Raiders Offer Moss, Porter and Draft Upgrade for Vick - Page 2

Motion · 01-24-2007, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by HysterikiLL

Atlanta should've done this. They are already stacked financially at WR with a few former first round picks on their first contract. They probably don't need both Moss AND Porter.

But how can Moss and Porter, who already aren't happy with Oakland, now just sit back and know that the team actually TRIED to trade them? I don't see them coming back next year.

You honestly think they weren't excited about this? I'm sure they were hoping more than anyone that it happened. Everyone knows they both want out.

Alex44 · 01-24-2007, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Motion

You honestly think they weren't excited about this? I'm sure they were hoping more than anyone that it happened. Everyone knows they both want out.

Well yeah thats mostly the point, why would you go back and play hard for a team you dont like, and now has proven it doesnt like you?

Dolfan81 · 01-24-2007, 06:43 PM

i would say bye bye mike vick

Dors156 · 01-24-2007, 07:08 PM

if atlanta does not take that deal they are so dumb. there i no way i wouldnt take it if i were them. matt shaub has looked very impressive with his opportunities.

daniel3 · 01-24-2007, 07:23 PM

At least if Atlanta does this they'll prob be in line for a top pick in next years draft too. I really don't see what people see in Schaub, he seems very average and that team doesn't have many playmakers on offense currently and even with moss and porter I see problems. Then again they could draft a stud OT and WR, or turn around and make that choice into even more picks.

With that said, why doesn't Oakland just draft a QB. Russell and Quinn are top class players, why take the chance on Vick? IMHO they're just looking for a quick fix to success. Vick will no doubt get them 8~10 wins a season, but they should be looking to rebuild fully.

satz · 01-24-2007, 09:54 PM

Biggest problem

atlanta cap room 9 million
vicks if cut will cost 22 million but a trade will pass it over to the other team and is more cap friendly.

wazzy · 01-25-2007, 04:13 PM

Oakland is ******ed with this trade but it shows how desperate they our for an offense! Also Vick in an Oakland Jersey would sell so much just like the Moss ones! Oakland would make a lot of money off this deal and Oakland whos offense is horrible will just revolve everything around Vick and let him do his own thing and run his own offense

MelbournePhin · 01-25-2007, 08:47 PM

wow. atlanta needs to make this work.

spydertl79 · 01-26-2007, 01:37 AM

What exactly has Jerry Porter accomplished in his NFL career?

HysterikiLL · 01-26-2007, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by spydertl79

What exactly has Jerry Porter accomplished in his NFL career?

I think he made a real nice diving catch against Denver a few years back.

No wait, I think that was actually Ron Curry.

CDNPHIN · 01-26-2007, 01:50 AM

I Love Watching This New Reality Show "train Wreck" The Story Of The Oakland Raiders Franchise!!!! Love It.

Sirspud · 01-26-2007, 02:05 AM

This isn't that dumb for the Raiders. Neither of those guys want to be there anyway and aren't likely to return, while even without a recieving corps Vick could potentially win a few more games than they would otherwise (his problem is not lacking ability to win, its consistency). If they could swing Vick for that, it would almost be robbery. At the same time, the talent the Falcons get in return could be worthwhile considering Schaub seems to be very competent. This is an intriguing offer.

spydertl79 · 01-26-2007, 03:07 AM

I dont think this is a good move for the Falcons, you bring in two receivers who haven't been productive in the last 2 years and trade the face of your franchise. Sure Vick smokes pot but Randy Moss probably sells it to him! Moss ran over a cop for christ sake! I personally think Schaub would be a better fit for Petrino's offense but the Falcons would be better off trading Vick for 2 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder or something.

01-24-2007, 07:08 PM	#19
Dors156 Ginn Rising Star Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Maryland Age: 18 Posts: 6,056 Thanks: 15 Thanked 88 Times in 48 Posts	if atlanta does not take that deal they are so dumb. there i no way i wouldnt take it if i were them. matt shaub has looked very impressive with his opportunities. __________________ Ronnie To PRO Bowl!!!!!!!!

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wazzy Perennial All-Pro Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: hamilton Posts: 4,088 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Oakland is ******ed with this trade but it shows how desperate they our for an offense! Also Vick in an Oakland Jersey would sell so much just like the Moss ones! Oakland would make a lot of money off this deal and Oakland whos offense is horrible will just revolve everything around Vick and let him do his own thing and run his own offense __________________

01-26-2007, 01:37 AM	#24
spydertl79 Unconquered: In the bar, In the bedroom Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Tallahassee Posts: 7,337 Thanks: 12 Thanked 29 Times in 25 Posts	What exactly has Jerry Porter accomplished in his NFL career? __________________ I never boinked a ten, my whole life I never banged a ten. But one night... I boinked five two's! -The Immortal George Carlin, RIP

01-26-2007, 03:07 AM	#28
spydertl79 Unconquered: In the bar, In the bedroom Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Tallahassee Posts: 7,337 Thanks: 12 Thanked 29 Times in 25 Posts	I dont think this is a good move for the Falcons, you bring in two receivers who haven't been productive in the last 2 years and trade the face of your franchise. Sure Vick smokes pot but Randy Moss probably sells it to him! Moss ran over a cop for christ sake! I personally think Schaub would be a better fit for Petrino's offense but the Falcons would be better off trading Vick for 2 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder or something. __________________ I never boinked a ten, my whole life I never banged a ten. But one night... I boinked five two's! -The Immortal George Carlin, RIP

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01-24-2007, 06:43 PM	#18
Dolfan81 Pro Bowler Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 21 Posts: 1,121 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	i would say bye bye mike vick

01-24-2007, 07:23 PM	#20
daniel3 Starter Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 559 Thanks: 1 Thanked 14 Times in 12 Posts	At least if Atlanta does this they'll prob be in line for a top pick in next years draft too. I really don't see what people see in Schaub, he seems very average and that team doesn't have many playmakers on offense currently and even with moss and porter I see problems. Then again they could draft a stud OT and WR, or turn around and make that choice into even more picks. With that said, why doesn't Oakland just draft a QB. Russell and Quinn are top class players, why take the chance on Vick? IMHO they're just looking for a quick fix to success. Vick will no doubt get them 8~10 wins a season, but they should be looking to rebuild fully.

01-24-2007, 09:54 PM	#21
satz Seasoned Veteran Join Date: Oct 2006 Age: 32 Posts: 841 Thanks: 0 Thanked 35 Times in 23 Posts	Biggest problem atlanta cap room 9 million vicks if cut will cost 22 million but a trade will pass it over to the other team and is more cap friendly.

01-25-2007, 08:47 PM	#23
MelbournePhin FinHeaven VIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: melbourne, fl Age: 28 Posts: 3,563 Thanks: 142 Thanked 65 Times in 34 Posts	wow. atlanta needs to make this work.

01-26-2007, 01:50 AM	#26
CDNPHIN FLACCO meet PORTER. Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 532 Thanks: 4 Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts	I Love Watching This New Reality Show "train Wreck" The Story Of The Oakland Raiders Franchise!!!! Love It.

01-26-2007, 02:05 AM	#27
Sirspud Pro Bowler Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Haines City, Fl Age: 23 Posts: 1,981 Thanks: 16 Thanked 60 Times in 47 Posts	This isn't that dumb for the Raiders. Neither of those guys want to be there anyway and aren't likely to return, while even without a recieving corps Vick could potentially win a few more games than they would otherwise (his problem is not lacking ability to win, its consistency). If they could swing Vick for that, it would almost be robbery. At the same time, the talent the Falcons get in return could be worthwhile considering Schaub seems to be very competent. This is an intriguing offer.