Dolphins Coach JJ agreed. ''The Patriots knew our Audibles"

[TrinidadDolfan]

Ok Guys, since Spygate has reared it's head again, and the league seems to be intent on sweeping it under the rug without REALLY hurting the damn Patriots......do you remember?

Do you remember 1997?


I do.

I remember the Pats laughing at us on the field, DURING the game. Why? Because they knew our calls! They knew it, we knew it, Jimmy Johnson and the coaching staff knew it.

The Patriots should be nailed to the cross with no draft picks for 2 years. Spread the word Dolphin fans...who knows, maybe it will reach the right ears!!!

Here is the link: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...51C1A961958260

and here is an excerpt:
PRO FOOTBALL; Patriots Get Good Laugh At Expense Of Dolphins

By GERALD ESKENAZI
Published: December 29, 1997
The Patriots were laughing at Dan Marino today. Wave after wave of red-white-and-blue-clad Patriots assailed the great Dolphin quarterback, or suddenly dropped into formations that took away his passing lanes in ways that few teams have the nerve or inclination to try.
So the resurgent Patriots, who were on the verge of watching their season collapse last month, produced a 17-3 victory in the American Football Conference's wild-card round. They advance to the division playoffs at Pittsburgh next Saturday and could be building the sort of confident aura that helped them make it to the Super Bowl last season, although they are doing it for a different coach, the fuzzier Pete Carroll rather than the hard-edged Bill Parcells.
Carroll said that playing the Dolphins three times this year, including twice in a seven-day span, helped his team. Dolphins Coach Jimmy Johnson agreed. ''The Patriots knew our audibles,'' Johnson said. ''They were laughing at our plays.'' That was because the Patriots had become familiar with them in the course of defeating the Dolphins three times since Nov. 23. Johnson said there was little he could do to fool the heady Patriot defenders. ''We tried changing the audibles during the season,'' he said, but that ended up confusing his own players.

And another excerpt:

"They did not miss this one. Clay had countered Marino's audible with one of his own, and that positioned Collins to become the first Patriot to return an interception for a playoff touchdown."

[TrinidadDolfan]

What the hell, take 2 years of their draft AND suspend Belicheat for 2 years

[G-Force]

I think they should strip the ownership of Craft and ban everyone involved for life from the NFL. They should also strip the Pats of all SB's and player records and make them pay the Panthers, Rams and whoever else's rings and move the franchise to another city.

[TrinidadDolfan]

Originally Posted by G-Force

I think they should strip the ownership of Craft and ban everyone involved for life from the NFL. They should also strip the Pats of all SB's and player records and make them pay the Panthers, Rams and whoever else's rings and move the franchise to another city.

You missed having them hire Wandstat as their new coach!

[theFreak41]

That's an old story, and from the way I heard it, it had nothing to do with cameras, but a former Dolphin released earlier in the season - Keith Byars.

Yes, the Patriots knew our audibles, but not because of cameras, rather because we cut a veteran fullback whom they picked up, and we never changed our signals...

[GRYPHONK]

Originally Posted by theFreak41

That's an old story, and from the way I heard it, it had nothing to do with cameras, but a former Dolphin released earlier in the season - Keith Byars.

Yes, the Patriots knew our audibles, but not because of cameras, rather because we cut a veteran fullback whom they picked up, and we never changed our signals...

Exactly. In this case there was no cheating. Johnson himself said they couldn't change their audibles.

If you see the same audibles 3 games, 2 specifically in a week span then you should be able to pick up some of them if they don't change

[becktoginn]

i hate them with a passion!! they should never beallowed to draft again!

[TrinidadDolfan]

Originally Posted by theFreak41

That's an old story, and from the way I heard it, it had nothing to do with cameras, but a former Dolphin released earlier in the season - Keith Byars.

Yes, the Patriots knew our audibles, but not because of cameras, rather because we cut a veteran fullback whom they picked up, and we never changed our signals...

Well, I remember that that was the feeling at the time...that the ex-player could have been the cause. But what if it had nothing to do with the "ex-player" at all?

What if it was stealing calls via video?

Either way, it seems as though the Pats have a 11 year history of trying to gain an UNFAIR ADVANTAGE through getting the other team's audibles.

THEY CHEAT.

Your proposed scenario (if possible) is the same as a player leaving a team and handing over the entire playbook to the new team.

Either way.....

THEY CHEAT.

And, well....I hate the entire organisation.

[G-Force]

They should be stripped, tarred, and featherd and drug through the streets of NE all the way to the West coach stopping to be whipped and beaten by ever football fan along the way.

[slipperysoap]

I will rewatch the game tonight. But I am pretty sure that Keith Byars and the fact that at the time Gary Stevens refused to change the audibles the Pats knew exactly what was happening. Plus this was the 3rd meeting of the teams in 1997 All won by the Pats. Ironically TUNA was the Coach.

I will post a few examples of this on UTUBE will be available tommorow.

[GRYPHONK]

Originally Posted by slipperysoap

I will rewatch the game tonight. But I am pretty sure that Keith Byars and the fact that at the time Gary Stevens refused to change the audibles the Pats knew exactly what was happening. Plus this was the 3rd meeting of the teams in 1997 All won by the Pats. Ironically TUNA was the Coach.

I will post a few examples of this on UTUBE will be available tommorow.

Wasn't Carroll the coach?

[NWFLJoe]

I have two words in response to this:

1. E
2. Leven

It was ELEVEN years ago.

Eleven.

Switch to decaf and take one of Brett Favre's old, stale vicodin. Repeat as necessary.

[Geforce]

Originally Posted by TrinidadDolfan

Well, I remember that that was the feeling at the time...that the ex-player could have been the cause. But what if it had nothing to do with the "ex-player" at all?

There's no what if involved here. It definitely involved an ex-player.

There was a play in the 3rd quarter that I remember vividly. The Patriots lined up as if they were going to blitz. Dan Marino recognized it and called an audible. As Marino called the audible, Patriots LB Todd Collins could be seen looking over to the sideline at Keith Byers. Byers then relayed what the audible was. It was a slant pattern to McDuffie. Collins jumped the route and returned the interception for a touchdown and turned a closely contested 7-0 game into a 14-0 deficit that the Dolphins could not come close to overcoming.

[Nublar7]

Originally Posted by slipperysoap

I will rewatch the game tonight. But I am pretty sure that Keith Byars and the fact that at the time Gary Stevens refused to change the audibles the Pats knew exactly what was happening. Plus this was the 3rd meeting of the teams in 1997 All won by the Pats. Ironically TUNA was the Coach.

I will post a few examples of this on UTUBE will be available tommorow.

Pete Carroll was the head coach, not Parcells.

[#1dolphinsfan]

they should take away there other #1 draft pick

I personnaly dont think it would have mattered if they knew our plays or not alot of other teams might not have known and the still beat us