Refresh my memory, I know impersonating a cop is illegal...

PhinPhan1227 · 08-06-2004, 01:55 AM

...and I thought impersonating a soldier was illegal as well...anyone know off the top of their heads?

DolFan31 · 08-06-2004, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by PhinPhan1227

...and I thought impersonating a soldier was illegal as well...anyone know off the top of their heads?

What relevance is this or are you just FYI-ing?

DolFan31 · 08-06-2004, 02:00 AM

..because I was expecting a picture of John Kerry dressed up as a cop.

PhinPhan1227 · 08-06-2004, 02:02 AM

The relevence is that a poster on this board has repeatedly claimed to have served in the military and has repeatedly failed to back that claim up with ANY information. If I remember correctly there is an organization which you can report false military claims to. I'm just considering reporting that posters user IP to that organization.

Clumpy · 08-06-2004, 02:25 AM

P4E · 08-06-2004, 03:31 AM

Falsely claiming military credentials is a HUGE phenomenon. The scope and psychological dynamics of it are like a field of study unto themselves.

I've read stories about families reaching out to the Veterans Administration to request benefit stuff because their husband/father/brother/whatever was a decorated soldier and needs help now... and the gov't has to inform them that the guy never served.

I've seen people elected and reelected to office year in and year out in part on the strength of their military credentials... and then someone actually investigates it.

I think exaggeration is far more common than wholesale invention of a military past, but each seems to happen constantly.

I think that in many cases, a person who didn't contribute jack-**** when others gave everything carries a form of guilt that makes them want to be able to say they did something. So they make **** up.

My own dad was a Marine and he's buried in Arlington. I loved the guy, but I know that large parts of what he wanted people to believe about his service -- and led them to believe about his service -- were utterly inflated.

I really think his problem was guilt. He signed up early at 17 while WWII was wrapping up and he never saw combat. Older brothers and other peers saw lots of action and some died. He wasn't involved in anything. (His eligibility for Arlington was based on a minimal disability due to non-combat injuries.)

I served as a volunteer fireman, myself.

MDFINFAN · 08-10-2004, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by PhinPhan1227

The relevence is that a poster on this board has repeatedly claimed to have served in the military and has repeatedly failed to back that claim up with ANY information. If I remember correctly there is an organization which you can report false military claims to. I'm just considering reporting that posters user IP to that organization.

If you're talking about me, please do, I also want a public apology on this board from you when you find out I did everything I claimed. I invite you to report me..The truth will set you free. Serving in the Military for me was honorable and I enjoyed my time. It's something I'd never claim if I didn't do it. It wouldn't serve no purpose to claim it if I didn't do it. To help you out, graduated in 1980, went through FA OBC in 1981 at Fort Sill, started Jan 11th of that year, upon graduation went to Neu Ulm, Germany, assigned to 2/33rd FA, later to become 4/5FA, started as a Fist Chief, later XO of HQ battery, returned to the states to OK, to attend OAC, started Mar of 84, afterwards assigned to the Gunnery Dept as a instructor, then went to the Weapons Department as a instructor, then assigned to Weapon's division of the Weapons department a evaluator, then was assigned to 3/9 FA in the S-3 office, to await command, became a Battery Commander for A battery 3/9FA, served there from 87-89, then went to CAS3 at Levenworth, from there went to the MAM's course in Peterburg, VA, now working in secondary- Research and Developement, then assigned to OPTEC, Operational Test and Evaluation Command in Alexandria, Va, after my 3 years there, I got out of the Mililitary in 92 and have been here ever since. That should make it easy for them to track me wouldn't you say?

PhinPhan1227 · 08-10-2004, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MDFINFAN

If you're talking about me, please do, I also want a public apology on this board from you when you find out I did everything I claimed. I invite you to report me..The truth will set you free. Serving in the Military for me was honorable and I enjoyed my time. It's something I'd never claim if I didn't do it. It wouldn't serve no purpose to claim it if I didn't do it. To help you out, graduated in 1980, went through FA OBC in 1981 at Fort Sill, started Jan 11th of that year, upon graduation went to Neu Ulm, Germany, assigned to 2/33rd FA, later to become 4/5FA, started as a Fist Chief, later XO of HQ battery, returned to the states to OK, to attend OAC, started Mar of 84, afterwards assigned to the Gunnery Dept as a instructor, then went to the Weapons Department as a instructor, then assigned to Weapon's division of the Weapons department a evaluator, then was assigned to 3/9 FA in the S-3 office, to await command, became a Battery Commander for A battery 3/9FA, served there from 87-89, then went to CAS3 at Levenworth, from there went to the MAM's course in Peterburg, VA, now working in secondary- Research and Developement, then assigned to OPTEC, Operational Test and Evaluation Command in Alexandria, Va, after my 3 years there, I got out of the Mililitary in 92 and have been here ever since. That should make it easy for them to track me wouldn't you say?

