a code of honor.
I have tried an sometimes failed to live up to my own values. Like anyone else I am a work in progress.
The values I hold are simple.
• Honesty
• Reverence
• Hope
• Thrift
• Humility
• Charity
• Sincerity
• Moderation
• Hard work
• Courage
• Personal responsibility
• Friendship

Please under stand I have a view of football that takes into account these values.
So while I know that in the NFL today winning is everything I can't view it that way. Some of the traditions and value we hold are to me more important. I am passionate about football. I am not always right and sometimes can be a jerk. I wanted to win the argument just as bad as some of you. The is obviously at odds with my own Values and must admit I was pissed at the what I felt was unfair treatment of Beck. Also understand it's not anything particular about Beck it could have been anyone of the other players. Please understand this and let's move on from the debacle of John Beck.

Good post :up:

[WVDolphan]

I don't know if anyone was listening to Mad Dog today, but his story of him having lunch with Cam Cameron one afternoon and how exactly the conversation went when Beck was brought up was pretty funny... the fact that Cam thought the dude was a scrub after drafting him says a lot, i'm surprised he lasted this long

Id like to hear the story.

[rev kev]

Id like to hear the story.

I like a good story to if it's true...

[X-Pacolypse]

I don't know if anyone was listening to Mad Dog today, but his story of him having lunch with Cam Cameron one afternoon and how exactly the conversation went when Beck was brought up was pretty funny... the fact that Cam thought the dude was a scrub after drafting him says a lot, i'm surprised he lasted this long

I would LOVE to hear this story.

[enduro]

Look, I may have gotten off on a tangent here. I don't mean to be combative about this. I just should driven by things other than a need to win an argument. There are other things in life that are more important than why, what or when about Beck or any other player.

I try to live up to certain principles and values. Like any other person I am flawed an imperfect. I have since a child loved stories of the old Teutonic knights and the Knights Templar of the Middle ages. I think chivalry and Honor were not just by words then as they are now. They were taught to live up to a code of honor.
I have tried an sometimes failed to live up to my own values. Like anyone else I am a work in progress.
The values I hold are simple.
• Honesty
• Reverence
• Hope
• Thrift
• Humility
• Charity
• Sincerity
• Moderation
• Hard work
• Courage
• Personal responsibility
• Friendship

Please under stand I have a view of football that takes into account these values.
So while I know that in the NFL today winning is everything I can't view it that way. Some of the traditions and value we hold are to me more important. I am passionate about football. I am not always right and sometimes can be a jerk. I wanted to win the argument just as bad as some of you. This is obviously at odds with my own Values and must admit I was pissed at the what I felt was unfair treatment of Beck. Also understand it's not anything particular about Beck it could have been anyone of the other players. Please understand this and let's move on from the debacle of John Beck.

A Scout is Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly,. Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave,. Clean, and Reverent. I cant believe i still remember that ****z. :crazy:

[X-Pacolypse]

A Scout is Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly,. Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave,. Clean, and Reverent. I cant believe i still remember that ****z. :crazy:

I can't even tell how long it been since I've heard that. It's been at least 10 years.

[Vaark]

Look, I may have gotten off on a tangent here. I don't mean to be combative about this. I just should driven by things other than a need to win an argument. There are other things in life that are more important than why, what or when about Beck or any other player.

I try to live up to certain principles and values.

That could not have been better expressed. Thank you.

I've been long been accused of being a "Beck Worshipper" because, like you, I was raised to stick up for, respect, and support members of my family - and that to do otherwise was disloyal and from a karmic standpoint, negative energy that's bound to bounce back to bite you sooner or later. With so many divisional enemies worthy of disdain, ridicule and hatred, I just find it hard to understand the focusing of all this enmity on our own players, especially when they're trying their best, not goldbricking whether it's gonna be enough , -or not as in JB's case. The way I was brought up, it's a natural instinct to stand up for and respect your own, be it family, friends or team.

Years ago, I coached my son's Little League team and was always pissed at fathers who complained that their kids didn't get enough at bats, even when we won.. or told me that I shouldn't continue to give some of the more developmental kids more playing time since their kids were better (which in many cases, they were deluding themselves.). I tried to instill a sense of "team loyalty " among my kids despite what their parents were preaching. One time, I literally would have stomped one mean-spirted, insulting azzhole father into the next zipcode if my then wife hadn't physically stepped in between us. I make no apologies about how I stand up for people on my side- it's a reflex reaction to defend the good guys who are trying their best on my behalf. Sure, that doesn't mean accepting mediocrity or overlooking goldbricking, but there's also a line that IMO should not be crossed.

[TedSlimmJr]

That could not have been better expressed. Thank you.

I've been long been accused of being a "Beck Worshipper" because, like you, I was raised to stick up for, respect, and support members of my family - and that to do otherwise was disloyal and from a karmic standpoint, negative energy that's bound to bounce back to bite you sooner or later. With so many divisional enemies worthy of disdain, ridicule and hatred, I just find it hard to understand the focusing of all this enmity on our own players, especially when they're trying their best, not goldbricking whether it's gonna be enough , -or not as in JB's case. The way I was brought up, it's a natural instinct to stand up for and respect your own, be it family, friends or team.

