Great to see Taylor's character

[67Stang]

Originally Posted by SpaceMountain16

The people who turned on Jason Taylor this off-season are clowns, it's clear how passionate Jason Taylor was towards the Dolphins organization and their fans, and his class is unlimited. People who call him the Dancing Queen (real creative by the way) need to realize that this guy, not missing a game in 11 years, playing through pain and playing at a high level, being a dedicated member of the community and a guy who his team mates can count on is someone Dolphin fans should think of as a role model.

But we dont.....because he missed voluntary workouts......

It's not a question of what he did in the past, he was the man. It was the fact he was the face of the franchise, a leader on this team, and the only Dolphin not to show up for anything we did. If the Dolphin's were so important to him, he would have been here from day one, especially after a 1-15 season. Last year was embarassing, and most wanted to get back into it to restore this proud Franchises history. The only one that didn't show up is the guy who says his heart is in Miami... B.S. I don't know when it happened, but football just beacme a buisness to him. If you can't see that by his actions, you are blind.

[phinfan2003]

Originally Posted by godolphins1985

You think he really did change his mind? In the matter of instantly going to a new team he changes his mind?? Im not gonna go on and list the persistant things he has done on the offseason but it is enough in MY eyes to dub that Thankyou BS paper garbage in my eyes.

If you hate JT for this, then you have to hate BP and co. for saying "we want JT" and "why would we trade such a good player?" and within hours of Phillip Daniels going down for the year, JT is traded to the Redskins.

[WVdolphan]

Originally Posted by Rdskn4lyf21

From your same line of thinking, what did Marino do for you all? Personal records, that's it.

He never brought home a Lombardi. Your logic is flawed.

You guys got to see a great player, a Hall of Famer, play for over a decade, and you don't give a ****? That's just ungrateful....

Dan Marino was a winner who made every season he played aside from that one 6-10 year an exciting one to watch. EVERY YEAR we were in the mix for the playoffs or in the playoffs BECAUSE of Marino. And every year if we got in every team in the league knew we were capable of winning in any stadium vs. any team BECAUSE of Marino. Even when teams were alot better than us we always had a punchers chance. Marino could drop 30 on any defense on any day. Everyone knew it too. No one really wanted any part of us in the playoffs. And Marino played on alot of teams that werent very talented, but his ability alone made us a winning team. Big difference between he and the dancing queen.

[godolphins1985]

Originally Posted by phinfan2003

That would never happen because TO, despite being an amazing player, has always shown himself to be a selfish, "me first" guy. For people to think that all of a sudden he would change that by saying "sorry" or "i love you" everyone would know it was fake. On the other hand, all JT has shown the fans and the organization was support and loyalty. That's why we know what was written was also heartfelt.

Oh geez....THATS WHY IT WOULD BE CALLED A LIE MY FRIEND. lol TO dont give a rats *** about anyone but himself and would never do that but if he had you would know it was BS. Stop reading into it constantly and just know it was an example....Replace TO with JO SHMO. i dont care just get the example and you will be A OK.

[SpaceMountain16]

Originally Posted by godolphins1985

You said the dolphins wouldnt have winning record threw out his career here without him. Im sure during ricky williams raign as a beast would have done just fine without him

You're wrong, those teams went how the defense played. Ricky Williams could rush for 200 yards in Buffalo (like he did) and the Dolphins still lost because of how poorly the defense and quarterback played. The games that the defense collapsed in the fourth quarter, no matter how Ricky did. Those teams relied on the success of the defense.

[WVdolphan]

Originally Posted by 67Stang

It's not a question of what he did in the past, he was the man. It was the fact he was the face of the franchise, a leader on this team, and the only Dolphin not to show up for anything we did. If the Dolphin's were so important to him, he would have been here from day one, especially after a 1-15 season. Last year was embarassing, and most wanted to get back into it to restore this proud Franchises history. The only one that didn't show up is the guy who says his heart is in Miami... B.S. I don't know when it happened, but football just beacme a buisness to him. If you can't see that by his actions, you are blind.

Bullseye

[SpaceMountain16]

Originally Posted by 67Stang

It's not a question of what he did in the past, he was the man. It was the fact he was the face of the franchise, a leader on this team, and the only Dolphin not to show up for anything we did. If the Dolphin's were so important to him, he would have been here from day one, especially after a 1-15 season. Last year was embarassing, and most wanted to get back into it to restore this proud Franchises history. The only one that didn't show up is the guy who says his heart is in Miami... B.S. I don't know when it happened, but football just beacme a buisness to him. If you can't see that by his actions, you are blind.

Football is a career, and a career that doesn't last forever. I dont see a problem with missing voluntary workouts to set yourself up for a career after football. He's an aging player, winding down, certainly in his twilight, and while using Football as a pedestal may seem wrong, i dont think it is, ESPECIALLY when he still shows up to play every Sunday. When it counts. Whether he's hurt or not.

[godolphins1985]

Originally Posted by phinfan2003

If you hate JT for this, then you have to hate BP and co. for saying "we want JT" and "why would we trade such a good player?" and within hours of Phillip Daniels going down for the year, JT is traded to the Redskins.

Well lets see....JT says i want to be traded, i only wanna play for 1 more year, not being a team player when the youngins needs some guidance and a figure....why keep a disgruntled player who says he isnt gonna play for more than 1 year and give up a 2nd rounder for that?? Would you keep the man if he said that to you? If BP kept him he would be a poor VP.