Actually, no, not without a name, and I wouldn't ask you to reveal that online. Bottom line, and I'll say this ONCE again, I just don't buy that you were an officer. That's my opinion and nothing I have seen so far has altered that opinion. As for "It wouldn't serve no purpose"(you're killing me as you butcher the english language), it lends credence to arguments for which you have presented nothing of substance.

Clumpy · 08-10-2004, 03:02 AM

I believe you owe him an apology

:patriot:

PhinPhan1227 · 08-10-2004, 03:17 AM

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I believe you owe him an apology

:patriot:

I believe I don't owe him ****e. I could declare that I was a Navy Seal and with roughly 45 minutes of Internet research I could give you book and verse about a fictional career. I stand behind my disbelief of his story because of his ability, or lack of same, to communicate. I dealt with Officers in the service for 7 years. Afterwards, as a headhunter I've dealt with dozens of former officers for the last 8 years. In that time, I haven't dealt with a single one who had such a poor grasp of diction and syntax. Do you have any idea of the sheer volume of paperwork that an officer in the military has to deal with? Even a field officer deals with report after report. No organization in the world generates as much paperwork as the US military. And yes, grammer counts. Christ, as a Sgt I had AAR's handed back to me to be rewritten. As a Captain, this guy would have been beaten to death by any of his XO's if he churned out crap like this. And I'm sorry but it isn't laziness. After the years he said he put in it becomes a habit. Maybe he served. I wouldn't be surprised if he served at Sill, or grew up there. But I don't buy his whole story. And I don't expect him to provide the personal data that would verify his story.

Section126 · 08-10-2004, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by PhinPhan1227

I believe I don't owe him ****e. I could declare that I was a Navy Seal and with roughly 45 minutes of Internet research I could give you book and verse about a fictional career. I stand behind my disbelief of his story because of his ability, or lack of same, to communicate. I dealt with Officers in the service for 7 years. Afterwards, as a headhunter I've dealt with dozens of former officers for the last 8 years. In that time, I haven't dealt with a single one who had such a poor grasp of diction and syntax. Do you have any idea of the sheer volume of paperwork that an officer in the military has to deal with? Even a field officer deals with report after report. No organization in the world generates as much paperwork as the US military. And yes, grammer counts. Christ, as a Sgt I had AAR's handed back to me to be rewritten. As a Captain, this guy would have been beaten to death by any of his XO's if he churned out crap like this. And I'm sorry but it isn't laziness. After the years he said he put in it becomes a habit. Maybe he served. I wouldn't be surprised if he served at Sill, or grew up there. But I don't buy his whole story. And I don't expect him to provide the personal data that would verify his story.

Really? I was FDR's main man in Berlin...I was the guy that assasinated Hitler...Yep...I did......Him shooting himself was a cover story......I was in Black Ops and was the man responsible for placing a charge on the USS. Tonkin........I can tell you the inside scoop on Aliens and who killed JFK as well as the Yeti I captured in Atlanta but I am not at liberty to discuss those things.......

My Name? I can't reveal that......My Unit? It's secret.......Go ahead...investigate me.........I DARE YOU!!!!!!! :roflmao:

MDFINFAN · 08-10-2004, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PhinPhan1227

Actually, no, not without a name, and I wouldn't ask you to reveal that online. Bottom line, and I'll say this ONCE again, I just don't buy that you were an officer. That's my opinion and nothing I have seen so far has altered that opinion. As for "It wouldn't serve no purpose"(you're killing me as you butcher the english language), it lends credence to arguments for which you have presented nothing of substance.