Years ago, I coached my son's Little League team and was always pissed at fathers who complained that their kids didn't get enough at bats, even when we won.. or told me that I shouldn't continue to give some of the more developmental kids more playing time since their kids were better (which in many cases, they were deluding themselves.). I tried to instill a sense of "team loyalty " among my kids despite what their parents were preaching. One time, I literally would have stomped one mean-spirted, insulting azzhole father into the next zipcode if my then wife hadn't physically stepped in between us. I make no apologies about how I stand up for people on my side- it's a reflex reaction to defend the good guys who are trying their best on my behalf. Sure, that doesn't mean accepting mediocrity or overlooking goldbricking, but there's also a line that IMO should not be crossed.



I don't think you'll find one person that disagrees with the substance....

The difference for some people is.....they're able to seperate members of their family from a player the team they choose to follow used a 2nd round draft pick on....lol :crazy:

Just because someone walks in the facility and tosses a Dolphins cap on their head and is included on the payroll..... doesn't automatically make them a Miami Dolphin.....not to me anyway...

They have to earn the right to be called a Miami Dolphin....and they have to earn it ON and OFF the football field....

The only thing John Beck managed to do ON the football field was make a lot of people embarrassed that this talentless clown represented their organization.....John Beck's outstanding OFF field character couldn't....and never will overcome his inability to perform against professional athletes when the bullets are flying...

Let's be real here....noone wishes harm on John Beck.....some just wish for a better player on their football team....and John Beck isn't the only one either...

People that have worked and dedicated 30 years of their life to a company to feed their familly have been losing thier jobs left and right.....and you expect people to feel sorry for this guy?

[ebozzz]

I've got a question. Why is this story from Mad Dog surfacing now? One would think that this would have been revealed long before now....

[ebozzz]

hey ebozz, stil lthink Jeff Ireland was telling the truth? you actually seem like a pretty cool poster so ill leave it at that.

Zach,

Neither of us really knows but when I consider how they addressed inquiries regarding other topics I have to think that there was a good chance that he felt that way when he made those statements. We still have not seen enough to tell if Beck is good or bad as an NFL QB. The FO obviously felt that he doesn't fit the needs of the team so he's gone. No tears from me on that.

Even they have not seen enough of Beck to be absolutely sure that he would not work in Miami. They made a judgment call based on the information that they had. He may turn out to be a good QB if he is given a legitimate chance in the right setting and he may also bomb in that same setting.

He's not a member of the Dolphins any longer. The people who call the shots made the decision to let him go and I'm fine with that decision. I hope that Beck gets a chance to play elsewhere and that he does well. If he every does become successful enough to warrant playing time and faces Miami, he's got to get smacked down! Thanks for the comments about me being a cool poster. I try to be but of course, I'm only human. I have flaws just as everyone else does... :up:

[ZachThomas76]

So if Cam Cameron thought Beck was a buffoon, why did he spend a 2nd round pick on the guy? I think Cam Cameron is the buffoon. Mad Dog should ask Cam how Ted Ginns impact on ST has been. Ask him how Satele has been handling NT's. I cant believe Baltimore even let that doofus in their draft room. For the record, all Ive ever said is I dont think John Beck is an NFL starting qb, or even close to it. Has nothing to do with him as a person.

[X-Pacolypse]

So if Cam Cameron thought Beck was a buffoon, why did he spend a 2nd round pick on the guy? I think Cam Cameron is the buffoon. Mad Dog should ask Cam how Ted Ginns impact on ST has been. Ask him how Satele has been handling NT's. I cant believe Baltimore even let that doofus in their draft room. For the record, all Ive ever said is I dont think John Beck is an NFL starting qb, or even close to it. Has nothing to do with him as a person.

So what is the story, again? Mandich sat down with Cameron one afternoon and admitted to the Mad Dog that Beck is a bust?

[ZachThomas76]

So what is the story, again? Mandich sat down with Cameron one afternoon and admitted to the Mad Dog that Beck is a bust?

I have no idea, just going off that one post in this thread that said Cam thought he was a buffoon or something. Does anyone have the actual interview or is this just one of those "i heard him say it " things? on a side note, is anyone concerned about FTP? the little guy has dropped off the face of the earth.

[X-Pacolypse]

I have no idea, just going off that one post in this thread that said Cam thought he was a buffoon or something. Does anyone have the actual interview or is this just one of those "i heard him say it " things? on a side note, is anyone concerned about FTP? the little guy has dropped off the face of the earth.

Yeah, if anybody heard the interview or has it, please feel free to share it. I want details, this is too good to be kept hidden away.

[ZachThomas76]

Yeah, if anybody heard the interview or has it, please feel free to share it. I want details, this is too good to be kept hidden away.

Seems a little fishy to be honest. If Cameron thought this of Beck, why draft him in the 2nd Round. I think Cam panicked on draft day after the uproar of passing on Quinn for Teddy, and then took Beck in the 2nd and acted as if this was the plan all along. Either that, or hes just a complete idiot, which is more likely. If Cameron really did say that about Beck, thats pretty classless, but I dont think I can hate Cam anymore than I already do.

