Dolphins beat Jets in the draft's first round

[rev kev]

Originally Posted by Nublar7

I said this from day one(even before the Jets drafted him), that Gholsten had the most potential out of any projected first round pick to become an absolute bust. This news about him struggling right now, does not surprise me one bit.

Looks like tarzan plays like jane... runs well in a straight line...

Reminds me of our late FB Konrad...

[dolpns13]

Originally Posted by rev kev

Looks like tarzan plays like jane... runs well in a straight line...

Reminds me of our late FB Konrad...

Late? did he die?


I liked Konrad, not only cause he went to the Cuse, I thought he was a good fullback. Just couldnt lose the injury bug and later on retired because of a bad back, or neck.

[Blue Thunder]

Originally Posted by Joker

They Can't lose...because if Brady/Moss horrify the Chiefs,,then gane 2 is just about a formality...meanwhile, Glass Wristington has always managed to keep an undertalented Rats squad in the season battles with NE...expect him to hold home field advantage in Miami...given Brady's career long struggles there...and for Godsakes...so the guy sold us out before the Super Bowl against the Packers...he BUILT the Pats...I will always LOVE the guy for what he did for our sad sack franchise and I KNOW he came to the east to measure up with BB...the Rats? I expect BP would be pretty jerked off if the Phins don's grind the Rats into the Miami turf...best bet of opening day IMO

Hey big guy...WTF is WCX coming back up?

[phinatic1323]

Mcganiel, I played for stockton in 2001-2002, how are you involved with the program?

[NH-PhinPhan]

This was on a Jets forum.. Thought it was funny

[3rdandinches]

Originally Posted by PeepinTom

I know we have been talking about Gholston, but Ginn was the 9th player overall for us last year and he hasn't produced for us yet. I think we are being premature with our evaluations. It was a weak draft and taking a reach with the 6th or 9th pick will not pan out for either of us until year 2 or 3. Hopefully it is Ginn's year.

Actually he succeeded very well as a rookie return man and showed flashes of the WR he will become. As a rookie WR he's right on pace to look better this year and come into his own by year three. All our WR's looked like crap last year with garbage QB play. Only RB's are players coming out of the draft are expected to show what their made of right out of the gates.
The difference between Ginn and Gholston is Ginn looked great as a return man which is his bread and butter, Gholston has looked poor at rushing the passer which is his bread and butter. I know we haven't played a game yet but you expect players that are good/great at one thing to show it ala J.Long looks the part of a dominant run blocker and so far looks like he can handle speed rushers too.

[nyjunc]

Originally Posted by 3rdandinches

Actually he succeeded very well as a rookie return man and showed flashes of the WR he will become. As a rookie WR he's right on pace to look better this year and come into his own by year three. All our WR's looked like crap last year with garbage QB play. Only RB's are players coming out of the draft are expected to show what their made of right out of the gates.
The difference between Ginn and Gholston is Ginn looked great as a return man which is his bread and butter, Gholston has looked poor at rushing the passer which is his bread and butter. I know we haven't played a game yet but you expect players that are good/great at one thing to show it ala J.Long looks the part of a dominant run blocker and so far looks like he can handle speed rushers too.

Ginn looked "great" as a return man? he averaged 22.7 per KR which is not good, he averaged 9.6 per PR which is ok. He was FAR from great as a return man.

[jreg1]

Originally Posted by nyjunc

Ginn looked "great" as a return man? he averaged 22.7 per KR which is not good, he averaged 9.6 per PR which is ok. He was FAR from great as a return man.

Oh Jesus this guy is back!!!!!!!!!

[Phinja]

Originally Posted by nyjunc

Says the fan of the team that hasn't played a playoff game since before the Pats-raiders tuck game

This is a typical Jets fan response. Don't address the fact that you insist that your #6 overall pick wasn't drafted to start for your 4-12 team, instead fire back with something that everyone knows already. We all know how long it's been sinse the Phins made the playoffs, which is why we need our picks to start.

Considering the Jets WERE 4-12 last year, how in the world can anyone justfy Gholston not NEEDING to start?



You gonna answer the question this time or make some stupid comment about the Dolphins?

[nyjunc]

Originally Posted by Phinja

This is a typical Jets fan response. Don't address the fact that you insist that your #6 overall pick wasn't drafted to start for your 4-12 team, instead fire back with something that everyone knows already. We all know how long it's been sinse the Phins made the playoffs, which is why we need our picks to start.

Considering the Jets WERE 4-12 last year, how in the world can anyone justfy Gholston not NEEDING to start?

You gonna answer the question this time or make some stupid comment about the Dolphins?

Yep it's a typical Jet fan response We SIGNED Calvin Pace this offseason and the offseason prior we re-signed bryan Thomas to a long term deal. Gholston was not drafted to start right away, he's a4-3 end in college coming to a new level, new system and new position. To expect him to start day 1 shows me a lack of football knowledge on the part of those that expected that.

[Phinja]

Originally Posted by nyjunc

Yep it's a typical Jet fan response We SIGNED Calvin Pace this offseason and the offseason prior we re-signed bryan Thomas to a long term deal. Gholston was not drafted to start right away, he's a4-3 end in college coming to a new level, new system and new position. To expect him to start day 1 shows me a lack of football knowledge on the part of those that expected that.

You're right, teams often pay players $21 million in guarantees to be a backup...

I should have just assumed that!

[fishypete]

Originally Posted by FinfanInBuffalo

You must not read this board very much. Dolphin fans expect their rookies to be in the pro bowl or they are instant busts. No middle ground to be found here.

Maybe we just expect more out of our players than you or the Jets do.

[nyjunc]

Originally Posted by Phinja

You're right, teams often pay players $21 million in guarantees to be a backup...

I should have just assumed that!

You haven't followed the FL long, have you? He wasn't drafted to be a career backup but again he is a bit of a project and they are bringing him along slowly. Some players are ready to start day 1, some aren't, some are forced to play day 1. Ted Ginn was a top pick last year, he didn;t start from day 1, jason Allen was your 1st rd pick 2 years ago and didn't start at all in his rookie year, Vernon Carey was your 1st rd pick in '04 and didn't start as a rookie. Some players are ready to go from day 1 and others aren't. We had 2 starters at OLB when we drafted him, he was not drafted to be the starter this year.

[dolpns13]

Originally Posted by nyjunc

Ginn looked "great" as a return man? he averaged 22.7 per KR which is not good, he averaged 9.6 per PR which is ok. He was FAR from great as a return man.

Devin Hester averaged 21.7 on kick returns.. I guess he isnt a great return man

[nyjunc]

Originally Posted by dolpns13

Devin Hester averaged 21.7 on kick returns.. I guess he isnt a great return man

Hetser has 4 KR TDs which is 4 more than Ginn and Hetser is not a great KR, he's a great PR where he has 7 PR TDs in 2 years which is 6 more than Ginn and in his rookie season hetser had 2 KR TDs and 4 PR TDs, Ginn had the 1 PR TD. Please don't bring up Devin hester when discussin ted Ginn.