2005 FinHeaven Salary Cap Chart UPDATED

[Clumpy]

Originally Posted by Dolphins_SR66

Muck -

Why is Konrad's, Seau's, and Freeman's dead cap higher after 6/1? I thought after 6/1 dead cap is spead out and therefore lower????

That column accounts for signing bonus amortization. When a player signs a long term deal, the signing bonus is spread out over the length of the deal (limit of 5 yrs starting in 2005). If the player is released after 6/1, then only one yr of bonus counts on 2005 and ALL remaining yrs count on 2006.

In Freeman's case, it's assumed that the $300,000 roster bonus is due prior to 6/1 and is paid, thus if he's released after 6/1, it counts on the 2005 cap as dead cap.

[Da 'Fins]

Originally Posted by Clumpy

His cap number is over $3 million. He has steroid problems and a history of a bad attitude......release him and say if you want to stay with us....vets minimum. However, IMHO, he's a ticking time bomb.

He has to be cut given his injury history, the size of his cap #, the somewhat desparate need Miami has to get under the cap, his off-field problems, etc. And, he doesn't have his security blanket in Jerry Sullivan anymore.

I also noted this in another post, but what do you think about the Herald article that has the Dolphins cap # at $102 Million (according to the NFLPA)?

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...l/10586490.htm

[Clumpy]

It means that I'm missing some things on the cap page

[Eshlemon]

Originally Posted by Da 'Fins

I appreciate the cap work on this site, but the Herald has Miami at $102 Million and $17 million over - not the $11 Million over figure on this site. $1 Million of that difference is in cap estimates ($85 versus $86 Million). But that's still a big discrepancy. They get their estimates from the NFL Players Association.

This is the site:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...l/10586490.htm

Actually Clumpy's right and the Herald's wrong. NFL teams only count the top 51 cap hits from the beginning of free agency (3/1) to opening day. Currently for the Dolphins after the top 51...11 players at 305,000 and 7 players at 230,000. Clumpy has those players listed but doesn't have them counting against the cap, which they don't.
This allows teams to bring all those extra guys into camp during the preseason.

[VanDolPhan]

Originally Posted by Eshlemon

Actually Clumpy's right and the Herald's wrong. NFL teams only count the top 51 cap hits from the beginning of free agency (3/1) to opening day. Currently for the Dolphins after the top 51...11 players at 305,000 and 7 players at 230,000. Clumpy has those players listed but doesn't have them counting against the cap, which they don't.
This allows teams to bring all those extra guys into camp during the preseason.

Yup he's got it.

Plus Chambers #'s can be manipulated via a few tricks to save some dough if we need it for an FA signing.

[Brad528]

Who in the Hell ever gave Fiedler that much Fing money. He is one of the highest paid players on our team

[Clumpy]

Originally Posted by Brad528

Who in the Hell ever gave Fiedler that much Fing money. He is one of the highest paid players on our team

Rick Spielman :roflmao:

[MiamiFan1354]

He's a goner, thank god!!

[Da 'Fins]

Originally Posted by VanDolPhan

Yup he's got it.

Plus Chambers #'s can be manipulated via a few tricks to save some dough if we need it for an FA signing.

Did you read the Herald article? They have the Chambers issue in there as well. It really is not the issue - if the Herald is correct, then their analysis (which includes the Chambers manipulation) only gets the fins under by about $2 million - enough to handle the draft, but not much if at all for free agency.

[Da 'Fins]

Originally Posted by Eshlemon

Actually Clumpy's right and the Herald's wrong. NFL teams only count the top 51 cap hits from the beginning of free agency (3/1) to opening day. Currently for the Dolphins after the top 51...11 players at 305,000 and 7 players at 230,000. Clumpy has those players listed but doesn't have them counting against the cap, which they don't.
This allows teams to bring all those extra guys into camp during the preseason.

I know that - it's been pretty common knowledge for a few years - in fact, I've read that in the Herald several times. The question is - how do you know the Herald is counting those players against the cap - since no one does? And, I don't see the NFLPA doing this either - since it's a non-factor as far as the league rules are concerned.

It may be true, and the numbers roughly work out - but do you have evidence that this is what the Herald has done or is it an assumption?

[JTBRLZ]

Which pasrt counts against the cap? Salary Cap?

[J Tes]

Originally Posted by NaboCane

Muck: I want you to know that the work you guys put into maintaining this is very much appreciated.

butt kisser . Just kidding

[Eshlemon]

Originally Posted by Da 'Fins

I know that - it's been pretty common knowledge for a few years - in fact, I've read that in the Herald several times. The question is - how do you know the Herald is counting those players against the cap - since no one does? And, I don't see the NFLPA doing this either - since it's a non-factor as far as the league rules are concerned.

It may be true, and the numbers roughly work out - but do you have evidence that this is what the Herald has done or is it an assumption?

You are correct, I should have made my statement as an assumption of an error by the Herald and not fact. The numbers closely work out and I just trust Clumpy more than anything the Herald puts out.

[Clumpy]

Originally Posted by Eshlemon

You are correct, I should have made my statement as an assumption of an error by the Herald and not fact. The numbers closely work out and I just trust Clumpy more than anything the Herald puts out.

Stop it, you're making me blush! :cool:

[Eshlemon]

Sorry, Clumpy.

I also emailed Jason Cole directly to try and find out if his numbers are from all contracts or top 51. Wanted to know because like Da'Fins said, that 5 million difference is huge.