Dolphins Coach JJ agreed. ''The Patriots knew our Audibles" - Page 2

Etuoo33 · 04-02-2008, 05:34 PM

My question would be, why a professional football team wouldn't/couldn't change up the audibles, in a division that you had infinite familiarity? If another team could learn your signals, why couldn't you change enough to take advantage of that? Again it points to the total incompetence of the recent coaching staffs! I could look at the tv and know what the Pats were up to, but our 'coach' couldn't. Then he had the b@!!s to blame the best player the Phins ever had. It's no wonder we are in the shape we are in. You almost can't blame the other team, for our coaches shortcommings.

Finfan53 · 04-02-2008, 05:43 PM

I recall reading another article somewhere during last season, one of the player personnel guys was on the plane flying back home to Miami after that game... JJ was watching the game film on a small tv and caught on quick what had happened. He got so upset almost throwing the tv and yelling at Gary Stevens, with Stevens saying something to the effect "its not my fault" over and over.
Anybody else remember reading that article? Don't be upset with the pats....be upset with Byars or our coaching staff.... take responsibility for your own actions or lack there of.

NWFLJoe · 04-02-2008, 08:08 PM

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My question would be, why a professional football team wouldn't/couldn't change up the audibles

Word around the league was that the Dolphins couldn't change their audibles because Marino wasn't smart enough to remember the new ones.

OK, OK...just kidding. That was just to see if I could make anyone's brain explode. The only thing that will elicit a more passionate response than poking at Jason Taylor is attacking Danny Football.

davster82 · 04-02-2008, 09:50 PM

We have been a wreck since Don Shula retired. Maybe a little before.

TrinidadDolfan · 04-03-2008, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Geforce

There's no what if involved here. It definitely involved an ex-player.

There was a play in the 3rd quarter that I remember vividly. The Patriots lined up as if they were going to blitz. Dan Marino recognized it and called an audible. As Marino called the audible, Patriots LB Todd Collins could be seen looking over to the sideline at Keith Byers. Byers then relayed what the audible was. It was a slant pattern to McDuffie. Collins jumped the route and returned the interception for a touchdown and turned a closely contested 7-0 game into a 14-0 deficit that the Dolphins could not come close to overcoming.

It really doen't matter HOW they got our signals, if they grilled Byars for our audibles, then....

a) it is still unethical
b) it is still against the spirit of the game
c) it, in my book, it still cheating

The Pats suck and I hope Keith Byars is flipping burgers at a fast food joint

Bumpus · 04-03-2008, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TrinidadDolfan

It really doen't matter HOW they got our signals, if they grilled Byars for our audibles, then....

a) it is still unethical
b) it is still against the spirit of the game
c) it, in my book, it still cheating

The Pats suck and I hope Keith Byars is flipping burgers at a fast food joint

OMG ... do you really think that the Pats are the only team to do this? Hell, we've done it before.

BTW, I agree ... the Pats suck!

Bumpus · 04-03-2008, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by NWFLJoe

Word around the league was that the Dolphins couldn't change their audibles because Marino wasn't smart enough to remember the new ones...

GFY

Frank B · 04-03-2008, 05:04 PM

HA HA HA HA...this thread is making me laugh.

1. How can you enforce a penalty on a franchise for past transgressions that have nothing to do with the current coaching or front office staff?
2. We were dumb enough to cut Keith Byars and then not change our audibles.
3. Until the NFL outlaws the practice of another team signing a player that has been cut, I won't be outraged by this practice. You might have an argument if Byars had somehow duplicated his whole playbook with the corresponding audibles and just handed it over to the Pats, but otherwise it was on the Dolphins coaching staff to make sure the audibles had changed.

theFreak41 · 04-03-2008, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TrinidadDolfan

It really doen't matter HOW they got our signals, if they grilled Byars for our audibles, then....

a) it is still unethical
b) it is still against the spirit of the game
c) it, in my book, it still cheating

The Pats suck and I hope Keith Byars is flipping burgers at a fast food joint

Wait, I understand hating the Patriots, because I do too, but Byars got cut by us because he and the coach weren't getting along. What did he owe JJ at that point? JJ fired him, allowing him to go to a chief competitor, and then didn't think that changing the audibles was a top priority. Byars is no dummy. You've got to figure he wanted some payback on old Hair Helmet...

