Questions about Bush's Guard service unanswered

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...-service_x.htm

[Section126]

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[DolFan31]

Originally Posted by Section126

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What a way to avoid debating the issue.

[Section126]

Originally Posted by DolFan31

What a way to avoid debating the issue.

[ohall]

Originally Posted by DolFan31

What a way to avoid debating the issue.

There is no issue. Anyone that understands how the NG works understands this is not an uncommon thing.

I have to hand it to you guys. You sure throw a lot of sh!t out there. Some of it has to stick, it's a good sound way to handle politics. LoL

[DolFan31]

I get it now, you guys dont debate something you have no argument on. Wow.

[finataxia24]

Originally Posted by DolFan31

I get it now, you guys dont debate something you have no argument on. Wow.

I am beginning to see that is crystal clear around here.
Every person that runs for office deserves criticism, to be questioned
no one should follow anyone blindly.



To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt

[ohall]

Originally Posted by DolFan31

I get it now, you guys dont debate something you have no argument on. Wow.

Umm, no. Just some of the things brought up have been settled and looked into and nothing of substance was found. Keep rehashing issues that have already been settled if you don't want to have anything to debate about. It doesn't seem that complicated to me. Then again you actually try and rehash the whole flip flopping fact about Kerry.

[DolFan31]

Originally Posted by ohall

Umm, no. Just some of the things brought up have been settled and looked into and nothing of substance was found. Keep rehashing issues that have already been settled if you don't want to have anything to debate about. It doesn't seem that complicated to me. Then again you actually try and rehash the whole flip flopping fact about Kerry.

Only because someone else rehashs it and i dont see it as a valid argument you Bush supporters can make about Kerry, since all politicians do it, even your savior, Bush. Admit it, they all flip-flop, one way or another.

[ohall]

Originally Posted by DolFan31

Only because someone else rehashs it and i dont see it as a valid argument you Bush supporters can make about Kerry, since all politicians do it, even your savior, Bush. Admit it, they all flip-flop, one way or another.

Again no. No other politician would be such an idiot as to say I voted for the war before I voted against it. What you constantly fail to see is there has never been a major politician as stupid as Kerry when it comes to how obvious he is with his flip flops. You can try and spin it all you want to. Kerry is known as a flip flopper by his own political party and even the DEM's know Bush has a backbone and does what his conscience tells him to do even when it hurts him politically.

Bush is not my savior, that kind of small minded thinking is why Bush continues to dominate the DEM party.

[DolFan31]

Originally Posted by ohall

Again no. No other politician would be such an idiot as to say I voted for the war before I voted against it. What you constantly fail to see is there has never been a major politician as stupid as Kerry when it comes to how obvious he is with his flip flops. You can try and spin it all you want to. Kerry is known as a flip flopper by his own political party and even the DEM's know Bush has a backbone and does what his conscience tells him to do even when it hurts him politically.

Bush is not my savior, that kind of small minded thinking is why Bush continues to dominate the DEM party.

When you constantly support Bush no matter what, thats what makes me think that way. You're following the man blindly in my eyes. No I do not support Kerry all the way, he is not the best DEM to compete with Bush, but Im going with what I got. Some of your arguments againt Kerry really bother me, mainly the flip-flopping and vietnam issues. Those two things are really dumb arguments. It shows that Bush is the one who has nothing to run on, and all he can do is call Kerry something that all politicians are. Spin all you want, all politicians lie and flip-flop. Thats how they get voted. Unless theyre hard-liners. Maybe thats the only exception. How many times must I point out that Bush is a flip-flopper himself? When will you realize that after the 2002 midterms, he and his administration went far-right, away from the moderate stance they took when he took office. When the Repugs won Congress, they took it as their moment, dont you see? They feel it was "their due". Thats why Bush pushed for PBA, Gay Marriage Ban, more Tax Cuts, War in Iraq, all kinds of things. Whos going to stop him? They have the White House, Congress and the Supreme Court. Your party is on a power trip. See for yourself. If Bush wins the 2004 election, the Repubs keep both houses of Congress, we're going to be in for one hell of a ride my friend. Of course thats what you want to happen. You'll be sorry. I hate to be the one who told you this, and hate to say I didnt warn you. Go ahead, vote Bush. You'll see what happens.

[ohall]

Originally Posted by DolFan31

When you constantly support Bush no matter what, thats what makes me think that way. You're following the man blindly in my eyes. No I do not support Kerry all the way, he is not the best DEM to compete with Bush, but Im going with what I got. Some of your arguments againt Kerry really bother me, mainly the flip-flopping and vietnam issues. Those two things are really dumb arguments. It shows that Bush is the one who has nothing to run on, and all he can do is call Kerry something that all politicians are. Spin all you want, all politicians lie and flip-flop. Thats how they get voted. Unless theyre hard-liners. Maybe thats the only exception. How many times must I point out that Bush is a flip-flopper himself? When will you realize that after the 2002 midterms, he and his administration went far-right, away from the moderate stance they took when he took office. When the Repugs won Congress, they took it as their moment, dont you see? They feel it was "their due". Thats why Bush pushed for PBA, Gay Marriage Ban, more Tax Cuts, War in Iraq, all kinds of things. Whos going to stop him? They have the White House, Congress and the Supreme Court. Your party is on a power trip. See for yourself. If Bush wins the 2004 election, the Repubs keep both houses of Congress, we're going to be in for one hell of a ride my friend. Of course thats what you want to happen. You'll be sorry. I hate to be the one who told you this, and hate to say I didnt warn you. Go ahead, vote Bush. You'll see what happens.

