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Old 02-08-2010, 12:13 PM   #16
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Does she have any orriganal thoughts? It always sounds like she is reading everything right out of the republican talking points handout that they give to all the Fox"News" people.

I always find it funny how all the commentators and pundits all seem to use the same key words at the same time everyday. I wonder how that would be possible unless they are all receiving a mass E-mail right from the horses mouth on the daily talking points.

The Libs do the same thing their just not as good at it.
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Although stupid, I understand why people think Iran needs a good invading. Russia though? What year is this?
What 9954 forgets to mention about war with Russia if I recall correctly, Gov. Palin was asked that if Georgia was a member of Nato and it was invaded by Russia (which at the time it was) should the US protect Georgia. She answered that is is part of the NATO treaty. Now, you can argue that we should not be part of NATO and/ or the UN, however, if that is what our treaty states, and we are part of the organization, what would be worse - honoring our WORD or saying nah, we are not going to follow it this time. What would she be critisized more for. Picking and choosing who we protect, which could open another whole can of worms, or honoring our treaty? Further, I read the original quote as we should protect our friend Israel, not we should declare war on Iran. There have been numerous interviews on where she talks about the things we need to do with Iran, other than this interpretation, I have never seen anyone say that she says Iran needs a good "invading".
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What 9954 forgets to mention about war with Russia if I recall correctly, Gov. Palin was asked that if Georgia was a member of Nato and it was invaded by Russia (which at the time it was) should the US protect Georgia. She answered that is is part of the NATO treaty. Now, you can argue that we should not be part of NATO and/ or the UN, however, if that is what our treaty states, and we are part of the organization, what would be worse - honoring our WORD or saying nah, we are not going to follow it this time. What would she be critisized more for. Picking and choosing who we protect, which could open another whole can of worms, or honoring our treaty? Further, I read the original quote as we should protect our friend Israel, not we should declare war on Iran. There have been numerous interviews on where she talks about the things we need to do with Iran, other than this interpretation, I have never seen anyone say that she says Iran needs a good "invading".
Oh yeah, I remember that. That was the Curic interview.

Katie Curic phrased the Iran question four different ways to try and get Palin to say that we would go to war with Iran. I guess no matter what her response was, the media's desired effect has taken root.
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What 9954 forgets to mention about war with Russia if I recall correctly, Gov. Palin was asked that if Georgia was a member of Nato and it was invaded by Russia (which at the time it was) should the US protect Georgia. She answered that is is part of the NATO treaty. Now, you can argue that we should not be part of NATO and/ or the UN, however, if that is what our treaty states, and we are part of the organization, what would be worse - honoring our WORD or saying nah, we are not going to follow it this time. What would she be critisized more for. Picking and choosing who we protect, which could open another whole can of worms, or honoring our treaty? Further, I read the original quote as we should protect our friend Israel, not we should declare war on Iran. There have been numerous interviews on where she talks about the things we need to do with Iran, other than this interpretation, I have never seen anyone say that she says Iran needs a good "invading".
I don't really care what other people would criticize her for. If she had said, correctly, that invading Russia because of a tussle over South Ossetia would be stupid, I would agree with her.

There isn't anything we "need to do" with Iran, and there are plenty of people more qualified to talk about it than someone who couldn't point to the country on a map. There are things we need to do in this country. I am pretty sure this was not a fabricated quote, though:

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For anyone to even consider war with Russia should have their head examined. Even Mccain doesn't support military action against Russia. I guess this is the TEA-O-CON queen's example of going rogue
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I don't really care what other people would criticize her for. If she had said, correctly, that invading Russia because of a tussle over South Ossetia would be stupid, I would agree with her.

There isn't anything we "need to do" with Iran, and there are plenty of people more qualified to talk about it than someone who couldn't point to the country on a map. There are things we need to do in this country. I am pretty sure this was not a fabricated quote, though:
So then why sign a treaty. She was put in a no win situation. Because if she says well we are not going to go to war over some "tussle" in South Ossetia, then she would get slammed by the left and the right. They would call her ill informed on international events and history, lots of little tussles started really big ones. Plus others would pull the she is a women and not strong enough to lead the most powerful nation in the world. Plus there would be the scholars that say "That is why you sign those treaties." She answered it correctly.

