Interesting train of thought....let's talk. - Page 3

JsBaugh · 08-16-2008, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dlockz

Curious

Why shouldnt Henne be the backup? I have not heard of any of the Qb's outshining him including the starter so if all qb's are struggling why would McCowb or Beck be a better choice. I think for a rookie Henne has been solid and lets not forget he is a rookie getting first team reps which is quite rare. Look whomever gets the support of the staff I will wish the best for but seriously they are doing things for a reason(not sure any of us know the plan besides Pennington as starter).

There are a million reasons why Henne shouldnt be backup. For the most part Henne has been OK in camp. He along with the other QB's have struggled against the 1st team Defense. He is also young and no reason to throw him in the fire right away. That can lead to the same thing Beck has been going thru. Especially when there isnt a whole lot of talent on this team. This team is going to suck this year and whomever is running QB is going to struggle. The last thing Henne needs is to struggle a couple of games and everyone in Miami calling for a new QB.

Bofin · 08-16-2008, 11:22 AM

nice post phinstigator, i'm real curious how things shake out over the next couple days, meaning this game in particular, also the next 2 weeks. as far as who gets reps and work with ones and twos, if we actually do cut someone loose, how guys react to the situation they are placed in. this is a great situation for our club to be in, having some decent qb options. competition has been strong at every position and it is bringing the best out of people, and the worst. its great for the team and the fan cause i believe however the depth chart ends up it will come from a solid competition.

Kadiddlehopper · 08-16-2008, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by PhinstiGator

Then, there is the real possibility that the Dolphins could keep 4 QB's. I doubt anyone believes that will happen. The Patsies kept 4 while having Mr Wonderful at the top. Sparano stated that he went through 6 QB's in his first year at Cleveland. I think that it is a real possibility to keep four guys...especially since Pennington rarely makes it through a season healthy.

I have a feeling that's what we'll end up doing, whether or not it's the four we currently have or not. Guess we'll know for sure by the 26th or the 30th.

67Stang · 08-16-2008, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by NewPhinPhan

Feel free to ignore the thread if it's getting old. I thought it was an interesting view by a fellow poster here, and felt it warranted it's own thread.

Sorry to inconvenience anyone who wasted their time reading it. :-)

I don't think he meant the post(he may have), I think the musical QB's is what he is talking about. I think we all want some answers, but need to be pattient.

Marino420TD · 08-16-2008, 11:44 AM

I think Henne is getting the snaps so they can see if he is really ready to be the #2 guy, which is to say the guy they bring in if Pennington shreds his shoulder again.

If the coaches believe he is ready, then they can get rid of Josh and have Beck #3. That makes the most sense. Beck is young and seems to struggle with the speed of the game (decision making, etc) right now. However, he's only in the start of year #2, so I don't think it's wise to get rid of a 2nd round pick QB at that stage. If the game can slow down enough for him where he can take advantage of his good arm, he should have value.

The problem for the fins, is if they decide that Henne is not ready to be #2 (a guy who they can be confident coming in off the bench). In that scenario, Josh would be the obvious #2. Unfortunately, that leaves 2 youngs QB's that would be ideal #3 candidates. You either have to keep all 4, or cut one. Neither is a good scenario. Alternative is having a #2 guy that you don't have confidence in.

67Stang · 08-16-2008, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dlockz

Curious

Why shouldnt Henne be the backup? I have not heard of any of the Qb's outshining him including the starter so if all qb's are struggling why would McCowb or Beck be a better choice. I think for a rookie Henne has been solid and lets not forget he is a rookie getting first team reps which is quite rare. Look whomever gets the support of the staff I will wish the best for but seriously they are doing things for a reason(not sure any of us know the plan besides Pennington as starter).

I got no problems with Henne being the back up if he earns it, he hasn't. He has really struggled against the 11-11 as of late and was 50% passing against Tampa's #2 and 3's. I think all some people see is he has a good arm and made a nice throw on a square in. Right now, he isn't ready to play against a Teams #1 for 4 Qtrs IMO.

Marino613 · 08-16-2008, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 67Stang

I got no problems with Henne being the back up if he earns it, he hasn't. He has really struggled against the 11-11 as of late and was 50% passing against Tampa's #2 and 3's. I think all some people see is he has a good arm and made a nice throw on a square in. Right now, he isn't ready to play against a Teams #1 for 4 Qtrs IMO.