[ebozzz]

Do you still stand by Jeff Irelands "3 terrific qbs" answer. Remember now Stang, as you and Ebozz pointed many times, Jeff Ireland was asked a question about Mike Vick and CHOSE to respond the way he did. So obviously he likes John Becks abilities, right? Way to manup homeslice. I could care less about some internet pissing contest, what makes me laugh at you is what I said before. You laughing at me telling me I had no idea what I was talking about regarding Jeff Ireland being molded in a Parcells way, and always speaking half truths and displaying a poker face with the media. Oh I get it now, you were just kidding that whole time. Good one. :hi5:

Zach,

People lose jobs all the time. I lost mine in mid-January. Not because I was a bad employee or couldn't perform up to expectations. In the final meeting that I had when I was advised about the decision to let me go, I never really got a clear reason as to why. One thing that was raised was that there had been several complaints about me from various sources. When I asked why I had never told of these complaints before, my said boss said that there simply had not been enough time to do so. :confused: I also never got any of the specific allegations. No times, no dates and very general bits & pieces of information. :err:

I only saw this person on a daily basis so I truly think that at some point the topic could have been raised if they really wanted me to be aware of those concerns. I mean, these complaints supposedly took place over the course of several months. It seems kind of strange to me and there were other things that seemed just as strange or maybe even more so. I was given a two week notice. I performed my job with a high degree of integrity until the end of my final day. Many people, including my boss, complemented me for being so professional about the situation.

New management had taken over. I can only speculate but maybe they didn't feel that I was the right fit for the team. Who knows what really took place but I am no longer there. It's actually been a relief for me. I've moved on.

I'm not saying that my experience is the same as Beck's. Sometimes things happen and no one knows except the person calling the shots why certain decisions are made. I know that I was not a bad employee. I performed my job at a high level, worked hard, did my best to work well with the members of my team, etc., etc. I just was not part of their plans.

[SuperMarksBros.]

So Cameron passes on Quinn for Ginn(which i no longer care about, Quinn hasnt proven a thing thus far), and goes on to take Beck. Somewhere in his master plan quest for 1-15, he realized the guy HE drafted despite his qb coach(name escapes me, worked extensively with Quinn leading up to the draft) begging him not to, was a bafoon.

FU CAM CAMERON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! U F***ING IDIOT!!

[ZachThomas76]

Zach,

People lose jobs all the time. I lost mine in mid-January. Not because I was a bad employee or couldn't perform up to expectations. In the final meeting that I had when I was advised about the decision to let me go, I never really got a clear reason as to why. One thing that was raised was that there had been several complaints about me from various sources. When I asked why I had never told of these complaints before, my said boss said that there simply had not been enough time to do so. :confused: I also never got any of the specific allegations. No times, no dates and very general bits & pieces of information. :err:

I only saw this person on a daily basis so I truly think that at some point the topic could have been raised if they really wanted me to be aware of those concerns. I mean, these complaints supposedly took place over the course of several months. It seems kind of strange to me and there were other things that seemed just as strange or maybe even more so. I was given a two week notice. I performed my job with a high degree of integrity until the end of my final day. Many people, including my boss, complemented me for being so professional about the situation.

New management had taken over. I can only speculate but maybe they didn't feel that I was the right fit for the team. Who knows what really took place but I am no longer there. It's actually been a relief for me. I've moved on.

I'm not saying that my experience is the same as Beck's. Sometimes things happen and no one knows except the person calling the shots why certain decisions are made. I know that I was a bad employee. I performed my job at a high level, worked hard, did my best to work well with the members of my team, etc., etc. I just was not part of their plans.

I understand the point you're making. I thought it was obvious Parcells goes with "his guys" and was going to clean house here. In fact, that was the main reason I said Beck would be gone, as did most of us. What I take issue with was being told over and over that Irelands comments and the fact he was still on the roster spoke to the opposite. Im not going to rehash this anymore. Some people were dead wrong on this, so be it. Lets move on now. Im sorry to hear you lost your job. It is sad a bunch of gutless people can make complaints ( ususally unfounded ) if they dont like a person for whatever reason, and it can affect their employment. Ive actually seen a situation where a guy who didnt like another male employee convinced a woman to make a bogus sexual harrassment claim to get him fired. I dont think pathetic is a strong enough word.

[ebozzz]

I understand the point you're making. I thought it was obvious Parcells goes with "his guys" and was going to clean house here. In fact, that was the main reason I said Beck would be gone, as did most of us. What I take issue with was being told over and over that Irelands comments and the fact he was still on the roster spoke to the opposite. Im not going to rehash this anymore. Some people were dead wrong on this, so be it. Lets move on now. Im sorry to hear you lost your job. It is sad a bunch of gutless people can make complaints ( ususally unfounded ) if they dont like a person for whatever reason, and it can affect their employment. Ive actually seen a situation where a guy who didnt like another male employee convinced a woman to make a bogus sexual harrassment claim to get him fired. I dont think pathetic is a strong enough word.

I think that many of us on both sides got a little emotional about the Beck issue. As for me, I can truly say that the only thing that bothered me was the bashing. That's why I felt compelled to respond on so many occasions. Stang made a comment about how pleasing it was to see that it really irked a lot of guys that Beck was still on the team. I'm sure that many got a rise out of upsetting posters that supported Beck just as much, right? :D

The fact that Beck was on the roster indicated that he was most likely the best available option at the time. I never made any suggestion that he was great, going to be great or even good for that matter. I never said that he would definitely be a starter. Not to rehash the entire thing again but the guy was thrown into a situation that left him with very little chance to succeed. I have said this many times but I still do not think that he was given ample opportunity to prove his worth. It's over with though and the bottom line is that I am still a Dolphan.

Back to my job now, I'm still not sure that there ever were real complaints against me. I don't agree with how my employment ended but I think that it is working out for the best. It has already allowed me to be more involved in the lives of my children and to spend more time with my wife. I missed quite a bit when I was with that company due to the hours that I was scheduled. Initially it was tough but I believe that my family's overall quality of life is better now. For that I'm thankful....

[Casas9425]

I heard the segment of Mad Dog's show and he basically said that he and Cam Cameron had dinner a few days before they went to Buffalo to play the Bills and during the dinner Cameron admitted that he made a mistake drafting John Beck.

[ebozzz]

I heard the segment of Mad Dog's show and he basically said that he and Cam Cameron had dinner a few days before they went to Buffalo to play the Bills and during the dinner Cameron admitted that he made a mistake drafting John Beck.

I question the timing of how this information is being released. Why wait until after the guy is gone to say this? Is it just for the ratings?

[X-Pacolypse]

I question the timing of how this information is being released. Why wait until after the guy is gone to say this? Is it just for the ratings?

Probably. Mandich probably felt that since Beck was just released the night before, he might as well come clean with what he knows.

[Casas9425]

Mandich and Cameron are very good friends, both are Michigan guys. This was just probably a conversation between friends that Mandich kept private not too make his friend look like a complete moron.

[ebozzz]

Mandich and Cameron are very good friends, both are Michigan guys. This was just probably a conversation between friends that Mandich kept private not too make his friend look like a complete moron.

That's fair. I didn't know that there was that type of connection.

[67Stang]

Do you still stand by Jeff Irelands "3 terrific qbs" answer. Remember now Stang, as you and Ebozz pointed many times, Jeff Ireland was asked a question about Mike Vick and CHOSE to respond the way he did. So obviously he likes John Becks abilities, right? Way to manup homeslice. I could care less about some internet pissing contest, what makes me laugh at you is what I said before. You laughing at me telling me I had no idea what I was talking about regarding Jeff Ireland being molded in a Parcells way, and always speaking half truths and displaying a poker face with the media. Oh I get it now, you were just kidding that whole time. Good one. :hi5:

Just for the record you still don't know what you are talking about. John Beck got caught in a numbers game when they drafted White. The classy thing to do was release him, like they did ZT last year, so he can sign where he wants to. This changes nothing about the statement he made about having 3 fantastic QB's. They want to do more wild cat stuff and White was available.

[X-Pacolypse]

Just for the record you still don't know what you are talking about. John Beck got caught in a numbers game when they drafted White. The classy thing to do was release him, like they did ZT last year, so he can sign where he wants to. This changes nothing about the statement he made about having 3 fantastic QB's. They want to do more wild cat stuff and White was available.

WOW. Denial at it's finest.

[TedSlimmJr]

WOW. Denial at it's finest.

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This is WAAAAAAYYY past denial.......:crazy:

[MarinoEqualsGod]

I don't understand why this is such a big deal. It happens to players all the time. I was always confused why sooooo many people pinned their hopes on the guy before he ever proved anything.

Because people still associate him with drafting a franchise quarterback (Brady Quinn), who we passed on in the first round.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying Brady Quinn is a franchise QB, but at the time of our draft, he was looked at as a guy that would be the face of our franchise had we picked him #9 overall.

[GoonBoss]

I find this move impossible to believe. Why, recently Ireland said we had three excellent QBs. Why would the FO release an excellent QB? I mean, everything Ireland says we all know is to be taken at face value....It's very curious. This has to be a blunder by the FO...I mean, how many successful teams make a habit of releaseing excellent players?

[xflashx]

I find this move impossible to believe. Why, recently Ireland said we had three excellent QBs. Why would the FO release an excellent QB? I mean, everything Ireland says we all know is to be taken at face value....It's very curious. This has to be a blunder by the FO...I mean, how many successful teams make a habit of releaseing excellent players?

Goon man.... quit trying to make sense as to why Beck was UNFAIRLY treated by this regime. He had to change his release and was worked to death by David Lee so it affected his performance in camp. I know its hard to understand the trifecta's thought process of letting go a future HOFer but their ego is too big to hold onto somone else's draft pick. Beck was a complete professional and the trifecta didn't even give him the respect he deserved for the hard work and dedication he put in. :crazy: LOL!!!

18 seconds into this video John "Butterfingers" Beck fumbles his trading cards!! Its ****ing hilarious!!!

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[WVDolphan]

I don't think you'll find one person that disagrees with the substance....

The difference for some people is.....they're able to seperate members of their family from a player the team they choose to follow used a 2nd round draft pick on....lol :crazy:

Just because someone walks in the facility and tosses a Dolphins cap on their head and is included on the payroll..... doesn't automatically make them a Miami Dolphin.....not to me anyway...

They have to earn the right to be called a Miami Dolphin....and they have to earn it ON and OFF the football field....

The only thing John Beck managed to do ON the football field was make a lot of people embarrassed that this talentless clown represented their organization.....John Beck's outstanding OFF field character couldn't....and never will overcome his inability to perform against professional athletes when the bullets are flying...

Let's be real here....noone wishes harm on John Beck.....some just wish for a better player on their football team....and John Beck isn't the only one either...

People that have worked and dedicated 30 years of their life to a company to feed their familly have been losing thier jobs left and right.....and you expect people to feel sorry for this guy?

Excellent.

Secondly, I find it quite ridiculous to equate a member of your favorite football team to a member of your family. Now that isnt to suggest a player cant become a hero of yours to the point you will always defend him. For instance, I will never bad mouth Dan Marino, nor would I have ever placed blame on him for a negative play. So I can understand that.

So basically what seems to have happened here is a few members here at FH have become huge fans of John Beck and he is a hero to them. Obviously because he is a nice guy and was drafted by the team. It certainly couldnt have been his play. And because of him becoming a favorite of theirs, they now will defend him at all costs. Even if that means equating him to a member of their family.

