Interesting Tidbit on S-Cameron Worrell

[putter1013]

Dolphins | Worrell contract update
Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:55:52 -0800
Updating a previous item, <A href="http://www.kffl.com/link/148">Brad Biggs, of the Chicago Sun-Times, reports Miami Dolphins SS Cameron Worrell's two-year contract with the team is worth $2 million and includes a $285,000 signing bonus.

Rams | Johnson contract update
Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:40:03 -0800
Updating a previous item, <A href="http://www.kffl.com/link/148">Brad Biggs, of the Chicago Sun-Times, reports St. Louis Rams S Todd Johnson's four-year contract with the team is worth $4 million and includes a $700,000 signing bonus.


Didn't Johnson receive significant playing time on Chicago's D while Worrell was primarily a Special Teamer:confused:

If so, Then why did we pay Worrell 1 Million per Season over 2 years while Johnson only got 1 Million per Season over 4 Years:confused:

Maybe it's just me, but either the Rams got a steal or we overpaid for Worrell.

Just my Opinion. I am looking for others input on this.

It Seems as though Worrell has been a solid Special Teamer though, which is a plus.

[NatCyn]

We don't neccesarily know the structuring of the contract though so it may be cheap this year and we'll either re-sign him or cut him next year. Plus I think we're willing to pay for special teams depth now with the loss of Sammy Morris and Wes Welker. I don't have a problem with it. The team is being proactive right now and I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt because it seems like they're trying to get better.

[daniel3]

Doesn't mention how much of the contract is guaranteed and a 700k signing bonus is quite a bit more than a 285k one.

[putter1013]

I agree that Special Teams are a vital part of the team. Don't get me wrong.

I was upset when we let Special Team stud Larry Izzo get away from us as well.

I am just comparing the two contracts. Todd Johnson played some special teams as well and can't be much worse than Worrell. I just wonder why we went for Worrell over Johnson. I am also willing to give the FO the benefit of the doubt however as they know far more about players than I will ever know. Also, they know exactly what they are looking for to fit their game plan and schemes.

[putter1013]

Originally Posted by daniel3

Doesn't mention how much of the contract is guaranteed and a 700k signing bonus is quite a bit more than a 285k one.

Worrell's is a 2 year contract while Johnson's is a 4 year contract. Double the $285,000.00 and that is $570,000.00 over the same period of time. I know you can't really look at that because that isn't the contract, but the years are different. If Worrell had signed for a million a year for 4 years what would the signing bonus have been. It would have been higher in all likelihood.

[Phinanthropist]

We have only invested $285k in him at this point. Personally, I don't expect the guy to make the opening day roster. We shall see what he brings in camp but our DB position could be stacked and he likely will end up on the outside looking in.

Johnson would have likely been in the same boat so I would look at the transaction like this $285 < $750. I suppose $285 is reasonable to take a chance and hope he proves to be a ST wonderkind.

At this point though he seems to be a Tony Bua or Jack Hunt type prospect and these guys rarely seem to stick in the end.

[putter1013]

Originally Posted by Phinanthropist

We have only invested $285k in him at this point. Personally, I don't expect the guy to make the opening day roster. We shall see what he brings in camp but our DB position could be stacked and he likely will end up on the outside looking in. Johnson would have likely been in the same boat so I would look at the transaction like this $285 < $750. I suppose $285 is reasonable to take a chance and hope he proves to be a ST wonderkind. At this point though he seems to be a Tony Bua or Jack Hunt type prospect and these guys rarely seem to stick in the end.

That doesn't make a lot of sense bro. If he isn't going to be on your opening day roster you sign him for the minimum contract with no signing bonus or $25,000-$40,000 signing bonus, not $285,000.:rolleyes2

[KiNG]

Worrell is a pure special teamer, and regarded as one of the best.

Johnson is a pure backup safety, with absolutely zero potential as a starter.

$1 million a year has become chump change in this league, recently.

[Phinanthropist]

Originally Posted by putter1013

That doesn't make a lot of sense bro. If he isn't going to be on your opening day roster you sign him for the minimum contract with no signing bonus or $25,000-$40,000 signing bonus, not $285,000.:rolleyes2

OK. Your free to your opinion. Let's wait and see if he makes the roster.

I simply don't see it happening.

[SR 7]

cuz we dont maybe want a starting or decent S so to say.

[alienalias]

Originally Posted by putter1013

Didn't Johnson receive significant playing time on Chicago's D while Worrell was primarily a Special Teamer:confused:

If so, Then why did we pay Worrell 1 Million per Season over 2 years while Johnson only got 1 Million per Season over 4 Years:confused:

Maybe it's just me, but either the Rams got a steal or we overpaid for Worrell.

