Dolphins beat Jets in the draft's first round

[MiamiDolfan85]

Originally Posted by Nublar7

I said this from day one(even before the Jets drafted him), that Gholsten had the most potential out of any projected first round pick to become an absolute bust. This news about him struggling right now, does not surprise me one bit.

you see....Gholston justs reminds me of another LaVarr Arrington...eww

[PeepinTom]

I know we have been talking about Gholston, but Ginn was the 9th player overall for us last year and he hasn't produced for us yet. I think we are being premature with our evaluations. It was a weak draft and taking a reach with the 6th or 9th pick will not pan out for either of us until year 2 or 3. Hopefully it is Ginn's year.

[jetsman]

Originally Posted by dolpns13

I have to agree here for the most part. Anyone in the top ten, who gets a huge signing bonus, should really be starting.

No,not when they are 4-3 college defensive ends being converted to 3-4 pro outside linebackers.That transition takes time for seasoned vets,let alone rookies.Why do you think that there is so much paid to proven 3-4 OLB'ers when they hit the market in free agency??I'll tell you why,it's because that is a premium position that is hard to fill.

Gholston came in REAL late and missed the mini camps AND OTA's so being a bit behind is expected.If you watched our games in pre-season he showed definite improvement each game and won't be asked to do anything but be a pass rush specialist until he is ready for an expanded role later in the season.

Gholston will be a force very soon,so be glad you get one game against us this early before he puts it all together because the second meeting between these two teams the Fin fans will get to see a whole lot of Gholston vs Long and they aren't going to like what they see............

[jetsman]

Originally Posted by Dolfan1000

The Merling/Holliday and Henne/Pennington comparisons would be viable if these guys were drafted #6, as Vernon Gholston was. Not the same as a #2 or #3 pick. Worlds of difference, actually.

And please. Dont try and tell me that the staff didnt plan on him overtaking Bryan Thomas. He has not come along as quickly as they had hoped, which is fine, but quit feeding us this garbage about "the plan" not being for him to contribute in his first year.

Oh,he's going to contribute this year,as a pass rush specialist,just as the coaching staff planned ALL ALONG..........

[jetsman]

Originally Posted by ckparrothead

It feels good when an opposing team's fans are placed in this bail-out mode while our own pick is already looking good as a rookie.

Doesn't mean anything upon anything as far as what the two players will be known as by the time their careers are over, but for now, at 5:15pm on September 2nd, 2008...it's awfully nice.

We'll see if you're so smug about your player around 4:00pm on Sunday.Somehow I seriously doubt it............

[jetsman]

Originally Posted by PeepinTom

I know we have been talking about Gholston, but Ginn was the 9th player overall for us last year and he hasn't produced for us yet. I think we are being premature with our evaluations. It was a weak draft and taking a reach with the 6th or 9th pick will not pan out for either of us until year 2 or 3. Hopefully it is Ginn's year.

Exactly!Thank you for not going along with the crowd and piling on.You are exactly right in what you said.

[CashInFist]

Originally Posted by jetsman

No,not when they are 4-3 college defensive ends being converted to 3-4 pro outside linebackers.That transition takes time for seasoned vets,let alone rookies.Why do you think that there is so much paid to proven 3-4 OLB'ers when they hit the market in free agency??I'll tell you why,it's because that is a premium position that is hard to fill.

Gholston came in REAL late and missed the mini camps AND OTA's so being a bit behind is expected.If you watched our games in pre-season he showed definite improve each game and won't be asked to do anything but be a pass rush specialist until he is ready for an expanded role later in the season.

Gholston will be a force very soon,so be glad you get one game against us this early before he puts it all together because the second meeting between these two teams the Fin fans will get to see a whole lot of Gholston vs Long and they aren't going to like what they see............

WTF does the hulk in your avatar have to do with the...oh...jets...they are...green...heh. ...i ... get it...heh that was ...not funny... your ...team S U C K S! S U C K S! S U C K S!

[Bluedevilsrock4]

Originally Posted by SR 7

very well said. one thing they did is waht miami did wiht saban, they went for old proven vets that will only last for 2-3 years of avg play then out of no where u get the downfall we encountered.

the difference is that the Jets have alot of starting-material young talent on both sides of the ball to go along with those vets. Those Dolphins teams were just old period.

I know you guys don't like to hear it but the Jets have drafted very well the past few years.... Mangold, Leon, Revis, Harris, Stuckey (players from the 06 and 07 drafts) all look like really good value picks. Keller and Lowery look like they could be steals as well, and I'm not giving up on Gholston after 1 preseason, he has a huge transition to make.

[Gitrdone]

Originally Posted by nyjunc

He has't played a regular season game yet, he wasn't expected to be a starter this year. He has not had a good camp or preseason but that was to be expected. Not every rookie is ready to start day 1. 2 years ago Mario Williams was called a bust before he played a down. Let's be a little patient w/ the guy, I know if he was a dolphin you would be.

Yeah the Fins fans on this board are really good at showing patience. Just so you know, this is FinHeaven, not your Jets messageboard

[nyjunc]

Originally Posted by hemidemon

The Jets don't have anyone on their staff as good as Ireland. We'll be beating the Jets in the draft and on the field for years to come.

