Did Young dis Marino? - Page 5

FinsNCanes · 08-08-2005, 01:10 PM

I kinda caught that feeling of the speech. But..I mean..can you blame em if he tried to throw a shot? The stadium looked like a home game. It must of made Young feel a little ****ty.

FinsNCanes · 08-08-2005, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PYPER

Counterpoint #1

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So how exactly does a Dolphins fan rationalize the fact that in 10 of Marino's 18 career playoff games, he had two OR MORE interceptions???

It seems to me that the Dolphins didn't fail to win a Super Bowl DESPITE Marino, they failed to win a Super Bowl BECAUSE of Marino.

Maybe one day if you guys are lucky enough to witness TRUE GREATNESS, you'll understand where the critics are coming from.

So when did you become a Patriots fan? I'm guessing sometime within the last 5 years, no? I swear..I can't stand you Patriot fans because everywhere I look in FLORIDA there are Boston Red Sox fans, Patriot fans, ironic isn't it? I mean..where did you guys all of a sudden come from? It would be a cold day in hell 6-8 years ago to see a NE/RS cap, jersey anywhere except probably in your hometown. You guys bug me more than Bills fans because most of you don't even have knowledge of your own team. I mean..what were the Patriots up untill like 8 years ago when they made a SB appearance? Had to vent, wasn't meant as a "flame", but everytime I see a NE jersey I almost have to laugh because you have to figure 90% are bandwagoners.

PYPER · 08-08-2005, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by WharfRat

Jealous much?

Simple fact... you WISH your team EVER had a QB as prolific as Marino....

:rofl3:

I guess I'll just have to "SETTLE" for having my team collect Lombardi's every year. Regretfully of course......

:rofl3:

PYPER · 08-08-2005, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by FinsNCanes

So when did you become a Patriots fan? I'm guessing sometime within the last 5 years, no?

:goof:

The desperate, "I can't argue the merits so I'll try to paint my opposition as a bandwagon fan" plea.

Nope, I've never seen that one tried before.

:rofl3:

FinsNCanes · 08-08-2005, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PYPER

:rofl3:

I guess I'll just have to "SETTLE" for having my team collect Lombardi's every year. Regretfully of course......

:rofl3:

How can you point out one player "failed" the Miami Dolphins when in your post you just put "team" collects Lombardi's? It would be kind of hard to actually believe Marino failed Miami. It's more like Miami failed Marino. Cause it does take a "team" to win, no? Or do you think Brady just did it himself? It would just seem kind of hard for one HOF player to fail an organization when it takes a team to win, correct?

What I'm saying is that you should blame Miami, not Marino. And don't use lame articles for hardcorefootball or whatever to back up your opinion/statements. I can already see you need someone else to think for you which also is why you are probably a bandwagoner

FinsNCanes · 08-08-2005, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PYPER

:goof:

The desperate, "I can't argue the merits so I'll try to paint my opposition as a bandwagon fan" plea.

Nope, I've never seen that one tried before.

:rofl3:

1 lUv t0 ch0p postZzzzZ!

Gimme a break. I was just asking a question that you ignored.

rkdinorl · 08-08-2005, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy James

It sounds to me like Steve was just being honest and that Dan would probably agree with him. Winning the Super Bowl is the ultimate goal, and part of the reason it is so coveted is that awesome players like Dan and Barry Sanders have incredible careers but yet never get it.

Yep, I agree. Honestly Steve Young doesn't hold all the records but has won the Super Bowl. It's a fact. Not a "dis".

Dolfanmatty · 08-08-2005, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by FinsNCanes

So when did you become a Patriots fan? I'm guessing sometime within the last 5 years, no? I swear..I can't stand you Patriot fans because everywhere I look in FLORIDA there are Boston Red Sox fans, Patriot fans, ironic isn't it? I mean..where did you guys all of a sudden come from? It would be a cold day in hell 6-8 years ago to see a NE/RS cap, jersey anywhere except probably in your hometown. You guys bug me more than Bills fans because most of you don't even have knowledge of your own team. I mean..what were the Patriots up untill like 8 years ago when they made a SB appearance? Had to vent, wasn't meant as a "flame", but everytime I see a NE jersey I almost have to laugh because you have to figure 90% are bandwagoners.

I must admit I spend most of my time reading posts (rather than posting) since I am usually at work when browsing the site but when one comes along a post with such stupidity I simply can't leave this one alone. It is NOT the post above that I am speaking of but what I am writing is much like this one...

I am from Massachusetts and am a Diehard Red Sox, Celtics, and Bruins fan. However, right from birth I have been a diehard Dolphin fan (my family has been trying to figure out why for years and years).

There are many things I don't understand about Pats fans, and I don't want to write this all day long but their general hatred of Marino is one that baffles me. For a city that seems to know it's sports rather well (it will always be a baseball town though clearly), the Patriot fans in general seem to be unable to give credit to the opposing team for anything. Maybe it's because their franchise was a laughing stock for decades who knows, but it makes me actually cheer against them even know I am from there.

