Chad Henne and the Dolphin QB Situation

[CedarPhin]

Perhaps DrunkenFan had a bit too much to drink this morning? Might be a reason for his ignorant post.

[kingjust30]

first of all i bet money on the florida gators in that bowl game as i did every week on them and this kid chad henne singled handly killed me. he made me lose my money because he played absloulty amazing in the biggest game of his college career.im a ohio st fan myself and u have 2 understand that ohio st was a million time better than michigian , not 2 mention michigians last coah was terrible.That has me thinking that henne did pretty good under the worst coach in college football. im sure the coach was good 20 years ago but during hennes time with him he was horrible

[Lappy]

Originally Posted by kingjust30

first of all i bet money on the florida gators in that bowl game as i did every week on them and this kid chad henne singled handly killed me. he made me lose my money because he played absloulty amazing in the biggest game of his college career.im a ohio st fan myself and u have 2 understand that ohio st was a million time better than michigian , not 2 mention michigians last coah was terrible.That has me thinking that henne did pretty good under the worst coach in college football. im sure the coach was good 20 years ago but during hennes time with him he was horrible

Michigan and Ohio st games were always good!

What was the score in one of last years games???? something like 65-55???

yeah Henne must suck to put up 55 points agianst the best team in the nation.

[CedarPhin]

Haven't you heard, he was like 2-30 with -50 yards passing in each of those contests!

In the high scoring UM-OSU game in 2006, it was the defense, not Henne and the Offense, that let UM down. Of course, others will say differently.

[DrunkenFan]

Originally Posted by Lappy

so he lost to Florida in 08 in the Capital one Bowl?

It was because of his play and his play alone that they lost to Ohio St.?

He doesn't hold second in Big Ten passing touchdowns totals?

oh and buddy FYI.....

Over the past five years, an average of 36.6 Big Ten athletes have been chosen in the NFL Draft on an annual basis, including six first-round selections per year. The Big Ten and the SEC are the only two conferences to boast an average of at least 36 players.

yeah it sounds like it's over rated and Henne performed agianst inferior talent.

Also Ohio St. over the past 5 years have had 39 players chosen by NFL teams. That ranks first in the Nation. Other Big Ten programs to produce 20 or more NFL draft picks since 2003 include Michigan (23), Penn State (21), Iowa (20) and Wisconsin (20), while Purdue has recorded 18 NFL draftees during that time.

It sounds like the Big ten is some weak compition. Ohio st. beat Michigan because they were the better team.

Maybe come back and talk to me when your arguement makes sense.

Uh, read the post, I said with the exception of the the UF game his done nothing, period. As well, the bowl game was of no consequence considering it meant nothing and they were basically playing for Lloyd Carr's last game.

He had his entire college career to beat OSU, which was the only game that mattered to them, and he couldn't do it. You watch tape of Henne playing against the Buckeyes and you'll get a QB training session of exactly what plagues his game. Locks onto the WRs, can't move in the pocket, and makes overall bad decisions.

And yes, the losses are his fault. Lloyd Carr is somewhat to blame for the vanilla defenses he ran, but it falls back on your QB and his ability to get your offense to the end zone when it matters, and he couldn't do it.

As well, you need to get your facts straight. I've researched this myelf so you really have zero clue as to what you're talking about. Players from the SEC make up the majority of the NFL, this includes starters and reserves. The ACC comes #2, for starters and reserves, and the Big 10 is 3rd. There's no getting around it, that's the case. I mean, the Big 10 is better than the Big East or Pac 10, but if you're talking about what matters (the NFL), it's a subpar conference, which is why posting things like Henne's numbers in said conference (especialy he couldn't even win one Big 10 title) are of zero consequence.

[DrunkenFan]

Originally Posted by Lappy

Michigan and Ohio st games were always good!

What was the score in one of last years games???? something like 65-55???

yeah Henne must suck to put up 55 points agianst the best team in the nation.

The best team in the nation? You mean the one with the Heisman trophy winner that got embarassed against the Gators?

[Lappy]

Originally Posted by CedarPhin

Haven't you heard, he was like 2-30 with -50 yards passing in each of those contests!

In the high scoring UM-OSU game in 2006, it was the defense, not Henne and the Offense, that let UM down. Of course, others will say differently.

it seems like every year it's special teams and the defence that let Michigan down.

Appalachian st game is a perfect example of the D and special teams hurting Michigan.

There is not an arguement to be made that Henne lost them any games all by his lonesome.

[X-Pacolypse]

Originally Posted by DrunkenFan

Uh, read the post, I said with the exception of the the UF game his done nothing, period. As well, the bowl game was of no consequence considering it meant nothing and they were basically playing for Lloyd Carr's last game.

He had his entire college career to beat OSU, which was the only game that mattered to them, and he couldn't do it. You watch tape of Henne playing against the Buckeyes and you'll get a QB training session of exactly what plagues his game. Locks onto the WRs, can't move in the pocket, and makes overall bad decisions.

And yes, the losses are his fault. Lloyd Carr is somewhat to blame for the vanilla defenses he ran, but it falls back on your QB and his ability to get your offense to the end zone when it matters, and he couldn't do it.

