Dolphins 1st choice at LT not looking good

[Conuficus]

Originally Posted by Stringer Bell

and you are satisfied with a 'fine' LT?

get a great LT, move Carey to RT. Then you have two 'great' tackles

Yeah I can be perfectly happy with a fine LT. Especially one who will be a FA next year. If he is great and as you say "have two great tackles" how will we pay for these guys? Could we really afford two T's making that kind of money in the long term?

Also if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Carey, I really feel for, he has been through more moves than a candy filled pinata. He was pretty good IMO. Truly our problem came from inconsistent LG play. If we had a consistent player there it would amke all the difference in the world. In all honesty we don't need or want all of these guys to be "great", good will do just fine. A good O-line will get you a long, long way.

[Stringer Bell]

Originally Posted by cnc66

well, someone.. Boomer maybe, posted some interesting facts.. like our guy Cary, graded out as good as the probowl selecties.. AND, he did it with little or no support from the left guard. No matter where you put Cary from now on, he is going to make left tackle money because he has proved he can play the position at a high level. I am not opposed to drafting a kid that can play left and right, like Cary, but not at the cost of wasting first pick value.

i'm not a proponent of drafting a LT. atleast not in the first day.

but i think we should atleast try to land someone via FA. salary cap is not an issue.

[Stringer Bell]

Originally Posted by Conuficus

Yeah I can be perfectly happy with a fine LT. Especially one who will be a FA next year. If he is great and as you say "have two great tackles" how will we pay for these guys? Could we really afford two T's making that kind of money in the long term?

Also if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Carey, I really feel for, he has been through more moves than a candy filled pinata. He was pretty good IMO. Truly our problem came from inconsistent LG play. If we had a consistent player there it would amke all the difference in the world. In all honesty we don't need or want all of these guys to be "great", good will do just fine. A good O-line will get you a long, long way.

Yes, yes we can.

[Conuficus]

Originally Posted by cnc66

well, someone.. Boomer maybe, posted some interesting facts.. like our guy Cary, graded out as good as the probowl selecties.. AND, he did it with little or no support from the left guard. No matter where you put Cary from now on, he is going to make left tackle money because he has proved he can play the position at a high level. I am not opposed to drafting a kid that can play left and right, like Cary, but not at the cost of wasting first pick value.

I see wour schwartz is as big as mine.

That strategy is a great one, I stated as such earlier. having a guy who plays RT but can fill in at LT is a great thing. It is so much easier to find a backup RT than a backup LT, especially during the season. If you, by sheer hatred from God (lol) loose 2 LT's then you are screwed anyway.

[Conuficus]

Originally Posted by Stringer Bell

Yes, yes we can.

Not for long we won't. Not whilst trying to rebuild the team for the long term. I don't want to go back to being against the cap all the time.

If you're using Cleveland as an example, those guys on the o-line won't be together too long, not whilst they rebuild the defense. They have all those weapons to deal with on offense, and the o-line. It won't all stay together, it just doesn't work that way. Washington tries this every year, and every year they get deeper and deeper in debt against the cap.

[Conuficus]

If we want to sign a T in FA fine. Let it be Travelle Wharton, Sean Locklear, Jacob Bell etc. Not guys who are over 30, have bad knees, hold b/c they get out of position on those bad knees (Flozell Adams). This guy will deteriorate in the next 2 years, and then we eat the cap hit for him. Let someone else do it.

But honestly I'd rather just do it the old fashioned way, draft the SOB. Then you have him for some good years at a decent price, and it gives you time to project and protect your investment.

[Stringer Bell]

Originally Posted by Conuficus

Not for long we won't. Not whilst trying to rebuild the team for the long term. I don't want to go back to being against the cap all the time.

If you're using Cleveland as an example, those guys on the o-line won't be together too long, not whilst they rebuild the defense. They have all those weapons to deal with on offense, and the o-line. It won't all stay together, it just doesn't work that way. Washington tries this every year, and every year they get deeper and deeper in debt against the cap.

but yet washington still always somehow manages to end up under the cap. every year.

[Conuficus]

Originally Posted by Stringer Bell

but yet washington still always somehow manages to end up under the cap. every year.

Yeah, they just have to cut the necessary players. I'd rather have to be like the Eagles, when did they have to squeeze themselves under the cap?

[Stringer Bell]

Originally Posted by Conuficus

Yeah, they just have to cut the necessary players. I'd rather have to be like the Eagles, when did they have to squeeze themselves under the cap?

they dont. they are consistently under the cap by a good margin. because they do not have an owner that is willing to spend a lot of money.

[Conuficus]

Originally Posted by Stringer Bell

they dont. they are consistently under the cap by a good margin. because they do not have an owner that is willing to spend a lot of money.

Well like they say, you can't have it all.

If you wanna talk o-line, my main question is Hadnot. What the current regime does with him will give a clear indication of where we will be next year. Doing some research I found that when Henning and Maser were in Carolina they had a samllish line, around 300-310lbs or so all the way across. Hadnot is 326lbs, so if we resign him then we are probably going with bigger guys, if we don't then we might go smaller.

I'm not talking talent here just schematics.

[RoninFin4]

Originally Posted by newlownorder

Yeah, I agree with that Hamlin is only 27 still so I if you gave him a 5 year deal he would still be in his prime and hopefully that is enough to turn the team around. Hamlin is one of those steady players you can rely on and I think we could really benefit from. Match him up with Allen and I would be happy enough.

As for Flozell I really dont think we should be putting a ton of money in a 32 yo player.

I wouldn't mind spending money on Flozell if it's for a 1-2 year contract. There's a few prospects in this year and next year's draft (Loadholt, Boone) but I'd rather have Gibril Wilson than Ken Hamlin.

[Lenny]

Originally Posted by Conuficus

Yeah I have an idea: the draft. Here are some names for you: Ryan Clady, Jeff Otah, Carl Nicks, Chris Williams and thats just a few of them. This is the deepest draft for T's in years and we should skip getting one of our achilles heels fixed. Even if we like Carey at LT draft a guy who can play both in case Carey ever goes down. Replacement RT are much easier to find, during the season than LT.

I understand your point, however most (or all) of those guys will be gone by the time we make our 2nd pick, and none of them are worth our 1st pick.

Unless we make a deal to trade down that isn't going to happen.

Also, FWIW, while the draft is deep in tackles, most of these guys rate similar to how Vernon Carey did when we picked him 17th overall. They'll probably be fine NFL players but they're not guys you can just start as rookies and trust them to protect your QB's blind side.

If you're going to draft a guy who isn't Joe Thomas, doesn't it make alot of sense to sign a veteran free agent to fill in while you develop the new kid?

[Lenny]

Confucius, it's obvious your philosophy is draft, draft, draft....and that's fine.

But we don't have 53 draft picks this year and we're going to have to field a team of 53 players. We've already cut more guys from last year's squad than we have picks this year (and that doesn't count free agents that we won't re-sign)

So free agent guys have to figure somewhere into the mix, and the older guys are the ones that are going to be available. That's the way it almost always is.

[DrunkenFan]

If Parcells lost his mind and actually took Jake Long #1 overall then we'd have the highest paid RT in the league since he would not beat out Carey for that spot and, in all likelyhood, will remain at RT for the rest of his career. We could pickup up an OT that we could mold just as effectively and, imo, better than Jake Long and we wouldn't be paying him nearly as much.

Carey is perfectly capable of manning the left side next year, and blowing up the continuity of our offensive line again is a step in the wrong direction.

[NorFlaFin]

Adams got lite up like a turnstyle, no thanks.

Hamlin is gonna want a huge payday.