Live Blog for July 31st Training Camp - Page 4

ckparrothead · 07-31-2008, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ZachThomas76

Why would it be best for this franchise if Henne became the next great thing over Beck?

Well, I was thinking more along the lines of the fact that Henne just turned 23 years old and Beck will be 27 years old in three weeks. But, yes, just from a comfort level factor an argument can be made for the cohesiveness between this regime and a guy they picked versus this regime and a guy they did not pick...even though that's an entirely controllable factor since all this regime has to do to eliminate that is get rid of their own irrational biases. But nonetheless, simply because of the age difference it would be beneficial if Henne became the guy, not Beck, and I fully realize and admit that.

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But if we dont start seeing some signs that the game is slowing down for him this year, then thats a cause for concern for me.

Key term: "THIS YEAR".

Not, "THIS WEEK".

Notice the difference? Carson Palmer stunk for his first 6 or 7 games in his second year, absolutely stunk. Light clicked on and he finished up the year pretty solid.

People were ready to put Derek Hagan on the STREET. Many would have done exactly that if it were up to them. He's head and shoulders the most impressive receiver in camp. Will that translate into the games? I don't know. But I know this, with him looking like he's looking right now, I'm damn glad people didn't axe the guy his first week into 2007 training camp because they were too myopic to realize that players don't necessarily get better in minutes, but over the course of years.

TedSlimmJr · 07-31-2008, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lappy

every player has to show something to stick around. When and by who a player was drafted doesn't play a role in whether or not he gets to play or even stay.

If you don't show up to work to work you'll be gone.

The point is Henne has shown at least as much as Beck...but age isn't on Beck's side.

And as of lately in Dolphinland, apparently you didn't have to show something to stick around. Accountability has been lacking...

godolphins1985 · 07-31-2008, 04:30 PM

Still with the next practice here and gone John Beck still didnt have a good day, its either an ok day or just a bad one.

ZachThomas76 · 07-31-2008, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lappy

every player has to show something to stick around. When and by who a player was drafted doesn't play a role in whether or not he gets to play or even stay.

If you don't show up to work to work you'll be gone.

Who do you think the new regime will cut more slack to? John Beck or Chad Henne? Id go with the one they handpicked, not the guy someone who has since been canned did. I agree Parcells has brought in a new attitude where everyone has to earn a spot, but Beck is on thin ice. That was apparent to me in the offseason when the new regime said nothing but nice things about Beck, and then went and drafted Henne. This is the same regime that said their top pick would be a pillar of their defense for a long time. Called a poker face, but your actions show your intent. Why draft Henne if they truly believe from what they saw first hand with Beck hes the qb of the future?

ckparrothead · 07-31-2008, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Canadianfishfan

Funny how every camp report really becomes a QB debate. Sounds like Henne was the best QB out there today. McCown sounds like he had a rough day as well.

Well, it starts to sound the same when you've got the same guy doing the singing over and over again. Beck put the offense into the end zone more than any other quarterback today but from the way Ben Volin describes it, he just took a dump on the field and smeared it on everyone.

DiepatriotsDie · 07-31-2008, 04:33 PM

I've got to take CK's side on all of this. I'm certainly not going to pass judgment on Beck from anything Ben Volin is telling me. Hopefully he gets enough preseason snaps to show us something. It just seems like they've got an axe to grind with him. Why do they go into such greater detail during his reps? It's weird. I think he tried to date all of their daughters in the offseason.

I'm not going to come out and say practice is meaningless or anything like that...but to put it in perspective this is another one of Derek Hagan's "amazing" camps, and we've seen how that turns out. I like the reports too see how things are shaping up with starters and units, but I can't trust the judgement of these reporters regarding the quality of personnel.

ckparrothead · 07-31-2008, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by godolphins1985

Still with the next practice here and gone John Beck still didnt have a good day, its either an ok day or just a bad one.

Put the offense in the end zone more than any other quarterback. To each his own but I do not trust a blogger with preconceived notions of what is going to happen to tell me what is really going on out there with a creative use of adjectives rather than factual reports of the results.

When Tony Sparano or a coach expresses some disappointment in Beck's play, I'll listen up.

ckparrothead · 07-31-2008, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DiepatriotsDie

I've got to take CK's side on all of this. I'm certainly not going to pass judgment on Beck from anything Ben Volin is telling me. Hopefully he gets enough preseason snaps to show us something. It just seems like they've got an axe to grind with him. Why do they go into such greater detail during his reps? It's weird. I think he tried to date all of their daughters in the offseason.

