If the FO starts anyone other than Beck, they are MORONS.

[C-HUCKS]

Originally Posted by Geforce

McCown transfered from SMU not because he couldn't perform in Division I, he transfered because SMU was put on probation again and he wanted to prove he could direct an aerial attack instead of the run-dominated option-style attack the Mustangs ran.

Not that it means anything but Jay Cutler has not had a winning season as a starting QB since his senior year in high school.

Would you say having a 9 to 16 td to inteception ratio and a losing record is a good performence for your starting QB. Not the type of QB I want starting for the Miami Dolphins. Cutler may have had a losing season in the tough SEC, but Cutler also always able to throw more td's than interception, something McCown has not be able to accomplish at the DivI level or the NFL.

[SoCalCoug]

Okay, I'm going to make it easy for you guys who think you've seen enough of Beck. Cut this and save it to paste later on in the year: "I don't know crap about judging quarterbacks"

Yes, I'm more of a Beck fan than Dolphin fan. But I also remember being at the L.A. Coliseum and seeing a freshman John Beck get his second taste of Division I football. (His first game, against Georgia Tech, he had an interception in his only pass attempt, he fumbled the ball, and he took a sack.) He went 1 for five and then he was knocked out of the game with a concussion. In his first and only drive of the game. His first start was at Stanford (losing to Trent Edwards) - he completed less than 50% of his passes, took 5 sacks, and lost a fumble.

Based on the stats I can find, Beck had 9 fumbles in his freshman year - all of them in first half of the season (granted, he didn't play much in the second half).

I'm glad none of you guys were there, calling for him to ride the pine for the rest of his college career. I'd have been able to turn to you at the end of 2006 and tell you, "you're an idiot."

Maybe he tends to think a little too much in an unfamiliar situation, maybe he's a slow starter. But what he proved at BYU was that even after a crappy start to his career, he worked his *** off and came back the next season as a sophomore to win the starting job away from the incumbent junior. And then go on to become one of the all-time great QB's at a school known for its QB's.

Don't think you've got him pegged. Sit back and enjoy watching what could prove to be a very good NFL QB develop. I've been watching BYU football since the Steve Young days. John Beck's got the best, most complete package of skill and savvy of any QB I've seen come out of BYU. If BYU hadn't completely sucked for a few years (not Beck's fault) he'd have had a lot more notoriety. It was breathtaking to watch him in his senior year just completely dismantle team after team after team.

If I'm wrong and he blows chunks, fine. Call me an idiot who doesn't know NFL football. But if I'm right, even though I may not call the Beck haters "idiots" on the board, when I see your names come up, I'll certainly be thinking it.

[CedarPhin]

Are you that condescending on all of your replies?

[chillwill3000]

Originally Posted by Charlie Wilson

No you don't play who gives us the best chance to win. I don't care if McCown edges out John Beck in the preseason, it's pretty obvious he's not our QB.

I know it's been said already, but we need to see what John Beck has. If he looks like a complete idiot a couple games in throw in Henne. What is McCown going to do for us realistaclly.

And somebody answer me this cause I hear it all the time: how the hell does is stunt your growth as a player to start as a rookie? If anything that should give you a feel for the game no?

David Carr is the answer to your question.

[rev kev]

Originally Posted by Gitrdone

Neither Beck nor Henne are the future atm. They are still both very unknown. You draft Henne or whoever at value in the draft in case Beck doesn't pan out. Since the chances of a QB failing are greater then not. This goes for Henne also, we don't know if he will pan out either. I sure hope both of them do, since that would be a great problem to have.

Just because we drafted Henne, that doesn't mean Beck is on the way out. It means get better or someone else will take the job. BP has no idea which of these two will be the better one, but competition should show it. I wouldn't be shocked if we take another QB next year, unless one of the QB's we have blows us away.

One of them is..., and no I disagree with anyone who thinks we'll be drafting Tebow or Stafford next year..., if that were the case we wouldn't have drafted Henne in the first place... Rather simple math...

[Gitrdone]

Originally Posted by rev kev

One of them is..., and no I disagree with anyone who thinks we'll be drafting Tebow or Stafford next year..., if that were the case we wouldn't have drafted Henne in the first place... Rather simple math...

I hope one of them is, but at this point, neither of them are. You draft one again if they don't show you much.

[Casas9425]

i doubt parcells will draft another qb during his miami tenure. he only has four years to turn this around. look for him to swing a trade for a veteran if all these guys stink.