George Bush butchers the English language and you want to keep him as president. I believe while writing is a noble and helpful tool, it's not the only tool in the Military for Officers. Common Sense helps a lot, and at that I excelled. Too bad you don't really know what it's about. And as a human, you're being very petty, but what more can I expect from someone who have no clue. Blind to the facts, even if the truth was put at your nose, you'd miss it. If I were talking to something of substance, maybe I'd produce substance, it's hard to give factual statements and opinions to a nut case. Anyway if it makes you feel better to think I didn't serve and that allows you to stay in your Bush fantasy world, so be it. I just hope we don't all sink with you in your blindness if he remains president. After saying all that, I'm not mad at you, I didn't take care of my writing here, didn't think it was necessary, but it's the only thing you can use to say my opinions aren't true. That at least let's me know I made an impression on you with my statements. Now if you weren't so stubborn, you may actually learn something, but I know, my being a Officer, a non writing one at that, really irks the enlisted. (Not all enlisted, just the jerks)

MDFINFAN · 08-10-2004, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PhinPhan1227

I believe I don't owe him ****e. I could declare that I was a Navy Seal and with roughly 45 minutes of Internet research I could give you book and verse about a fictional career. I stand behind my disbelief of his story because of his ability, or lack of same, to communicate. I dealt with Officers in the service for 7 years. Afterwards, as a headhunter I've dealt with dozens of former officers for the last 8 years. In that time, I haven't dealt with a single one who had such a poor grasp of diction and syntax. Do you have any idea of the sheer volume of paperwork that an officer in the military has to deal with? Even a field officer deals with report after report. No organization in the world generates as much paperwork as the US military. And yes, grammer counts. Christ, as a Sgt I had AAR's handed back to me to be rewritten. As a Captain, this guy would have been beaten to death by any of his XO's if he churned out crap like this. And I'm sorry but it isn't laziness. After the years he said he put in it becomes a habit. Maybe he served. I wouldn't be surprised if he served at Sill, or grew up there. But I don't buy his whole story. And I don't expect him to provide the personal data that would verify his story.

No, writing doesn't become a habit in the Army, what do you think we do for a living, the only time you write is evaluations, after-action reports, and op orders and most of those are canned. And yes there were times I had evaluation handed back to me to rewrite. As I've stated, I wasn't a great writer, but to question my whole military career over it is a first for me. I'm not sure if I'm handling this correctly, but that was a lot of my life until I got out. I'm trying to be nice about this. If you would remember, they dummied down the Military writing style years ago to help soldiers learn quicker, remember all the pictures in books to illustrate how to do something. The Army uses a 6 grade writing level to ensure everyone can comprehend. So you're being very disingenuous to suggest the ideas you're imposing on me. I also say I agree, the Army didn't help with my writing, I actually got worst from college to the military, because as you know, the military has it's own writing style. Are you sure you served in the military? The rest of the time we're managing the troops, the training and physical training. Being in the field, especially FA, you send a lot of time in the field training for war, not much writing involved. Most of the writing I did actually came in the research and development field at the end. I must admit I hated the amount of writing involved, but it had to be done. Writing does not make an Officer, his ability to lead, common sense, to be creative when he doesn't have all the assets he needs, his ability to motivate troops and come up with sound plans to accomplish the mission, this is what a Officer is. Based on your assessment, you must have had some dudes for officers, and yes there are plenty of them out there. There is one member on this board who knows of my career and that's bamaphin22, he knows all about me. You can catch him on the main boards; ask him about me in terms of Military service. Then apologize. I would to you if I'd questioned you as much as you've questioned me. I wish you would question this administration as much, then I could consider you a real independent.

BTW, I'd be willing to PM you my name if you really want to investigate me, I have nothing to hide, unlike this President

PhinPhan1227 · 08-10-2004, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MDFINFAN

George Bush butchers the English language and you want to keep him as president. I believe while writing is a noble and helpful tool, it's not the only tool in the Military for Officers. Common Sense helps a lot, and at that I excelled. Too bad you don't really know what it's about. And as a human, you're being very petty, but what more can I expect from someone who have no clue. Blind to the facts, even if the truth was put at your nose, you'd miss it. If I were talking to something of substance, maybe I'd produce substance, it's hard to give factual statements and opinions to a nut case. Anyway if it makes you feel better to think I didn't serve and that allows you to stay in your Bush fantasy world, so be it. I just hope we don't all sink with you in your blindness if he remains president. After saying all that, I'm not mad at you, I didn't take care of my writing here, didn't think it was necessary, but it's the only thing you can use to say my opinions aren't true. That at least let's me know I made an impression on you with my statements. Now if you weren't so stubborn, you may actually learn something, but I know, my being a Officer, a non writing one at that, really irks the enlisted. (Not all enlisted, just the jerks)