I just cant understand WHY!!! What did John Beck ever do that made these fans like him so much? Some of them act like he is the only classy guy who has ever put on the uni.

I do have a possible explaination for one of his big fans. I noticed when John Beck dropped back to pass he looked nervous and jittery. Perhaps he wasnt scared or nervous. Perhaps he had the preverbial "ants in his pants" and therefore would explain why an aardvaark is all over his nuts. :lol:

[xflashx]

I do have a possible explaination for one of his big fans. I noticed when John Beck dropped back to pass he looked nervous and jittery. Perhaps he wasnt scared or nervous. Perhaps he had the preverbial "ants in his pants" and therefore would explain why an aardvaark is all over his nuts. :lol:

ROTFL!!!! WV, I must extend my utmost gratitude to your humorous post concerning an individual's audacity to exuberate a response in a condescending tone.:buddwalk::rimshot: :lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2: :rimshot::buddwalk:

[X-Pacolypse]

Just for the record you still don't know what you are talking about. John Beck got caught in a numbers game when they drafted White. The classy thing to do was release him, like they did ZT last year, so he can sign where he wants to. This changes nothing about the statement he made about having 3 fantastic QB's. They want to do more wild cat stuff and White was available.

I would LOVE to hear your explanation for this.

[WVDolphan]

ROTFL!!!! WV, I must extend my utmost gratitude to your humorous post concerning an individual's audacity to exuberate a response in a condescending tone.:lol2::lol2: :rimshot::buddwalk:

Nice post there. :lol: You used audacity and exuberate. :lol: Wow youre so smart bro. :chuckle:

[Vaark]

Excellent.

Secondly, I find it quite ridiculous to equate a member of your favorite football team to a member of your family. Now that isnt to suggest a player cant become a hero of yours to the point you will always defend him. For instance, I will never bad mouth Dan Marino, nor would I have ever placed blame on him for a negative play. So I can understand that.

So basically what seems to have happened here is a few members here at FH have become huge fans of John Beck and he is a hero to them. Obviously because he is a nice guy and was drafted by the team. It certainly couldnt have been his play. And because of him becoming a favorite of theirs, they now will defend him at all costs. Even if that means equating him to a member of their family.

I just cant understand WHY!!! What did John Beck ever do that made these fans like him so much? Some of them act like he is the only classy guy who has ever put on the uni.

I do have a possible explaination for one of his big fans. I noticed when John Beck dropped back to pass he looked nervous and jittery. Perhaps he wasnt scared or nervous. Perhaps he had the preverbial "ants in his pants" and therefore would explain why an aardvaark is all over his nuts. :lol:


I appreciate the shout out thanks. Let me tell a Beck story too. I hear he turned down an opportunity to interview with the Lions and last spotted was loading up on condoms in a Berkley WV pharmacy. The magnums. Uh oh. Now I wonder who's "all over his nuts" :lol:

Well, you do have my condolenses since this Mad Dog Beck frenzy will die down sooner than you hoped. But please don't let that stop you from continuing to make ignor...errr "uninformed" Mormon slurs. Were you on here when Fiedler was starting. I can imagine the comments "in jest" about his strange faith, eh? You should check out Stormfront.. seems like your kind of site.

Oh, I edited this and took down an actual WVDullfan Mormon "joke" post snapshot from May 2008. Anyone who's been here more than for 50 posts has seen plenty of them.. so that would have been overkill. (But if you're interested I've got quite the collection stored).

[SpaceMountain16]

John Beck was hated simply because of his age. This generation of Dolphin fans, a bunch of 14 year old madden players who think that anybody over age 27 is too old couldn't bare to see the Dolphins draft a 26 year old rookie. Plus the fans here are so fickle the second Beck struggled they turned against him, the same way some did for Pennington after his disaster game against the Ravens and the same same they will do to Chad Henne (some already have since they took White).

[Vaark]

John Beck was hated simply because of his age. This generation of Dolphin fans, a bunch of 14 year old madden players who think that anybody over age 27 is too old couldn't bare to see the Dolphins draft a 26 year old rookie. Plus the fans here are so fickle the second Beck struggled they turned against him, the same way some did for Pennington after his disaster game against the Ravens and the same same they will do to Chad Henne (some already have since they took White).


I hear ya but when there's a never-ending trail of "jokes" and worse singling out a guy's religion, it's naive to believe some people are just ignorant and that everyone's criticisms are objectively based. What does his faith have to do with whether he stinks or not?

[xflashx]

I appreciate the shout out thanks. Let me tell a Beck story too. I hear he turned down an opportunity to interview with the Lions and last spotted was loading up on condoms in a Berkley WV pharmacy. The magnums. Uh oh :lol:

Keep up the good work. Oh, Is that clear enough speak for you and your little sycophant?



Whats clear to me is the massive intellect you possess but yet have this obscure fetish for animals. Hence the reference to "Lions" in the above post, the avatar, and sig pic of dogs lifting weights. I see why you hate Vick so much now.

SpaceMountain... why suggest that everyone hated Beck because of his age when it was clearly that he SUCKED! Talk about age with your username (Disney World ride) and the constant avatars of super heroes. Even the younger posters here know age doesn't matter that much but science has proven after the age of 28 your brain stops taking in new info as easily. Thats why older people can't learn computers easily, and can never take in new technology. Its proven time and time again through out history the older you get he more stuck in your ways you are.