Stringer Bell · 04-03-2008, 05:32 PM

stealing signals is not illegal

G-Force · 04-03-2008, 05:34 PM

Thats why they put headsets on the defensive side of the ball. Of course stealing signals was'nt bad.

Stringer Bell · 04-03-2008, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by G-Force

Thats why they put headsets on the defensive side of the ball. Of course stealing signals was'nt bad.

thats the purpose of having signals...its perfectly fine to steal signals. whats illegal is using a video camera and taping signals.

you can have an artist sit on your sideline and draw pictures of the signals, its perfectly legal. any team dumb enough to use the same signals week-to-week deserves to get them stolen. its part of the game.

TrinidadDolfan · 04-03-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by theFreak41

Wait, I understand hating the Patriots, because I do too, but Byars got cut by us because he and the coach weren't getting along. What did he owe JJ at that point? JJ fired him, allowing him to go to a chief competitor, and then didn't think that changing the audibles was a top priority. Byars is no dummy. You've got to figure he wanted some payback on old Hair Helmet...

Well, if I were Byars I would have wanted to handout some payback as well.

The only difference would be that it would have meant nothing to me unless I did it "straight up".

G-Force · 04-03-2008, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Stringer Bell

thats the purpose of having signals...its perfectly fine to steal signals. whats illegal is using a video camera and taping signals.

you can have an artist sit on your sideline and draw pictures of the signals, its perfectly legal. any team dumb enough to use the same signals week-to-week deserves to get them stolen. its part of the game.

It wasn't illegal but it was'nt very good sportsmanship either. We shouldn't have that problem anymore anyway.

Roman529 · 04-03-2008, 06:47 PM

Sounds like it was JJ's fault for this. Don't blame the Pats.

04-02-2008, 05:43 PM	#17
Finfan53 17-0 Still Perfect Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Age: 36 Posts: 1,374 Thanks: 2 Thanked 16 Times in 14 Posts	I recall reading another article somewhere during last season, one of the player personnel guys was on the plane flying back home to Miami after that game... JJ was watching the game film on a small tv and caught on quick what had happened. He got so upset almost throwing the tv and yelling at Gary Stevens, with Stevens saying something to the effect "its not my fault" over and over. Anybody else remember reading that article? Don't be upset with the pats....be upset with Byars or our coaching staff.... take responsibility for your own actions or lack there of. __________________ Every week in this league is an opportunity and responsibility to prove yourself, no matter who you are or what you have done. -Jason Taylor

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davster82 Pro Bowler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Central Mississippi Age: 44 Posts: 1,119 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	We have been a wreck since Don Shula retired. Maybe a little before. __________________ There are three kinds of people, those who can count and those who can't. 3 out of 2 people have trouble with math.

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Stringer Bell MY LEVEL &gt; YOUR LEVEL Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 662 Thanks: 112 Thanked 92 Times in 52 Posts	stealing signals is not illegal __________________

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G-Force Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Marion, N.C. Age: 31 Posts: 6,023 Thanks: 156 Thanked 252 Times in 176 Posts	Thats why they put headsets on the defensive side of the ball. Of course stealing signals was'nt bad. __________________ It's not just BB anymore. Go HEELS!!!!!!

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Roman529 Moon Runner / The 3 AM Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 25,013 Thanks: 91 Thanked 314 Times in 239 Posts	Sounds like it was JJ's fault for this. Don't blame the Pats. __________________

04-03-2008, 05:04 PM	#23
Frank B Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 279 Thanks: 0 Thanked 11 Times in 5 Posts	HA HA HA HA...this thread is making me laugh. 1. How can you enforce a penalty on a franchise for past transgressions that have nothing to do with the current coaching or front office staff? 2. We were dumb enough to cut Keith Byars and then not change our audibles. 3. Until the NFL outlaws the practice of another team signing a player that has been cut, I won't be outraged by this practice. You might have an argument if Byars had somehow duplicated his whole playbook with the corresponding audibles and just handed it over to the Pats, but otherwise it was on the Dolphins coaching staff to make sure the audibles had changed.

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