Pat White is a very talented athlete that showed the ability to win. The draft is about projecting the possible value of a pick. It does seem that FO ignored their own position criteria for this pick, so I can see your scepticism. I think it will be fun to see what the kid can do.
Sorry but for everything you have told us. I am still not sold on him and won't be until the player himself shows why he was drafted by his making plays. You can tell people why he was drafted etc. And it may still not make sense.
Pat White to me is what he is . He is a player we could have done without. We could have used his pick for a player of another position that could have helped much more. Now If you were to tell me that Pat White the god himself could play LB,Oline, was a spectacular receiver as well then i would have no problem with it. The problem with him is he is a QB which we already had in the 2 Chads.
Personally I am kind of tired of people trying to sell this pick when they themselves do not have aclue as to how Pat White will do. And you yourself have already told us he is not as great at Qb as many had thought. Which brings down some value there.
Sometimes when I think of Pat White, I envision a career path that could be similar to Troy Brown only a notch higher. What I mean by that is that Troy Brown was an all around football player and a winner. Very high intangibles but pretty small in size.
really its not like they did not have a decent amount of misses in Dallas
Jacob Rogers 2nd
Stephen Peterman 3rd
Bruce Thornton 4t
Kevin Burnett 2nd
Bobby Carpenter 1st
Jason Hatcher 3rd not a total bust but far from a great pick
Skyler Green 4th
also lets credit Ireland with
James Marten 3rd
Isiah Stanback 4th
Fasano was not a miss but did not accomplish very much and definately did not live up to a 2nd round pick
So im not going to act like Parcells and Ireland are these gurus that rarely make a draft mistake.
Questionable picks but what so many people fail to remember is Jerry Jones is the GM and he has final say. I won't credit/discredit any picks from the Trifecta during there Dallas days.
If your gonna take a chance on a guy why not go with someone with huge potential ala M.Johnson OLB. If P.White turns out to be pretty good he'll only help us alittle, if Johnson turns out he could be a force for years to come on defense.
P.White has only a limited amount of impact that will help us win long term and please stop with this bs excuse that some coaching will help his accuracy. If that's the case why aren't all QB's that start in this league more accurate like Penny, it takes more then coaching to help that out.
I hope too that I'm wrong and White becomes a stud in this league but the odds are against it and at best he'll be a bit player that makes things happen here and there (another player ESPN will love).
I'm still confused on the pick but due wish the best for him.
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Pat White it appears they drafted as a QB so in a sense if he fails as a QB then the pick did not live up to their expectations and has to be viewed as a disappointment.
Now all the the fans and media are talking wildcat or wildpat but that is not what we are hearing from Ireland and until we do Pat White is a QB.
Currently it is early in the process but from what "limited" observations we are headring so far from OTA's Pat White is not excelling at the QB position so in a sense he is a short term disappointment. So far.
Now just because he is not lighting it up so far as a QB is by no means labeling him a failure. Also if he does not make it as a QB for the Dolphins but ends up excelling at some other position later in the NFL like WR does not label him as a draft pick a "bust" either. Still as a Dolphins draft pick if that happens and they drafted him as a QB in a sense he would be a Dolphins/Ireland/Parcells bust pick based on why they drafted him but as a player you would not label him a bust if that happened.
Currently IMO he is struggling as a QB and a position change takes time if he changes poistions to a WR or PR etc. He is to small for a RB so those are his fall back positions. Seeing that they are using primarly as a QB and will probably give him the chance to prove himself NFL worthy this entire year before deciding to lets say move him to WR that change would take a minimum of over a year to really see results. So now you have a 3 year project that you picked in the high 2nd round. So really for where he was drafted by the Dolphins Pat White needs to make it as a QB to justify his 2nd round pick. I like Pat Whites demeanor but I liked John Becks to and we saw how that turned out. The big difference that I believe you have between the 2 is that Pat White can tuck and run and give you a different option that way. I would also say that Pat White has more proven winning experience than John Beck had in college so he will not pannic as much as John Beck did in critical NFL situations. John Beck had the better NFL arm and that is going to slow Pat White down alot until and "if" he gets the arm NFL ready.