Actually I haven't knocked a single one of your opinons. I have attacked some incorrect facts you have put out and I have questioned and doubted the back story you have presented. Nothing petty about it, you just don't gibe with my experience. Neither your mannerisms, communications skills, or attitude equate with other officers I have dealt with. And I've worked with everything from former LT's to the former CIC Air Ops Europe. As for my being someone who "have no clue", why don't we start over? You address my opinions and facts and I will address yours. I'll refrain from referencing any secret communications from Agent Fox Mulder, and you can refrain from referencing operations which you can't talk about and which had no bearing on the converstation. BTW, have you found your old unit yet?

MDFINFAN · 08-10-2004, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PhinPhan1227

Actually I haven't knocked a single one of your opinons. I have attacked some incorrect facts you have put out and I have questioned and doubted the back story you have presented. Nothing petty about it, you just don't gibe with my experience. Neither your mannerisms, communications skills, or attitude equate with other officers I have dealt with. And I've worked with everything from former LT's to the former CIC Air Ops Europe. As for my being someone who "have no clue", why don't we start over? You address my opinions and facts and I will address yours. I'll refrain from referencing any secret communications from Agent Fox Mulder, and you can refrain from referencing operations which you can't talk about and which had no bearing on the converstation. BTW, have you found your old unit yet?

But phinfan1227, look how limited your experience is. Have you even come close to seeing how we procure weapons? Been overseas on duty or traveled in our weapons programs? Itâ€™s a time consuming process and the training that's involved is incredible. Bottom line is I did one thing in the military, you did anther, I can't talk to you about mountain infantry tactics, I've never experienced it. The reason we have difference MOS are for people to master those skill sets. We all can't be Rangers, Special forces, and definitely can't speak to their training and experiences. You don't even know me, so you know nothing of my mannerisms, or attitude about anything, the one point that you should note is after being insulted by you and ridiculed by you, I still, with some degree of dignity continue to debate you. What back story? I'm not sure about that. I can't refrain from using things I saw as a bases for some things I write, it a fact for me, I'm sorry I can't share them with you in a more real way. So whether you want to or not, you'll have to trust me, if y

08-06-2004, 02:00 AM	#3
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08-06-2004, 02:02 AM	#4
PhinPhan1227 No need to fear...Underdog is here!! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: No matter where I go, there I am. Age: 39 Posts: 13,998 Thanks: 28 Thanked 109 Times in 69 Posts FH Badges Total Awards: 1	The relevence is that a poster on this board has repeatedly claimed to have served in the military and has repeatedly failed to back that claim up with ANY information. If I remember correctly there is an organization which you can report false military claims to. I'm just considering reporting that posters user IP to that organization.

08-06-2004, 02:25 AM	#5
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08-06-2004, 03:31 AM	#6
P4E Cogito, Ergo FinFanum Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: With the Cheerleaders in the Premie Forum Posts: 4,076 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post FH Badges Total Awards: 1	Falsely claiming military credentials is a HUGE phenomenon. The scope and psychological dynamics of it are like a field of study unto themselves. I've read stories about families reaching out to the Veterans Administration to request benefit stuff because their husband/father/brother/whatever was a decorated soldier and needs help now... and the gov't has to inform them that the guy never served. I've seen people elected and reelected to office year in and year out in part on the strength of their military credentials... and then someone actually investigates it. I think exaggeration is far more common than wholesale invention of a military past, but each seems to happen constantly. I think that in many cases, a person who didn't contribute jack-** when others gave everything carries a form of guilt that makes them want to be able to say they did something. So they make ** up. My own dad was a Marine and he's buried in Arlington. I loved the guy, but I know that large parts of what he wanted people to believe about his service -- and led them to believe about his service -- were utterly inflated. I really think his problem was guilt. He signed up early at 17 while WWII was wrapping up and he never saw combat. Older brothers and other peers saw lots of action and some died. He wasn't involved in anything. (His eligibility for Arlington was based on a minimal disability due to non-combat injuries.) I served as a volunteer fireman, myself.

08-10-2004, 03:02 AM	#9
Clumpy is Clumpalicious!! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Clumptowaga Age: 43 Posts: 8,897 Thanks: 95 Thanked 110 Times in 29 Posts	I believe you owe him an apology :patriot: