Dolphins' Beck in the saddle again

[AZStryker]

Originally Posted by Mr772

The Jury is still out on Beck. If he is anything like Drew Brees, like he has been compared to, then in another year he should be having a breakout season.

FYI - The Germans did not Bomb Pearl Harbor.

FYI, Brees needed 3 seasons and that is a famous quote from the movie Animal House.

[ottie35]

Originally Posted by adamprez2003

Just being able to scramble is not enough today. Beck must prove he can throw while on the move. If he can do that he has a chance. If not, his scrambling ability is useless

I actually think he is better on the run. That pass in the final game for a TD kind of showed that. He had not ran much before then, moreless thrown on the run. I think he needs to throw on the run more.

[MrEd]

Originally Posted by AZStryker

Patience huh, well it's a good thing Parcells and his disciples have shown they have that to spare right? Oh wait, that's not right, they are not very patient at all. My guess is that they'll (Bill and Jeff) review the tapes and make a decision either way from there. It'll be 1. He's got the tools he just needs A LOT of work, or 2. Jeff draft one and draft one early. My guess is the second option since he' isn't Parcells'/Ireland's guy. Haven't they proved they like to be surrounded by their guys??? Look on the bright side, at least we'll dodge the Dorsey/Long bullet.[/font]

yeah, im with u on that one. next year's projected QB depth chart: Beck/Green/Ryan.

[StLouisFinFan]

Originally Posted by inFINSible

.....and the TD before that, he showed he'll put his head down and take the hit, if that's what's coming between him and a TD. (or a first down, which he showed in his first game)

You won't see him dart out of bounds just short of the pylon, that's for sure.

True. And don't forget the pop he took during pre-season against the Chiefs when he sacrificed his body for a score in a meaningless game. As they say, he's a "baller". And I hear you on the Lemon thing, I couldn't believe what I was seeing when he non-chalantly stepped out offering nothing more than a feeble attempt to nudge the ball a few inches in the direction of the pylon. All he had to do was say "OK big boy, it's you and me; bring it on!" and barrelled toward the end zone and he gets in 9 times out of 10. All men have a defining moment in their lives and careers, that was his.

[adamprez2003]

Originally Posted by ottie35

I actually think he is better on the run. That pass in the final game for a TD kind of showed that. He had not ran much before then, moreless thrown on the run. I think he needs to throw on the run more.

i dont know. I didnt like that pass. Forgot who the receiver was (Ginn?) but he got by his man at the 20 I think and Beck took forever to notice it and finally launch. That allowed the defender to make up ground though not enough to disrupt the pass. Add in the fact that he came close to throwing it out of the endzone and blowing the play and I wasnt thrilled with the pass. Maybe I'm being too critical. Bottom line we scored

[adamprez2003]

Originally Posted by MrEd

yeah, im with u on that one. next year's projected QB depth chart: Beck/Green/Ryan.

I'll be doing backflips if that happens.

[VanDolPhan]

Well it was a disaster asking a rookie QB and a rookie WR to carry the team with no good weapons at RB and an OL that was falling apart as the season went on.

I'd like to see what a full offseason, Ronnie Brown, couple OL upgrades and a viable WR opposite Ginn can do.

[BlueFin]

I Like Beck, I like his chances of becoming a very good NFL qb, maybe even Pro Bowl caliber.

With that said, I don't think a team should ever put all its eggs in one QB's basket.

One of the biggest mistakes I saw in drafting from the time JJ took over, all the way thru the Saban era, was that the Dolphins stopped seriously looking to draft QB prospects.

In my opinion, a team should always be looking for another good QB prospect, even when it has a star QB.

Even if your star QB stays healthy, having another great QB prospect is great trade material.

I don't mean spend the 1st pick in this draft on a QB, but if at some point later in the draft there is a great prospect at one of our draft positions, we should take one.

I do believe we will draft another QB in this draft, just not at #1.

[StLouisFinFan]

Originally Posted by MrEd

No, I dont agree. Beck may be the long term answer at "backup" QB, but not the long term answer at starting QB. I'd give him a chance to start "this" season, but I'd at the very least draft a Joe Flacco to groom as the long term answer and at most, draft Matt Ryan as the long term answer.

But I wouldnt put all my eggs in one basket of John Beck. thats not smart investing.

Of course, because Joe Flacco has positioned himself as a franchise QB type. Pfff. What in God's name is wrong with you people? If John Beck had a clone and his name was Joe Smith, and he had the exact same eye popping numbers as JB did in college (38/8 TD/INT ratio; 70% completion perc.; 12K career yards; etc.), you'd be clamoring for "Joe Smith" in the second round to provide the "long term answer at the QB position". And when he struggled, you'd be looking to draft another. The grass is always greener folks.

[themole]

Originally Posted by StLouisFinFan

Adam, did you not see the last TD strike in the Bengals game? I believe I recall you mentioning you didn't get to seet that game, and that play. Anyway, that single play along restored alot of confidence for me, and not because of the result. It was a 7 step drop, he planted, bounced a few times while going through his progressions from left to right, and then suddenly bolted out of the pocket to an open space to the right (apparently heard the rush coming from the back side; and he was about a half second from gettting taken down) and while on the run threw about a 25 yard spiralled dart into the back right corner of the end zone for Hagan. I was excited b/c in one play, he showed he could "sense" the pressure, that his first instinct was to bolt out of the pocket for open space while keeping his eyes downfield (as opposed to some QBs who sense the pressure and fold up anticipating the hit), and threw a laser strike on the run. All of this, mind you, after having endured the embarrasment he caused himself with that first snap/fumble/TD; that took someone with guts to hold himself together.

You and I obviously differ on our opinion of JB, but I'll say that while I'm not totally sold on him (need to see more of him), I do believe he has the raw talent to pull it off and be a big time winner. He'll never be a Marino, but he'll be the best Mormon QB this town has ever seen! (LOL)

Well, currently, Scott Mitchell holds that distinction.

[adamprez2003]

Originally Posted by StLouisFinFan

Adam, did you not see the last TD strike in the Bengals game? I believe I recall you mentioning you didn't get to seet that game, and that play. Anyway, that single play along restored alot of confidence for me, and not because of the result. It was a 7 step drop, he planted, bounced a few times while going through his progressions from left to right, and then suddenly bolted out of the pocket to an open space to the right (apparently heard the rush coming from the back side; and he was about a half second from gettting taken down) and while on the run threw about a 25 yard spiralled dart into the back right corner of the end zone for Hagan. I was excited b/c in one play, he showed he could "sense" the pressure, that his first instinct was to bolt out of the pocket for open space while keeping his eyes downfield (as opposed to some QBs who sense the pressure and fold up anticipating the hit), and threw a laser strike on the run. All of this, mind you, after having endured the embarrasment he caused himself with that first snap/fumble/TD; that took someone with guts to hold himself together.

You and I obviously differ on our opinion of JB, but I'll say that while I'm not totally sold on him (need to see more of him), I do believe he has the raw talent to pull it off and be a big time winner. He'll never be a Marino, but he'll be the best Mormon QB this town has ever seen! (LOL)

Actually just found that play on youtube and I think I was overly critical. He was a little late spotting the receiver getting open but that's fine. It was his 2nd option and though he took a little too long to look at another option, with time he'll make that read quicker. The pass also wasnt really bad. I thought it was a little closer to forcing the receiver out of bounds. Thought it was a longer pass play originally. If he can throw like that on a regular basis he'll be an effective starter. If he can find some deep accuracy then he can be good

[padre31]

Originally Posted by StLouisFinFan

Of course, because Joe Flacco has positioned himself as a franchise QB type. Pfff. What in God's name is wrong with you people? If John Beck had a clone and his name was Joe Smith, and he had the exact same eye popping numbers as JB did in college (38/8 TD/INT ratio; 70% completion perc.; 12K career yards; etc.), you'd be clamoring for "Joe Smith" in the second round to provide the "long term answer at the QB position". And when he struggled, you'd be looking to draft another. The grass is always greener folks.

Joe Smith?

When I said "John Beck should be named the starter" that wasn't really as a favor to Beck, our line will be new and more then likely have 2 or 3 new guys and Satele and Carey will be operating under a new blocking scheme..INOW Beck could get killed at the start of the season, but NFL QB's make plays even when things aren't even 75% of where they should be.

He is quick, so he at least has a chance for the first 3 games while our line gels, until it does though....run Johnny Run....

[inFINSible]

Originally Posted by StLouisFinFan

True. And don't forget the pop he took during pre-season against the Chiefs when he sacrificed his body for a score in a meaningless game. As they say, he's a "baller". And I hear you on the Lemon thing, I couldn't believe what I was seeing when he non-chalantly stepped out offering nothing more than a feeble attempt to nudge the ball a few inches in the direction of the pylon. All he had to do was say "OK big boy, it's you and me; bring it on!" and barrelled toward the end zone and he gets in 9 times out of 10. All men have a defining moment in their lives and careers, that was his.

You know, that was the moment when i said, okay, I'm done evaluating Cleo Lemon.....that's when I knew he didn't have "it". You can't lead an offense if you aren't willing to lay it all on the line for a score. That is just flat out the wrong attitude for the position.

[JsBaugh]

Originally Posted by StLouisFinFan

Of course, because Joe Flacco has positioned himself as a franchise QB type. Pfff. What in God's name is wrong with you people? If John Beck had a clone and his name was Joe Smith, and he had the exact same eye popping numbers as JB did in college (38/8 TD/INT ratio; 70% completion perc.; 12K career yards; etc.), you'd be clamoring for "Joe Smith" in the second round to provide the "long term answer at the QB position". And when he struggled, you'd be looking to draft another. The grass is always greener folks.

Your post sums up all the haters on this site.

[Deus Ex Dolphin]

Originally Posted by PublixSubsRule

At age 27, How can he be the long term answer at QB for us?

Thats one of the biggest things I had about drafting him, he was going to be 26 his rookie year and 27 in his second season. It usually takes about 2-3 years for a QB to hit his prime, so Beck will be 28-29 when we peeks.

So, if he plays till he's 35, we get about 6-7 good years of QB play? I'll take it. The revolving door at QB since Marino retired is REALLY old, and despite the ideal situation being having a QB for 10+ years, I'll take 6 good years.

BTW, even if Beck works out, it would be good to draft a QB in the third or later rounds at least every two years and see if they develop into the next starter or trade bait.