ESPN continues to hammer Fins’ talent level

[Virginia99]

Originally Posted by BAMAPHIN 22

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/c...e_the_dolphins

Hey, news flash, Fins are coming off 1-15 season. Not really good or proven in any area. Strongest part of team is running backs and that is a bit of a question with Ronnie's injury and Ricky's history. We don't need to talk about ESPN/Scouts rating each unit and putting the Dolphins near the bottom of the heap. Don't worry about it. Lets just have hope they are headed in teh right direction. I have a feeeling that sametime next year some of these untis will be ranked higher.

[Brassmonki14120]

Originally Posted by evenflow58

You don't know that. Quinn could be just as bad as any QB we had last year behind that line.

Also, conventional thought is that WR have about 3 years to show what they're worth.

How you can judge a player after one year, especially on a team as bad as Miami is, is beyond me.

You could have built an offense around Quinn and for Quinn. You can build an offense around Beck but it's going to be for Becks successor here in the next few seasons.

When you take a reciever @ #9 you expect him to have some recieving skills not just run after the catch ability.

[Canadianfishfan]

Originally Posted by Brassmonki14120

You could have built an offense around Quinn and for Quinn. You can build an offense around Beck but it's going to be for Becks successor here in the next few seasons.

When you take a reciever @ #9 you expect him to have some recieving skills not just run after the catch ability.

I think you've bought into the quinn hype. Truth is we still don't know what Quinn can do. And to be honest, there is no saying he'd play any better than Beck behind the line we had last year... I don't think ANY QB would've played well behind the line we had last year.

[Brassmonki14120]

Originally Posted by Canadianfishfan

I think you've bought into the quinn hype. Truth is we still don't know what Quinn can do. And to be honest, there is no saying he'd play any better than Beck behind the line we had last year... I don't think ANY QB would've played well behind the line we had last year.

Which one of us is REALLY buying into the hype.

[Kdawg954]

these morons ranked the running game 25th out of 32 . . . I mean Ronnie is on schedule and Ricky is healthy . . . we added a guy in Jake Long who should be a Road Grader in the run game . . . I mean the Fins are going to RUN THE BALL . . . that is a ridiculous ranking and gives more proof to not even bothering with the ESPN fools.

[MiaDolph99]

Originally Posted by Shamboubou

I'll give you that coaching may have been 35% of the problem here, injuries probably about another 25% because much of our young talent was injured last year. QB play and O-Line was about 20% of our problem, Age of our players 15%, and just the pure lack of talent around about 10%. We have some talent on this team, that needs the opportunity to shine. I do agree its more about having a team than it is about having talent. We have young talent on the O-Line, WR, QB, and RB. Our defensive side of the ball still leaves some to be wanting for, but I think they are a solid group, they arn't going to be great this year, but they will be solid.

I think we are a little better than the rankings we scored, but on the same hand you cant give a team that just went 1-15 great rankings.

I would say coaching was 50% of the problem. Too much age and lack of experience both played a role, I'd say that was 20% of the problem. I'd give QB/Oline play 15% of the problem. Injuries 14% and lack of talent 1% cause it wasnt really a lack of talent.. it was a lack of experience on offense (Rookies started at QB, WR, Oline). We were down to Patrick Cobbs at RB at one point in the season, we had special teamers playing safety because of injuries.. so it deff wasnt a lack of talent. But, your original post you only mentioned our FA acquisitions.. so i guess we're not relying on Jake Long (starting LT), Philip Merling, Chad Henne or Kendall Langford at all? Also Justin Smiley and Ernest Wilford were drastically underrated with their perspective teams last year.. Smiley was injured but Wilford led the Jags in TD receptions.. which if you look at it we brought him in to improve the red zone offense. Ted Ginn and John Beck will be better with a full season and offseason under their belts.. the Oline is rebuilt, we have Ricky and Ronnie back and Anthony Fasano who can hopefully help with the passing game and blocking. So, I'd say our offense will be drastically better this year. Defensive wise.. it doesnt matter what they rank our Dline.. in the 3-4 Linebackers make the plays and with Ayodele, Crowder in the middle and Torbor and JP on the outside id say we're pretty good.. the only thing i think we need is a playmaking safety to go with Yeremiah Bell (who is also back from injury).. maybe Roy Williams? would be nice. Lehan is a pleasant suprise and Will Allen will be solid as always so i think we are deff gonna suprise some people this year

[Brassmonki14120]

Originally Posted by Kdawg954

these morons ranked the running game 25th out of 32 . . . I mean Ronnie is on schedule and Ricky is healthy . . . we added a guy in Jake Long who should be a Road Grader in the run game . . . I mean the Fins are going to RUN THE BALL . . . that is a ridiculous ranking and gives more proof to not even bothering with the ESPN fools.