Of course I support Bush. I believe in God, and I know he will not destroy the fabric of this nation. He will not try and remove religion from this country like the DEM's try to do on a daily basis. I believe in keeping more of my $ because I know BEST how to spend the $ I work for. I believe if someone has a problem, they are the ones who are best suited to resolve those problems. I do not believe the government should run everything, because I feel most Federal employees are lazy and only care about themselves because they cannot be fired these day no matter how lazy and incompitent they are. I believe in a strong military and paying our military top dollar, not down sizing and putting them on walfare like Clinton did. These are some of the main reasons I will always vote for a REP if I decide to vote. I cannot vote with good conscience for any DEM's because of this. Their core values do not match mine. This has very little to do with the man named George W. Bush. This has everything to do with being anti-DEM values.

[finataxia24]

[quote=ohall] I believe in God QUOTE]

I do too
but I also agree with Ron Reagan

"Dad was also a deeply, unabashedly religious man," Ron Reagan told mourners. "But he never made the fatal mistake of so many politicians -- wearing his faith on his sleeve to gain political advantage."

[DolFan31]

Originally Posted by ohall

Of course I support Bush. I believe in God, and I know he will not destroy the fabric of this nation. He will not try and remove religion from this country like the DEM's try to do on a daily basis. I believe in keeping more of my $ because I know BEST how to spend the $ I work for. I believe if someone has a problem, they are the ones who are best suited to resolve those problems. I do not believe the government should run everything, because I feel most Federal employees are lazy and only care about themselves because they cannot be fired these day no matter how lazy and incompitent they are. I believe in a strong military and paying our military top dollar, not down sizing and putting them on walfare like Clinton did. These are some of the main reasons I will always vote for a REP if I decide to vote. I cannot vote with good conscience for any DEM's because of this. Their core values do not match mine. This has very little to do with the man named George W. Bush. This has everything to do with being anti-DEM values.

Look man, I do agree with you about some of this, by how are you supporting the REPS with these values when your own party has abandoned them?

"I believe if someone has a problem, they are the ones who are best suited to resolve those problems. I do not believe the government should run everything, because I feel most Federal employees are lazy and only care about themselves because they cannot be fired these day no matter how lazy and incompitent they are."

I feel the same way, except I think that if people need help or they cant solve the problem themselves, then they should seek the assistance of the government, but voluntarily. I do support downsizing government, but your own party expanded it, and Clinton, downsized it.

"I believe in a strong military and paying our military top dollar, not down sizing and putting them on walfare like Clinton did."

I think we have problems if we overfund our military, because that cuts out money that goes to the states. I dont think we should serious cut military funding, but id support a 5-10% reduction. Its called pork-spending. It hurts our budget and the economy.

"He will not try and remove religion from this country like the DEM's try to do on a daily basis."

What have they done to remove religion from this country other than going by the constitution?

"I believe in keeping more of my $ because I know BEST how to spend the $ I work for."

Agree, who isnt for lower taxes? But how can you cut taxes and fight two wars? How can you cut taxes, and watch states go bankrupt? How can you cut taxes, that mostly go to people who already have money, and who wind up saving that money? Why not cut taxes for those who cant afford most of the taxes, who need that money, who will spend it because they need to, resulting in even more money for those at the top who own businesses and will hire more people because those at the bottom are the ones who buy more of their products, since more products are made for people who can afford them(luxury items arent made in mass quantities)? Its call all-boats-lift-up. It worked under Clinton. Trickle-down doesnt work. It only temporairly spikes up the economy, like it did recently, then the economy goes back into a bear state. Why do you think Bush wants to them permanent? Do you even think thats wise, considering how much revenue would be lost?

Think about these things, then get back to me. I dont want to be bashed, just be calm about it.

[ohall]

[quote=finataxia24]

Originally Posted by ohall

I believe in God QUOTE]

I do too
but I also agree with Ron Reagan

"Dad was also a deeply, unabashedly religious man," Ron Reagan told mourners. "But he never made the fatal mistake of so many politicians -- wearing his faith on his sleeve to gain political advantage."

Bush doesn't do that. Some ppl try and make it seem like he does, but he doesn't. This is just the paranoid left wingers showing their azz. They went after Reagan just as hard with the religious stuff when he was in office. The left always tries to paint all REP Presidents as relgious fanatics. This is nothing new.

Just as the right tries to paint all DEM Presidents as ppl who hate religion. Usually that is not at all accurate.