Just my Opinion. I am looking for others input on this.

It Seems as though Worrell has been a solid Special Teamer though, which is a plus.

Good post/thread, and interesting take... the main thing I consider though, is not what another team is paying or getting, but what it is we are getting or gaining related to the pay. In other words, let's say the Colts cut Peyton Manning and the Ravens sign him to a 5 year deal at $500,000 per year. That is obviously a bargain basement deal and ridiculous steal. Now let's say that the Bengals cut Carson Palmer and we sign him for 5 years at 1.5 million per year. Most will agree that Manning is the better QB... now when you compare the 2 deals, it initially seems we got ripped off. But the fact is both teams got excellent value. I know the example I used is absurd... but keep in mind it was meant simply as that, an example!
My point is, we didn't overpay for Worrell, and Cam and Randy saw something they liked at $1 million a year for the guy... which is very reasonably priced for a guy who can contribute. Whether that is ST's or a back-up safety, it's a good # for a decent player. Comparing salaries is a good way to get upset for something, which might end up being an excellent value in hindsight...

[putter1013]

Originally Posted by Phinanthropist

OK. Your free to your opinion. Let's wait and see if he makes the roster.

I simply don't see it happening.

You could be right bro, but if that is the case my point is we overpaid.

However, if he makes the roster and contributes on special teams I think that is ok. The contract is not huge by any means. I was just comparing to Johnson's. Not saying anything is wrong with it, just wanted to get opinions on is, which everyone is entitled to.

[alienalias]

Originally Posted by putter1013

Worrell's is a 2 year contract while Johnson's is a 4 year contract. Double the $285,000.00 and that is $570,000.00 over the same period of time. I know you can't really look at that because that isn't the contract, but the years are different. If Worrell had signed for a million a year for 4 years what would the signing bonus have been. It would have been higher in all likelihood.

I think you've already answered some of your own questions etc to an extent... I believe the Rams see Johnson as a potential starter at safety in the future, or at the very least a strong back-up. I believe the 'Fins see Worrell as an equivalent to Larry Izzo on ST's. You don't invest long-term on a ST's guy until he proves he can do it consistently.

[putter1013]

Originally Posted by alienalias

Good post/thread, and interesting take... the main thing I consider though, is not what another team is paying or getting, but what it is we are getting or gaining related to the pay. In other words, let's say the Colts cut Peyton Manning and the Ravens sign him to a 5 year deal at $500,000 per year. That is obviously a bargain basement deal and ridiculous steal. Now let's say that the Bengals cut Carson Palmer and we sign him for 5 years at 1.5 million per year. Most will agree that Manning is the better QB... now when you compare the 2 deals, it initially seems we got ripped off. But the fact is both teams got excellent value. I know the example I used is absurd... but keep in mind it was meant simply as that, an example!
My point is, we didn't overpay for Worrell, and Cam and Randy saw something they liked at $1 million a year for the guy... which is very reasonably priced for a guy who can contribute. Whether that is ST's or a back-up safety, it's a good # for a decent player. Comparing salaries is a good way to get upset for something, which might end up being an excellent value in hindsight...

I am not upset with the deal, don't get me wrong. The deal is pennies. Just making some interesting talk on a slow day.

How about a better example though.

Matt Schaub for 1 Million a year with 750k guaranteed

DJ Shockley for 1 million a year with 285k guaranteed

Which by the way, I really was hoping we would have drafted Shockley last year. I think he has the tools to be a good QB in this league.

[alienalias]

Originally Posted by Phinanthropist

We have only invested $285k in him at this point. Personally, I don't expect the guy to make the opening day roster. We shall see what he brings in camp but our DB position could be stacked and he likely will end up on the outside looking in.

Johnson would have likely been in the same boat so I would look at the transaction like this $285 < $750. I suppose $285 is reasonable to take a chance and hope he proves to be a ST wonderkind.

At this point though he seems to be a Tony Bua or Jack Hunt type prospect and these guys rarely seem to stick in the end.

Dude... that is ridiculous. There isn't a way in hell a guy plays on a SB team and is worthy of a roster spot for the entire year, then as a FA we sign him to his personal biggest contract ever, then cut him. To say he doesn't make opening day roster is short-sighted and rather silly. Can you really be serious? Please tell me how many 'Phin $'s you have. I have $10k. I will bet you all $10k he DOES make the opening day roster. You said it's likely he won't... let's put our money where our mouth is. That's why they created these 'Phin $'s you know, right? It's the "Vbookie"!!!! Say the word, respond to my post, and I'll arrange it through the powers that be... can you back it up?