As well, you need to get your facts straight. I've researched this myelf so you really have zero clue as to what you're talking about. Players from the SEC make up the majority of the NFL, this includes starters and reserves. The ACC comes #2, for starters and reserves, and the Big 10 is 3rd. There's no getting around it, that's the case. I mean, the Big 10 is better than the Big East or Pac 10, but if you're talking about what matters (the NFL), it's a subpar conference, which is why posting things like Henne's numbers in said conference (especialy he couldn't even win one Big 10 title) are of zero consequence.

Nick, is that you?

[Lappy]

Originally Posted by DrunkenFan

Uh, read the post, I said with the exception of the the UF game his done nothing, period. As well, the bowl game was of no consequence considering it meant nothing and they were basically playing for Lloyd Carr's last game.

He had his entire college career to beat OSU, which was the only game that mattered to them, and he couldn't do it. You watch tape of Henne playing against the Buckeyes and you'll get a QB training session of exactly what plagues his game. Locks onto the WRs, can't move in the pocket, and makes overall bad decisions.

And yes, the losses are his fault. Lloyd Carr is somewhat to blame for the vanilla defenses he ran, but it falls back on your QB and his ability to get your offense to the end zone when it matters, and he couldn't do it.

As well, you need to get your facts straight. I've researched this myelf so you really have zero clue as to what you're talking about. Players from the SEC make up the majority of the NFL, this includes starters and reserves. The ACC comes #2, for starters and reserves, and the Big 10 is 3rd. There's no getting around it, that's the case. I mean, the Big 10 is better than the Big East or Pac 10, but if you're talking about what matters (the NFL), it's a subpar conference, which is why posting things like Henne's numbers in said conference (especialy he couldn't even win one Big 10 title) are of zero consequence.

look over the past 5 years, which were when Henne played in the big ten.....

Over the past five years, an average of 36.6 Big Ten athletes have been chosen in the NFL Draft on an annual basis, including six first-round selections per year. The Big Ten and the SEC are the only two conferences to boast an average of at least 36 players.

It doesn't matter what the numbers are for the history of the NFL it should only matter what he played agianst when in the Big Ten! He played 4 years and over those years the Big ten and the SEC had more players selected to the NFL than any other conference.

Go ahead and make your arguements man, but facts remain the Big Ten in his time playing there was not a second class league, but in fact a dominant power house.

He couldn't win a Big Ten title agianst a team that lead the Nation in sending players to the NFL. I do not understand your point. Ohio State ranks first nationally with 39 players chosen by NFL teams over the past five years. When Henne played at Michigan.

Or maybe it's the entire NFL that sucks at picking quality draft picks. I guess that's it.

[DrunkenFan]

Originally Posted by Lappy

look over the past 5 years, which were when Henne played in the big ten.....

Over the past five years, an average of 36.6 Big Ten athletes have been chosen in the NFL Draft on an annual basis, including six first-round selections per year. The Big Ten and the SEC are the only two conferences to boast an average of at least 36 players.

It doesn't matter what the numbers are for the history of the NFL it should only matter what he played agianst when in the Big Ten! He played 4 years and over those years the Big ten and the SEC had more players selected to the NFL than any other conference.

Go ahead and make your arguements man, but facts remain the Big Ten in his time playing there was not a second class league, but in fact a dominant power house.

He couldn't win a Big Ten title agianst a team that lead the Nation in sending players to the NFL. I do not understand your point. Ohio State ranks first nationally with 39 players chosen by NFL teams over the past five years. When Henne played at Michigan.

Or maybe it's the entire NFL that sucks at picking quality draft picks. I guess that's it.

Uh, once again, I'm talking NFL ROSTERS. The draft means absolutely nothing considering guys get drafted all the time and *gasp* sometimes don't make the team, or are out of the league within a few years.

How many players are drafted from a certain conference means jack ****. It's who makes up the current NFL rosters which, as stated, is #1 the SEC, #2 the ACC and #3 the Big 10. The Big 10 loses out on quality (starters) and quantity (number of Big 10 players overall in the league).

In comparison, yes, Henne played in a subpar conference. A conference he couldn't win.

[Lappy]

Originally Posted by DrunkenFan

Uh, once again, I'm talking NFL ROSTERS. The draft means absolutely nothing considering guys get drafted all the time and *gasp* sometimes don't make the team, or are out of the league within a few years.

How many players are drafted from a certain conference means jack ****. It's who makes up the current NFL rosters which, as stated, is #1 the SEC, #2 the ACC and #3 the Big 10. The Big 10 loses out on quality (starters) and quantity (number of Big 10 players overall in the league).

In comparison, yes, Henne played in a subpar conference. A conference he couldn't win.

ok lets say that your point is right, Big Ten being third makes it a weak conference? Yet over the last 5 years they have sent more players to the league?

I'm still finding it hard to justify your point of Henne playing agianst weaker players yet they have had more draft picks.

I'm sorry man, I just don't see it.

Thanks for the debate I had fun with it.....I have to run hopefully we can pick this up some time.

Thanks agian.