[Vaark]

Whats clear to me is the massive intellect you possess but yet have this obscure fetish for animals. Hence the reference to "Lions" in the above post, the avatar, and sig pic of dogs lifting weights. I see why you hate Vick so much now.

The Lions are interested in him and have the first shot at him supposedly coming off the wire... Sorry to ruin your "theory" but I didn't just make that up

Yeah, you're right, while I despise bigots, especially the subtle joking types, I do absolutely love animals, and wouldn't have been upset if a dog loving lifer would have dealt with Vick in lock up, so what? He's the lowest of the low.. if you want to identify with him, it says more about you than me. But thanks for asking.

If you were around for more than 60 whole posts or so, you'd know that I frequently change sigs, and this is just one of literally about 15-20 that I rotate as the mood strikes me. But if you find the symbolic alpha dog outpumping the puny Jet dog strange or too hard on the Jets, I can change it for you as a favor. Plain speak enough for you?

[Adam First]

Alot of angry people in this thread arguing over dumb, trivial things.

Can't we all just get along?

[xflashx]

The Lions are interested in him and have the first shot at him supposedly coming off the wire... Sorry to ruin your "theory" but I didn't just make that up

Yeah, you're right, while I despise bigots, especially the subtle joking types, I do absolutely love animals, and wouldn't have been upset if a dog loving lifer would have dealt with Vick in lock up, so what? He's the lowest of the low.. if you want to identify with him, it says more about you than me. But thanks for asking.

If you were around for more than 60 whole posts or so, you'd know that I frequently change sigs, and this is just one of literally about 15-20 that I rotate as the mood strikes me. But if you find the symbolic alpha dog outpumping the puny Jet dog strange or too hard on the Jets, I can change it for you as a favor. Plain speak enough for you?

I'm sure you wouldn't admit my "theory" especially if it was true. How did I suggest that I indentify with Vick?? I was implying that you hate Vick for his dog fighting because you "love" animals. Get it? Clear enough for you?? But you get all bent out of shape for joking about a bum QB. I wasn't asking either I was telling. You can relook up the "verbs" i used or get your thesaurus out. And I'm sure you change your sig to different animal pictures depending on the "mood your in" LOL!! You want to upload images and be a wise man well... heres one that speaks volumes about you....

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[Vaark]

knock yourself out Corky. Ciao

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[xflashx]

umm... okay??


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[67Stang]

I find this move impossible to believe. Why, recently Ireland said we had three excellent QBs. Why would the FO release an excellent QB? I mean, everything Ireland says we all know is to be taken at face value....It's very curious. This has to be a blunder by the FO...I mean, how many successful teams make a habit of releaseing excellent players?
Are you serious? Zach Thomas released, Edgerrin James released, Dominic Rhodes released, Brandon Stokely, Corey Dillon, Leigh Bodden, Mushin Muhammad, Jeff Garcia, Vonnie Holliday, Ty Law, Gibril Wilson all released in their career dispite being good players. The list goes on and on. Every year quality players are released from teams for a multitude of reasons. Sometimes it's a numbers game, or a player at that position becomes available that can help them in other ways. I thought this was common knowledge to most people, but I can tell by some posts that some people want to hate even after a player is gone.

[juniorseau55]

Are you serious? Zach Thomas released, Edgerrin James released, Dominic Rhodes released, Brandon Stokely, Corey Dillon, Leigh Bodden, Mushin Muhammad, Jeff Garcia, Vonnie Holliday, Ty Law, Gibril Wilson all released in their career dispite being good players. The list goes on and on. Every year quality players are released from teams for a multitude of reasons. Sometimes it's a numbers game, or a player at that position becomes available that can help them in other ways. I thought this was common knowledge to most people, but I can tell by some posts that some people want to hate even after a player is gone.

You just Mentioned the has beens of the NFL all in one yearbook class. If you consider these players excellent then you simply need to take off those homer glasses. The reason why most of these players were released is because they were once good and are serviceable at best, while some are marginally better than serviceable such as Holiday, Wilson, and etc.

[67Stang]

You just Mentioned the has beens of the NFL all in one yearbook class. If you consider these players excellent then you simply need to take off those homer glasses. The reason why most of these players were released is because they were once good and are serviceable at best, while some are marginally better than serviceable such as Holiday, Wilson, and etc.

So, when Holiday was released by the Chiefs he sure sucked when he got here. Gibril Wilson, our starting safety? Edgerin James was a big reason for AZ success in the playoffs last year after being misused during the season. Your statement holds no water. This is just a few names that came to mind. Kurt Warner was playing quality Football in STL and NY both times he was released, but the franchises chose to go in a different direction. It happens every year.

[67Stang]

Laveranues Coles had 70 catches and 7 TDs last year....released

[ArmyFin7]

WOW....your really grasping at straws here....Most these guys were older and the teams decided to go younger. The rest were cap casualties....ummm, Beck was no a cap casualty and he was still relatively young....he must have just sucked. Of coarse Detrois has some interest....when was the last time they had a legit QB....about 50 yrs ago. They're desperate.

[67Stang]

No, I am just being realistic. There is a reason why they kept Beck over McCown last year. They signed Pat White, which made Beck expendable because he is only a QB. Why there has to be some sort of conspiracy to his release is beyond me. It is a simple numbers game. They could have brought 4 QB's into camp, but why. The release gives Beck a chance to catch on earlier with someone else and gives valueable reps to White and Henne. It happens every year, and usually after the draft, but for some reason it simply has to be more because Beck is involved.

