Dolphins Coach JJ agreed. ''The Patriots knew our Audibles"

[cowboy82nd]

Originally Posted by TrinidadDolfan

What the hell, take 2 years of their draft AND suspend Belicheat for 2 years

Belicheat wasn't there then.

[theFreak41]

Originally Posted by TrinidadDolfan

Well, if I were Byars I would have wanted to handout some payback as well.

The only difference would be that it would have meant nothing to me unless I did it "straight up".

You do what you can. If it had been you, and your new team had asked you to share what you know, you'd have done it...

[TrinidadDolfan]

Originally Posted by theFreak41

You do what you can. If it had been you, and your new team had asked you to share what you know, you'd have done it...

and if they would have asked me for the playbook would I have given it to them? No.

You don't do anything in sports or life just because you "can", you have to be able to look back on your career with pride.

Hey, lets just agree to disagree on this. I would not have done it because it was not "in the spirit of the game"......thats just me.

[Ludacris]

I remember that day. I was 20yo at the time. There wasn't any cheating involved. The Pats just recognized our audibles when we used them because we used the same set of audibles every game we played them. JJ then had to change the audibles around. It's not like they filmed our practices.

[juniorseau55]

If I'm not mistaken, Jimmy Johnson went public in tv and said that all teams cheat. Other coaches agreed so spygate is nothing but a hypocrite onslaught. The senate should have no bussiness in football affairs. Specially a pennsylvania senator.

[dahlmarino]

I hate the Patriots, too...but honestly, how is this relevant?

[dolpns13]

Originally Posted by TrinidadDolfan

Ok Guys, since Spygate has reared it's head again, and the league seems to be intent on sweeping it under the rug without REALLY hurting the damn Patriots......do you remember?

Do you remember 1997?


I do.

I remember the Pats laughing at us on the field, DURING the game. Why? Because they knew our calls! They knew it, we knew it, Jimmy Johnson and the coaching staff knew it.

The Patriots should be nailed to the cross with no draft picks for 2 years. Spread the word Dolphin fans...who knows, maybe it will reach the right ears!!!

Here is the link: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...51C1A961958260

and here is an excerpt:
PRO FOOTBALL; Patriots Get Good Laugh At Expense Of Dolphins

By GERALD ESKENAZI
Published: December 29, 1997
The Patriots were laughing at Dan Marino today. Wave after wave of red-white-and-blue-clad Patriots assailed the great Dolphin quarterback, or suddenly dropped into formations that took away his passing lanes in ways that few teams have the nerve or inclination to try.
So the resurgent Patriots, who were on the verge of watching their season collapse last month, produced a 17-3 victory in the American Football Conference's wild-card round. They advance to the division playoffs at Pittsburgh next Saturday and could be building the sort of confident aura that helped them make it to the Super Bowl last season, although they are doing it for a different coach, the fuzzier Pete Carroll rather than the hard-edged Bill Parcells.
Carroll said that playing the Dolphins three times this year, including twice in a seven-day span, helped his team. Dolphins Coach Jimmy Johnson agreed. ''The Patriots knew our audibles,'' Johnson said. ''They were laughing at our plays.'' That was because the Patriots had become familiar with them in the course of defeating the Dolphins three times since Nov. 23. Johnson said there was little he could do to fool the heady Patriot defenders. ''We tried changing the audibles during the season,'' he said, but that ended up confusing his own players.

And another excerpt:

"They did not miss this one. Clay had countered Marino's audible with one of his own, and that positioned Collins to become the first Patriot to return an interception for a playoff touchdown."

Remember what JJ said about Spygate.. He said (paraphrasing)," if they want my signals, here, take them, you can have them. Because at the end of the day you still have to be able to stop the play." His point was a perfectly executed play can never be stopped, even if the defense knows your calling it.

IMO, i think its BS. If you know the play you have an advantage. You can make cases for both arguements

[G-Force]

Jimmy Johnson is a announcer and not a coach anymore. Any BS that spewed from his mouth is part of the NFL's cover up and should be taken with a grain of salt. Ask the active coaches what they think. Ohh yeah, they passed the mic'D up D player rule didn't they? All announcers, officials,the commisioners office, and the Pats are wanting this thing to go away because they have helped taint the game of football and the NFL in general.

[theFreak41]

Originally Posted by TrinidadDolfan

and if they would have asked me for the playbook would I have given it to them? No.

You don't do anything in sports or life just because you "can", you have to be able to look back on your career with pride.

Hey, lets just agree to disagree on this. I would not have done it because it was not "in the spirit of the game"......thats just me.

First of all, you turn your playbook in when you're released. That's pretty common knowledge.

Second of all, the spirit of the game? BS! If JJ had picked up an ex-Pat, he'd have asked for the same type of insight. It has nothing to do with the spirit of the game. It has to do with trying to get every advantage you can legally get. This is the NFL, not freaking Pee-Wee football.

Should Byars have taken a vow to never dispell anything he knew about the Dolphins upon his release? If they'd asked him for a scouting report on our right guard, should he have refused to give it because it violates "the spirit of the game"? Of course not! The man has every right to share what he knows, especially when he's treated as shabbily as JJ treated him...