Miami vs Buffalo, closer than you think

LetsGoBuffalo · 06-29-2002, 10:38 PM

Taking a look at the each teams starters as of now, Miami and Buffalo are pretty close in terms of talent, the main thing that seperates them as of now is that Miami is a more experienced team and Buffalo has a lot of new players, but by the end of the season when Buffalo's players have become comfortable with each other, Buffalo will ultimately pull ahead.

Here is a list of each position and who has the advantage

QB- Buffalo - plain and simple, Bledsoe is better than Fiedler

RB- Miami- when Williams is healthy he is better than Henry

FB- Buffalo - Centers=Pro Bowl

WR- Buffalo -Moulds, Price, Reed is pretty leathal tandem

TE- Buffalo - Riemersma and Moore are both better than Miami TEs

OL- Tie - By seasons end Buffalo's OL will prove to be superior, it just needs time to gel

DL-Miami- One of Miami's stong points and Buffalo's weak

LB-Buffalo- Fletcher, Robinson, Newman just beat out Thomas, Rodgers, Galyon

DB- Miami- this could probe to be a draw by seasons end with Clements and Winfield equally Madison and Surtain

Overall Buffalo and Miami are evenly matched but with Buffalo having a younger team, their overall team's future success seems better than Miami.

minus · 06-29-2002, 11:00 PM

Keep smoking that crack..........Must be some strong sh%T...

Starting linebackers....
Thomas,Rodgers,Gaylon

Clement and winfield please that like saying Bledsoe will equal Dan Marino.........

Dolfan984 · 06-29-2002, 11:00 PM

QB WR and LBs are wrong.

Miami is better at those spots.

06-29-2002, 11:01 PM

Oh yeah the Bills look Superbowl bound according to your outlook. Well newsflash Bills fan, the Dolphins are going to kick the crap out of you again this year just like last year. The Dolphins own you and you'll be the annual team that we just love to kick into the ground.

Baz · 06-29-2002, 11:09 PM

Your "breakdown" is way to biased. What gives you even the remotest idea that Clements and Winfield could match Sam and Pat? You think just because you have Eric Moulds, that gives you a superior WR corps? Who are your other WRs? What happens if Moulds goes down? You think Peerless Prive could handle being a number 1 reciever? He can barely hold down the number 2 spot. I'd love to know why you think Buffalo has better 'backers. First off, Galyon isn't even a starter, which shows your knowledge on this subject. Zach Thomas is easily the best linebacker in the AFC East. Morlon Greenwood really came on late last season, and Derrick Rodgers has been consistant. Newman and Robinson? Who are they? A couple of no name guys who the Bills picked up. Yes, they are an improvement over what you all had last season, but they are still nothing spectacular. Larry Centers in the probowl? Gimme a break. The duo of Dyer/Konrad easily beat out Centers at this point in his career. Lastly, I'll just say that Drew and Jay are even at this point. A couple years back, Drew was easily better, but not now.

Buffalo will ultimately pull ahead? Buffalo will still be last in the division. Last in the division may sil be 6-10, maybe even 7-9, so Buffalo will definately improve, but I guarantee they will not challenge for the division. Even some of your fellow fans agre with me here, its calle being a realist, not a homer. Clements and Winfield even with Sam and Pat? LMAO I can't believe you actually said that...

06-29-2002, 11:12 PM

The Dolphins CBs are better then the Bills and the Dolphins defense is better then Buffalos. On offense Chambers will be every bit as good as Moulds with a little more experience and with Ricky, our RB situation is better then Buffalos. Our o-line is better also.

Dajesus · 06-30-2002, 12:13 AM

LB-Buffalo- Fletcher, Robinson, Newman just beat out Thomas, Rodgers, Galyon

DB- Miami- this could probe to be a draw by seasons end with Clements and Winfield equally Madison and Surtain

This is by far the funniest part of your post. Fletcher, Robinson, and Newman can't even compare to Thomas, not to mention you didn't even get our starters correct. Thomas and Rodgers had 260 tackles between them last year, that is more than all 3 of your starters. Didn't Jay throw for 300 yards against this secondary once last year, and over 500 yards+ 4 or 5 tds against those guys. Mind you this is the same Jay Feidler that shouldn't even be a starter if we listened to Bills fans. I will give you that your offense can be more over powering than ours, but keep in mind they have to gel first. Your thrid wr, your 2 starting tackles, and a RB that will get at least 40% of the carries, oh yeah and your QB will be in their first year of an offense that your coach has claimed takes three years to digest. That brings us to your defense. They can't even be mentioned in the same breath as ours from your d-line to your secondary they will fight to be average all season long, while Miami's d has been among the best in the league for 5 or so years.