[ArmyFin7]

There is no conspiracy....He just wasn't showing enough last year to bother keeping around. I think he was kept last yr bc McCown is a finished product, the FO knew what they had in him. After watching beck all last yr, they decided he wasn't going to cut it either.

[Kaleta]

The release gives Beck a chance to catch on earlier with someone else...

So BP/TS released Beck because they were doing what was in Becks best interest? I thought you said you were being realistic.


....and gives valueable reps to White and Henne.

When it was brought up that Beck literally went DAYS WITHOUT REPS in training camp you replied...


Just out of curiousity, how many reps do you think other 3rd string QB's get(?)

So when Beck is Miami's #3 and not getting reps it s the norm but now that White is the #3 the reps become valuable?

NOW let us be realistic, if Beck wasnt getting reps at #3 then he surely would NOT be taking reps away from White if Beck is at #4.

You think that if BP/TS valued Beck even just a lil bit they would keep him around until these "valuable reps" started.

Spin away.

[X-Pacolypse]

John Beck was hated simply because of his age. This generation of Dolphin fans, a bunch of 14 year old madden players who think that anybody over age 27 is too old couldn't bare to see the Dolphins draft a 26 year old rookie. Plus the fans here are so fickle the second Beck struggled they turned against him, the same way some did for Pennington after his disaster game against the Ravens and the same same they will do to Chad Henne (some already have since they took White).

People didn't like Beck for so many other reasons besides his age. Age was an issue, but it wasn't the only one. Look, I'm only a few months younger than Beck and I believe his age is an issue for him. In the society that you and I live in, John Beck would still be considered a young man by most, if not everybody who leads a normal 9 to 5 life. However, in the National Football League, years come at a premium. Unless your a punter, kicker, or long snapper most guys aren't able to play into their 40's, much less late 30's. If you come in as an "older" prospect, you have to come and make an impact right away before you get to a point where teams feel that you're too "old" to take a risk on.

Beck is in a pretty difficult position. He's a third year quarterback, he is still fairly raw, he looked horrible in limited playing time, and he's much older than your average third year quarterback. I can see why people made a big deal about Beck's age. I don't know of too many teams that want to take the time and years to develop a 28 year old quarterback.

[67Stang]

So BP/TS released Beck because they were doing what was in Becks best interest? I thought you said you were being realistic.



When it was brought up that Beck literally went DAYS WITHOUT REPS in training camp you replied...



So when Beck is Miami's #3 and not getting reps it s the norm but now that White is the #3 the reps become valuable?

NOW let us be realistic, if Beck wasnt getting reps at #3 then he surely would NOT be taking reps away from White if Beck is at #4.

You think that if BP/TS valued Beck even just a lil bit they would keep him around until these "valuable reps" started.

Spin away.

Are you serious? Is this a serious post? John Beck wasn't going to be running the Wildcat. John Beck wasn't drafted to run the Wildcat. Are you really comparing Becks 3rd string position to Pat Whites who was brought in for a specific reason? Do me a favor, if you are going to try and use my words against me, you might want to think about it a little harder before comparing **** like this.

[GoonBoss]

Are you serious? Is this a serious post? John Beck wasn't going to be running the Wildcat. John Beck wasn't drafted to run the Wildcat. Are you really comparing Becks 3rd string position to Pat Whites who was brought in for a specific reason? Do me a favor, if you are going to try and use my words against me, you might want to think about it a little harder before comparing **** like this.

So are snaps not snaps now? When the center snaps the ball to White, is it somehow different when they snap the ball to Beck? All that was said in the post was that you said Beck wasn't getting reps in camp, so, how would that afftect Pat White?

Beck was cut because he couldn't get the job done, not out of altruistic motives by the FO. You don't need to have a QB in camp that isn't going to make the team because he's just not good enough. Beck, White and, Henne were all early picks, but, the FO thinks two out of the three can play at a level that will benefit the team. Guess which two they are?

[ebozzz]

So are snaps not snaps now? When the center snaps the ball to White, is it somehow different when they snap the ball to Beck? All that was said in the post was that you said Beck wasn't getting reps in camp, so, how would that afftect Pat White?

Beck was cut because he couldn't get the job done, not out of altruistic motives by the FO. You don't need to have a QB in camp that isn't going to make the team because he's just not good enough. Beck, White and, Henne were all early picks, but, the FO thinks two out of the three can play at a level that will benefit the team. Guess which two they are?

Goon,

What happened to all of the positivity that was flowing from you just a few days ago? Did that leave with Beck? :D

[Kaleta]

Are you serious? Is this a serious post? John Beck wasn't going to be running the Wildcat. John Beck wasn't drafted to run the Wildcat. Are you really comparing Becks 3rd string position to Pat Whites who was brought in for a specific reason? Do me a favor, if you are going to try and use my words against me, you might want to think about it a little harder before comparing **** like this.

Yes dead serious. You change your "facts and beliefs" as it suits your arguement.

They cut Beck well before they had to because he had no trade value and he was dead weight.

Get over your man crush. You look like fool the way you obviously spin things to put Beck on a pedestal.

[67Stang]

Yes dead serious. You change your "facts and beliefs" as it suits your arguement.

They cut Beck well before they had to because he had no trade value and he was dead weight.

Get over your man crush. You look like fool the way you obviously spin things to put Beck on a pedestal.
You have no clue what you are talking about, and you need to stop talking out you ***. I never put Beck on a pedestal. Find one post were I said anything but Beck hasn't been given a legit shot, or quoted something a coach said. Once again you incorrectly put my words into correct context, but that is easy to do for people who talk out their *** on a computer.