IMO Pat White was a gamble pick based on his superior production in college. I know the size thing which is important in the NFL has its issues "but" with my rose colored phins glasses on we could have the next Joe Montana or lets say a larger version of the Dough Flutie. Without those rose colored phin glasses and what the NFL sees is a smaller framed QB who has some issues throwing NFL passes and whose size is working against him.
I will pull for him because he is a dolphin. I truely hope he pulls off the impossible. But go over to miamidolphins.com and check out the interview. This guys is too small to be the starting QB on my HS team. If he is 6 feet tall then I am 7 feet tall. He is tiny, thin and looks too breakable.
People want to compare him to Vick which is a joke. He isn't as fast, or quick, doesn't have nearly the cannon arm, and isn't nearly as thick as Vick. The only thing he did better was he was slightly more accurate. Now we are hearing he is sailing balls over fences, and hitting golf carts?? Yeah I know I know it is still early, but I have to say I didn't like the pick and am having a tough time warming up to it.
If he gets on the field and doesn't get broken in half this year I will be shocked. I think he needs a year or two to put some weight on before getting on an NFL field.
I have high hopes for him but if I was asked right now who would have a bigger impact on the upcoming season White or Wake, I would have to go with Wake. JMO
I will pull for him because he is a dolphin. I truely hope he pulls off the impossible. But go over to miamidolphins.com and check out the interview. This guys is too small to be the starting QB on my HS team. If he is 6 feet tall then I am 7 feet tall. He is tiny, thin and looks too breakable.
People want to compare him to Vick which is a joke. He isn't as fast, or quick, doesn't have nearly the cannon arm, and isn't nearly as thick as Vick. The only thing he did better was he was slightly more accurate. Now we are hearing he is sailing balls over fences, and hitting golf carts?? Yeah I know I know it is still early, but I have to say I didn't like the pick and am having a tough time warming up to it.
If he gets on the field and doesn't get broken in half this year I will be shocked. I think he needs a year or two to put some weight on before getting on an NFL field.
I have high hopes for him but if I was asked right now who would have a bigger impact on the upcoming season White or Wake, I would have to go with Wake. JMO
Yeah.. his abilities are what kind of worry me. Feel free to prove me wrong here, but from what I saw in his highlight videos, he relied on his athleticism to win games. It worked well. But how far is a 4.55 forty going to get him when scrambling? How long can he handle taking hits from NFL linemen going full speed blasting into him? Will he be able to play quarterback as a quarterback? (Dropping back, staying in the pocket, throwing in a certain amount of time, stuff like that) And then one of his good qualities, accuracy, is looking like one of his bad qualities now ..?
It just seems like the same thing that happened with Reggie Bush.. he dominated when he ran the ball because no one could get a hand on him. And now that's obviously not the case. I just don't see how Pat White can do much when he doesn't have a great 40 time. I did notice that he uses his speed a little better than Reggie though, as in finding a lane and hitting it, instead of doing all that running backwards and circles crap.
It just worries me that there's so many questions with a 2nd round pick, our other 2nd round pick, Smith, leaves me with no questions other than can he contain the big AFC East receivers, that's all. Right now, I would really rather have Sintim over Pat White. I want in every way for Pat White to succeed though. He seems like a great guy, that works hard and avoids getting into trouble. I just hope he can pan out for us. I myself have faith that the FO is seeing something we aren't in Pat, and he'll be a good player for us. Yeah, they make mistakes, but even the greatest ones will miss every now and then.
So I called up Bill Parcells to complain.
He really didn't give me any good justifications for selecting Pat.
He mainly focused on the "who is this", "where did you get my number" and the "what in the world do you know about NFL football."
I think I talked some sense into him.
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Questionable picks but what so many people fail to remember is Jerry Jones is the GM and he has final say. I won't credit/discredit any picks from the Trifecta during there Dallas days.
yea lets blame jerry jones for his bad picks. Im sure Parcells just let Jones make his picks for him
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