PS Feidler has a better QB rating than Drew, and Price has done nothing thus far in this league.

IceStorm · 06-30-2002, 12:41 AM

I'm continually amazed that any of you Dolphin fans are even acknowledging these people and their baseless comments. Just ignore them like the street peasants they are.

Dolfan54 · 06-30-2002, 12:44 AM

Your post is so moronic I won't even go into depth on how wrong you are seeing as so many others have beatin me to it. Please explain how your D is comparable when they were ranked 21st and have made no changes that will have the kind of impact to be ranked among the best.

Baz · 06-30-2002, 01:22 AM

He just came here to get a rise out of us 'fin fans. At least I hope thats what it was, cuz if he really believed that rubbish he brought here, he may have some deeper issues than lack of football knowledge.

Muck · 06-30-2002, 01:32 AM

QB - Buffalo - Jay's a winner and escapes pressure better. But Bledsoe's a prototype gunner.

RB - Miami- Williams is better than Henry any way you look at it.

FB - Buffalo - Centers is awesome

WR - Miami - Miami has 4 proven WRs. Buffalo has 2 and a promising rookie.

TE - Buffalo - Riemersma and Moore easily win out.

OL - Miami - By seasons end, Miami's DEPTH will prove superior.

DL - Miami - Phins dominate this one.

LB - Tie - Zach rules. Bills solid. Greenwood is about to arrive.

DB- Miami- Bills Top 2 CBs are solid. But we've got the Top Tandem, plus the Thorpe Award winner, promising Ray Green, and possibly T-Buck. Brock Marion is better than any safety on Bills roster.

As expected YOU LEFT OUT ST's:

K - Miami - Mare is the NFL's best.

P - Miami - Royals one of the best directional guys around. Even with a knee injury, he equalled Moorman in avg.

FYI - Thomas and Rodgers combined for 262 tackles, but that was in 29 man games (they missed 3 games combined). And Zach had severe neck and shoulder injuries last year. Zach said he was reduced to "grabbing and dragging" last year because of them.

Justasportsfan · 06-30-2002, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dolfan984
QB WR and LBs are wrong.

Miami is better at those spots.

Bledsoe made Probowl and has a SB appearance. He may be a has been but Fiedlers is a "never been". Until he does anything you've got nothing on your QB. Even the greatest Dolphin ever (Marino, I know some of you think it's Fiedler) thinks Fiedler is not the guy who will take you to the promise land.

LetsGoBuffalo · 06-30-2002, 09:28 AM

I'm back to defend myself. Muck, i like your analysis except I still think that Buffalo's WRs are better and I think you have to at least give OLs a tie for now, but next year Buffalo will have 3 young pro bowl OL men, Brown, Mike Williams, Jennings while Miami will have a bunch of injured old men.

Now for the rest,
BMarion, Larry Centers made the pro bowl last season.

As far as LBs, I have to admit that i wasn't totally sure who Miami's 3rd LB was, Gaylon or Greenwood, and maybe it could have been a tie in that position, but Thomas and Rodgers have been hurt a lot and you have to take that into consideration.

AS for DBs, I said that Miami has the advantage here, but I also think that by the end of the season Winfield and Clements will be just as good as Surtain and Madison. One or both of our CBs will be in the pro bowl.

Looking at those rankings though, you Dolphin fans assume your gonna just slide right by Buffalo this season. But I'm just saying Buffalo has just as much talent as Miami and as soon as all their new players get a good chemistry together, Miami better watch out because nobody circles the wagons like the Buffalo Bills.

iceblizzard69 · 06-30-2002, 09:50 AM

Why do we need to watch out for a team that we dominate? We will beat the Bills twice again this year.

:monkey: Bills

Bobby Humphrey · 06-30-2002, 10:25 AM

I think it was like 3 years ago since the nills last beat the mighty dolphins. this rivalry is a little one sided. (please don't bring up the jets) And as for your out look of next year, don't play sports select on nills, dolphin games.

I am a pretty nice guy. LetsGoBuffalo came into our fan site, talked total bullsh*t, and I still help him save so money, wow I am such a super guy. Let's all give me a hand for friendlyness.

LetsGoBuffalo said, "DB- Miami- this could probe to be a draw by seasons end with Clements and Winfield equally Madison and Surtain" all I can say on this one is WoW.

06-29-2002, 11:00 PM	#2
minus Perennial All-Pro Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miami Age: 24 Posts: 4,443 Credits: 1,520 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Keep smoking that crack..........Must be some strong sh%T... Starting linebackers.... Thomas,Rodgers,Gaylon Clement and winfield please that like saying Bledsoe will equal Dan Marino......... Last edited by minus; 06-30-2002 at 09:55 AM.

