Some hope for our CBs?

[sceeto]

Originally Posted by dolpns13;1062538313[B

]If Allen could just hang on to the damn INT's[/b], I think we could mention him in the same sentence as Madison and Surtain. He dropped 8 last year, 8.. Imagine if he caught all of those 8 INT's giving him 9 on the season (I think the most Surtain ever had in 1 year was 7 and 8 for Madison-Imagine Will Allen had a better single season INT record than Madison or Surtain... Wow), we definately wouldnt have gone 1-15

What's good is that T. Bowles, his secondaries are known for getting A LOT of picks. You can check out his past records. Just based on that we should be much improved in that dept. and if some of these guys blossom or step it up....who knows?

[hooshoops]

Originally Posted by Geforce

I really think you are getting Will Allen confused with someone else. Being physical is one of the reason Saban brought Allen in and let Sam Madison go.

i respectfully disagree

[hooshoops]

Originally Posted by moonman

Will Allen isn't a number 1 CB? That's BS, sorry. Will Allen was a great pickup for this team.

so should will allen soon to be a free agent this offseason be paid like a #1 cb???

is he worth top flight money??? and if not why not???

there's more to it than the fact he's 30 years old. also, i never said he wasn't a good pickup for this team.

[dolpns13]

Originally Posted by Geforce

I really think you are getting Will Allen confused with someone else. Being physical is one of the reason Saban brought Allen in and let Sam Madison go.

true... Allen is far more physical than Madison was, and Madison will be the first to say it... Remember when he publically said he doesnt like tackling at all and really didnt want to do it?..

Im not bashing Madison at all, just sayin Allen is more physical than Madison was.

[hooshoops]

Originally Posted by dolpns13

true... Allen is far more physical than Madison was, and Madison will be the first to say it... Remember when he publically said he doesnt like tackling at all and really didnt want to do it?..

Im not bashing Madison at all, just sayin Allen is more physical than Madison was.

what??? sam madison used to jam guys on the line to the point that every team was complaining to the refs every week about it. to the point where i think the rules changes were put in effect.

no one on our team used his hands and physicalness better to jam wrs than sam did. he had to cause he never had elite recovery speed.

will allen isn't even in sam madisons ballpark in his heydey.

[Valandui]

Originally Posted by dolpns13

He put himself in position to pick off 8 balls that he dropped...
your saying had he caught those 8, 9 int's isnt good enough for pro bowl

Not very physical? Have you seen him blitz? Ranked 5b of 8 players tied for 5th in the league in QB sacks. He's a deadly blitzer and deadly blitzing proves physicality

Well your bias for Will Allen shines through like blasts of rays from the sun..

Maybe in the NFC he could, but it's the same thing that will make it hard for Jake Long to go his rookie year. There is just so much talent in the AFC to contend with. He's going against guys like Cromartie, Asomugha, DeAngelo Hall, and Champ Bailey.

[dolpns13]

Originally Posted by hooshoops

what??? sam madison used to jam guys on the line to the point that every team was complaining to the refs every week about it. to the point where i think the rules changes were put in effect.

no one on our team used his hands and physicalness better to jam wrs than sam did. he had to cause he never had elite recovery speed.

will allen isn't even in sam madisons ballpark in his heydey.

Again, you are taking what I said out of context... Tackling.. Any corner can jam at the line of scrimmage; can they and are they willing to take on a runningback coming full steam at them? Madison admitted publically he did not like TACKLING nor did he want to TACKLE.

[hooshoops]

Originally Posted by dolpns13

Again, you are taking what I said out of context... Tackling.. Any corner can jam at the line of scrimmage; can they and are they willing to take on a runningback coming full steam at them? Madison admitted publically he did not like TACKLING nor did he want to TACKLE.

ok...i see what you're saying.

i still don't think of will allen as a run supporter or a jam guy but to each his own.

[hooshoops]

when i think of physical with a corner i think of being physical with the wr opposite him. jamming at the line hand checking, bodying up and making the wr work to get his release.

i also think of making wrs run routes not as crisp and messing with the qbs timing

[dolpns13]

Originally Posted by hooshoops

ok...i see what you're saying.

i still don't think of will allen as a run supporter or a jam guy but to each his own.

I dont either, but I wouldnt call him a *****.. He doesnt jam in terms of blowing a guy up, but he does at least try to get a hand on the guy. I agree it might not be enough to disrupt any timing, but perhaps he doesnt need to be physical because of his speed. You want the slower corners to be more physical than the faster ones so as the slower guys cannot make up the ground fast enough if the reciever gets out of the jam.. Run supporter, he is better than Madison was. This is not a knock on Madison, but Will Allen is the better tackler of the two.

[Geforce]

Originally Posted by hooshoops

when i think of physical with a corner i think of being physical with the wr opposite him. jamming at the line hand checking, bodying up and making the wr work to get his release.

i also think of making wrs run routes not as crisp and messing with the qbs timing

You don't think Will Allen would have been as successful last season if he wasn't doing all those things? Allen was 10th in the league amongst the top 75 cornerbacks in yards per pass allowed with 5.6.

[hooshoops]

Originally Posted by Geforce

You don't think Will Allen would have been as successful last season if he wasn't doing all those things? Allen was 10th in the league amongst the top 75 cornerbacks in yards per pass allowed with 5.6.

i'm gonna use an "if" here but i honestly believe that if our run d hadn't been like the parting of the red sea last season our cbs would have been majorly exposed.

it was so easy to run on us at will that i think teams who could have thrown the ball on allen and whoever else did not cause they didn't need to.

of the balls that were thrown allens way he had a good percentage. i don't think he does anything exceptionally well except possess elite speed.

just my take

[Lappy]

Originally Posted by hooshoops

i'm gonna use an "if" here but i honestly believe that if our run d hadn't been like the parting of the red sea last season our cbs would have been majorly exposed.

it was so easy to run on us at will that i think teams who could have thrown the ball on allen and whoever else did not cause they didn't need to.

of the balls that were thrown allens way he had a good percentage. i don't think he does anything exceptionally well except possess elite speed.

just my take

he does fly around the ball though. I think if teams tried him more and he could catch he would have lead the league in picks.

He's as solid a CB as any team needs.

[hooshoops]

Originally Posted by dolpns13

I dont either, but I wouldnt call him a *****.. He doesnt jam in terms of blowing a guy up, but he does at least try to get a hand on the guy. I agree it might not be enough to disrupt any timing, but perhaps he doesnt need to be physical because of his speed. You want the slower corners to be more physical than the faster ones so as the slower guys cannot make up the ground fast enough if the reciever gets out of the jam.. Run supporter, he is better than Madison was. This is not a knock on Madison, but Will Allen is the better tackler of the two.

good points

[hooshoops]

how long b4 a guy like will allen who relies on speed becomes ineffective???

he's 30 now. i'd say sooner than later