As far as Goon goes, if you really think there is no difference in Reps, I got some beach front property in Arizona to sell you too. Pat White will obviously receive more reps than your typical 3rd string QB because of how they plan on using him.

[Kaleta]

You have no clue what you are talking about, and you need to stop talking out you ***. I never put Beck on a pedestal. Find one post were I said anything but Beck hasn't been given a legit shot, or quoted something a coach said.


If anyone doesnt know what they are talking about it is OBVIOUSLY you.

Easy, you on Beck
he is light years ahead of the other QB's

I guess the pedestal belongs to you.


Don't be mad that Beck is still a Dolphin, we have all been wrong before. I know I have been wrong multiple times, just not about Beck still being a Dolphin after the draft.

The pedestal IS there for Beck. When you dont hold him to the same standards as others in the same position then you ARE hoisting him up.

And Im not talking out my ***, just pointing out how you contradict yourself to make your man crush seem less sucky.

If it is "easy to do for people who talk out their *** on a computer" then you would be the one who knows.


I played for the Escambia Gators with Emmitt Smith if you must know. I can still throw the ball about 60 in the air, a Nerf a little further. I can definetly throw it further than Chad.

[67Stang]

Dude, don't act like you know me or what I have done. I have done more in 38 years than you will do your entire life. You post quotes from me when I was being sarcastic and try to turn them into something they aren't. This is probably how you get through life. Then you try to insult me by mocking something I actually did and can still do. That is cool because you have a computer in front of you and not a person, it is easy to do. Just out of curiousity, do you know who Emmitt Smith is? It's this guy right here.
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[67Stang]

By the way, are you a little obsessed? It must have taken you hours to find all those posts. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

[finman38]

hi stang are you from pensacola, one of my best friends lived there his name is jason Rich and Keith Rich do you know them.

[JCane]

GUYS. SERIOUSLY. LISTEN TO ME VERY CAREFULLY.

This thread is now TWENTY-THREE pages long. We're discussing a guy who was drafted in the second round out of BYU. A TWENTY-EIGHT year-old rookie QB, ok?

Say this stuff outloud and really listen to what you're saying and I promise that you will lower your heart rate and live longer.

Beck started four games. One touchdown passing. One touchdown rushing. Three interceptions. Seven fumbles. Five lost. Sixty-two QB rating. He was evaluated by a guy who struggled to win ONE WHOLE game. Cut by the Dolphins. Cut by the Dolphins. Cut by the Dolphins.

Obviously, we're going to move forward WITHOUT John Beck. Is it really worth it to discuss what could have been? If your answer is yes, then please, repeat the following.

Beck started four games. One touchdown passing. One touchdown rushing. Three interceptions. Seven fumbles. Five lost. Sixty-two QB rating. He was evaluated by a guy who struggled to win ONE WHOLE game. Cut by the Dolphins. Cut by the Dolphins. Cut by the Dolphins.

John Beck, guys. We're talking about John effing Beck here. His greatest accomplishment is becoming an Eagle Scout. This will probably remain his greatest accomplishment so long as he is in the NFL. It is what it is.

Move on...

[67Stang]

I dont know you and dont care how many time you have sucked ftp's dick in the last 38 years, get over yourself ***hole.

Your quotes were not you being sarcastic, they are the basis of your whole man crush arguement. Unless you agree your man crush sucks and that the FO wanted his butt gone then it would have been sarcasm. Is that the way it is? You really thought Beck sucked?

If I was going to insult you I would call you a **** smoking ***** boy that probably has Becks name and his #9 engraved in your favorite dildo.

Nothing that was quoted was twisted. Man up to it you whiny little *****.

:lol2:Reeek Reeeek Reeeek Reeeek (Psycho Theme)

[67Stang]

hi stang are you from pensacola, one of my best friends lived there his name is jason Rich and Keith Rich do you know them.

I think I went to middle school at Bellview MS with a Jason Rich. That name sounds really familar, not Keith though.

[Kaleta]

:lol2:Reeek Reeeek Reeeek Reeeek (Psycho Theme)

Not sure what you are talking about. Where have I ever posted that.

[ebozzz]

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[67Stang]

Oh man, that blows up half the theories on this board about noone wanting him. Now maybe people will STFU instead of assuming stuff based on shear hate.

[finman38]

Oh man, that blows up half the theories on this board about noone wanting him. Now maybe people will STFU instead of assuming stuff based on shear hate.

I hear you on that stang.

[X-Pacolypse]

Beck sucks.

[Kaleta]

Oh man, that blows up half the theories on this board about noone wanting him. Now maybe people will STFU instead of assuming stuff based on shear hate.

Nope, Beck is still not a good NFL QB and didnt have ANY value.

I thought that after the Miami FO cut him that all the man crushed posters would go away. I guess its true what they say, LOVE makes you blind.

[X-Pacolypse]

Beck is garbage.

[X-Pacolypse]

Beck still sucks.

[X-Pacolypse]

BUMP. Because Beck sucks.

[X-Pacolypse]

One of my favorite threads of all time on FH. Beck sucks.

[X-Pacolypse]

Classic. The thread that helped give birth to the now EPIC "John Beck Memorial Thread." What a great day this was!

[X-Pacolypse]

August 2, 2010. John Beck was traded to the Washington Redskins for practice squad CB, Doug Dutch. His daddy in Baltimore didn't want him, so how soon will it be until Shanahan dumps him on the street again?