Beck: Stay or Leave? - Page 2

SpaceMountain16 · 08-13-2008, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish-Head

I just wonder what kind 'if any' vlaue he has on the market right now... I think the decision is made for us until that situation changes... He will be on our roster at the very least until another team becomes desperate.

I don't think that he does....But i'll tell you if i were a team that wanted Beck, they could probably get him REALLY cheap. In that case i don't see why you wouldn't take the chance because this guy still hasn't proven that he isn't a good NFL QB (or an awful one). A 7th round pick for a guy with untapped potential perhaps? If you even have to offer that at all, if he's released you could just sign him. I don't see how it would hurt a team.......

rev kev · 08-13-2008, 12:52 PM

Keep and develop

NewPhinPhan · 08-13-2008, 12:58 PM

Fellow Beck supporters might bash me for this, and I'm one of the biggest supporters of him, thru 4 years at Brigham Young, to meeting him pre-draft, to following him at Miami.

He needs to leave. Fresh start. I'd hoped it would be with Miami, but with how he was worked last year, in such a situation, I think that sets him back, HERE, for a long time. I believe he'd recover quicker with a fresh set of eyes that weren't focussed on "their people" as many would say.

Fish-Head · 08-13-2008, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SpaceMountain16

I don't think that he does....But i'll tell you if i were a team that wanted Beck, they could probably get him REALLY cheap. In that case i don't see why you wouldn't take the chance because this guy still hasn't proven that he isn't a good NFL QB (or an awful one). A 7th round pick for a guy with untapped potential perhaps? If you even have to offer that at all, if he's released you could just sign him. I don't see how it would hurt a team.......

I agree. I just wonder who if anyone would step up with even a seventh... Since this regime (and rightly so) puts a VERY high premium on draft choices I would think they would prefer to hold out to get anything for him as injuries occur and other teams depth charts begin to change... but the fact they are giving him almost zero reps indicates they are sure not keen to 'showcase him'...

Pennington10 · 08-13-2008, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish-Head

I just wonder what kind 'if any' vlaue he has on the market right now... I think the decision is made for us until that situation changes... He will be on our roster at the very least until another team becomes desperate.

You might get a 6th rounder. Something like that. He's not an aging QB, and other teams might look at him and say he could hold some part of there future. There are teams right now looking for a decent back up.

Phins28 · 08-13-2008, 01:15 PM

Release him, he has no upside.

CedarPhin · 08-13-2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pennington10

You might get a 6th rounder. Something like that. He's not an aging QB, and other teams might look at him and say he could hold some part of there future. There are teams right now looking for a decent back up.

SF, Baltimore, Minnesota, or Chicago come to mind.

ckparrothead · 08-13-2008, 01:21 PM

Interesting 70/30 split. Yet, the majority of people that are flapping their gums about the situation seem to be of the mind that he should be gotten rid of...guess it's just a vocal minority.

Mile High Fin · 08-13-2008, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckparrothead

Interesting 70/30 split. Yet, the majority of people that are flapping their gums about the situation seem to be of the mind that he should be gotten rid of...guess it's just a vocal minority.

A very vocal minority.

Lecanto · 08-13-2008, 03:05 PM

The Oakland Raider's QB Jamarcus Russell, the 1st pick of the 2007 draft, was very underwhelming in his two starts at the end of last year. Approximately 55% passing, 2 TDs and 4 Ints. It appears he isn't developing fast enough. Based on the Beck haters logic, the Raiders should just cut Russell. Give me a break. It often takes many years to develop a good starting NFL QB. In fact, Marino is the only NFL QB I can remember over the past 30+ years who really played awesome (not just serviceable) his rookie year, and he was a very rare talent. Give Beck 3 full years, and if he still is having trouble, then get rid of him.

fatkirstyalley · 08-13-2008, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Lecanto

The Oakland Raider's QB Jamarcus Russell, the 1st pick of the 2007 draft, was very underwhelming in his two starts at the end of last year. Approximately 55% passing, 2 TDs and 4 Ints. It appears he isn't developing fast enough. Based on the Beck haters logic, the Raiders should just cut Russell. Give me a break. It often takes many years to develop a good starting NFL QB. In fact, Marino is the only NFL QB I can remember over the past 30+ years who really played awesome (not just serviceable) his rookie year, and he was a very rare talent. Give Beck 3 full years, and if he still is having trouble, then get rid of him.

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Gonzo · 08-13-2008, 03:14 PM

McCown hasn't even beat Beck out in camp, how is he more capable of coming in off the bench than Beck? Keep the youth with upside.

lemonpepperfish · 08-13-2008, 03:22 PM

Beck has the talent to become a superior qb to Mccown. with that said, he's gone!
We don't have the reps to develop him and henne at the same time.
Front office wants a backup that can just step in without the reps in practice.
Mccown leads only in experience, but that is what the battle for second string (until henne is much further developed) is really about. Who can play without further development?