I'm not going to come out and say practice is meaningless or anything like that...but to put it in perspective this is another one of Derek Hagan's "amazing" camps, and we've seen how that turns out. I like the reports too see how things are shaping up with starters and units, but I can't trust the judgement of these reporters regarding the quality of personnel.

I think they're making the bias pretty easy to see. This all goes back to months ago when they all pretty much adopted the easy storyline that there are "Parcells guys" and then there are guys brought in by the other regime, and that we're about to see the other regime guys get squeezed out in favor of "Parcells guys". John Beck is really the poster boy for that process.

TedSlimmJr · 07-31-2008, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ckparrothead

On what basis can you even make a statement like that? Why doesn't Josh McCown HAVE to show something, anything, to stick around?

That one's a laugher.

Why is it funny? Because it's so sad? Because it's so true? Or both?

godolphins1985 · 07-31-2008, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ckparrothead

Well, it starts to sound the same when you've got the same guy doing the singing over and over again. Beck put the offense into the end zone more than any other quarterback today but from the way Ben Volin describes it, he just took a dump on the field and smeared it on everyone.

Well indeed he did throw the most TD's (not by much) he still had the poorest performance, sacks bad throws etc. same practice different day with him. Not like the writer ignored the TD passes he did but he def points out "his" mistakes again. There is only so much you can base on being one sided to a particular QB, at the end of the day John Beck is the one making the bad throws and getting sacke alot. Its not Chad Henne or Mccowns fault that Beck is playing poorly. Bottom line is if you do something good you get praised, when you do poorly you get trashed and everyone keeps a special eye on you to do that again, and when you do you get double trashed on (and you should).

ckparrothead · 07-31-2008, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TedSlimmJr

Why is it funny? Because it's so sad? Because it's so true? Or both?

Because you sound so sure and you haven't even seen Matt Ryan take any reps yet. I mean you really just pulled that statement out of your culo, so of course I found it pretty funny.

FINS4LIFE16 · 07-31-2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by FINatic 13

says beck went 5 for 15...im rooting for the guy but hes making it really hard!

No doubt, he definitely needs to step it up. Although its only been a week.

Lappy · 07-31-2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ZachThomas76

Who do you think the new regime will cut more slack to? John Beck or Chad Henne? Id go with the one they handpicked, not the guy someone who has since been canned did. I agree Parcells has brought in a new attitude where everyone has to earn a spot, but Beck is on thin ice. That was apparent to me in the offseason when the new regime said nothing but nice things about Beck, and then went and drafted Henne. This is the same regime that said their top pick would be a pillar of their defense for a long time. Called a poker face, but your actions show your intent. Why draft Henne if they truly believe from what they saw first hand with Beck hes the qb of the future?

I totally agree with the fact that they would have more loyalty to a guy they drafted but it doesn't change the fact that no matter who you are if you don't show your stuff no one will keep a player regardless of who drafted the player.

I truely believe they saw potential in Beck but insurance is sold on every thing now....sometimes it's called Henne.

All joking a side, they may have drafted Henne when they did because he was the highest player on their draft board still available and he may even have been too high to pass up.

There are many speculations involved here regarding the QB spot but I still say and truely believe if this team gives Beck or Henne an offensive line that is solid, one will become a very good QB in this league..

the arguement shouldn't be about our qb yet but what's going on with this o-line! Every offensive play starts with that line.

ckparrothead · 07-31-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by godolphins1985

Well indeed he did throw the most TD's (not by much) he still had the poorest performance, sacks bad throws etc. same practice different day with him. Not like the writer ignored the TD passes he did but he def points out "his" mistakes again. There is only so much you can base on being one sided to a particular QB, at the end of the day John Beck is the one making the bad throws and getting sacke alot. Its not Chad Henne or Mccowns fault that Beck is playing poorly. Bottom line is if you do something good you get praised, when you do poorly you get trashed and everyone keeps a special eye on you to do that again, and when you do you get double trashed on (and you should).

No at the end of the day people will read what they want to read, see what they want to see, and think what they want to think. I mean, he

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DiepatriotsDie Seasoned Veteran Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Orlando Age: 27 Posts: 739 Credits: 1,473 Thanks: 20 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	I've got to take CK's side on all of this. I'm certainly not going to pass judgment on Beck from anything Ben Volin is telling me. Hopefully he gets enough preseason snaps to show us something. It just seems like they've got an axe to grind with him. Why do they go into such greater detail during his reps? It's weird. I think he tried to date all of their daughters in the offseason. I'm not going to come out and say practice is meaningless or anything like that...but to put it in perspective this is another one of Derek Hagan's "amazing" camps, and we've seen how that turns out. I like the reports too see how things are shaping up with starters and units, but I can't trust the judgement of these reporters regarding the quality of personnel.