And you know this how? We've had excellent drafts the past few years and we know Ireland isn't calling the shots- it's BP who calls the shots.

Originally Posted by fishypete

First I believe Holliday had injuries last season...and Merling wasn't the 6th overall player taken in the draft....bad comparision. I didn't say anyone was a bust...perhaps thats the way you picture it really...eh?

Any player taken in the top 10-15 spots should be starting....thats why they are rated so high.

They are all bad examples, even top 10 players aren't ready to play sometimes and we had the luxury of bringing him in as a backup. he was never going to start for us this year, that wasn't the plan.

Originally Posted by Vaark

Pace conveniently woke up in his contract year, but looking at his pro body of work, as my buddy passionately argues seeing more than enough of him as a long-term Cardinals season ticket holder, Pace is far from an accomplished defender; now with a fat contract under his belt, expecting a "bounce" is at best optimistic. Not too many tears shed over his departure out in the sandy land of the Seguras!

He evry well could be a 1 year wonder but he woke up when moved to OLB in the 3-4 which is what we play. he struggled as a DE in the 4-3. Bryan Thomas went through the same thing 2 years ago and after he got his deal he got lazy, will Pace be Thomas or was least year his breakout year? I don't know but he's had a great camp so I feel pretty good as of now.

Originally Posted by Crazy685

Guys, Mario Williams is a league above Vernon Gholston. Gholston is a one more pure pass rusher while Mario Williams is the most complete defensive end to come out of the draft since Julius Peppers.

Which is why Houston was criticized for drafting him 1 overall and why he was labeled a bust after year 1.

Originally Posted by Dolfan1000

The Merling/Holliday and Henne/Pennington comparisons would be viable if these guys were drafted #6, as Vernon Gholston was. Not the same as a #2 or #3 pick. Worlds of difference, actually.

And please. Dont try and tell me that the staff didnt plan on him overtaking Bryan Thomas. He has not come along as quickly as they had hoped, which is fine, but quit feeding us this garbage about "the plan" not being for him to contribute in his first year.

Bryan Thomas was really good 2 years ago, now he has Pace on the other side, Gholston is a bit of a project. He was not drafted to start year 1.

Originally Posted by Phinja

Wait. So a 4-12 team drafted a guy #6 overall, and doesn't expect him to start?!?


This is the reason the Jets are 70+ games UNDER .500 as a franchise.

Says the fan of the team that hasn't played a playoff game since before the Pats-raiders tuck game

Originally Posted by 3rdandinches

So a 4-12 football team doesn't need the 6th overall player taken to start. That must be because your either full of talent or full of s**t. Sorry but I don't see all the talent so it must be the latter....

Full of talent. We just gave a new deal to Bryan Thomas 2 years ago, we gave Pace a deal this offseason. Those were going to be our starters all along. Gholston is a bit of a project and we have the luxury of bringing him along slowly. Not all players(regardless of where they are picked) are ready to start day 1. Last year revis was but this year Gholston is not.

Originally Posted by Gitrdone

Yeah the Fins fans on this board are really good at showing patience. Just so you know, this is FinHeaven, not your Jets messageboard

I know he wouldn't be labeled a bust before he ever played game.

[Greyboy]

Jets fans are absolutely TERRIFIED of this game Sunday! As well they should be....... That's why so many of them are here on our board.

[nyjunc]

Originally Posted by Greyboy

Jets fans are absolutely TERRIFIED of this game Sunday! As well they should be....... That's why so many of them are here on our board.

I was on your board last year, was I terrified then? I'm concerned as any fan would be in week 1 of their season but I still expect to win.

[Joker]

They Can't lose...because if Brady/Moss horrify the Chiefs,,then gane 2 is just about a formality...meanwhile, Glass Wristington has always managed to keep an undertalented Rats squad in the season battles with NE...expect him to hold home field advantage in Miami...given Brady's career long struggles there...and for Godsakes...so the guy sold us out before the Super Bowl against the Packers...he BUILT the Pats...I will always LOVE the guy for what he did for our sad sack franchise and I KNOW he came to the east to measure up with BB...the Rats? I expect BP would be pretty jerked off if the Phins don's grind the Rats into the Miami turf...best bet of opening day IMO

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Originally Posted by nyjunc

Let's be a little patient w/ the guy, I know if he was a dolphin you would be.

You must not read this board very much. Dolphin fans expect their rookies to be in the pro bowl or they are instant busts. No middle ground to be found here.

[3rdandinches]

I know he wouldn't be labeled a bust before he ever played game.

The point is he's a boom or bust type player, he's gonna be awesome or a wasted pick. The fact that he is struggling might'lly right now makes it look bad. You say it takes along time for players to adjust and develope for OLB and that right now he's a situational pass rusher learning the position, but if that's your speciality and run support is what he has always struggled at wouldn't you think he'd actually look good rushing the passer then wouldn't you? Don't tell me that's not a major concern of yours. Mario Williams was being critized by the people who wanted to draft R.Bush/V.Young not anybody else. Gholston has never excelled at the run department and played for one of colleges best defenses in the nation which has over blown his potential. I'd be shocked if he ever even developed into a good player but you never know. Good luck with him, I really think you'll need it.