06-29-2002, 11:00 PM	#3
Dolfan984 Chad Pennington fan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bay Area, California Age: 24 Posts: 9,619 Credits: 6,886 Thanks: 1 Thanked 52 Times in 23 Posts FH Badges Total Awards: 1	QB WR and LBs are wrong. Miami is better at those spots. __________________ Zach Thomas, Jason Taylor, Sam Madison, Patrick Surtain, Brock Marion, Tim Bowens, Larry Chester, Chris Chambers, Orande Gadsden, Randy McMichael, Jay Fielder for life

06-29-2002, 11:09 PM	#5
Baz Ephemeral Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Albuquerque, NM Age: 26 Posts: 3,615 Credits: 1,173 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Your "breakdown" is way to biased. What gives you even the remotest idea that Clements and Winfield could match Sam and Pat? You think just because you have Eric Moulds, that gives you a superior WR corps? Who are your other WRs? What happens if Moulds goes down? You think Peerless Prive could handle being a number 1 reciever? He can barely hold down the number 2 spot. I'd love to know why you think Buffalo has better 'backers. First off, Galyon isn't even a starter, which shows your knowledge on this subject. Zach Thomas is easily the best linebacker in the AFC East. Morlon Greenwood really came on late last season, and Derrick Rodgers has been consistant. Newman and Robinson? Who are they? A couple of no name guys who the Bills picked up. Yes, they are an improvement over what you all had last season, but they are still nothing spectacular. Larry Centers in the probowl? Gimme a break. The duo of Dyer/Konrad easily beat out Centers at this point in his career. Lastly, I'll just say that Drew and Jay are even at this point. A couple years back, Drew was easily better, but not now. Buffalo will ultimately pull ahead? Buffalo will still be last in the division. Last in the division may sil be 6-10, maybe even 7-9, so Buffalo will definately improve, but I guarantee they will not challenge for the division. Even some of your fellow fans agre with me here, its calle being a realist, not a homer. Clements and Winfield even with Sam and Pat? LMAO I can't believe you actually said that... __________________ Coin toss at the Emerald Bowl...... _ "Darkness cannot drive out darkness, only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that..." ~ Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. _ "Seek to understand before you seek to be understood..."

06-30-2002, 12:13 AM	#7
Dajesus I am a Legend in my Spare Time Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tempe, AZ Age: 30 Posts: 3,150 Credits: 4,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Miami vs Buffalo, closer than you think LB-Buffalo- Fletcher, Robinson, Newman just beat out Thomas, Rodgers, Galyon DB- Miami- this could probe to be a draw by seasons end with Clements and Winfield equally Madison and Surtain This is by far the funniest part of your post. Fletcher, Robinson, and Newman can't even compare to Thomas, not to mention you didn't even get our starters correct. Thomas and Rodgers had 260 tackles between them last year, that is more than all 3 of your starters. Didn't Jay throw for 300 yards against this secondary once last year, and over 500 yards+ 4 or 5 tds against those guys. Mind you this is the same Jay Feidler that shouldn't even be a starter if we listened to Bills fans. I will give you that your offense can be more over powering than ours, but keep in mind they have to gel first. Your thrid wr, your 2 starting tackles, and a RB that will get at least 40% of the carries, oh yeah and your QB will be in their first year of an offense that your coach has claimed takes three years to digest. That brings us to your defense. They can't even be mentioned in the same breath as ours from your d-line to your secondary they will fight to be average all season long, while Miami's d has been among the best in the league for 5 or so years. PS Feidler has a better QB rating than Drew, and Price has done nothing thus far in this league.

06-30-2002, 12:41 AM	#8
IceStorm The High Tech Bong Monkey! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Dallas Posts: 2,169 Credits: 1,396 Thanks: 18 Thanked 42 Times in 30 Posts	I'm continually amazed that any of you Dolphin fans are even acknowledging these people and their baseless comments. Just ignore them like the street peasants they are. __________________ Miami Dolphins DVD Video Library Now showing OVER 30 Miami Dolphins games including Pre-Season!!! PM for details

06-29-2002, 11:01 PM	#4
Iron Man Guest Posts: n/a Credits: 0 [Check]	Oh yeah the Bills look Superbowl bound according to your outlook. Well newsflash Bills fan, the Dolphins are going to kick the crap out of you again this year just like last year. The Dolphins own you and you'll be the annual team that we just love to kick into the ground.

06-29-2002, 11:12 PM	#6
Iron Man Guest Posts: n/a Credits: 0 [Check]	The Dolphins CBs are better then the Bills and the Dolphins defense is better then Buffalos. On offense Chambers will be every bit as good as Moulds with a little more experience and with Ricky, our RB situation is better then Buffalos. Our o-line is better also.