[WVdolphan]

Originally Posted by SpaceMountain16

You're wrong, those teams went how the defense played. Ricky Williams could rush for 200 yards in Buffalo (like he did) and the Dolphins still lost because of how poorly the defense and quarterback played. The games that the defense collapsed in the fourth quarter, no matter how Ricky did. Those teams relied on the success of the defense.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!

And the leader of that defense was.........JASON TAYLOR. That team was a QB and a defense that played better in the clutch from being not only a world champion, but one of the best teams in the history of the league. But, the dancing queen as usual folded up in the 4th qtr when we needed a big stop in a big game and made a 10-6 and 9-7 team out of what shouldve been 13 and 14 win seasons.

[godolphins1985]

Originally Posted by WVdolphan

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!

And the leader of that defense was.........JASON TAYLOR. That team was a QB and a defense that played better in the clutch from being not only a world champion, but one of the best teams in the history of the league. But, the dancing queen as usual folded up in the 4th qtr when we needed a big stop in a big game and made a 10-6 and 9-7 team out of what shouldve been 13 and 14 win seasons.

[gota]

Originally Posted by WVdolphan

People keep talking about "all he did for us in 11 years." Can someone explain to me what it is that he did for us? Unless Ive been in a coma for a long while and been dreaming.......arent we currently in the losingest era in this proud franchises history??????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLKDFKRTdlo

It's funny. I never remember all this losing when we had Marino. In fact he only had one losing season out of like 17. So again, what is it that JT has done for us that everyone keeps bringing up and thanking him for? Unless its a sarcastic thanks for being the captain of the team that has lead to the worst point in franchise history and then bolting on us when we really needed a captain.

Not that JT was a real captain, but you get my point. Well, I think you do. Then again if you have the JT wool over your eyes you probably dont and probably never will.

That is a BS comparison. If you think that a defensive end, no matter how "good" he is, impacts wins and losses as much as a Hall of Fame quarterback, then you need to stop posting so much about football and actually start WATCHING it. Defensive ends couldn't possibly consistently win games for you. How many times this decade did we lose because the offense just didn't produce?? Now I'm just sticking up for the defense as a whole! In fact, weren't we a sub 500 team the year he won the Defensive Player of the Year?? Do you really think it's possible for a quarterback to be the Offensive Player of the Year and have his team end up with a sub 500 record? Quarterbacks are waaay more influential on wins and losses than ANY one defensive player.

[Rdskn4lyf21]

Originally Posted by WVdolphan

Dan Marino was a winner who made every season he played aside from that one 6-10 year an exciting one to watch. EVERY YEAR we were in the mix for the playoffs or in the playoffs BECAUSE of Marino. And every year if we got in every team in the league knew we were capable of winning in any stadium vs. any team BECAUSE of Marino. Even when teams were alot better than us we always had a punchers chance. Marino could drop 30 on any defense on any day. Everyone knew it too. No one really wanted any part of us in the playoffs. And Marino played on alot of teams that werent very talented, but his ability alone made us a winning team. Big difference between he and the dancing queen.

Like I stated in another post, a great QB will have a stronger impact on a game than a great DE.

I'm just making the point that a lot of fans are ungrateful for what they had. Calling him a "Dancing Queen" shows that attitude....

[67Stang]

Any body that blames Parcell's is in denial. He did what he had to do. He is trying to change the attitude around here. What does it say when your star player, face of the franchise, Mr NFL is the only player not to show up? THE ONLY PLAYER NOT TO SHOW UP. If you aren't part of the soloution, you are part of the problem. JT's action say I don't think the Dolphin's are going to be any good, so I want out or I am not going to show up like EVERY BODY else. You don't want that attitude on a team that is trying to change its' attitude. BP did what he had to do. Did we get a little worse?....probably. BP did what is best for the franchise regardless of popularity, JT can't say the same.

[godolphins1985]

Originally Posted by gota

That is a BS comparison. If you think that a defensive end, no matter how "good" he is, impacts wins and losses as much as a Hall of Fame quarterback, then you need to stop posting so much about football and actually start WATCHING it. Defensive ends couldn't possibly consistently win games for you. How many times this decade did we lose because the offense just didn't produce?? Now I'm just sticking up for the defense as a whole! In fact, weren't we a sub 500 team the year he won the Defensive Player of the Year?? Do you really think it's possible for a quarterback to be the Offensive Player of the Year and have his team end up with a sub 500 record? Quarterbacks are waaay more influential on wins and losses than ANY one defensive player.

Yes and this comes from a previous comment from someone else about how without JT the years he was here we wouldnt have winning records. JT didnt keep us with wins all the time he only helped.

[SpaceMountain16]

Originally Posted by WVdolphan

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!

And the leader of that defense was.........JASON TAYLOR. That team was a QB and a defense that played better in the clutch from being not only a world champion, but one of the best teams in the history of the league. But, the dancing queen as usual folded up in the 4th qtr when we needed a big stop in a big game and made a 10-6 and 9-7 team out of what shouldve been 13 and 14 win seasons.

Maybe, but i personally am not calling that defense GREAT or ELITE. I never did because they weren't. Jason Taylor was ONE great player on that defense, and there are plenty of other factors to take into account when discussing that defenses collapses. The play calling of Dave Wannstedt being a primary one. But you cant knock Jason Taylor because that defense often times didn't play to potential.