I don't think the two of you are really disagreeing on this main fundamental point. While DL has a more positive spin on Henne's performance so far, not to put words in his mouth, but in terms of this thread, which is largely about how the coaches might go about making their decisions, you guys seem to be agreeing that a rookie QB should not be ruled out if he earns the spot.

I agree as well

Fish-Head · 08-16-2008, 02:01 PM

I'm not absolutely convinced that the dramatic increase in reps for Henne translates into 'grooming' him for the number two. I think that we are still VERY early in the evaluation period and the coaches may be doing just that...

Pennigton obviously needs the time with the first unit to get up to speed but I think that the coaches decided they liked the Tampa game... and then took the approach 'Why don't we see what we got here' in Henne... While first team reps are very limited and valuable, it is still early and I hate to say it but maybe we don't know how the depth chart breaks down quite simply because they don't know... YET.

This dramatic shift in reps as this post suggests was a test in two ways... One, to see Henne more... Two, to test the mental toughness of Beck and McCown.

tcdrover · 08-16-2008, 02:21 PM

I can honestly see them keeping all 4 for a while into the actual season.

The thing is, even if they don't want to keep Beck on the team, he has trade value. They will want to maximize that value by waiting to trade him until the perfect situation arises, kind of like what happened with JT and the Redskins.

I think McCown can come off the bench and play back-up obviously better than Beck. He has won games on really bad teams in the past. He obviously isn't the most talented guy in the league, but he isn't really getting the respect around here that his career has EARNED him either.

08-16-2008, 02:01 PM	#38
Fish-Head Starter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 739 Credits: 271 Thanks: 50 Thanked 158 Times in 98 Posts	I'm not absolutely convinced that the dramatic increase in reps for Henne translates into 'grooming' him for the number two. I think that we are still VERY early in the evaluation period and the coaches may be doing just that... Pennigton obviously needs the time with the first unit to get up to speed but I think that the coaches decided they liked the Tampa game... and then took the approach 'Why don't we see what we got here' in Henne... While first team reps are very limited and valuable, it is still early and I hate to say it but maybe we don't know how the depth chart breaks down quite simply because they don't know... YET. This dramatic shift in reps as this post suggests was a test in two ways... One, to see Henne more... Two, to test the mental toughness of Beck and McCown. __________________

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08-16-2008, 11:22 AM	#32
Bofin Starter Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 480 Credits: 1,479 Thanks: 9 Thanked 26 Times in 16 Posts	nice post phinstigator, i'm real curious how things shake out over the next couple days, meaning this game in particular, also the next 2 weeks. as far as who gets reps and work with ones and twos, if we actually do cut someone loose, how guys react to the situation they are placed in. this is a great situation for our club to be in, having some decent qb options. competition has been strong at every position and it is bringing the best out of people, and the worst. its great for the team and the fan cause i believe however the depth chart ends up it will come from a solid competition.

08-16-2008, 11:44 AM	#35
Marino420TD Seasoned Veteran Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 552 Credits: 1,115 Thanks: 35 Thanked 48 Times in 28 Posts	I think Henne is getting the snaps so they can see if he is really ready to be the #2 guy, which is to say the guy they bring in if Pennington shreds his shoulder again. If the coaches believe he is ready, then they can get rid of Josh and have Beck #3. That makes the most sense. Beck is young and seems to struggle with the speed of the game (decision making, etc) right now. However, he's only in the start of year #2, so I don't think it's wise to get rid of a 2nd round pick QB at that stage. If the game can slow down enough for him where he can take advantage of his good arm, he should have value. The problem for the fins, is if they decide that Henne is not ready to be #2 (a guy who they can be confident coming in off the bench). In that scenario, Josh would be the obvious #2. Unfortunately, that leaves 2 youngs QB's that would be ideal #3 candidates. You either have to keep all 4, or cut one. Neither is a good scenario. Alternative is having a #2 guy that you don't have confidence in.

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tcdrover Pro Bowler Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,547 Credits: 1,687 Thanks: 23 Thanked 108 Times in 75 Posts	I can honestly see them keeping all 4 for a while into the actual season. The thing is, even if they don't want to keep Beck on the team, he has trade value. They will want to maximize that value by waiting to trade him until the perfect situation arises, kind of like what happened with JT and the Redskins. I think McCown can come off the bench and play back-up obviously better than Beck. He has won games on really bad teams in the past. He obviously isn't the most talented guy in the league, but he isn't really getting the respect around here that his career has EARNED him either.