[Casas9425]

off the top of my head i can't remember a single qb that was successfull after the coaching staff changed their throwing motion. it never happens.

[PhinFan0202]

Originally Posted by Casas9425

off the top of my head i can't remember a single qb that was successfull after the coaching staff changed their throwing motion. it never happens.

Drew Brees is one. The off season before Drew Brees had thrown 27 TDs to just 7 ints he changed two things. One of the things that changed was his diet and workout regiment which was designed to make him a stronger player and added something like 17% more velocity to his throws. He also changed his throwing motion to a more overhead motion so that he could get the ball over the line, similar to John Beck actually. Chad Pennington is another as the changed his throwing motion to incorporate using his legs more so that his arm didn't give way again.

[Casas9425]

i don't think brees had a side arm motion at purdue though. his thing was that he had a slow release like henne. and that thing with the diet must have not worked because he's always been rather thin.

[dlockz]

Originally Posted by Geforce

Chatman became the starter two games (three weeks) prior to Beck starting against Philadelphia and had his first and only 100 yard game of the season the week before against Buffalo. Fact is, that was the only game all season Chatman gained over 80 yards rushing in any game. Jesse missed the second Buffalo game because of an ankle injury.

Ted Ginn did not start against the Eagles and the Steelers because Cameron went to a two TE set to start each game. Ginn still caught more passes during those two games than he had the previous four games he started combined.

He had 124 yards and 79 in his two games starting prior which is a 100 yard a game average. He also had 73 yards the week Brown got hurt and
72 yards versus Philly in Beck's first start. Ginn not starting the game is just a matter of semantics becuas that just means we opened the game in a two tight end set formation. Ginn still was the starting Wr. Not truly correcting you just not sure if you were disagreeing with what I said because its basically an interpretation of what I said but you quoted me so I was not sure.

My point was Cleo Lemon actually was the starting qb with a third string qb when we won the Baltimore game. Beck's lack of running game probably stemmed from teams knowing we would not be airing it out with a rookie so they keyed on the run. The blaming of the weapons really does not hold that much water since Lemon had the same if not worse weapons in the Raven's game. Beck was I said a rookie and he played like one.

[dreamwalker]

Originally Posted by rev kev

One of them is..., and no I disagree with anyone who thinks we'll be drafting Tebow or Stafford next year..., if that were the case we wouldn't have drafted Henne in the first place... Rather simple math...

Come on, you know the routine. It plays out all the time
1) draft or aquire a quarterback
2) throw him into a game or two with virtually no snaps with the first team
3) wait for him to make a few mistakes
4) pull him before he has a chance to get a real feel for the offense
5) rant all post season
6) rinse
7) repeat

Really we have been through this for so many years we should all know the steps.

[headslap]

Right now I doubt the 'Phins will have more than 20 pass attempts per game this season. That being said, if Beck gets the start, look for 8 and 9 in the box against us, with teams looking to pressure and confuse him until he proves he can move the ball and generate TD's. McCown gives defenses more to handle and he has better "escape-ability". Beck can study all he wants, but until he shows some creativity or "mojo", teams are going to key on his fear.

Henne is a gamer. Once he can digest and command the playbook, he will be the 'Phins QB for a while. It makes sense in the run-heavy system the 'Phins are going to be using, and itll put a smile on the new owners face to see his starting LT and QB both be fellow Wolverines.

[NewPhinPhan]

Originally Posted by headslap

Right now I doubt the 'Phins will have more than 20 pass attempts per game this season. That being said, if Beck gets the start, look for 8 and 9 in the box against us, with teams looking to pressure and confuse him until he proves he can move the ball and generate TD's. McCown gives defenses more to handle and he has better "escape-ability". Beck can study all he wants, but until he shows some creativity or "mojo", teams are going to key on his fear.

Henne is a gamer. Once he can digest and command the playbook, he will be the 'Phins QB for a while. It makes sense in the run-heavy system the 'Phins are going to be using, and itll put a smile on the new owners face to see his starting LT and QB both be fellow Wolverines.

Tell me what else a rookie is going to feel when all the preparation they've had up until starting is practicing the OPPOSITION'S playbook?

This year will be far far different for Beck, if he gets the nod. Guaranteed. He experienced the same kind of mismanagement his first years at BYU and overcame that to become BYU's 2nd most prolific passer. I doubt FEAR is of much concern to him at this point.

[dreamwalker]

Originally Posted by headslap

Henne is the future... like it or not.

Thanks ms cleo, please throw this old dog a bone- can you tell me what tomorrows lottery numbers will be?