Let's just pray that Pennington doesn't get injured, at least until midseason or later when henne is ready to lead the team. MCcown behind center will be ugly, but Beck behind center without the development time would be even worse. Sorry Beck, its not about talent, its about time.

ckparrothead · 08-13-2008, 03:32 PM

Yes but McCown isn't even playing better than Beck RIGHT NOW...forget about further development, we're talking right now, who is the better QB? I think it's Beck.

Gonzo · 08-13-2008, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ckparrothead

Yes but McCown isn't even playing better than Beck RIGHT NOW...forget about further development, we're talking right now, who is the better QB? I think it's Beck.

Exactly. What's the impact cap-wise of releasing either? Trade value?

I've read posts by people willing to get a sixth for Beck. A sixth round pick for a second rounder vs. maybe a late rounder for a free agent pick up that hasn't beaten anybody in camp.

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08-13-2008, 12:58 PM	#18
NewPhinPhan FinHeaven VIP Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: WA Age: 35 Posts: 553 Credits: 8,019 Thanks: 368 Thanked 180 Times in 97 Posts	Fellow Beck supporters might bash me for this, and I'm one of the biggest supporters of him, thru 4 years at Brigham Young, to meeting him pre-draft, to following him at Miami. He needs to leave. Fresh start. I'd hoped it would be with Miami, but with how he was worked last year, in such a situation, I think that sets him back, HERE, for a long time. I believe he'd recover quicker with a fresh set of eyes that weren't focussed on "their people" as many would say. __________________ All views expressed, herein and herein contained, are IMHO Only. I reserve the right to be WRONG! And grant the same privilege to all others.

08-13-2008, 01:15 PM	#21
Phins28 Pro Bowler Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Puerto Rico Age: 35 Posts: 1,469 Credits: 192 Thanks: 211 Thanked 39 Times in 32 Posts	Release him, he has no upside. __________________

08-13-2008, 01:21 PM	#23
ckparrothead Premium Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 32,842 Credits: 59,154 Thanks: 16 Thanked 2,035 Times in 659 Posts FH Badges Total Awards: 1	Interesting 70/30 split. Yet, the majority of people that are flapping their gums about the situation seem to be of the mind that he should be gotten rid of...guess it's just a vocal minority. __________________ Good luck with the Skins, JT. You'll always be "Ozone" to me...

08-13-2008, 03:14 PM	#27
Gonzo and a bag o' glass Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin Age: 28 Posts: 8,034 Credits: 862 Thanks: 435 Thanked 328 Times in 213 Posts FH Badges Total Awards: 2	McCown hasn't even beat Beck out in camp, how is he more capable of coming in off the bench than Beck? Keep the youth with upside. __________________ Your face is dead.

08-13-2008, 12:52 PM	#17
rev kev Seasoned Veteran Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Calgary Alberta Posts: 1,139 Credits: 490 Thanks: 108 Thanked 142 Times in 110 Posts	Keep and develop

08-13-2008, 03:05 PM	#25
Lecanto Rookie Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 17 Credits: 2,800 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	The Oakland Raider's QB Jamarcus Russell, the 1st pick of the 2007 draft, was very underwhelming in his two starts at the end of last year. Approximately 55% passing, 2 TDs and 4 Ints. It appears he isn't developing fast enough. Based on the Beck haters logic, the Raiders should just cut Russell. Give me a break. It often takes many years to develop a good starting NFL QB. In fact, Marino is the only NFL QB I can remember over the past 30+ years who really played awesome (not just serviceable) his rookie year, and he was a very rare talent. Give Beck 3 full years, and if he still is having trouble, then get rid of him.

08-13-2008, 03:22 PM	#28
lemonpepperfish janitor Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: santa cruz, cali Posts: 188 Credits: 26 Thanks: 147 Thanked 16 Times in 13 Posts	Beck has the talent to become a superior qb to Mccown. with that said, he's gone! We don't have the reps to develop him and henne at the same time. Front office wants a backup that can just step in without the reps in practice. Mccown leads only in experience, but that is what the battle for second string (until henne is much further developed) is really about. Who can play without further development? Let's just pray that Pennington doesn't get injured, at least until midseason or later when henne is ready to lead the team. MCcown behind center will be ugly, but Beck behind center without the development time would be even worse. Sorry Beck, its not about talent, its about time.

08-13-2008, 03:32 PM	#29
ckparrothead Premium Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 32,842 Credits: 59,154 Thanks: 16 Thanked 2,035 Times in 659 Posts FH Badges Total Awards: 1	Yes but McCown isn't even playing better than Beck RIGHT NOW...forget about further development, we're talking right now, who is the better QB? I think it's Beck. __________________ Good luck with the Skins, JT. You'll always be "Ozone" to me...

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