06-30-2002, 12:44 AM	#9
Dolfan54 Scout Team Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: College Station, TX Age: 26 Posts: 60 Credits: 1,029 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Riiiiight Your post is so moronic I won't even go into depth on how wrong you are seeing as so many others have beatin me to it. Please explain how your D is comparable when they were ranked 21st and have made no changes that will have the kind of impact to be ranked among the best. __________________ Marge: Oh Homey, If you feel so bad about yourself there's always things you can do to make you feel better. Homer: Like take another bath in malt liquor?

06-30-2002, 01:22 AM	#10
Baz Ephemeral Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Albuquerque, NM Age: 26 Posts: 3,615 Credits: 1,173 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	He just came here to get a rise out of us 'fin fans. At least I hope thats what it was, cuz if he really believed that rubbish he brought here, he may have some deeper issues than lack of football knowledge. __________________ Coin toss at the Emerald Bowl...... _ "Darkness cannot drive out darkness, only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that..." ~ Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. _ "Seek to understand before you seek to be understood..."

06-30-2002, 01:32 AM	#11
Muck Now completely imaginary Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Elsewhere Age: 29 Posts: 30,186 Credits: 7,199 Thanks: 47 Thanked 485 Times in 158 Posts FH Badges Total Awards: 1	QB - Buffalo - Jay's a winner and escapes pressure better. But Bledsoe's a prototype gunner. RB - Miami- Williams is better than Henry any way you look at it. FB - Buffalo - Centers is awesome WR - Miami - Miami has 4 proven WRs. Buffalo has 2 and a promising rookie. TE - Buffalo - Riemersma and Moore easily win out. OL - Miami - By seasons end, Miami's DEPTH will prove superior. DL - Miami - Phins dominate this one. LB - Tie - Zach rules. Bills solid. Greenwood is about to arrive. DB- Miami- Bills Top 2 CBs are solid. But we've got the Top Tandem, plus the Thorpe Award winner, promising Ray Green, and possibly T-Buck. Brock Marion is better than any safety on Bills roster. As expected YOU LEFT OUT ST's: K - Miami - Mare is the NFL's best. P - Miami - Royals one of the best directional guys around. Even with a knee injury, he equalled Moorman in avg. FYI - Thomas and Rodgers combined for 262 tackles, but that was in 29 man games (they missed 3 games combined). And Zach had severe neck and shoulder injuries last year. Zach said he was reduced to "grabbing and dragging" last year because of them. __________________ Goodbye

06-30-2002, 09:28 AM	#13
LetsGoBuffalo Scout Team Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 25 Credits: 1,007 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'm back to defend myself. Muck, i like your analysis except I still think that Buffalo's WRs are better and I think you have to at least give OLs a tie for now, but next year Buffalo will have 3 young pro bowl OL men, Brown, Mike Williams, Jennings while Miami will have a bunch of injured old men. Now for the rest, BMarion, Larry Centers made the pro bowl last season. As far as LBs, I have to admit that i wasn't totally sure who Miami's 3rd LB was, Gaylon or Greenwood, and maybe it could have been a tie in that position, but Thomas and Rodgers have been hurt a lot and you have to take that into consideration. AS for DBs, I said that Miami has the advantage here, but I also think that by the end of the season Winfield and Clements will be just as good as Surtain and Madison. One or both of our CBs will be in the pro bowl. Looking at those rankings though, you Dolphin fans assume your gonna just slide right by Buffalo this season. But I'm just saying Buffalo has just as much talent as Miami and as soon as all their new players get a good chemistry together, Miami better watch out because nobody circles the wagons like the Buffalo Bills.

06-30-2002, 09:50 AM	#14
iceblizzard69 FinHeaven Elite Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On an island Age: 21 Posts: 13,387 Credits: 1,000 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Why do we need to watch out for a team that we dominate? We will beat the Bills twice again this year. :monkey: Bills

06-30-2002, 10:25 AM	#15
Bobby Humphrey I got cut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Canada Age: 88 Posts: 1,816 Credits: 30,495 Thanks: 30 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	I think it was like 3 years ago since the nills last beat the mighty dolphins. this rivalry is a little one sided. (please don't bring up the jets) And as for your out look of next year, don't play sports select on nills, dolphin games. I am a pretty nice guy. LetsGoBuffalo came into our fan site, talked total bullsh*t, and I still help him save so money, wow I am such a super guy. Let's all give me a hand for friendlyness. LetsGoBuffalo said, "DB- Miami- this could probe to be a draw by seasons end with Clements and Winfield equally Madison and Surtain" all I can say on this one is WoW. __________________ Hi

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Miami vs Buffalo, closer than you think

Re: Miami vs Buffalo, closer than you think

Riiiiight