They probably believe that most defenses will be stacking 8 in the box because no-one will respect the passing game until a Miami passer burns them a few times.

[evenflow58]

Originally Posted by Brassmonki14120

You could have built an offense around Quinn and for Quinn. You can build an offense around Beck but it's going to be for Becks successor here in the next few seasons.

When you take a reciever @ #9 you expect him to have some recieving skills not just run after the catch ability.

Why would an offense created for Beck be for his successor? It's not uncommon for QBs to play into their late 30's. Also, you need to be good enough to stay on the field no matter what your age. Neither QB has shown that profiency.

Why does Ginn not have recieving skills? I understand his route running needs work, but so do most rookie WRs. I also understand he only caught 34 passes, but I would say that is due to lack of opportunity rather than his ability.

I'm not saying either of these players is great or even good, my point is rather that they have not had enough of an opportunity, be it in a game or practice, to give an impression one way or another.

[Brassmonki14120]

Originally Posted by evenflow58

Why would an offense created for Beck be for his successor? It's not uncommon for QBs to play into their late 30's. Also, you need to be good enough to stay on the field no matter what your age. Neither QB has shown that profiency.

Why does Ginn not have recieving skills? I understand his route running needs work, but so do most rookie WRs. I also understand he only caught 34 passes, but I would say that is due to lack of opportunity rather than his ability.

I'm not saying either of these players is great or even good, my point is rather that they have not had enough of an opportunity, be it in a game or practice, to give an impression one way or another.

The offense is being created around Beck not for him. Beck was drafted in the 2nd round of last years draft. If I were BP I would look at it as someone elses mistake and let Beck and McCown be the backfield tackling dummies this season while the offense learns so play together as a unit.

BP didn't take Henne in the second round for nothin' and don't tell me he was a value pick. Henne will be BP's starting QB in 2009 or 2010.

To take as big a project player as Ginn with the 9th overall pick is insane.
He played in every game last year. His play was mediocre at best. I don't know how he didn't make an impression on you "one way or another".

[FinFrenzy]

Originally Posted by Kdawg954

these morons ranked the running game 25th out of 32 . . . I mean Ronnie is on schedule and Ricky is healthy . . . we added a guy in Jake Long who should be a Road Grader in the run game . . . I mean the Fins are going to RUN THE BALL . . . that is a ridiculous ranking and gives more proof to not even bothering with the ESPN fools.

I agree and when we can run we'll be able to pass easier. It doesn't make any sense just look how ronnie came out as a stud last year.

[Etuoo33]

Originally Posted by Brassmonki14120

The Giants won the Super Bowl because their D-Line was deep and they kept sending fresh guys in to blitz brady all game. They also ate up the clock to keep the ball out of the Bradys hands. No genius coaching at all.

Miami was 1-15 but coaching was just a small part of it. The Phins have been passing good players and picking up the cream of the crap for the past few years. That helped lead to the dismal 2007 season.

Two words, Brady Quinn. An offense could have been built around him.

Instead the phins picked up Ted Ginn jr. with the 9th overall pick in the draft. A player in possibly the worst Wide Reciever corps is the league and he isn't even good enough to be the #1.

I didn't know that Quinn had even become a starter much less a 'franchise QB'

[Brassmonki14120]

Originally Posted by Etuoo33

I didn't know that Quinn had even become a starter much less a 'franchise QB'

I don't remember saying he was a starter but I bet he could start in Miami.

So you don't think an offense can be built around Quinn?

Are you satisfied with the fins taking Ginn over Quinn?

[6r3yf0x]

ESPN sucks... they hate Miami and would like nothing better then to see our 72 season record trashed...

Everytime a team goes past 6 wins they start trashing the 72 Fins, and comparing the 6-0 team to past teams.

Look at the Cheaters last year, ESPN was trumping them up and ignoring the facts that they were and have been Cheating for years.

I refuse to watch ESPN, I truly hate them... the only time I have to suffer through their broadcast is when the Fins play on Sunday night, or Monday night.

[BladeRunner]

These ESPN "TOOLS" know nothing..... They need to change the filter in their crack pipes. They are inhaling way to much residue.

With a solid running game, anything can happen. Ricky and Ronnie are bruising backs. We shall see....

[eger]

This isn't a very good football team, we look aweful on paper. Both Coaches, players, and *most fans realize we are in rebuilding mode. This team is not short handed on talent, but it's going to take time to gel. I expect a season similar to last season with a win or two more.