The second part, I am not saying she did not say it, 9954 or one track record (you choose) wants to emphasize the wrong part: "Say he decided to declare war on Iran or decided really to come out and do whatever he could to support Israel, which I would like him to do," Palin told Fox News' Chris Wallace Sunday. "That changes the dynamics in what we can assume is going to happen between now and three years." That really changes the meaning. She did not say she wants to go to war, she wants the President to do everything he can and should do, and stand side by side with Israel.
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So then why sign a treaty. She was put in a no win situation. Because if she says well we are not going to go to war over some "tussle" in South Ossetia, then she would get slammed by the left and the right. They would call her ill informed on international events and history, lots of little tussles started really big ones. Plus others would pull the she is a women and not strong enough to lead the most powerful nation in the world. Plus there would be the scholars that say "That is why you sign those treaties." She answered it correctly.

The second part, I am not saying she did not say it, 9954 or one track record (you choose) wants to emphasize the wrong part: "Say he decided to declare war on Iran or decided really to come out and do whatever he could to support Israel, which I would like him to do," Palin told Fox News' Chris Wallace Sunday. "That changes the dynamics in what we can assume is going to happen between now and three years." That really changes the meaning. She did not say she wants to go to war, she wants the President to do everything he can and should do, and stand side by side with Israel.
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She's saying that in order for Obama to get re-elected he has to toughen up and all do all he can to secure our nation. And what she considers securing our nation is war with Iran. You guys are blind. Why would she even talk about what Obama has to do to get elected again and war with Iran? It's totally and 100% obvious what she's saying here.

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Stop defending this broad with spin. She said it. She's a TEA-O-CON that will only bring us more war, less liberty, and more debt. The TEA-O-CONS are a fake opposition that offer nothing new but the status quo. In fact the TEA-O-CONS are actually more scarier. As crazy as Bush was he never attacked Iran. Or even talked about war with Russia. The sad reality is that the american people have no choice at all when it comes to war and foreign policy.
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If he decided to toughen up and do all he can to secure our nation and our allies, I think people would perhaps shift their thinking a little bit and decide....'Well maybe he's tougher than he is today, and there wouldn't be as much passion to make sure that he doesn't serve another term."
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Say Obama played, and I got this from Buchanan, reading one of his columns the other day, Say he played the war card. Say he decided to declare war on Iran things would dramatically change if he decided to toughen up and do all he can to secure our nation

Securing our nation = War with Iran.

If the Tea parties are suppose to represent a break from the big spending of both parties. Palin's foreign policy views alone negate the entire tea party message.


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9954, you talk about spin. You see and hear what you want to hear. The funny thing is you are gobbling it up with a big spoon, just like the rest of the people being fed it by the MSM. You certainly do not waver on your feelings, and that is admirable, but to call everyone else out on spin, that is comical
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9954, you talk about spin. You see and hear what you want to hear. The funny thing is you are gobbling it up with a big spoon, just like the rest of the people being fed it by the MSM. You certainly do not waver on your feelings, and that is admirable, but to call everyone else out on spin, that is comical

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No spin about it. She's saying that if Obama got "tougher" meaning war with Iran. Then people would re-elect him. In fact she even said he will lose in 2012 unless he plays the war card. How can anyone see this any other way?
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No spin about it. She's saying that if Obama got "tougher" meaning war with Iran. Then people would re-elect him. In fact she even said he will lose in 2012 unless he plays the war card. How can anyone see this any other way?
You are not going to see it any other way, which is fine. If you read my previous post, I think she is saying that the President needs to support Israel (no matter what) and be tough with Iran. You and the MSM believe she is advocating war with Iran. Out of curiosity, how often do your beliefs and the MSM fall inline? I doubt very often. Why would they now? Because it is Sarah Palin.
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No spin about it. She's saying that if Obama got "tougher" meaning war with Iran. Then people would re-elect him. In fact she even said he will lose in 2012 unless he plays the war card. How can anyone see this any other way?
That is your interpretation, funny it is CNN's as well.
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You are not going to see it any other way, which is fine. If you read my previous post, I think she is saying that the President needs to support Israel (no matter what) and be tough with Iran. You and the MSM believe she is advocating war with Iran. Out of curiosity, how often do your beliefs and the MSM fall inline? I doubt very often. Why would they now? Because it is Sarah Palin.

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She set war with Iran as the example of being tough. Why do you ignore that?
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She set war with Iran as the example of being tough. Why do you ignore that?
You just said it yourself dude....it was an example...not an indication of her political convictions.
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