For years I saw battles between Jim Kelly and Dan Marino (I forget what the Patriots were doing at that time, hmmmmm...), and as much as I hated the Bills at that time, for me to state that Thurman Thomas, Andre Reed, James Lofton, Bruce Smith, Kelly, and others are overrated or not worthy of their status is just ludicrous. They were great players, hall of fame players. You have to give them their due, even if they didnt win the big game. So if Norwood hits that FG, they are so much more "great"? That makes no sense.

Now don't get me wrong, what the Pats have done in the last 5 years has been amazing, period (Ok, their first Super Bowl run was a total joke but they certainly have been dominating ever since).

But the funny thing is the Pats fans (which now pack Foxboro at their new stadium) suddenly claim they "were there all along." On the average, it's total BS. I was there. I went to every Dolphin game at Foxboro for 15 years straight, and often 30-40% of the stands were Dolphin fans.

If you want to see a puzzled look on a New England fan, ask them who their QB was before Drew Bledsoe was drafted.......a fair question if they had in fact "been there all along." Most, you will find, have no clue. And it's not like I'm asking who their backup LT was on their '86 team either.

Even as the greatest quarterback that I have ever seen gets inducted into the HOF, I have to come on a Dolphin message board and find some idiotic post about how Marino didn't do this, and didn't do that. I consider myself honored that I had a chance to watch this outstanding player for 17 years, very often in person. The way he personally dominated a game has only been equalled by a man by the name of Jordan, however unfortunately for Dan football is more of a "team" game than basketball is.

A post like the one I just read is just moronic and ignorant. My apologies to the real Patriot fans, as I am sure there are some of you out there....

P.S. You may want to tell the bandwagon fans to shut the hell up though, they make you look bad.

PYPER · 08-08-2005, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by FinsNCanes

How can you point out one player "failed" the Miami Dolphins when in your post you just put "team" collects Lombardi's? It would be kind of hard to actually believe Marino failed Miami. It's more like Miami failed Marino. Cause it does take a "team" to win, no? Or do you think Brady just did it himself? It would just seem kind of hard for one HOF player to fail an organization when it takes a team to win, correct?

What I'm saying is that you should blame Miami, not Marino. And don't use lame articles for hardcorefootball or whatever to back up your opinion/statements. I can already see you need someone else to think for you which also is why you are probably a bandwagoner

I believe I've been more than clear on this issue.

I'm NOT critical of Marino for not winning a Super Bowl. That's a team effort. Read that line over and over until it sinks in.

I'm critical of Marino b/c he, like Manning, always put up his worst performance of the year in his team's biggest game. The Dolphins NEVER lost a big game where Marino played well. They NEVER lost games despite some kind of heroic Marino performance.

They lost games b/c the one guy who they depended on all year laid an egg when they needed him most.

Now read that over and over until it sinks into that thick head of yours.

Fun history lesson:

Hey do you remember Marino's playoff record versus the Patriots??? How did he do in those two games???

1985: 20-48 (41.7%), 248 yards, 2TD, 2Int's......QB Rating=55
1997: 17-43 (39.5%), 141 yards, 0TD, 2Int's......QB Rating=29

Playoff Totals vs Patriots:

37-91 (40.7%), 389 yards, 2TD, 4Int's.......QB Rating=43

Hey, at least he was consistent.

I wonder if Marino's performances had anything to do with the fact that Miami lost both games and was outscored 48-17 in the process.

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Dolfanmatty · 08-08-2005, 01:51 PM

You can thank Keith Byars for the '97 victory....he hated Jimmy Johnson so much he gave the entire playbook and all the audibles to the Pats before the game.

Danny had no chance.

bigmiamifan · 08-08-2005, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by zackattack54

Maybe I was a little delusional (sp?) sitting in the hot sun at Fawcett stadium but I could have sworn that Young tried to dis Dan in his acceptance speech. He said something about winnning the Superbowl was the best feeling in the world - much better than winning an MVP or holding all the passing records. Now that's not word for word what he said (I'm still a little dizzy from the heat) but it had that jist. I think he was pissed that sooooo many people were there for Dan and just had to get one in on him.

I dunno maybe not - but then again if Dan would have went up before Steve there probably would have been only about 43 people left in the stands.

Did you miss Dan's dis? I said he always admired "Young's style of play'. Not his ability or anything buy his style, meaning he's a RB that threw 5 yards to #80 running a slant in the WCO.

Dolfanmatty · 08-08-2005, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by FinsNCanes

So when did you become a Patriots fan? I'm guessing sometime within the last 5 years, no? I swear..I can't stand you Patriot fans because everywhere I look in FLORIDA there are Boston Red Sox fans, Patriot fans, ironic isn't it? I mean..where did you guys all of a sudden come from? It would be a cold day in hell 6-8 years ago to see a NE/RS cap, jersey anywhere except probably in your hometown. You guys bug me more than Bills fans because most of you don't even have knowledge of your own team. I mean..what were the Patriots up untill like 8 years ago when they made a SB appearance? Had to vent, wasn't meant as a "flame", but everytime I see a NE jersey I almost have to laugh because you have to figure 90% are bandwagoners.

However, I must disagree about the Red Sox....they have sold out that Park for as long as I can remember every night. And they had some tough years not too long ago.

I will say you see "more" RS hats on these days, but the majority of us have been here for decades.

BlueFin · 08-08-2005, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DolfanTom

This Patsie fan is a loser, obviously. When he makes these logic- and fact-less arguments, it's clear he's just busting our balls. I'm sure choosing today to make these arguments was calculated just to piss us off. Let this be the last response to this brainless wonder. :sleep:

Let him have his childish, classless fun, the fact is the Dolphins beat the Patriots last year when we had our worst year ever, he has a lot of pain to endure in the future When Saban's Dolphins are regularly crushing the Patsies and When Saban sends Belichek to an early retirement.

PYPER · 08-08-2005, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by FinsNCanes

So when did you become a Patriots fan? I'm guessing sometime within the last 5 years, no?

I became a passionate die-hard Patriots fan when I was nine years old back in 1985. How about yourself???

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Originally Posted by FinsNCanes

I swear..I can't stand you Patriot fans because everywhere I look in FLORIDA there are Boston Red Sox fans, Patriot fans, ironic isn't it? I mean..where did you guys all of a sudden come from? It would be a cold day in hell 6-8 years ago to see a NE/RS cap, jersey anywhere except probably in your hometown.

I can't speak for anybody other than myself. However, considering the size of the New England region and the fact that many northerners typically move south, it hardly surprises me that there are large numbers down in Florida.

Considering the trouble the Dolphins have in selling out their home games (even in good years), you should just appreciate the fact that you've got people down there who appreciate professional football.

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Originally Posted by FinsNCanes

You guys bug me more than Bills fans because most of you don't even have knowledge of your own team. I mean..what were the Patriots up untill like 8 years ago when they made a SB appearance?

Generalities don't carry any weight with me. Bills fans are cool b/c they lost all those Super Bowls so they're easy to put in their place. The problem with Patriots fans is that there's no good way to knock them. Their team is the best and they know it and they know that you know it too.

Until Kraft bought the team in '94, the Patriots were the laughingstock of the NFL. As far as I'm concerned, any fan base that can persevere through the kind of seasons that the Patriots put up from '89-'93 deserves MAD RESPECT.

When have Dolphin fans ever been tested??? You guys have had like two losing seasons in the past 30 years. Talk about bandwagoners. Look in the mirror. I'm hoping you guys stay on the bottom for awhile, no fan base is more deserving of some humble pie.

Where were the Patriots fans in those dark years between '89-'93??? I always get a kick out of that type of question. Every fan base in the world has trouble filling the seats when the fans lose "hope" in the franchise they love. I mean, when a team, any team, has an EXTENDED period of INEPTNESS, it will show up in the attendance records.

I'm not talking about one bad year here or there. I'm talking about an EXTENDED period of time where the fans lose complete faith in the people running the organization. That's what happened in those dark years.

The good people of Boston have proved throughout their history that they are ravid sports fans.

What have Miami fans ever proven???

Another thing that's cool about the Patriots fan base is the amount of Pats fans who become involved with peripheral careers surrounding the team or the coverage of the team. The Patriots are the only team to have a fan break down their teams entire salary cap situation. Miguel at Patsfans.com does an amazing job. Then there are the fine people over at coldhardfootball facts.com. Another fine site dedicated to fighting the myths that perpetrate themselves as common opinion.

Anyhow, have a great week.

Good luck tonight.

No injuries.

);p

Dolfanmatty · 08-08-2005, 03:21 PM

The Patriots have a fan who evaluates the Salary Cap Numbers?

Geez, if that isn't an example of too much spare time I don't know what is....

08-08-2005, 01:51 PM	#70
Dolfanmatty Starter Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Boca Raton, FL Age: 32 Posts: 214 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	You can thank Keith Byars for the '97 victory....he hated Jimmy Johnson so much he gave the entire playbook and all the audibles to the Pats before the game. Danny had no chance. __________________ "How did you stop Dan Marino? You slapped yourself and woke up. Because it just wasn't gonna happen." - Phil Simms

08-08-2005, 03:21 PM	#75
Dolfanmatty Starter Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Boca Raton, FL Age: 32 Posts: 214 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The Patriots have a fan who evaluates the Salary Cap Numbers? Geez, if that isn't an example of too much spare time I don't know what is.... __________________ "How did you stop Dan Marino? You slapped yourself and woke up. Because it just wasn't gonna happen." - Phil Simms